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Abraham JACOBS Info on ViewMate - Need Help Reading #general

rlberliner@...
 

Please view at
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1734.html
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1735.html

Two items are posted on Viewmate regarding Abraham Jacobs. On his Death
Certificate, help is needed reading the given name and middle initial of
Abraham's father and the maiden name of his mother.

The second item is Abraham's obituary which shows Mollie as his widow. Her
maiden name or any other information about her is unknown to us. Some census
information shows a Mollie Jacobs to be the daughter of Tillie/Lillie
Harris. Could she have been Abraham's daughter and not his widow? Does the
name Tillie or Lillie Harris connect with anyone's family?

It is possible that Abraham was related to Chaim/Hyman Jacobs who may have
been married to Sarah. If they are related, they could be brothers or father
and son.

Thank you for your suggestions of the spellings of these names. Hopefully,
there will also be a connection on these documents to a genner's family
records?

Please reply privately.

TIA for your responses.

Sincerely,
Rachelle Leaf Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@... OR
rlberliner@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Abraham JACOBS Info on ViewMate - Need Help Reading #general

rlberliner@...
 

Please view at
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1734.html
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1735.html

Two items are posted on Viewmate regarding Abraham Jacobs. On his Death
Certificate, help is needed reading the given name and middle initial of
Abraham's father and the maiden name of his mother.

The second item is Abraham's obituary which shows Mollie as his widow. Her
maiden name or any other information about her is unknown to us. Some census
information shows a Mollie Jacobs to be the daughter of Tillie/Lillie
Harris. Could she have been Abraham's daughter and not his widow? Does the
name Tillie or Lillie Harris connect with anyone's family?

It is possible that Abraham was related to Chaim/Hyman Jacobs who may have
been married to Sarah. If they are related, they could be brothers or father
and son.

Thank you for your suggestions of the spellings of these names. Hopefully,
there will also be a connection on these documents to a genner's family
records?

Please reply privately.

TIA for your responses.

Sincerely,
Rachelle Leaf Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@... OR
rlberliner@...


Ideas for New Databases #rabbinic

Tomer Brunner
 

Shalom Rav-Siggers,

I want to share an idea with you and see want you think about it.

Many times during my research I come across names of descendants of
specific rabbis or rabbinical families. For example, on tombstones
it may state "Here buried Mr. --- a descendant of the rabbi…." Or
in History, Yizkor or any other book, not dealing directly with
genealogy or with the rabbi ancestor, it may state the same.

Those of us who research a certain family, I believe, might benefit
from knowing about these descendants even if the exact relation is
not yet known.

Do you think we should have a special database, arranged by family
names, Where one who find a reference to a descendant of a rabbi or
family can put in the reference (name of book or location of
cemetery) or even the full description of data available? Or should
we let others know about it just in the form of a regular sig
message?

Another kind of database is book criticism database.

More than once I came accross hand-written remarks on old books
(found in universities for example), some of which used to belong
to known scholars (as seen >from the Ex-libris, for example) or to
anonymous persons. The remarks varies >from "compare to the book
by...page..." to "this whole section is incorrect." Sometimes such
remarks were printed as part of the book text. Of course one cannot
trust these remarks as 100% correct but sometimes it would be worth
checking up. If entering all the remarks is too much, it's possible
at least to enter the location and copy number of the book.

I'm not able to build such databases but can definitely supply some
data. Any ideas?

Shana Tova,

Tomer Brunner, Israel.


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Ideas for New Databases #rabbinic

Tomer Brunner
 

Shalom Rav-Siggers,

I want to share an idea with you and see want you think about it.

Many times during my research I come across names of descendants of
specific rabbis or rabbinical families. For example, on tombstones
it may state "Here buried Mr. --- a descendant of the rabbi…." Or
in History, Yizkor or any other book, not dealing directly with
genealogy or with the rabbi ancestor, it may state the same.

Those of us who research a certain family, I believe, might benefit
from knowing about these descendants even if the exact relation is
not yet known.

Do you think we should have a special database, arranged by family
names, Where one who find a reference to a descendant of a rabbi or
family can put in the reference (name of book or location of
cemetery) or even the full description of data available? Or should
we let others know about it just in the form of a regular sig
message?

Another kind of database is book criticism database.

More than once I came accross hand-written remarks on old books
(found in universities for example), some of which used to belong
to known scholars (as seen >from the Ex-libris, for example) or to
anonymous persons. The remarks varies >from "compare to the book
by...page..." to "this whole section is incorrect." Sometimes such
remarks were printed as part of the book text. Of course one cannot
trust these remarks as 100% correct but sometimes it would be worth
checking up. If entering all the remarks is too much, it's possible
at least to enter the location and copy number of the book.

