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Volozhiner - Milikovsky/Netanyahu - maybe #general

Chaim freedman
 

Arnold Davidson wrote:

Subject: R' Chaim VOLOZHINER
A family tree, written with a pencil in Yiddish cursive script by my
great uncle, has been puzzling the genealogists in the family for
many years. Some relatives claim it is our own family tree but none
of the names occur in our family. I am hoping that someone may
recogniize the family and help determine whether there is any
relationship.

The tree seems to begin with Chaim VOLOZHINER. There is a notation
that Chaim and Nathan were brothers and then it seem to show
descendants of Nathan. I know about Chaim VOLOZHINER but I only
know about 2 brothers, Simcha and Shlomo (no Nathan). According to
my great-uncle's tree, names that appear where one would expect to
childrens names are Hirsch Bear (with a notation that he took his
wife's name of MOVSHELOVICH), Chaim GRENETZ, Chaim NATHANSON, Arye
Leb.

The next generation seems to show only the children of Hirsch Bear.
Namely, Dvora Lea (married R'Nathan), Chaim MOLEKOVSKY (married
Peshe), Rivke (married ABRANOVICH), and two undecipherable children.

In the next generation, these surnames occur: BRUSKER, VOLOZHIN,
LEVIN, MALEKOVSKY, MOVSHOVITZ, SALANT, BUNEMOVICH. Notations
indicate that members of this generation made aliya and the given
names in the next 2 generations suggest that they were Israeli.

There is a notation that Nathan, the son-in-law (?) of Chaim
VOLOZHINER was a cousin of the Vilna Gaon and another notation that
one of chaim MALEKOVSKY's children had some relationship to the
Vilna Gaon.

The two Yiddish notations referring to the Vilna Gaon are on
Viewmate (VM 1863, VM1864).

There is a tradition in the Milikovsky/Netanyahu family of descent >from the
Vilna Gaon (see my book "Eliyahu's Branches, The Descendants of the Vilna
Gaon and his Family" page 568). The tradition has not been verified. Israeli
politician Benyamin Netanyahu is a son of Bentzion Netanyahu son of Rabbi
Natan Milikovsky, son of Tsvi / Hersh son of Chaim. The family came from
Krevo, Lithuania/Belarus. Is it possible that the above "Malekovsky" family
was identical with the Milikovsky/Netanyahu family ??? Does the "Chaim
Volozhiner" referred to in the hand written family tree necessarily refer to
Rabbi Chaim of Volozhin Yeshiva, or was it simply another Chaim from
Volozhin ?

These are several questions to which I don't have the answers at present,
but it is certainly intriguing. I cannot decifer the critical word after
"VilnaGaon". If ArnoldDavidson were to scan the entire document and send it
to me I might be able to make further progress.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
email: chaimjan@zahav.net.il
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Colonies_of_Ukraine/index.htm


agreement with Ellis Island #general

Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
 

Dear list,
I think we all owe a round of applause for the agreement re Steven
Morse's search engines and Ellis Island. Thank you Jewishgen for the
best possible outcome!
Ruth Hyman
Rockville Centre, NY


The surname HERRING and its variants #general

NFatouros@...
 

On Oct.16/02 Fred Gerbig asked whether the surname HERRING and its several
variants was Jewish. Not necessarily, according to a book I have on German
surnames. It means herring but it can stand for a seller of herrings. A
seller of herring was not necessarily a Jew.

I've come across the HERRING name in Celia S. Heller's "On the Edge of
Destruction: Jews of Poland between the Two World Wars," (Wayne State
University Press, 1994). In a chapter entitled "Historical Perspective",
Heller offers a short list of Jews most of whom, "devoid of Jewish
self-identity" became leaders in the Polish Communist Party, One of these
was a "Jerzy RYNG (HERYNG)."

Some Jewishgenners who have asked about RING surnames in their ancestry
might also note the above shortening of the name to just "RING" or "RYNG"
and consider the possibility that their RINGs could have been named HERRING
(HERING, HERYNG, etc..

