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Re: Regarding Yarzheit Observance #general

yonatan@...
 

All countings of mourning are >from the date of death (hebrew date
ofcourse),- end of "shloshim (thirty days), 11 months, 12 months and
Yahrzeit- except for the Shiva which is >from date of burial.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem/Efrat

I am trying to figure out what day my grandfather died. According
to the Social Security Administration he died in November 1986.
According to Goldsteins' Rosenberg's Raphael Sacks Inc. his yarzheit
observance date was November 29, 2000 or Kislev 2. Kislev 2 in 1986
was December 4th. Would his yarzheit be observed on his burial date
rather than his death date?
Vicki Ina Friedman
Waleska, GA, USA


Romanian Shul - St. Louis - Missouri. #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Dear Genners,

from previous requests and your responses I now know more about
my family in St. Louis.

However, I still need help…

Joseph and Nechame NADLER >from Botosani, Romania, together with
their children Rifka (Beckie), Moritz (Morris), Yirl, Sima and
Naftule arrived in St. Louis in 1902. Address 8015 7th St. St. Louis
(how long they stayed there for I don’t know).

Although it has taken time I have found out that Beckie married
a Max Hershkowitz and moved to New York, buried in Elmont Long
Island. Morris married a Fannie Seigal, had 6 children and continued
to live in St. Louis, and is buried there. (I am now in contact with
members of his family)

Through the most wonderful volunteers working for the St. Louis
Genealogical Soc I have found the burial place of Joseph, but not of
his wife Nechame. Nor can I find any information on their other
children Yirl, Sima and Naftule.

Morris was married in 1906 by Rabbi Z Rosenfeld of the Sheerith
Sfard Congregation (Romanian shul) also know as Chevrah Sheiray
Sfard. Records of this congregation were I was told kept in the St.
Louis Jewish Library in the Brodsky Centre. Again a most wonderful
volunteer went to check this out but found ‘the box’ contained
nothing more than a few inconsequential papers.

How can records of a large congregation just disappear when the shul
becomes defunct? Surely there must be ledgers of births/marriages/
deaths somewhere?

A Dr. Walter Ehrlich has written a book entitled Zion in the Valley
(about the Jews of St. Louis) – does anyone know how I can contact
this gentleman directly to see if he has any information?

Does anyone have family who used to belong to the Sheerith Sfard
Congregation and might be able to throw light on the matter?

The other Romanian shul in St. Louis was the Ahavas Achim Anshei
Romania – however as Morris was married under the auspices of the
Sheerith Sfard I shall concentrate my search towards that community
whose members were mostly buried in the Chesed Shel Emeth Cemetery.

I look forward to any suggestions anyone may have.

Thank you all once again for your previous assistance.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)

MODERATOR NOTE: Contact information for Dr. Walter Ehrlich should be
sent privately.


Researcher in Khmelnitsky archive and Nova Ushitsa cemeteries? #general

dg <davic1@...>
 

I was interested in knowing of anyone who has successfully worked
with a researcher in the archives of Khmelnitsky, Ukraine. Also, does
anyone know if it is possible to discover whether Jewish cemeteries
still exist in the villages of Kalus and Butsnevtsy in the former
district of Nova Ushitsa. Apparently when my great-grandparents and
their children had reported coming >from Nova Ushitsa/Latnowitz, they
very possibly meant those two villages. Please respond privately.

Thanks,
David Goldman


reusing EIDB One Step results #general

Goulnik, Yves {PBC~Basel}
 

I have been successfully using the One Step EIDB script provided
by Stephen Morse and Michael Tobias. After fiddling with it in
various ways, I came up with the following approach :

- only specify Last Name as criterion, using 'sounds like' option,
- high number of hits per page, to try and get all results at once
- save the resulting file (.htm) for reference

from there on, I open it with Excel (spreadsheet) so the list which
can be sorted by place of residence or arrival date in combination
with last name.

Age is a little tricky as the year/month indication skews the sort
method (e.g. '2 y 6 m' will come between say '19y' and '20 y'. And
so children below 10 will be scattered all over - only way out would
be for the script to add a 0 in front for all such cases.

