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JewishGen Sale Extended! #general

Sandra and Donald Hirschhorn <dshirschhorn@...>
 

In order to assist the many people needing additional time to take
advantage of the JewishGen Mall-wide 10% off sale, we have extended the
sale period to Midnight, Houston time, August 31st.

Now, those of you just returning >from the Toronto Conference have a few
extra days to check out the JewishGen Mall and place your orders at the
extra discount price while giving much needed support to JewishGen.

Please also note our new URL for the improved, more attractive Mall.
It is: http://www.jewishgenmall.org Ordering has been simplified and we
are sure you will find the whole process easier.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JewishGen Sale Extended! #general

Sandra and Donald Hirschhorn <dshirschhorn@...>
 

In order to assist the many people needing additional time to take
advantage of the JewishGen Mall-wide 10% off sale, we have extended the
sale period to Midnight, Houston time, August 31st.

Now, those of you just returning >from the Toronto Conference have a few
extra days to check out the JewishGen Mall and place your orders at the
extra discount price while giving much needed support to JewishGen.

Please also note our new URL for the improved, more attractive Mall.
It is: http://www.jewishgenmall.org Ordering has been simplified and we
are sure you will find the whole process easier.


1828 census project -- help with deciphering handwriting #hungary

d pfalzer <d_pfalzer@...>
 

Hi all,

When I was viewing the 1828 census microfilm today, I
repeatedly came across a letter which I couldn't
figure out what it was.

It was the first letter in the name.
Maybe a C, maybe a P, maybe a B, maybe a G.

What it looked most like was a C with inward curling
ends and with a vertical line going through the center
of it.

The flaw I kept having with each of my interpretations
was that I saw other letters on the page (formed
differently) which were clearly the letters I was
guessing this one was.

One more thing, this letter was clearly a consonant
because in at least one instance it was followed by a
double oo.

Maybe the context would be useful.
These are the names I saw this letter in (the * takes
the place of the unidentified letter):
*ick/*uk, *ih, *osch, *oslieb, *ik, *ibler.

Denise

Moderator: Based on your description and a cheat sheet I use to decipher handwriting in old German style, the letter may be an uppercase E. Probably would be a good idea to scan some samples and submit to Viemate or send to Eric Bloch, coordinator for the 1828 Census project.


Hungary SIG #Hungary 1828 census project -- help with deciphering handwriting #hungary

d pfalzer <d_pfalzer@...>
 

Hi all,

When I was viewing the 1828 census microfilm today, I
repeatedly came across a letter which I couldn't
figure out what it was.

It was the first letter in the name.
Maybe a C, maybe a P, maybe a B, maybe a G.

What it looked most like was a C with inward curling
ends and with a vertical line going through the center
of it.

The flaw I kept having with each of my interpretations
was that I saw other letters on the page (formed
differently) which were clearly the letters I was
guessing this one was.

One more thing, this letter was clearly a consonant
because in at least one instance it was followed by a
double oo.

Maybe the context would be useful.
These are the names I saw this letter in (the * takes
the place of the unidentified letter):
*ick/*uk, *ih, *osch, *oslieb, *ik, *ibler.

Denise

Moderator: Based on your description and a cheat sheet I use to decipher handwriting in old German style, the letter may be an uppercase E. Probably would be a good idea to scan some samples and submit to Viemate or send to Eric Bloch, coordinator for the 1828 Census project.


SINGER & HAANTMAN #general

Marlene Bishow <mlbishow@...>
 

Fellow Researchers:

I am trying to follow a thread concerning my mggm, Guta (Gussie)SINGER
HANTMAN and I am lost as to where to begin. This is what I know.

Guta was born in about 1856 to Meir SINGER and Sarah BERGER. Family lore
says that Meir SINGER was a baker in Grodno or therabouts. They had at
least one other child, Jennie, born about 1859. Guta married Vulf Hantman
(Gantman) >from Smilovichi in about 1875-80 and they had 7 children: Mae,
Annie & Sam (twins), Sarah, Israel (aka Jessie, b. (1888), Al, (1889), and
Evno (aka Jacob, George and Jack, b. 1894). My mgf was Jack (Evno) and he
told me that they came to the US (NYC) as a family when he was 2 - about
1896. The settled on the Lower East Side. In about 1910, they moved to
Norwich, CT (near Colchester Road), where they operated a farm and boarded
visitors >from NYC. All of the children married and my gf and his brother Al
changed their last names to HARTMAN. Al and Jesse married sisters, Rose and
Rebecca Cohen.

I would like to try to find the information regarding the date and ship
that they came on. I have my grandfather's naturalization papers and his
application is blank in the area regarding this point. I also have his
birth certificate that confirms his date of birth as being in December,
1894. He was born in Sverzhen' (then Mogilev gubernia).

I would also like to try to find out anything that I can regarding the
SINGER family >from Grodno(?), but I am at a dead end. Any suggestions?

By the way, Jennie SINGER married Aaron SCHITMAN and they lived on Madison
Avenue in Hartford, CT. Jennie's granddaugher, Estelle COHEN and my mother
Estelle KATZ, both told stories of what wonderful bread Guta baked, despite
the fact that in her later years she was blind and my ggf would have to
hand her the ingredients. They said that the family said that she had a
gift for baking that ran in the family. Guta died in May, 1936, while
visiting in CT. Six months later my ggf died - the family says that he
died of a broken heart.

Any ideas for how I can pursue this?

Marlene Bishow
Potomac, MD USA
mlbishow@...
HANTMAN/GANTMAN: Smilovichi, Sverhen', Belarus
HANTMAN/HARTMAN: Norwich, CT, NYC
KATZ: Zhuravno (Galicia), Ukraine, NYC
DEUTSCHER & NUSSBAUM: Rozniatow (Galicia), Ukraine, NYC
YARMISH, PETT: I'vya & Wolpa, Belarus
GOLDSTEIN: Newtown,CT, NYC


1901 Census at the FRC in Islington, London #general

robert.gleek <robert.gleek@...>
 

Dear UK Genners,
It has been kept quiet, but I thought you might like to know
the 1901 census is up & running at Islington and Kew.
However, there is some bad news I'm afraid...
During my visit I was told by the authorities that it is to be
taken off-line again at the close of business this Friday.
That allows us two days of research...
Happy searching!
Daniel Gleek in London.


Re: Searching for Hoffman-Swinburn Records #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

My baby sister got sick aboard ship and the manifest lists her and my
mother as in hospital. There was a children's hospital on Ellis Island, I
saw photos when I visited there. She died shortly thereafter, in a New York
hospital (so my parents and sister must have been allowed to leave Ellis
Island, but the manifest with the information was torn and the microfilm
does not give further information) She was buried by the local Hesed shel
Emet, that is the Free Burial Society. If your sister was Jewish, she may
also have been buried by the Hesed shel Emet.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

<< Hello Genners,
After more than a year of searching in vain for Ellis Island records of
my grandmother and her first child, the manifest that had been
unavailable has now been opened. My grandmother, Feige Leah Abelovitz
(listed on the records as Fedge Abelovitz) and her young daughter Rochel
(aged 36 months or 3 years, six months - mistakenly listed as 36 years),
arrived at Ellis Island on the Kroonland on April 12, 1906. The mother
was admitted, but the child was listed as *Died in Hospital*. The
manifest does not indicate which hospital. I would like to find the
records for Hoffman Island and Swinburn Island, so that I can discover
more about my little aunt. I have read the Rafael Guber article, *When
Genealogists Read History, Part 2* (Ancestry Magazine, May/June 1997).
If he or anyone else who has additional info about these two islands would
contact me, perhaps I could find out where Rochel is buried, or if she was
cremated. Searches are also being made of the three cemeteries where
most of those who died in hospital were apparently buried.
Thanks in advance to all.
Toby RODNEY
apex, NC
yendor62@... >>


Re: Polish first names #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

Shoshy is short for Shoshanah and Charny is a diminuitive for Charna.
Shoshanah is Hebrew and usually translated as Rose. Charna is the Slavic
word for black. It is a fairly common woman's name.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

I have 2 female relatives born in Poland : Szosze and Czarny.
Does anyone know the right translation of those names in yiddish ?
I didn't found on JewishGen Given Names Data Bases web site.

Martine UMFLAT
mumflat@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SINGER & HAANTMAN #general

Marlene Bishow <mlbishow@...>
 

Fellow Researchers:

I am trying to follow a thread concerning my mggm, Guta (Gussie)SINGER
HANTMAN and I am lost as to where to begin. This is what I know.

Guta was born in about 1856 to Meir SINGER and Sarah BERGER. Family lore
says that Meir SINGER was a baker in Grodno or therabouts. They had at
least one other child, Jennie, born about 1859. Guta married Vulf Hantman
(Gantman) >from Smilovichi in about 1875-80 and they had 7 children: Mae,
Annie & Sam (twins), Sarah, Israel (aka Jessie, b. (1888), Al, (1889), and
Evno (aka Jacob, George and Jack, b. 1894). My mgf was Jack (Evno) and he
told me that they came to the US (NYC) as a family when he was 2 - about
1896. The settled on the Lower East Side. In about 1910, they moved to
Norwich, CT (near Colchester Road), where they operated a farm and boarded
visitors >from NYC. All of the children married and my gf and his brother Al
changed their last names to HARTMAN. Al and Jesse married sisters, Rose and
Rebecca Cohen.