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Volozhiner - Milikovsky/Netanyahu - maybe #general

Chaim freedman
 

Arnold Davidson wrote:

Subject: R' Chaim VOLOZHINER
A family tree, written with a pencil in Yiddish cursive script by my
great uncle, has been puzzling the genealogists in the family for
many years. Some relatives claim it is our own family tree but none
of the names occur in our family. I am hoping that someone may
recogniize the family and help determine whether there is any
relationship.

The tree seems to begin with Chaim VOLOZHINER. There is a notation
that Chaim and Nathan were brothers and then it seem to show
descendants of Nathan. I know about Chaim VOLOZHINER but I only
know about 2 brothers, Simcha and Shlomo (no Nathan). According to
my great-uncle's tree, names that appear where one would expect to
childrens names are Hirsch Bear (with a notation that he took his
wife's name of MOVSHELOVICH), Chaim GRENETZ, Chaim NATHANSON, Arye
Leb.

The next generation seems to show only the children of Hirsch Bear.
Namely, Dvora Lea (married R'Nathan), Chaim MOLEKOVSKY (married
Peshe), Rivke (married ABRANOVICH), and two undecipherable children.

In the next generation, these surnames occur: BRUSKER, VOLOZHIN,
LEVIN, MALEKOVSKY, MOVSHOVITZ, SALANT, BUNEMOVICH. Notations
indicate that members of this generation made aliya and the given
names in the next 2 generations suggest that they were Israeli.

There is a notation that Nathan, the son-in-law (?) of Chaim
VOLOZHINER was a cousin of the Vilna Gaon and another notation that
one of chaim MALEKOVSKY's children had some relationship to the
Vilna Gaon.

The two Yiddish notations referring to the Vilna Gaon are on
Viewmate (VM 1863, VM1864).

There is a tradition in the Milikovsky/Netanyahu family of descent >from the
Vilna Gaon (see my book "Eliyahu's Branches, The Descendants of the Vilna
Gaon and his Family" page 568). The tradition has not been verified. Israeli
politician Benyamin Netanyahu is a son of Bentzion Netanyahu son of Rabbi
Natan Milikovsky, son of Tsvi / Hersh son of Chaim. The family came from
Krevo, Lithuania/Belarus. Is it possible that the above "Malekovsky" family
was identical with the Milikovsky/Netanyahu family ??? Does the "Chaim
Volozhiner" referred to in the hand written family tree necessarily refer to
Rabbi Chaim of Volozhin Yeshiva, or was it simply another Chaim from
Volozhin ?

These are several questions to which I don't have the answers at present,
but it is certainly intriguing. I cannot decifer the critical word after
"VilnaGaon". If ArnoldDavidson were to scan the entire document and send it
to me I might be able to make further progress.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
email: chaimjan@zahav.net.il
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Colonies_of_Ukraine/index.htm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen agreement with Ellis Island #general

Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
 

Dear list,
I think we all owe a round of applause for the agreement re Steven
Morse's search engines and Ellis Island. Thank you Jewishgen for the
best possible outcome!
Ruth Hyman
Rockville Centre, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The surname HERRING and its variants #general

NFatouros@...
 

On Oct.16/02 Fred Gerbig asked whether the surname HERRING and its several
variants was Jewish. Not necessarily, according to a book I have on German
surnames. It means herring but it can stand for a seller of herrings. A
seller of herring was not necessarily a Jew.

I've come across the HERRING name in Celia S. Heller's "On the Edge of
Destruction: Jews of Poland between the Two World Wars," (Wayne State
University Press, 1994). In a chapter entitled "Historical Perspective",
Heller offers a short list of Jews most of whom, "devoid of Jewish
self-identity" became leaders in the Polish Communist Party, One of these
was a "Jerzy RYNG (HERYNG)."

Some Jewishgenners who have asked about RING surnames in their ancestry
might also note the above shortening of the name to just "RING" or "RYNG"
and consider the possibility that their RINGs could have been named HERRING
(HERING, HERYNG, etc..