I just wanted to share this little trick I use in conjunction with
what is a major improvement to the basic EIDB interface. I should
add that doing this also helps minimize access to EIDB.

Yv

Yv Goulnik
Mulhouse, FRANCE
http://goulniky.free.fr/
yves.goulnik@...

Researching:
GULNIK (GULNICK, GOLNIK, GOLNICK...) >from Ternovka then Odessa, Ukraine
SCHLAPOSHNIK, PIKOWSKI, SALAMANOVITCH, TRIGER


How Do I Obtain a Death Certificate from Perth Amboy, NJ, USA? #general

Dream Builder <dreambuilder@...>
 

There seems to be a discrepancy in the date of my grandfather's
death. The SSA lists him as dying in Nov 1986, but his yarzheit
is observed for what would have been 04 Dec 1986. He died in a
nursing home in Perth Amboy, NJ. I don't know the name of the
nursing home. I seem to recall some discussion about NJ making it
more difficult to obtain vital records. How do I obtain a death
certificate >from Perth Amboy, NJ? Where do I order it from? What
do I have to do to prove relationship? How much does it cost?

Vicki Ina Friedman
Waleska, GA, USA
dreambuilder@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Regarding Yarzheit Observance #general

yonatan@...
 

All countings of mourning are >from the date of death (hebrew date
ofcourse),- end of "shloshim (thirty days), 11 months, 12 months and
Yahrzeit- except for the Shiva which is >from date of burial.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem/Efrat

I am trying to figure out what day my grandfather died. According
to the Social Security Administration he died in November 1986.
According to Goldsteins' Rosenberg's Raphael Sacks Inc. his yarzheit
observance date was November 29, 2000 or Kislev 2. Kislev 2 in 1986
was December 4th. Would his yarzheit be observed on his burial date
rather than his death date?
Vicki Ina Friedman
Waleska, GA, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Romanian Shul - St. Louis - Missouri. #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Dear Genners,

from previous requests and your responses I now know more about
my family in St. Louis.

However, I still need help…

Joseph and Nechame NADLER >from Botosani, Romania, together with
their children Rifka (Beckie), Moritz (Morris), Yirl, Sima and
Naftule arrived in St. Louis in 1902. Address 8015 7th St. St. Louis
(how long they stayed there for I don’t know).

Although it has taken time I have found out that Beckie married
a Max Hershkowitz and moved to New York, buried in Elmont Long
Island. Morris married a Fannie Seigal, had 6 children and continued
to live in St. Louis, and is buried there. (I am now in contact with
members of his family)

Through the most wonderful volunteers working for the St. Louis
Genealogical Soc I have found the burial place of Joseph, but not of
his wife Nechame. Nor can I find any information on their other
children Yirl, Sima and Naftule.

Morris was married in 1906 by Rabbi Z Rosenfeld of the Sheerith
Sfard Congregation (Romanian shul) also know as Chevrah Sheiray
Sfard. Records of this congregation were I was told kept in the St.
Louis Jewish Library in the Brodsky Centre. Again a most wonderful
volunteer went to check this out but found ‘the box’ contained
nothing more than a few inconsequential papers.

How can records of a large congregation just disappear when the shul
becomes defunct? Surely there must be ledgers of births/marriages/
deaths somewhere?

A Dr. Walter Ehrlich has written a book entitled Zion in the Valley
(about the Jews of St. Louis) – does anyone know how I can contact
this gentleman directly to see if he has any information?

Does anyone have family who used to belong to the Sheerith Sfard
Congregation and might be able to throw light on the matter?

The other Romanian shul in St. Louis was the Ahavas Achim Anshei
Romania – however as Morris was married under the auspices of the
Sheerith Sfard I shall concentrate my search towards that community
whose members were mostly buried in the Chesed Shel Emeth Cemetery.

I look forward to any suggestions anyone may have.