I would like to try to find the information regarding the date and ship
that they came on. I have my grandfather's naturalization papers and his
application is blank in the area regarding this point. I also have his
birth certificate that confirms his date of birth as being in December,
1894. He was born in Sverzhen' (then Mogilev gubernia).

I would also like to try to find out anything that I can regarding the
SINGER family >from Grodno(?), but I am at a dead end. Any suggestions?

By the way, Jennie SINGER married Aaron SCHITMAN and they lived on Madison
Avenue in Hartford, CT. Jennie's granddaugher, Estelle COHEN and my mother
Estelle KATZ, both told stories of what wonderful bread Guta baked, despite
the fact that in her later years she was blind and my ggf would have to
hand her the ingredients. They said that the family said that she had a
gift for baking that ran in the family. Guta died in May, 1936, while
visiting in CT. Six months later my ggf died - the family says that he
died of a broken heart.

Any ideas for how I can pursue this?

Marlene Bishow
Potomac, MD USA
mlbishow@...
HANTMAN/GANTMAN: Smilovichi, Sverhen', Belarus
HANTMAN/HARTMAN: Norwich, CT, NYC
KATZ: Zhuravno (Galicia), Ukraine, NYC
DEUTSCHER & NUSSBAUM: Rozniatow (Galicia), Ukraine, NYC
YARMISH, PETT: I'vya & Wolpa, Belarus
GOLDSTEIN: Newtown,CT, NYC


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1901 Census at the FRC in Islington, London #general

robert.gleek <robert.gleek@...>
 

Dear UK Genners,
It has been kept quiet, but I thought you might like to know
the 1901 census is up & running at Islington and Kew.
However, there is some bad news I'm afraid...
During my visit I was told by the authorities that it is to be
taken off-line again at the close of business this Friday.
That allows us two days of research...
Happy searching!
Daniel Gleek in London.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Searching for Hoffman-Swinburn Records #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

My baby sister got sick aboard ship and the manifest lists her and my
mother as in hospital. There was a children's hospital on Ellis Island, I
saw photos when I visited there. She died shortly thereafter, in a New York
hospital (so my parents and sister must have been allowed to leave Ellis
Island, but the manifest with the information was torn and the microfilm
does not give further information) She was buried by the local Hesed shel
Emet, that is the Free Burial Society. If your sister was Jewish, she may
also have been buried by the Hesed shel Emet.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

<< Hello Genners,
After more than a year of searching in vain for Ellis Island records of
my grandmother and her first child, the manifest that had been
unavailable has now been opened. My grandmother, Feige Leah Abelovitz
(listed on the records as Fedge Abelovitz) and her young daughter Rochel
(aged 36 months or 3 years, six months - mistakenly listed as 36 years),
arrived at Ellis Island on the Kroonland on April 12, 1906. The mother
was admitted, but the child was listed as *Died in Hospital*. The
manifest does not indicate which hospital. I would like to find the
records for Hoffman Island and Swinburn Island, so that I can discover
more about my little aunt. I have read the Rafael Guber article, *When
Genealogists Read History, Part 2* (Ancestry Magazine, May/June 1997).
If he or anyone else who has additional info about these two islands would
contact me, perhaps I could find out where Rochel is buried, or if she was
cremated. Searches are also being made of the three cemeteries where
most of those who died in hospital were apparently buried.
Thanks in advance to all.
Toby RODNEY
apex, NC
yendor62@... >>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Polish first names #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

Shoshy is short for Shoshanah and Charny is a diminuitive for Charna.
Shoshanah is Hebrew and usually translated as Rose. Charna is the Slavic
word for black. It is a fairly common woman's name.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

I have 2 female relatives born in Poland : Szosze and Czarny.
Does anyone know the right translation of those names in yiddish ?
I didn't found on JewishGen Given Names Data Bases web site.

Martine UMFLAT
mumflat@...


town name: B. petv / B. petr ? #hungary

Tomer Brunner
 

Dear H-siggers,
I send this message for a friend who is looking
for her g-father's birth place.
It was listed in 1902 as B.Petv or B. Pehr but is
very hard to decipher. maybe its B. Petr?

Any suggestion would be appreciated!

Thanks,
Tomer Brunner, Israel





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Hungary SIG #Hungary town name: B. petv / B. petr ? #hungary

Tomer Brunner
 

Dear H-siggers,
I send this message for a friend who is looking
for her g-father's birth place.
It was listed in 1902 as B.Petv or B. Pehr but is
very hard to decipher. maybe its B. Petr?