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Re: The TaZ #rabbinic

Leslie Reich <lreich@...>
 

In respnse to a query about the Taz, on 2002.10.18, Larry Tauber
<Ltauber@ctswlaw.com> posted a long reply as follows:

1. Mother was the daughter of R. Isaac, son of R. Bezalel Ashkenazi
son of R. Avraham Ashkenazi.

2. Father was R. Shmuel Halevi (the brother of R. Judah, father
ofthe Maharsha, R. Shmuel Edels). R. Shmuel Halevi's father, R.
Shlomo Zalman, married the daughter of R. Avraham Kalonymides
(1515-1590), son of R. Moses, son of R. Yosef (1480-1560), son of R.
Yehuda Leibish Kalonymides (1455-1530), son of R. Shalom, son of R.
Yosef Kalonymides (1425-1500), son of R. Gershon Kalonymides (1395-
1470), a descendent of Meshulam Kalonymides of Italy (705-780). This
information is based upon Paul Jacobi's researches which was
provided to me by Samuel Shoshan (a frequent RavSig e-mailer who
will doubtlessly reply as well).

3. The traditional ancestry of Rashi's paternal grandfather as
recorded in J. Shapiro, Mishpachot Atikot BeYisrael, is as follows:
R. Solomon Zalman son of R. Abraham of Poland son of R. Moses of
Poland son of R. Joseph of Poland son of R. Liebush son of R. Shalom
of Germany son of R. Joseph of Germany son of R. Gershon the
Kabbalist who went to Israel son of R. Jeruchom of Germany son of R.
David son of R. Zalman Duber son of R. Menachum son of R. Joseph son
of R. David son of R. Avraham Ashkenazi (a hidden righteous man) son
of R. Samson of Rothenberg son of R. David son of R. Moses Saltzman
(Zalman according to R. Meir Wunder), the son of R. Judah HaChasid
(d. 1217)(who married the daughter of R. Isaac son of R. Avraham),
the son of R. Samuel HaChasid (1115-1180), son of R. Kalonymus son
of R. Isaac (married Miriam), son of R. Eleazer. Son of R. Isaac,
son of R. Joshua, son of R. Abun (Rashi's great- grandfather).

4. According to Responsa No. 29 of R. Shlomo Luria, R. Abun was
descended >from R. Meshullam son of R. Kalonymus son of R. Moses the
Elder of Lucca who was brought to Narbonne by King Charles the
Simple to head the Yeshiva there in 917. A. Zuckerman, A Jewish
Princedom in Feudal France: 768-900, argues that R. Moses was a
descendant of R. Machir, the first head of the Narbonne academy, and
that identifies R. Machir with Natronai Bar Haninai, who in 767 was
defeated in his attempt to secure the post of Exilarch in Babylonia.
Natronai Bar Haninai was a direct descendant of the Exilarch
Bustani. ...................
I do not have the time to reply in detail at present, but the above
is unfortunately a mishmash of truth and fiction.

There is no known familial connection between the Taz and the
Maharsha.

The work 'Mishpochot Atikot' has its uses, but is full of gross
errors.

I have not had access to the Paul Jacobi material, but I do not
believe all the above emanated >from such a careful researcher as he.

There seems to be a typo in his paragraph 3, when he refers to
Rashi's ancestry. Any published account of this should be regarded
as not proven.

Leslie Reich


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: The TaZ #rabbinic

Leslie Reich <lreich@...>
 

In respnse to a query about the Taz, on 2002.10.18, Larry Tauber
<Ltauber@ctswlaw.com> posted a long reply as follows:

1. Mother was the daughter of R. Isaac, son of R. Bezalel Ashkenazi
son of R. Avraham Ashkenazi.

2. Father was R. Shmuel Halevi (the brother of R. Judah, father
ofthe Maharsha, R. Shmuel Edels). R. Shmuel Halevi's father, R.
Shlomo Zalman, married the daughter of R. Avraham Kalonymides
(1515-1590), son of R. Moses, son of R. Yosef (1480-1560), son of R.
Yehuda Leibish Kalonymides (1455-1530), son of R. Shalom, son of R.
Yosef Kalonymides (1425-1500), son of R. Gershon Kalonymides (1395-
1470), a descendent of Meshulam Kalonymides of Italy (705-780). This
information is based upon Paul Jacobi's researches which was
provided to me by Samuel Shoshan (a frequent RavSig e-mailer who
will doubtlessly reply as well).

3. The traditional ancestry of Rashi's paternal grandfather as
recorded in J. Shapiro, Mishpachot Atikot BeYisrael, is as follows:
R. Solomon Zalman son of R. Abraham of Poland son of R. Moses of
Poland son of R. Joseph of Poland son of R. Liebush son of R. Shalom
of Germany son of R. Joseph of Germany son of R. Gershon the
Kabbalist who went to Israel son of R. Jeruchom of Germany son of R.
David son of R. Zalman Duber son of R. Menachum son of R. Joseph son
of R. David son of R. Avraham Ashkenazi (a hidden righteous man) son
of R. Samson of Rothenberg son of R. David son of R. Moses Saltzman
(Zalman according to R. Meir Wunder), the son of R. Judah HaChasid
(d. 1217)(who married the daughter of R. Isaac son of R. Avraham),
the son of R. Samuel HaChasid (1115-1180), son of R. Kalonymus son
of R. Isaac (married Miriam), son of R. Eleazer. Son of R. Isaac,
son of R. Joshua, son of R. Abun (Rashi's great- grandfather).

4. According to Responsa No. 29 of R. Shlomo Luria, R. Abun was
descended >from R. Meshullam son of R. Kalonymus son of R. Moses the
Elder of Lucca who was brought to Narbonne by King Charles the
Simple to head the Yeshiva there in 917. A. Zuckerman, A Jewish
Princedom in Feudal France: 768-900, argues that R. Moses was a
descendant of R. Machir, the first head of the Narbonne academy, and
that identifies R. Machir with Natronai Bar Haninai, who in 767 was
defeated in his attempt to secure the post of Exilarch in Babylonia.
Natronai Bar Haninai was a direct descendant of the Exilarch
Bustani. ...................
I do not have the time to reply in detail at present, but the above
is unfortunately a mishmash of truth and fiction.

There is no known familial connection between the Taz and the
Maharsha.

The work 'Mishpochot Atikot' has its uses, but is full of gross
errors.

I have not had access to the Paul Jacobi material, but I do not
believe all the above emanated >from such a careful researcher as he.

There seems to be a typo in his paragraph 3, when he refers to
Rashi's ancestry. Any published account of this should be regarded
as not proven.

Leslie Reich


EIDB records - arrival of Rafael Wreschner twice in one week #general

Wreschner, Jonathan <jonathan.wreschner@...>
 

Any suggestions regarding the following?

According to records on EIDB, Rafael Wreschner and his wife Auguste
arrived at Ellis Island on August 19th 1908 aboard the ship President
Lincoln, and again a week later on August 26th 1908 aboard the ship
President Grant. The port of departure is the same in both cases -
Cuxhaven, Hamburg. How is this possible?

The records for the first arrival give ethnicity as Germany German, and
the second as Germany Hebrew. How was ethnicity determined?

Another quirk - the age of Auguste Wreschner is a year younger on the
second record. Is this a transcription error?

Thank you,
Jonathan Wreschner
Efrat Israel


More re "JewishNewspapers in Poland" #general

NFatouros@...
 

I want to add to the message I sent in yesterday that later in the day I
found the person who had recently asked about Warsaw newspapers. It was
Andrew Kolin and I sent him a copy of the message I'd written. On October
16/02 he had asked:

<<My great grandfather died in Warsaw between 1911-1922. In
which newspaper would his death notice appear?>>

Also, although I had said in my "Jewish Newspapers in Poland" reply that I
had found the names of Jewish Polish newspapers in Isaac Lewin's account of
the interwar period. But in another essay (Chapter XIV) in his
"The Jewish Community in Poland" Lewin indicates that the newspaper "Haint"
(or Haynt) was published before that period. In that essay, Lewin mentions
the publication in the "Haint" of a report of members of the "Executive
Committee" of the Agudat Ha-ortodoksim on November 12, 1916. (It may be that
"Haint" as well as some or all of the papers whose names I listed were
published even earlier in the last century and, perhaps, some were issued
during the late 19th century.)

I imagine that the selection of a newspaper in which to place an obituary
would be based on the deceased's status in the community, on the strength of
his religious beliefs, and on the language in which he and the mourners were
most comfortable.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen EIDB records - arrival of Rafael Wreschner twice in one week #general

Wreschner, Jonathan <jonathan.wreschner@...>
 

Any suggestions regarding the following?

According to records on EIDB, Rafael Wreschner and his wife Auguste
arrived at Ellis Island on August 19th 1908 aboard the ship President
Lincoln, and again a week later on August 26th 1908 aboard the ship
President Grant. The port of departure is the same in both cases -
Cuxhaven, Hamburg. How is this possible?

The records for the first arrival give ethnicity as Germany German, and
the second as Germany Hebrew. How was ethnicity determined?

Another quirk - the age of Auguste Wreschner is a year younger on the
second record. Is this a transcription error?

Thank you,
Jonathan Wreschner
Efrat Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen More re "JewishNewspapers in Poland" #general

NFatouros@...
 

I want to add to the message I sent in yesterday that later in the day I
found the person who had recently asked about Warsaw newspapers. It was
Andrew Kolin and I sent him a copy of the message I'd written. On October
16/02 he had asked:

<<My great grandfather died in Warsaw between 1911-1922. In
which newspaper would his death notice appear?>>

Also, although I had said in my "Jewish Newspapers in Poland" reply that I
had found the names of Jewish Polish newspapers in Isaac Lewin's account of
the interwar period. But in another essay (Chapter XIV) in his
"The Jewish Community in Poland" Lewin indicates that the newspaper "Haint"
(or Haynt) was published before that period. In that essay, Lewin mentions
the publication in the "Haint" of a report of members of the "Executive
Committee" of the Agudat Ha-ortodoksim on November 12, 1916. (It may be that
"Haint" as well as some or all of the papers whose names I listed were
published even earlier in the last century and, perhaps, some were issued
during the late 19th century.)

I imagine that the selection of a newspaper in which to place an obituary
would be based on the deceased's status in the community, on the strength of
his religious beliefs, and on the language in which he and the mourners were
most comfortable.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Bayside Cemetery Article in Jewish Week #general

D PITCHON <PITCHON@...>
 

There was a very interesting 5 page story in this weeks The Jewish Week
in regards to Bayside Cemetery in Ozone Park, Queens NY. The story is
entitled "The Cemetery Nobody Wants" it can be found at
www.TheJewishWeek.com
D Pitchon
NY


The second page of the manifest #general

Anita Citron <anitac47@...>
 

Thanks to everyone that replied on this question. The consensus is that
this second page which had nifty tidbits like the address/people the recent
arrival was supposedly going to live with did not exist probably until
about 1903 or so.

Anita Citron
anitac47@optonline.net
Hicksville, NY
NADWORNY, SILVER, FLEISHER(Odessa, St.Petersburg)
BENDERSKY (Ladyzhin/Odessa),ODESSKY(Lipovets/Odessa),
NEPOMNYATSHY(Voznesensk/Odessa)
TRACHTENBERG(Gritsev/Starykonstantinov/Odessa/Vienna/Belgium), FURMAN
(Pyatkovko/Odessa),
FINGERHUT/FINGERET (Ananyev/Voznesensk/Odessa), MEDNIK/WILDMAN (Berdichev)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bayside Cemetery Article in Jewish Week #general