I'm not able to build such databases but can definitely supply some
data. Any ideas?

Shana Tova,

Tomer Brunner, Israel.


Re: FRUCHTER #rabbinic

dshapiro@...
 

On 29 Aug 2002 at 0:25, Samuel Shoshan wrote:

He was the son of
R' Eliiyahu FRUCHTER, whose father was Shlomo [the first FRUCHTER
given this patronymic by the Emperor of Austro-Hungary whose story
of the three brothers I will write about soon.]
The story of the three brothers, Mordechai STERN of Seliszt, Avraham
ADLER of Borsha, and Shlomo FRUHTER Visheva (please forgive my
spelling of the names of the town, my source gives them in Hebrew)
is recorded in an appendix to Gilyonos Maharsham (Jerusalem 5758),
which was publshed by Chaim Stern.

According to the story the names were indeed chosen by the Emperor
Josef II in the year 5550 (but of course were not patronyms).
According to this source, the father of the three brothers, Yosef
(a descendant of the Sheloh) was himself son in law of Rav Zvi Hirsh
Horovitz of Chortkov. It states that more information can be found
in "Matebos Kodesh" (New York, 5712) >from p. 13.

Ksiva vachasima tova.

David Shapiro
Jerusalem


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: FRUCHTER #rabbinic

dshapiro@...
 

On 29 Aug 2002 at 0:25, Samuel Shoshan wrote:

He was the son of
R' Eliiyahu FRUCHTER, whose father was Shlomo [the first FRUCHTER
given this patronymic by the Emperor of Austro-Hungary whose story
of the three brothers I will write about soon.]
The story of the three brothers, Mordechai STERN of Seliszt, Avraham
ADLER of Borsha, and Shlomo FRUHTER Visheva (please forgive my
spelling of the names of the town, my source gives them in Hebrew)
is recorded in an appendix to Gilyonos Maharsham (Jerusalem 5758),
which was publshed by Chaim Stern.

According to the story the names were indeed chosen by the Emperor
Josef II in the year 5550 (but of course were not patronyms).
According to this source, the father of the three brothers, Yosef
(a descendant of the Sheloh) was himself son in law of Rav Zvi Hirsh
Horovitz of Chortkov. It states that more information can be found
in "Matebos Kodesh" (New York, 5712) >from p. 13.

Ksiva vachasima tova.

David Shapiro
Jerusalem


Ignaz DEUTSCH (1808-1886) - Vienna #rabbinic

Tomer Brunner
 

Dear friends,

I'm looking for descendants of my relative, who was famous at the
time in Austro-Hungary.

He was Ignaz DEUTSCH (b. 1808 in Pressburg/Bratislava, died 1886 in
Baden b. Wien And was buried in Pressburg). He studied in the
Pressburg Yeshiva under The Chatam Sofer and a was related to the
DEUTSCH and DUSCHINSKY rabbinical families.

He was a hof-wechsler ( something like royal money supplier/
changer) and was also in charge of the moneys collected for the Jews
of Jerusalem. He had 13 children. I know that some of his children
and grandchildren Lived in Germany, Austria, USA and Buenos Ayres.
(I have the names of all Children and some grandchildren)

In one of the sources about him, the author mentions a grandson,
Ing. Robert DEUTSCH, (born 1881), who, in 1947, lived in Vienna in
Wiedener Hoiptstrasse 39 (spelling might be totally different but
sounds the same), in the 4th quarter. He had married a German woman
from Berlin and thanks to her mother was saved during WWII. They had
no Children. I know he had a lot of info about his grandfather,
Ignaz DEUTSCH, including written material and photos.

Can anyone suggest who can I find more info not only about his
living relatives, but specifically about his heirs. Will they (the
heirs) be registered anywhere? Even if so, will the archives the
info in case these people still live? (no way, ah?)

Thanks for any help!
Tomer Brunner, Israel.


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Ignaz DEUTSCH (1808-1886) - Vienna #rabbinic

Tomer Brunner
 

Dear friends,

I'm looking for descendants of my relative, who was famous at the
time in Austro-Hungary.

He was Ignaz DEUTSCH (b. 1808 in Pressburg/Bratislava, died 1886 in
Baden b. Wien And was buried in Pressburg). He studied in the
Pressburg Yeshiva under The Chatam Sofer and a was related to the
DEUTSCH and DUSCHINSKY rabbinical families.