Any suggestion would be appreciated!

Thanks,
Tomer Brunner, Israel





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More information please #unitedkingdom

Merv & Naomi Barnett
 

In a recent posting to this list, Laurence Harris wrote:

"As one approach, I searched the Hyamson Collection."

Can someone please explain what the Hyamson Collection is?


Naomi Barnett
Melbourne, Australia


Manchester UK Marriage #unitedkingdom

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

Dear Group,
I have the Marriage Certificate for my ggrandparents Isaac Goldberg, son of
Samuel Goldberg, of Russia to Celia Feldman, daughter of Moses Feldman, of
Kovno? Lithuania?Russia?. They were married 12 April 1886 . The certificate
says the marriage was solemnized at the Registers Office in the District of
Prestwich, in the County of Lancaster, and that they were "married in the
Register Office by Certificate before me," and then it's signed by the
Registrar. It also says their address was Cheetham. My question: Do you
know, is this just the registration certificate and does anyone have any
ideas where they actually may have been married. Synogogues at the time,
etc? I don't know if they met in the UK, he was a waterproof garment maker
and she is stated to be a tailoress. They were living in NYC by 1888, as my
grandmother Sadie was born October 1888.

Regards, and TIA (Thanking you in advance),
Connie Fisher Newhan
Yorba Linda, California
Searching FISHER/FISZER (POLAND), BARSKY/BARSKY (ODESSA), GOLDBERG (RUSSIA),
FELDMAN (KOVNO), SPRINGER, HAMBURGER (POLAND), ABRAMS, FRIEDSAM (GERMANY),
NEWHAN/NEUHAN (GERMANY), GERSTEN (GALACIA)


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom More information please #unitedkingdom

Merv & Naomi Barnett
 

In a recent posting to this list, Laurence Harris wrote:

"As one approach, I searched the Hyamson Collection."

Can someone please explain what the Hyamson Collection is?


Naomi Barnett
Melbourne, Australia


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Manchester UK Marriage #unitedkingdom

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

Dear Group,
I have the Marriage Certificate for my ggrandparents Isaac Goldberg, son of
Samuel Goldberg, of Russia to Celia Feldman, daughter of Moses Feldman, of
Kovno? Lithuania?Russia?. They were married 12 April 1886 . The certificate
says the marriage was solemnized at the Registers Office in the District of
Prestwich, in the County of Lancaster, and that they were "married in the
Register Office by Certificate before me," and then it's signed by the
Registrar. It also says their address was Cheetham. My question: Do you
know, is this just the registration certificate and does anyone have any
ideas where they actually may have been married. Synogogues at the time,
etc? I don't know if they met in the UK, he was a waterproof garment maker
and she is stated to be a tailoress. They were living in NYC by 1888, as my
grandmother Sadie was born October 1888.

Regards, and TIA (Thanking you in advance),
Connie Fisher Newhan
Yorba Linda, California
Searching FISHER/FISZER (POLAND), BARSKY/BARSKY (ODESSA), GOLDBERG (RUSSIA),
FELDMAN (KOVNO), SPRINGER, HAMBURGER (POLAND), ABRAMS, FRIEDSAM (GERMANY),
NEWHAN/NEUHAN (GERMANY), GERSTEN (GALACIA)


Chivago Trib, Tues., 08/20/02: Re-Discovering Forgotten Cemeteries #general

JANICE GOLDMAN <jg2333@...>
 

Dear Jewishgenners:
I read an article in the Tuesday, Chicago Tribune, 08/20/02, about an
extraordinary sixteen year old teenager who began a dedicated plight to
re-discover forgotten cemeteries with a school project. So far, this
person has identified fifty (50) cemeteries "and counting," and brings a
grass mower on each journey. Regretfully, I do not have a copy of this
article. This person may have a list of the information indicated on the
tombstones, and if so, the information may be pertinent to this research
aims of this group.
Janice Goldman
jg2333@...
Chicago, IL USA


Riverside Cemetery..follow up #general

pfutoran@...
 

I hope that I have thanked "everyone" personally who responded to me
request. I now know that the cemetery is in New Jersey and called the
office today. I now have the locations and grave numbers of the three
STILLER family members and would like to know if anyone will be going to
the Riverside Cemetery who would be willing to rtake photographs for me.
I will be happy to pay expenses. Please contact me privately.
Thank you
Pat Futoran
Tiburon, CA

researching: FUTORAN(SKY), BUNCHAK, RIZHAVSKY, STILLER, PROMYSCHLIANSKY
(PROMISEL)