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Three Malka FINKEL'SZTEINs with the same year of birth, all all married to KRONMANs #general

Martin Kronman <mkronman@...>
 

Dear Geners

I have a problem that I want your opinion about: Some time ago I found
two occurances of Malka Finkel'sztein married to two different KRONMAN's
in Zdunska Wola:

1. birth of a son, Chenich in 1872 to Malka Finkel'sztein (year of
birth 1852) and Simeon Kronman (1852) in Zdunska Wola.

2. birth of a son, Benjamin in 1870 to Malka Finkel'sztein (year of
birth 1850) and Motlyan Kronman (1850) in Zdunska Wola.

subsequently I have found two branches of the Kronman family steming from
Benjamin and Chenich respectively.

I don't have a problem with this; I assume that either Motlyan or Simeon
died prior or some time after the birth of their sons and Malka married the
other one. My guess is that Motlyan and Simeon were brothers (common
practice I know for a widow to marry her brother in law), I lean toward
Motlyan as having died first.

More recently I turned up a third Malka record >from Zdunska Wola

3. marriage of a son Majlch in 1894 (his date of birth 1870) to Malka
Finkel'sztein (est year of birth 1847) and Zelman Kronman (est year of
birth 1847)

The Malka looks like the same person who married Simeon and Motlyan. Did
she marry three distinct husbands? I doubt it. I could only conclude that
Zelman must be either Simeon or Motlyan with perhaps in one case a middle
given name was used and in another the first given name: example Simeon
Zelman Kronman ; Zelman Simeon Kronman. The given name web site doesnt
show any link of the Simeon to the Zelman name. I can't imagine that
Zelman or Simeon are linked to Motlyan. What is your view of this? Do you
thingkit might be a case of double names as I gave in the example?

I just can't imagine distinct different Malka's having the same year of
birth, nor do three distinct husbands seem likely. I would appreciate your
view of this problem.

with warm regards

Martin J. Kronman
Syracuse, NY

Researching: KRONMAN in Kolo, Konin,
Tuliskow, Warta, Slupca, Kalisz, Zdunska Wola
and Lodz, Poland ;Ukraine; Hungary; United States


Re: What Name is "Lilka" a diminutive of? #general

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Alan Glixman of Australia posted as follows:

"I have a Polish female relative whose first name I know as "Lilka".

Would anyone know what name Lilka might be a diminutive of?"

The Yiddish diminutive name Lilke derives >from the German secular name
Lili. The German name Lili was adopted by a number of Jews in Germany as
the name they used in contacts with non-Jewish Germans. This is one of
about 500 such names used by German Jews during the 19th century. The name
Lili was accepted by the German rabbis as a name to be used as a legal
secular kinui for any Hebrew name that a woman might have had. So for a
woman with the Hebrew name Leya, and using the German secular name Lili,
the name would have appeared in a Get as follows: Leya hamechuna Lili.

These German names were popular among Jews and spread rapidly during the
19th century to Poland and Hungary, and were used there also. The Polish
and Hungarian Jews substituted some local secular names for the German
names in a few cases.

These German, Polish, and Hungarian secular names can be found in the
JewishGen Given Names Data Bases web site at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/search.htm .

Prof. G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Three Malka FINKEL'SZTEINs with the same year of birth, all all married to KRONMANs #general

Martin Kronman <mkronman@...>
 

Dear Geners

I have a problem that I want your opinion about: Some time ago I found
two occurances of Malka Finkel'sztein married to two different KRONMAN's
in Zdunska Wola:

1. birth of a son, Chenich in 1872 to Malka Finkel'sztein (year of
birth 1852) and Simeon Kronman (1852) in Zdunska Wola.

2. birth of a son, Benjamin in 1870 to Malka Finkel'sztein (year of
birth 1850) and Motlyan Kronman (1850) in Zdunska Wola.

subsequently I have found two branches of the Kronman family steming from
Benjamin and Chenich respectively.