He was a hof-wechsler ( something like royal money supplier/
changer) and was also in charge of the moneys collected for the Jews
of Jerusalem. He had 13 children. I know that some of his children
and grandchildren Lived in Germany, Austria, USA and Buenos Ayres.
(I have the names of all Children and some grandchildren)

In one of the sources about him, the author mentions a grandson,
Ing. Robert DEUTSCH, (born 1881), who, in 1947, lived in Vienna in
Wiedener Hoiptstrasse 39 (spelling might be totally different but
sounds the same), in the 4th quarter. He had married a German woman
from Berlin and thanks to her mother was saved during WWII. They had
no Children. I know he had a lot of info about his grandfather,
Ignaz DEUTSCH, including written material and photos.

Can anyone suggest who can I find more info not only about his
living relatives, but specifically about his heirs. Will they (the
heirs) be registered anywhere? Even if so, will the archives the
info in case these people still live? (no way, ah?)

Thanks for any help!
Tomer Brunner, Israel.


Hebrew book: Tiktin community records #rabbinic

Tomer Brunner
 

Dear Rav-Siggers,

I would like to let you know about a relatively new book, which
I find very interesting.

The Hebrew book is titled "Pinkas Kehal Tiktin" / Israeli national
academy for science/ Mordechai Nadav.
Vol. 1 published 1997; Vol. 2 published 2000.
It contains records >from the community of Tykocin, Poland (Tiktin in
Yiddish) >from the period 1621-1806.

I've found the names of some known rabbis also >from other
communities at that time or even their family members mentioned. It
has also a great index with names of persons and places and even of
terms used in the records. It has also a dictionary of the terms.
The book is available in Israeli universities.

Regards,
Tomer Brunner, Israel


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Hebrew book: Tiktin community records #rabbinic

Tomer Brunner
 

Dear Rav-Siggers,

I would like to let you know about a relatively new book, which
I find very interesting.

The Hebrew book is titled "Pinkas Kehal Tiktin" / Israeli national
academy for science/ Mordechai Nadav.
Vol. 1 published 1997; Vol. 2 published 2000.
It contains records >from the community of Tykocin, Poland (Tiktin in
Yiddish) >from the period 1621-1806.

I've found the names of some known rabbis also >from other
communities at that time or even their family members mentioned. It
has also a great index with names of persons and places and even of
terms used in the records. It has also a dictionary of the terms.
The book is available in Israeli universities.

Regards,
Tomer Brunner, Israel


SA White pages #southafrica

shaul <shaul@...>
 

South Africa white pages for telephone numbers and addresses:

http://196.15.219.249/


Saul Issroff


Yudel Flior Yiddish Maanuscripts #southafrica

shaul <shaul@...>
 

<<"Dinberg Donna" <donna.dinberg@...>
wrote on Sunday, August 25, 2002 Subject: Yudel Flior's manuscripts
I have just noticed on the front flap of the dustjacket of the
Yudel Flior "Dvinsk" book the following:

"He left behind sixteen manuscripts of about 80,000 words each of
which this is the first to be published. The originals are all in Yiddish."
This is astonishing! If the other manuscripts are half as interesting as
the first, this is a real treasure trove.
Now comes the question: do any of you South African genners know
about this, or know where those manuscripts might be? >>


A subsequent inquiry was directed to Prof Joseph Sherman, noted SA
Yiddishist, who knew Maurice Flior, son of Yudel, but was not aware of any
extant manuscripts. Nothing is listed in the archives fo the SAJBOD. The
book on Dvinsk was published by Dial Press circa 1959.


Saul Issroff


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica SA White pages #southafrica

shaul <shaul@...>
 

South Africa white pages for telephone numbers and addresses:

http://196.15.219.249/


Saul Issroff


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Yudel Flior Yiddish Maanuscripts #southafrica

shaul <shaul@...>
 

<<"Dinberg Donna" <donna.dinberg@...>
wrote on Sunday, August 25, 2002 Subject: Yudel Flior's manuscripts
I have just noticed on the front flap of the dustjacket of the
Yudel Flior "Dvinsk" book the following:

"He left behind sixteen manuscripts of about 80,000 words each of
which this is the first to be published. The originals are all in Yiddish."
This is astonishing! If the other manuscripts are half as interesting as
the first, this is a real treasure trove.
Now comes the question: do any of you South African genners know
about this, or know where those manuscripts might be? >>


A subsequent inquiry was directed to Prof Joseph Sherman, noted SA
Yiddishist, who knew Maurice Flior, son of Yudel, but was not aware of any
extant manuscripts. Nothing is listed in the archives fo the SAJBOD. The
book on Dvinsk was published by Dial Press circa 1959.