Thank you all once again for your previous assistance.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)

MODERATOR NOTE: Contact information for Dr. Walter Ehrlich should be
sent privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Researcher in Khmelnitsky archive and Nova Ushitsa cemeteries? #general

dg <davic1@...>
 

I was interested in knowing of anyone who has successfully worked
with a researcher in the archives of Khmelnitsky, Ukraine. Also, does
anyone know if it is possible to discover whether Jewish cemeteries
still exist in the villages of Kalus and Butsnevtsy in the former
district of Nova Ushitsa. Apparently when my great-grandparents and
their children had reported coming >from Nova Ushitsa/Latnowitz, they
very possibly meant those two villages. Please respond privately.

Thanks,
David Goldman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen reusing EIDB One Step results #general

Goulnik, Yves {PBC~Basel}
 

I have been successfully using the One Step EIDB script provided
by Stephen Morse and Michael Tobias. After fiddling with it in
various ways, I came up with the following approach :

- only specify Last Name as criterion, using 'sounds like' option,
- high number of hits per page, to try and get all results at once
- save the resulting file (.htm) for reference

from there on, I open it with Excel (spreadsheet) so the list which
can be sorted by place of residence or arrival date in combination
with last name.

Age is a little tricky as the year/month indication skews the sort
method (e.g. '2 y 6 m' will come between say '19y' and '20 y'. And
so children below 10 will be scattered all over - only way out would
be for the script to add a 0 in front for all such cases.

I just wanted to share this little trick I use in conjunction with
what is a major improvement to the basic EIDB interface. I should
add that doing this also helps minimize access to EIDB.

Yv

Yv Goulnik
Mulhouse, FRANCE
http://goulniky.free.fr/
yves.goulnik@...

Researching:
GULNIK (GULNICK, GOLNIK, GOLNICK...) >from Ternovka then Odessa, Ukraine
SCHLAPOSHNIK, PIKOWSKI, SALAMANOVITCH, TRIGER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen How Do I Obtain a Death Certificate from Perth Amboy, NJ, USA? #general

Dream Builder <dreambuilder@...>
 

There seems to be a discrepancy in the date of my grandfather's
death. The SSA lists him as dying in Nov 1986, but his yarzheit
is observed for what would have been 04 Dec 1986. He died in a
nursing home in Perth Amboy, NJ. I don't know the name of the
nursing home. I seem to recall some discussion about NJ making it
more difficult to obtain vital records. How do I obtain a death
certificate >from Perth Amboy, NJ? Where do I order it from? What
do I have to do to prove relationship? How much does it cost?

Vicki Ina Friedman
Waleska, GA, USA
dreambuilder@...


Researching Polish/Russian Heritage - SHPAK and SKAZINETSKI #general

wolf@...
 

The family name of Shpak dates back to 1800's in a Village in Poland
called Benanifka (any more info on this village would be appreciated)
Daughers and sons came to Canada in the early 1900's (some may have
stayed?or gone to Russia?or Isreal?)

The family name Skazinetski dates back to the 1800's they were in
Mogilev Russia came to Canada in the early 1900's. At customs the
Name was shortened to Kass and Katz.

Any information on these family names would be appreciated

Craig Tallman : Canada
wolf@...

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register your family names and towns on the JewishGen Family Finder,
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/


Rose GREENFIELD Death 1915-1920 #general

BSwart10@...
 

Once again I am requesting a look up at the Vital Records Department
in NYC.

Rose GREENFIELD died between 1915 and 1920. 1915 City Census states
that she was in High School at the time of the census, and was 16
years old.. She was between 16 & 20 when she died. Her date of birth
was August 1898. Her Mother was Kate Greenfield and they lived on
Ave C in Manhattan. Her Father Bernard Greenfield, died in 1899.
1920 census shows that she is now missing >from the 1920 census. Her
sister told me she died before 1920.

Would like a look up at the Records Department if possible.

If anyone is going to any of the Cemeteries around the City, I would
appreciate if you ask in the office, if she is buried in that cemetery.
There might be a family plot with the name of Fried which was Kate's
maiden name. Rose might be buried in their family plot.

I would appreciate any help that any one can give me. I also will be
glad to reinburse anyone if there is a charge for the service.

Beatrice Swart
Tamarac, Fl
BSwart10@...