I don't have a problem with this; I assume that either Motlyan or Simeon
died prior or some time after the birth of their sons and Malka married the
other one. My guess is that Motlyan and Simeon were brothers (common
practice I know for a widow to marry her brother in law), I lean toward
Motlyan as having died first.

More recently I turned up a third Malka record >from Zdunska Wola

3. marriage of a son Majlch in 1894 (his date of birth 1870) to Malka
Finkel'sztein (est year of birth 1847) and Zelman Kronman (est year of
birth 1847)

The Malka looks like the same person who married Simeon and Motlyan. Did
she marry three distinct husbands? I doubt it. I could only conclude that
Zelman must be either Simeon or Motlyan with perhaps in one case a middle
given name was used and in another the first given name: example Simeon
Zelman Kronman ; Zelman Simeon Kronman. The given name web site doesnt
show any link of the Simeon to the Zelman name. I can't imagine that
Zelman or Simeon are linked to Motlyan. What is your view of this? Do you
thingkit might be a case of double names as I gave in the example?

I just can't imagine distinct different Malka's having the same year of
birth, nor do three distinct husbands seem likely. I would appreciate your
view of this problem.

with warm regards

Martin J. Kronman
Syracuse, NY

Researching: KRONMAN in Kolo, Konin,
Tuliskow, Warta, Slupca, Kalisz, Zdunska Wola
and Lodz, Poland ;Ukraine; Hungary; United States


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: What Name is "Lilka" a diminutive of? #general

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Alan Glixman of Australia posted as follows:

"I have a Polish female relative whose first name I know as "Lilka".

Would anyone know what name Lilka might be a diminutive of?"

The Yiddish diminutive name Lilke derives >from the German secular name
Lili. The German name Lili was adopted by a number of Jews in Germany as
the name they used in contacts with non-Jewish Germans. This is one of
about 500 such names used by German Jews during the 19th century. The name
Lili was accepted by the German rabbis as a name to be used as a legal
secular kinui for any Hebrew name that a woman might have had. So for a
woman with the Hebrew name Leya, and using the German secular name Lili,
the name would have appeared in a Get as follows: Leya hamechuna Lili.

These German names were popular among Jews and spread rapidly during the
19th century to Poland and Hungary, and were used there also. The Polish
and Hungarian Jews substituted some local secular names for the German
names in a few cases.

These German, Polish, and Hungarian secular names can be found in the
JewishGen Given Names Data Bases web site at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/search.htm .

Prof. G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel


Re: Podolia region #ukraine

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

Dear Alexander and List:

Thank you, Alexander, for your offer. Could you give us a little more
information on your connection with Podolia? And your family search
perhaps?

Best,
Michelle Frager, NYC

--- Kolker Alexander <kolker_a@...> wrote:

Hi !

I will glad to introduce with anyone tha doing researching for
Podolia
region

Best Regards Kolker Alexander
kolker_a@...


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Podolia region #ukraine

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

Dear Alexander and List:

Thank you, Alexander, for your offer. Could you give us a little more
information on your connection with Podolia? And your family search
perhaps?

Best,
Michelle Frager, NYC

--- Kolker Alexander <kolker_a@...> wrote:

Hi !

I will glad to introduce with anyone tha doing researching for
Podolia
region

Best Regards Kolker Alexander
kolker_a@...


Re: Chortakov Chassidim #rabbinic

Yoni Ben-Ari <yonatan@...>
 

On 2002.06.27, Avraham Heschel <bict@...> wrote:

Remarkably, many of the descendants of the Chortkover Chasidim have
remained loyal to this group, despite it's having been leaderless
for more than four decades. In the early 1990s followers in Israel
began rallying around two regal and charismatic grandsons of R' Dov
Ber, [...] the two brothers [...] refused to accept the title of
Rebbe. [...]
In the mid 1990s a new Chortkover Shtibel was founded in Antwerp,
Belgium, which in addition to a Shtibel in Jerusalem, remain the
only remnants of a movement of tens of thousands.
Dear Group,

Recently we spent Shabbat in Tzfat. While walking through the old
city, there I passed a building which said on it Bet Midrash
dwchassidei Chortkov. I expectedlly was very excited and asked
around the neighborhood who was responsible for/gabai of the shul.
I was told that they daven there on Shabbat but not daily and given
the name of the gabai, a Meir Mendelson.

After calling and introducing myself as a greatgrandson of a
Chortoker Chosid who had lived in Tveria, I was forwarded to the
gabai of the Chortokov Shtibel in Jerusalem, who confirmed that my
grandmother's brother, David SCHECHTER of Jerusalem and father of
the present world head of Breslov (?) Reb' Yaacov Meir SCHECHTER,
was a staunch Chortokover chosid.

Since you mentioned that one of the previous Rebbes moved to Austria
I am wondering if my greatgrandfather's brother, who I heard moved
to Vienna at some point in the late 19th early 20th was following
his Rebbe (I have no idea when he went to Vienna).

Thank you for the information and if you learn anything else I would
appreciate hearing .

Ktiva Vechatima Tova to one and all

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem/Efrat


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Chortakov Chassidim #rabbinic

Yoni Ben-Ari <yonatan@...>
 

On 2002.06.27, Avraham Heschel <bict@...> wrote:

Remarkably, many of the descendants of the Chortkover Chasidim have
remained loyal to this group, despite it's having been leaderless
for more than four decades. In the early 1990s followers in Israel
began rallying around two regal and charismatic grandsons of R' Dov
Ber, [...] the two brothers [...] refused to accept the title of
Rebbe. [...]
In the mid 1990s a new Chortkover Shtibel was founded in Antwerp,
Belgium, which in addition to a Shtibel in Jerusalem, remain the
only remnants of a movement of tens of thousands.
Dear Group,

Recently we spent Shabbat in Tzfat. While walking through the old
city, there I passed a building which said on it Bet Midrash
dwchassidei Chortkov. I expectedlly was very excited and asked
around the neighborhood who was responsible for/gabai of the shul.
I was told that they daven there on Shabbat but not daily and given
the name of the gabai, a Meir Mendelson.

After calling and introducing myself as a greatgrandson of a
Chortoker Chosid who had lived in Tveria, I was forwarded to the
gabai of the Chortokov Shtibel in Jerusalem, who confirmed that my
grandmother's brother, David SCHECHTER of Jerusalem and father of
the present world head of Breslov (?) Reb' Yaacov Meir SCHECHTER,
was a staunch Chortokover chosid.

Since you mentioned that one of the previous Rebbes moved to Austria
I am wondering if my greatgrandfather's brother, who I heard moved
to Vienna at some point in the late 19th early 20th was following
his Rebbe (I have no idea when he went to Vienna).

Thank you for the information and if you learn anything else I would
appreciate hearing .

Ktiva Vechatima Tova to one and all

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem/Efrat


Podolia region #ukraine

Kolker Alexander <kolker_a@...>
 

Hi !

I will glad to introduce with anyone tha doing researching for Podolia
region

Best Regards Kolker Alexander
kolker_a@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE:
Please remember to send all messages in PLAIN TEXT only!!


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Podolia region #ukraine

Kolker Alexander <kolker_a@...>
 

Hi !

I will glad to introduce with anyone tha doing researching for Podolia
region

Best Regards Kolker Alexander
kolker_a@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE:
Please remember to send all messages in PLAIN TEXT only!!


LOOKING FOR NISSENSON #ukraine

Nisha Chirnomas <nchirnomas@...>
 

I am looking for any NISSENSON descendants >from Olgopol, Ukraine.

My grandfather was NISAN NISSENSON, who was born in Olgopol, April 1, 1873.
He was the son of Avraham. He married my grandmother, ROSE KLEIMAN, in
Balta, Ukraine on Dec. 31, 1899. She was the daughter of Moishe. Family
immigrated to Montreal in 1904.

My grandfather had cousins by the name of NISSENSON as well. Rev/Rabbi
Samuel NISSENSON, wife Anna, who immigrated to Minneapolis.MN. Samuel was
the son of Jihiel. Anna was the daughter of Aaron Gillerman. Also from
Olgopol. I understand that their daughter, VERA LYONS, is still living in
the St. Paul area. She had 3 children: Barbara Eve Lyons-Gates, Lisa Lyons,
and David Jeremy Lyons.

I am trying to locate these cousins. Anything familiar?

Please email me at nchirnomas@...

Thanks everyone.
Nisha Chirnomas
Scottsdale, AZ

RESEARCHING:
NISSENSON = Olgopol, Ukraine
KLEIMAN = Balta, Ukraine
MELAMED & LEVIN = Svisloch, Belarus
FUKS/FOX = Svisloch, Belarus
KARP = Poland
CHERNOMAZ = Uman, Ukraine


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine LOOKING FOR NISSENSON #ukraine

Nisha Chirnomas <nchirnomas@...>
 

I am looking for any NISSENSON descendants >from Olgopol, Ukraine.

My grandfather was NISAN NISSENSON, who was born in Olgopol, April 1, 1873.
He was the son of Avraham. He married my grandmother, ROSE KLEIMAN, in
Balta, Ukraine on Dec. 31, 1899. She was the daughter of Moishe. Family
immigrated to Montreal in 1904.

My grandfather had cousins by the name of NISSENSON as well. Rev/Rabbi
Samuel NISSENSON, wife Anna, who immigrated to Minneapolis.MN. Samuel was
the son of Jihiel. Anna was the daughter of Aaron Gillerman. Also from
Olgopol. I understand that their daughter, VERA LYONS, is still living in
the St. Paul area. She had 3 children: Barbara Eve Lyons-Gates, Lisa Lyons,
and David Jeremy Lyons.

I am trying to locate these cousins. Anything familiar?

Please email me at nchirnomas@...

Thanks everyone.
Nisha Chirnomas
Scottsdale, AZ

RESEARCHING:
NISSENSON = Olgopol, Ukraine
KLEIMAN = Balta, Ukraine
MELAMED & LEVIN = Svisloch, Belarus
FUKS/FOX = Svisloch, Belarus
KARP = Poland
CHERNOMAZ = Uman, Ukraine


Cohans #general

KIPABOY@...
 

Is anyone doing any research into recording the Cohans(preists that came
from Moses' brother Aaron) ?
My grandfather and his family claimed to be >from this group.
I would appreciated any info that you might have. Thank you, Marc Nomberg

MODERATOR NOTE: Also try the JewishGen Discussion Group Archives at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~archpop>.
Cohan (or Kohan) research has been discussed in the past and you
may find some interesting posts.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cohans #general

KIPABOY@...
 

Is anyone doing any research into recording the Cohans(preists that came
from Moses' brother Aaron) ?
My grandfather and his family claimed to be >from this group.
I would appreciated any info that you might have. Thank you, Marc Nomberg

MODERATOR NOTE: Also try the JewishGen Discussion Group Archives at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~archpop>.
Cohan (or Kohan) research has been discussed in the past and you
may find some interesting posts.


Viewmate 1654: Yiddish Postcard from Poland to Paris #general

Richard Cooper <ric@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Thank you so much for your kindness in helping me to translate this
postcard. Wudja believe it - it's a Shana Tova card >from exactly 100
years ago! The postmark on the back is dated 17 IX 02, which I
interpret as 17 September 1902. The writer sends good wishes to his
sister-in-law >from himself, his wife, children and mother.
The post town is illegible apart >from the initial letters 'BAP...' which
I deduce to be Warszawa. It is addressed to Madame
MATELEVITCH who must be Anna MATELEVITCH
nee DANCYGER (Rawa Ruska1858-Paris 1906).
It looks as though the writer is a brother of Anna's husband Joseph
MATELEVITCH, my great-grand-uncle. This card is one of a pair:
the other is written in French, also sent >from Warszawa, to Joseph
MATELEVITCH >from his mother. Interesting that the mother writes
in perfect French while the son writes in Yiddish. She says poignantly
that she has not yet given up hope of seeing her grandchildren.
I do not know if she ever did.
Please accept this card on Viewmate 1654 as my antiquarian Shana
Tova to genners and their families everywhere!