D PITCHON <PITCHON@...>
 

There was a very interesting 5 page story in this weeks The Jewish Week
in regards to Bayside Cemetery in Ozone Park, Queens NY. The story is
entitled "The Cemetery Nobody Wants" it can be found at
www.TheJewishWeek.com
D Pitchon
NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The second page of the manifest #general

Anita Citron <anitac47@...>
 

Thanks to everyone that replied on this question. The consensus is that
this second page which had nifty tidbits like the address/people the recent
arrival was supposedly going to live with did not exist probably until
about 1903 or so.

Anita Citron
anitac47@optonline.net
Hicksville, NY
NADWORNY, SILVER, FLEISHER(Odessa, St.Petersburg)
BENDERSKY (Ladyzhin/Odessa),ODESSKY(Lipovets/Odessa),
NEPOMNYATSHY(Voznesensk/Odessa)
TRACHTENBERG(Gritsev/Starykonstantinov/Odessa/Vienna/Belgium), FURMAN
(Pyatkovko/Odessa),
FINGERHUT/FINGERET (Ananyev/Voznesensk/Odessa), MEDNIK/WILDMAN (Berdichev)


Ellis Island Database Restored! #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Dear Friends,

JewishGen has, once again, come to the assistance of roots
researchers by signing an agreement with the Ellis Island Foundation
that allows full restoration of Stephen Morse's fantastic search aids
to Ellis Island records. For those of you who don't subscribe to
Gary Mokotoff's bulletins, here's his report including a description
of the the special feature that JewishGen's Michael Tobias and
Stephen Morse developed for searching Jewish immigrants.

To ensure that JewishGen can continue to provide this kind of service
on behalf of us all and to show your appreciation for the restoration
of this vital resource, please make a donation today. As of October
18 we have raised $111,081 toward the $300,000 needed by the year's
end. Click on http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/ and
follow the instructions to make your contribution.

Vivian

At 8:11 AM -0400 10/22/02, info@avotaynu.com wrote:
Morse/Ellis Island Dispute Resolved
===================================
The dispute between Stephen Morse and the Statue of Liberty/Ellis Island
Foundation (SLEIF) has been resolved. JewishGen has signed a contractual
agreement with SLEIF to "provide enhanced search capabilities for the Ellis
Island Database." The immediate benefit is the reestablishment of the full
functionality of Morse's "Searching the Ellis Island Database in One-Step"
at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB.

The negotiation between JewishGen and SLEIF was done in rather quick time.
It was less than two months ago that SLEIF approached Morse with complaints
about his site and proposed that there be a contractual relationship between
him and the Foundation. Morse decided he did not want to go through the
hassle which would involve lawyers and negotiations. Instead he elected to
shut down his site. Avotaynu came to the rescue with the interim solution of
making available his Main Page, which provided the One Step capability. At
about the same time, JewishGen approached both Morse and SLEIF and, upon
discovering what SLEIF was offering Morse, decided they were willing to
accept the essence of the SLEIF proposal. JewishGen is used to negotiating
with institutions and has lawyers to advise them.

The reestablishment of all the Morse functionality at the JewishGen site
hopefully is the tip of the iceberg. It includes the One Step Page, the
Missing Manifest Page and the so-called Jewish Page. The Missing Manifest
page, in actuality, is an embarrassment to the SLEIF technicians. It exists
only because the Ellis Island database site, located at
http://www.ellisislandrecords.org, sometimes does not display the actual
ship's manifests. Hopefully, this will motivate them now to clean up the
problem.