Researching: SWART, >from London, Mass, and NY. RUDNICK >from Krevo
Belarus and NY City, The Bronx and Westchester Co. KALSTEIN >from
Raczki Poland, and NYC (Bronx and Queens.), GREENFIELD, >from Budepest
and NYC., MISHKIND >from Russia, Vilna, New York City New Jersey, &
Tucson, Ariz.,

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


Re: The Five Points #general

Bayla Gan <rookieaz1@...>
 

Ms Kamins wrote:

<< Your chronology is way off as is your geography. In the first
place Chatham Square is nowhere near the area known as Five Points.
Chatham Square is in today's Chinatown, while Five Points is in Soho
further uptown and to the west. >>

I am sorry to say Ms Kamins, your geography is off as well.

The Five Points, was the intersection of Orange (now Baxter), Cross
(now Park), Anthony (aka Cat Hollow, now Worth, also bounded by Ryndert
(now Mulberry). This puts it not in SoHo, but around Foley Square,
in Chinatown, closer to where Ms Torres said

For more information check out this site:
http://r2.gsa.gov/fivept/fphome.htm

Bonnie Miller
Brooklyn, New York

MODERATOR NOTE: Discussions of geography should be continued privately.
Discussions relating to genealogy, on topics such as cemetery locations,
will be considered for posting.


Records in Israel - arrivals, marriage, births, etc. #general

Merv & Naomi Barnett
 

My parents, Ester VOLSHTEIN and Nissan REIZER emigrated separately
from Grodno, Belarus around 1920 and settled in Palestine. They met
and married there in the mid 1920s and stayed until 1939 when they
moved to New Zealand.

I would like to know if there are any records that can be accessed
in Israel regarding arrivals, marriage, births etc. I don't have
exact dates for arrival, only an approximation. Any help would be
appreciated.

Many thanks.

Naomi Barnett
Melbourne, Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Researching Polish/Russian Heritage - SHPAK and SKAZINETSKI #general

wolf@...
 

The family name of Shpak dates back to 1800's in a Village in Poland
called Benanifka (any more info on this village would be appreciated)
Daughers and sons came to Canada in the early 1900's (some may have
stayed?or gone to Russia?or Isreal?)

The family name Skazinetski dates back to the 1800's they were in
Mogilev Russia came to Canada in the early 1900's. At customs the
Name was shortened to Kass and Katz.

Any information on these family names would be appreciated

Craig Tallman : Canada
wolf@...

MODERATOR NOTE: If you have not already done so, don't forget to
register your family names and towns on the JewishGen Family Finder,
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rose GREENFIELD Death 1915-1920 #general

BSwart10@...
 

Once again I am requesting a look up at the Vital Records Department
in NYC.

Rose GREENFIELD died between 1915 and 1920. 1915 City Census states
that she was in High School at the time of the census, and was 16
years old.. She was between 16 & 20 when she died. Her date of birth
was August 1898. Her Mother was Kate Greenfield and they lived on
Ave C in Manhattan. Her Father Bernard Greenfield, died in 1899.
1920 census shows that she is now missing >from the 1920 census. Her
sister told me she died before 1920.

Would like a look up at the Records Department if possible.

If anyone is going to any of the Cemeteries around the City, I would
appreciate if you ask in the office, if she is buried in that cemetery.
There might be a family plot with the name of Fried which was Kate's
maiden name. Rose might be buried in their family plot.

I would appreciate any help that any one can give me. I also will be
glad to reinburse anyone if there is a charge for the service.

Beatrice Swart
Tamarac, Fl
BSwart10@...

Researching: SWART, >from London, Mass, and NY. RUDNICK >from Krevo
Belarus and NY City, The Bronx and Westchester Co. KALSTEIN >from
Raczki Poland, and NYC (Bronx and Queens.), GREENFIELD, >from Budepest
and NYC., MISHKIND >from Russia, Vilna, New York City New Jersey, &
Tucson, Ariz.,

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The Five Points #general

Bayla Gan <rookieaz1@...>
 

Ms Kamins wrote:

<< Your chronology is way off as is your geography. In the first
place Chatham Square is nowhere near the area known as Five Points.
Chatham Square is in today's Chinatown, while Five Points is in Soho
further uptown and to the west. >>

I am sorry to say Ms Kamins, your geography is off as well.

The Five Points, was the intersection of Orange (now Baxter), Cross
(now Park), Anthony (aka Cat Hollow, now Worth, also bounded by Ryndert
(now Mulberry). This puts it not in SoHo, but around Foley Square,
in Chinatown, closer to where Ms Torres said

For more information check out this site:
http://r2.gsa.gov/fivept/fphome.htm

Bonnie Miller
Brooklyn, New York

MODERATOR NOTE: Discussions of geography should be continued privately.
Discussions relating to genealogy, on topics such as cemetery locations,
will be considered for posting.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Records in Israel - arrivals, marriage, births, etc. #general

Merv & Naomi Barnett
 

My parents, Ester VOLSHTEIN and Nissan REIZER emigrated separately
from Grodno, Belarus around 1920 and settled in Palestine. They met
and married there in the mid 1920s and stayed until 1939 when they
moved to New Zealand.

I would like to know if there are any records that can be accessed
in Israel regarding arrivals, marriage, births etc. I don't have
exact dates for arrival, only an approximation. Any help would be
appreciated.

Many thanks.

Naomi Barnett
Melbourne, Australia


Zettchen Neuhan #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

I have found my husband's ggrandparents listed at SLC in Ira
Glazier's "Germans to America," arriving in NY >from Bremen 11
July 1854. Their village in Germany is not listed, though they
may have been >from Hesse Kassel. He is listed as Abraham,
which matches what we know, but she is listed as Zettchen. I
asked the German 'experts' working that day if they were familiar
with the name Zettchen and they were not, though, I don't know
how much they know about Jewish names. Anyway, I'm wondering
what else Zettchen could be. We have Abraham and his wife
"Matilda" on the 1870 Baltimore, MD US Census, and I'm pretty
sure their first child was born in Baltimore in 1856. There is
an age discrepancy with Zettchen and Matilda, but I know that
is common, so I'm wondering, do you think they could be the
same and Matilda is the anglicized name?

Regards and TIA,
Connie Fisher Newhan
Yorba Linda, California
Searching FISHER/FISZER (Poland), BARSKY/BARSKY (Odessa), GOLDBERG
(Russia), FELDMAN (Kovno), SPRINGER, HAMBURGER (Poland), ABRAMS,
FRIEDSAM (Germany), NEWHAN/NEUHAN (Germany), GERSTEN (Galacia)


Re: Five Points & Shearith Israel's cemeteries (was Mt.Zion cemetery) #general

Maria <elena@...>
 

Thanks to Rob and to Toni for the corrections and clarifications
concerning my post on Sephardic cemeteries and 19th century NYC.

For anyone interested, here is a web site on the excavations and
history of the Five Points area:

http://r2.gsa.gov/fivept/fphome.htm

which includes a map of the area confirming Rob's post about Five
Points being within kissing distance of China Town and the Court area.

And some other NYC-related sites that may be of interest:

http://www.twofifth.com/history_then.html (Washington square history)
http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/vr_html/vr/temp_v_gothic_place.htm
(Jeff Market Library)
http://www.roomstolet.net/history.html (Greenwich Village)
http://www.insurance-y2k.com/nycsg/4a.html (Greenwich Village)
http://www.sephardicstudies.org/csi11.html (NYC Sephardic cemetery page)

These seem to indicate that, depending on the historical period in
question, both Toni and I were in the ball park concerning Greenwich
Village and Washington Square. There does seem to be an overlap of
time between the active life of the 11th Street Sephardic cemetery
and the use of Washington Square as a Potters Field; but this period
ended in 1828, when "gentrification" began.

Thanks to all.

Maria Torres
elena@...
MALTINSKY, RUBINSTEIN, ZELLAT (Latvia, GA, PA, MY)
NOTIS (Kovno, NY)
PHILLIPS (DADACZ/DUDACz/ISIDOR/EISENDOR), PSCHESDESKY (Poland, UK, NY)