Best wishes
Ric Cooper
Gosport, U K


WISHNEFSKY in Nezhin #general

Herbert Lazerow
 

Betty Schwartz, your old e-mail bounces. Please contact Bert
Lazerow, lazer@..., about the WISHNEFSKY family in
Nezhin Ukraine.
Bert
Herbert Lazerow
San Diego CA
lazer@...


Re: Seeking records about Polish doctors before & during the war #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"Alan Glixman" <alan.glixman@...> wrote

Hello

I have a family member, Marysia (Mira) HONIGSTOCK (nee BROKMAN) born 1907
in Lodz who was a paediatrician (a child specialist). Marysia did not
survive the war.

In the few years before the war I know she lived and worked in Krosno,
Poland. She was in Krosno in 1941 (as shown in the JewishGen Holocaust
database). She *may* also afterwards have been in the Lodz Ghetto,
perhaps even as late as 1944.

Firstly, I am wondering if there are any civil records for Polish
doctors that might be available for the years before the war (or
records >from some professional medical associations)?

Secondly, I am wondering if there is any documentation of doctors who
worked in either the Krosno Ghetto or Lodz Ghetto?

Any help or advice would be gratefully accepted.

Regards

Alan Glixman
Sydney, Australia
Alan,

I am not aware of any available through the Net data compilation on Polish
medical association (s) or the practicing medical doctors prior to WWII.
If Marysia has compted her medical studies in Poland prior to 1939 you may
try to reach those univirsities mrdical schools.

To my best knowledge, main Polish Universities prior to WWII were in:

1.Krakow (Yagiellonian University) - Uniwersytet Jagiellonski
2. Warsaw University - Uniwersytet Warszawski

and two Universities that are now located in Ukraine and Lithuania

3. Lwow- Uniwersytet im. Jana Kazimierza
4.Wilna- Uniwersytet im. Stefana Batorego

It is also possible that Marysia has studied medicine abroad since in the
interwar Poland existed racist "quota" system restricting Jews to enter the
universities (Numerus nulus and numerus clausus).

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Canada


Warsaw telephone book -- 1960s #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

I am (still) trying to find a cousin in Warsaw--a person by the name of
Piotr Zalewksi. I am exploring a number of different avenues to find him.

I know that his mother (Wladyslawa Zalewska) lived in Warsaw, and died
there in Warsaw 1968.

I am trying to find a Warsaw phone book >from around 1966 or 1967. Does
anyone know how I can do this?

Dan

P.S. Some details of my search:

http://www.kazez.com/~dan/0414.tel/

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@wittedu>
Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland: TALMAN, ENGLANDER, JURKIEWICZ, STRAUSBERG, KIFER, CZAPNIK, BRODA,
SZEWCZYK, LEWKOWICZ, SZPALTYN, OFMAN, ZYLBERBERG, KRZEPICKI, LUKS,
MOSZKOWICZ, STROZ, SZWIMER, GUTMAN, PESACH
http://www.kazez.com/~dan/englander/


Re: jewishgen digest: August 17, 2002 #general

luftman1@...
 

<< Subject: Where would I find naturalization and citizenship applications?
From: "Cory Streisinger" <corys@...> >>

For a more complete answer, see the Jewishgen FAQ item 12 at
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html

Using the INS is a last resort. First look to NARA (in the region of
interest), then State Archives.

Al Luftman luftman1@... Natick, MA


"A Yiddish World Remembered" #general

SelmaN@...
 

In the Philadelphia PA USA area - Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 8:00 PM,
on WHYY, Channel 12

Selma Neubauer
Jenkintown, PA USA
SelmaN@...