More significant is the so-called Jewish page. It provides functionality
that does not exist in the SLEIF system. Properly this functionality should
be made available over the entire Ellis Island database. As examples, it
should be possible to search for town of ancestry for any immigrant ethnic
group. Soundex searching would solve a host of misspelling problems that
exist in the database.
My personal experience is that the Jewish Page has such powerful search
capabilities that if you know enough about your immigrant
ancestor--approximate year of birth (within five years), sex, marital
status, approximate year of arrival (within ten years)--in many instances,
you need not specify the person's name--only the initial letter of last
name.
The functionality on the Jewish page includes:
1. Ability to search first and/or last name using the Daitch-Mokotoff
soundex system.
2. Ability to search first and/or last name by contained strings (e.g.,
searching for all last names that contain "berg", or that contain "koto" and
finding "Mokotoff").
3. Ability to search by town (including starts with, sounds like, or
contains functionality).
4. Ability to search by year of birth. The Main Morse search
form relies on
the limited ability of the Ellis Island database to search by range of age
at time of arrival. It is more likely that the searcher knows the
approximate year of birth and approximate year of arrival. The ability to
search by year of birth is a very valuable feature because it allows you to
restrict the number of hits considerably. For example, if you know that an
ancestor was born between 1880 and 1885 and arrived at Ellis Island between
1900 and 1910, using the limited Ellis Island database functionality, you
would need to compute his age at arrival as between 15 (1900-1885) and 30
(1910-1880). That 15 year span will produce many false hits. But if instead
you entered his year of birth which had only a 5 year span, you will get
many fewer hits.
5. Ability to search by marital status.
6. Ability to specify the number of hits per page. The New
Format function
on the Main Morse page, developed by Yves Goulnik, provides comparable
function, but only for four values: 25, 50, 75, and 100. The Jewish form
lets you enter any value you want so you can see all your hits at once, even
if it is in the thousands.
7. Ability to search by arrival day and/or month. The Main Morse search
form only allows you to search by arrival year.
8. Ability to specify any port name. The Main Morse search
form only has a
partial set of ports >from which you must chose. Ability to search for ports
by leading characters or by contained strings.
9. Ability to search for ship's name by leading characters.
The Main Morse
search form requires that you specify the name of the boat exactly, and even
then you might not get a match because of the way the boat keys were entered
in the database.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Ellis Island Database Restored! #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Dear Friends,

JewishGen has, once again, come to the assistance of roots
researchers by signing an agreement with the Ellis Island Foundation
that allows full restoration of Stephen Morse's fantastic search aids
to Ellis Island records. For those of you who don't subscribe to
Gary Mokotoff's bulletins, here's his report including a description
of the the special feature that JewishGen's Michael Tobias and
Stephen Morse developed for searching Jewish immigrants.

To ensure that JewishGen can continue to provide this kind of service
on behalf of us all and to show your appreciation for the restoration
of this vital resource, please make a donation today. As of October
18 we have raised $111,081 toward the $300,000 needed by the year's
end. Click on http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/ and
follow the instructions to make your contribution.

Vivian

At 8:11 AM -0400 10/22/02, info@avotaynu.com wrote:
Morse/Ellis Island Dispute Resolved
===================================
The dispute between Stephen Morse and the Statue of Liberty/Ellis Island
Foundation (SLEIF) has been resolved. JewishGen has signed a contractual
agreement with SLEIF to "provide enhanced search capabilities for the Ellis
Island Database." The immediate benefit is the reestablishment of the full
functionality of Morse's "Searching the Ellis Island Database in One-Step"
at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB.

The negotiation between JewishGen and SLEIF was done in rather quick time.
It was less than two months ago that SLEIF approached Morse with complaints
about his site and proposed that there be a contractual relationship between
him and the Foundation. Morse decided he did not want to go through the
hassle which would involve lawyers and negotiations. Instead he elected to
shut down his site. Avotaynu came to the rescue with the interim solution of
making available his Main Page, which provided the One Step capability. At
about the same time, JewishGen approached both Morse and SLEIF and, upon
discovering what SLEIF was offering Morse, decided they were willing to
accept the essence of the SLEIF proposal. JewishGen is used to negotiating
with institutions and has lawyers to advise them.

The reestablishment of all the Morse functionality at the JewishGen site
hopefully is the tip of the iceberg. It includes the One Step Page, the
Missing Manifest Page and the so-called Jewish Page. The Missing Manifest
page, in actuality, is an embarrassment to the SLEIF technicians. It exists
only because the Ellis Island database site, located at
http://www.ellisislandrecords.org, sometimes does not display the actual
ship's manifests. Hopefully, this will motivate them now to clean up the
problem.

More significant is the so-called Jewish page. It provides functionality
that does not exist in the SLEIF system. Properly this functionality should
be made available over the entire Ellis Island database. As examples, it
should be possible to search for town of ancestry for any immigrant ethnic
group. Soundex searching would solve a host of misspelling problems that
exist in the database.
My personal experience is that the Jewish Page has such powerful search
capabilities that if you know enough about your immigrant
ancestor--approximate year of birth (within five years), sex, marital
status, approximate year of arrival (within ten years)--in many instances,
you need not specify the person's name--only the initial letter of last
name.
The functionality on the Jewish page includes:
1. Ability to search first and/or last name using the Daitch-Mokotoff
soundex system.
2. Ability to search first and/or last name by contained strings (e.g.,
searching for all last names that contain "berg", or that contain "koto" and
finding "Mokotoff").
3. Ability to search by town (including starts with, sounds like, or
contains functionality).
4. Ability to search by year of birth. The Main Morse search
form relies on
the limited ability of the Ellis Island database to search by range of age
at time of arrival. It is more likely that the searcher knows the
approximate year of birth and approximate year of arrival. The ability to
search by year of birth is a very valuable feature because it allows you to
restrict the number of hits considerably. For example, if you know that an
ancestor was born between 1880 and 1885 and arrived at Ellis Island between
1900 and 1910, using the limited Ellis Island database functionality, you
would need to compute his age at arrival as between 15 (1900-1885) and 30
(1910-1880). That 15 year span will produce many false hits. But if instead
you entered his year of birth which had only a 5 year span, you will get
many fewer hits.
5. Ability to search by marital status.
6. Ability to specify the number of hits per page. The New
Format function
on the Main Morse page, developed by Yves Goulnik, provides comparable
function, but only for four values: 25, 50, 75, and 100. The Jewish form
lets you enter any value you want so you can see all your hits at once, even
if it is in the thousands.
7. Ability to search by arrival day and/or month. The Main Morse search
form only allows you to search by arrival year.
8. Ability to specify any port name. The Main Morse search
form only has a
partial set of ports >from which you must chose. Ability to search for ports
by leading characters or by contained strings.
9. Ability to search for ship's name by leading characters.
The Main Morse
search form requires that you specify the name of the boat exactly, and even
then you might not get a match because of the way the boat keys were entered
in the database.


EIDB lookups #general

Barbara Sloan <jeanne4_98@...>
 

To access a second manifest page where one exists, you must either go
forward or backward one page. Some rolls were copied front to back and
some back to front, which accounts for this peculiarity.

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PLEASE NOTE: I have modified my "reply to" address in an effort to avoid
automated spam. If you wish to reply to me, please delete the words "no
spam" >from the "reply to" address above.

Barbara Sloan
New Haven, CT

Searching SLATAS/ZLATIS/SLATIS, SANCTON/SANKTIN/SENKTIN, SLONIMSKY/
SLONIMSKI, PASSIN, WEINGER/WENGER--Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen EIDB lookups #general

Barbara Sloan <jeanne4_98@...>
 

To access a second manifest page where one exists, you must either go
forward or backward one page. Some rolls were copied front to back and
some back to front, which accounts for this peculiarity.

===
PLEASE NOTE: I have modified my "reply to" address in an effort to avoid
automated spam. If you wish to reply to me, please delete the words "no
spam" >from the "reply to" address above.

Barbara Sloan
New Haven, CT

Searching SLATAS/ZLATIS/SLATIS, SANCTON/SANKTIN/SENKTIN, SLONIMSKY/
SLONIMSKI, PASSIN, WEINGER/WENGER--Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, USA