Saul Issroff


Dubno-MUROWITZER/MOROWITZ/KIRSNER #belarus

Joel A. Morrow
 

Good afternoon >from Madrid-I'd like info on the town of Dubno before WWII-My
parents were born there-Murowitzer-orMorowitz-Also Kirsner Family-Are there
any records up to and after WWII?-Is there a list of families >from that
area?-Thanks-Joel

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Belarus SIG #Belarus Dubno-MUROWITZER/MOROWITZ/KIRSNER #belarus

Joel A. Morrow
 

Good afternoon >from Madrid-I'd like info on the town of Dubno before WWII-My
parents were born there-Murowitzer-orMorowitz-Also Kirsner Family-Are there
any records up to and after WWII?-Is there a list of families >from that
area?-Thanks-Joel

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Re: Looking for details on the lineage of Abraham Cahan #lithuania

Joel Ratner
 

Roy Ogus inquired as to the family of Abraham Cahan, the founder of the
Forward.

The best source of information I know of is the autobiography of A. Cahan,
"Bleter fun mein leben - Erster band - In Der Alter Hayim", New York, 1926. [Pages >from my life - First Vol. - In the Old Days]. On page 140, Cahan mentions his maternal family, the Goldarbeiters. The Goldarbeiter family is also listed in the 1858 Vilna Revision List.

A brief glance at the text reveals there are other family members mentioned, although it is beyond the scope of this message to find them all [the book is 502 pages in Yiddish].

The book includes photographs of his parents and others.

Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna District Research Group


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Looking for details on the lineage of Abraham Cahan #lithuania

Joel Ratner
 

Roy Ogus inquired as to the family of Abraham Cahan, the founder of the
Forward.

The best source of information I know of is the autobiography of A. Cahan,
"Bleter fun mein leben - Erster band - In Der Alter Hayim", New York, 1926. [Pages >from my life - First Vol. - In the Old Days]. On page 140, Cahan mentions his maternal family, the Goldarbeiters. The Goldarbeiter family is also listed in the 1858 Vilna Revision List.

A brief glance at the text reveals there are other family members mentioned, although it is beyond the scope of this message to find them all [the book is 502 pages in Yiddish].

The book includes photographs of his parents and others.

Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna District Research Group


Re: search for city of "Berdiansh" #general

NFatouros@...
 

In a message dated 9/1/0, Burt Altman wrote in part:

<< I would like to inquire >from the list if anyone has heard of the town of
"Berdiansh," in the Ukraine? It was listed on the Ellis Island ship
manifest as my paternal grandfather's place of residence. Other possible
places of residence I have documented are Kobelyaki and Kerch, and through
your help, I've located those places.

Does "Berdiansh" ring a bell with anyone? Could it be some type of
spelling variation of another town, or the shortened form for another town? >>

Given Mr. Altman's mention of the town of Korostyshev, I think that
Berdichev was "Berdiansh" which is probably the mistranscription made by an
EIDB volunteer.

Korostyshev is northwest of and not far >from Berdishev, where my
grandfather Isidor Belkowsky was born. I've not quite yet made out his
passport, but >from the handwritting on it, I have the impression that
Isidor's mother came >from Korostyshev.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Viennese Mental Hospital "Steinhof" #general

Fritz Neubauer
 

Yacov asked asked about the Viennese Mental Hospital Steinhof:

"Is there any available information on patients records for the *Am
Steinhof* mental hospital in Wien, Austria?

The person I am researching was supposedly admitted to this institution
around 1928, and probably transported to Poland between 1938 and 1942."

My comment:

Information about Austrian victims is often available through the
Dokumentationsarchiv des oesterreichen Widerstands

www.doew.at

This site also has a link to an exhibition about the history of the Steinhof
institution (which is now called "Baumgartner Hoehe" since the term
"Steinhof" had become a household word in Vienna), its uses and abuses as
well as an email address for further inquiries:

The Exhibition in Vienna's Otto Wagner Hospital

Exhibition site

Pavillon V
Otto Wagner-Spital
Baumgartner Ho"he 1
1145 Vienna

Contact

Wolfgang Lamsa
office@...

I hope that helps

with kind regards

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany