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Re: No response #general

Joan Parker <housemom@...>
 

Sally is right. Don't toss the baby out with the bath water. I've lived
at the same address since 1949 so if anybody had that address, or just my
name and looked me up in the phone book, there I'd be...53 years in the
same house. So what if a letter gets returned, at least you know it is not
valid, but on the other hand....they might still live there.

Same with emails. I've had the same email address for over eight years
and if I ever had to change it for whatever reason, it would be notified
on the various lists to which I belong. Even when I send an email and it
gets bounced back I will resend it anyway...sometimes the ISP has a hiccup
and bounces it back but it goes through the next time.

Joan Parker
Miami, FL
Searching: GOLDBERG and GOODSTEIN-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY; PINKUS and
WINOGRAD-Odessa, Ukraine and Brooklyn, NY; GELFAND-Minsk and Bronx, NY; YEHUDIS;
KATZ, Bronx, NY


Yes, it is correct that the more recent email address is most likely to
work, writing to many email addresses is no more trouble, costs no more,
and you don't know whether the new address or the old address is the
person you need. Why restrict yourself?

In addition, unlike sales where you are looking to contact the most
people in an eight hour day, in genealogy you want to contact your family-
whether it takes a day, a week, or a month. So if you have a lead (an old
email address), you want to keep trying-even if the person entered the
information a long time ago. I have written to snail mail addresses
which people have not contacted for years, in hopes of contacting that
person- sometime successfully sometimes not. If the letter is returned, I
would try looking up the name in an online directory or calling the phone
number. I have written to many people with the right surname in the
right town, hoping to hit a cousin.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY


California search--telephone directory #general

suesmithe1 <suesmithe1@...>
 

Hi: I am looking for Zelda BAND who used to live on XXX Church St.
Mountain View California. She might not be listed in the phone book. Her
son Iver BAND is listed in the white pages in Sunnyvale, but that number
is no longer available.

Thanks
Sue Smithe
New York email:suesmithe1@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.


Bernice GREEN KAISER, Brooklyn #general

Joel Ives <jives@...>
 

Looking for any information about Bernice GREEN KAISER who had a child
in 1932 in the Churchill Sanitarium, Marcy Avenue, Brooklyn, N.Y.

Joel Ives
Fair Lawn, New Jersey


Re: Need Hebrew translation of my surnames #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 9/18/2002 9:32:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pgosl@ev1.net writes:

<< I would like to be able to identify my family surnames in Hebrew in an
old film, if possible, and am a total novice with the Hebrew alphabet. Is
this too ambitious for me? I'm willing to try, if the printing is
legible.
==Ambitious, but can be done. However, you must realize that most of the
names you list are German or Yiddish; nevertheless, they will all use the
Hebrew alphabet. The spelling in Hebrew letters will vary also according
to the *version* of the name, e.g. is it Isaac or Yitzhak, Jacob or
Ya`akov?

Printed (and engraved) Hebrew comes in various fonts but once you have the
hang of it, you can probably read the letters in just about any of these
fonts. The difficulty lies in distinguishing the various letter of the
alphabet, thus the letters for B and K look identical to the untrained
eyes as do the letters for D and R, H and Ch, G and N, S and M and quite a
few other combination.

Most desk dictionaries and encyclopedias have guides to the Hebrew
alphabet. Find them under Alphabet. You would do well to scan the page and
enlarge it, so that you can tell letters apart by the often minor
differences.

I can recommend a newly published chart specially made for genealogists,
that shows clearly all the distinctions between similar-looking letters,
gives a dozen fonts for comparison, gives letter equivalents, explains the
basics of the Hebrew alphabet and Hebrew dates, and has a table that will
allow you to roughly transliterate a name >from *English* into Hebrew
spellings that are common among Ashkenazi Jews (and, slightly more
roughly, Sefardi Jews). The chart measures 8=BD x 11 inches, 4 pages,
perforated for 3-ring notebook, and laminated for toughness and protection
against cemetery mud.

If you are looking to read cursive script, you're in trouble. Like
*English* cursive script, it varies by the decade, the locality and the
individual person and it requires much familiarity with the script before
you can become anything near fluent in reading it--and even then, it is
often challenging to the expert, too (can you read your physician's
prescriptions?--your pharmacist will probably need to call him to make
cllear some of the letters and instructions

If you'll write to me privately I can tell you how to get a copy of this
chart.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@aol.com>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: No response #general

Joan Parker <housemom@...>
 

Sally is right. Don't toss the baby out with the bath water. I've lived
at the same address since 1949 so if anybody had that address, or just my
name and looked me up in the phone book, there I'd be...53 years in the
same house. So what if a letter gets returned, at least you know it is not
valid, but on the other hand....they might still live there.

Same with emails. I've had the same email address for over eight years
and if I ever had to change it for whatever reason, it would be notified
on the various lists to which I belong. Even when I send an email and it
gets bounced back I will resend it anyway...sometimes the ISP has a hiccup
and bounces it back but it goes through the next time.

Joan Parker
Miami, FL
Searching: GOLDBERG and GOODSTEIN-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY; PINKUS and
WINOGRAD-Odessa, Ukraine and Brooklyn, NY; GELFAND-Minsk and Bronx, NY; YEHUDIS;
KATZ, Bronx, NY


Yes, it is correct that the more recent email address is most likely to
work, writing to many email addresses is no more trouble, costs no more,
and you don't know whether the new address or the old address is the
person you need. Why restrict yourself?

In addition, unlike sales where you are looking to contact the most
people in an eight hour day, in genealogy you want to contact your family-
whether it takes a day, a week, or a month. So if you have a lead (an old
email address), you want to keep trying-even if the person entered the
information a long time ago. I have written to snail mail addresses
which people have not contacted for years, in hopes of contacting that
person- sometime successfully sometimes not. If the letter is returned, I
would try looking up the name in an online directory or calling the phone
number. I have written to many people with the right surname in the
right town, hoping to hit a cousin.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen California search--telephone directory #general

suesmithe1 <suesmithe1@...>
 

Hi: I am looking for Zelda BAND who used to live on XXX Church St.
Mountain View California. She might not be listed in the phone book. Her
son Iver BAND is listed in the white pages in Sunnyvale, but that number
is no longer available.

Thanks
Sue Smithe
New York email:suesmithe1@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bernice GREEN KAISER, Brooklyn #general

Joel Ives <jives@...>
 

Looking for any information about Bernice GREEN KAISER who had a child
in 1932 in the Churchill Sanitarium, Marcy Avenue, Brooklyn, N.Y.

Joel Ives
Fair Lawn, New Jersey


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Need Hebrew translation of my surnames #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 9/18/2002 9:32:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pgosl@ev1.net writes:

<< I would like to be able to identify my family surnames in Hebrew in an
old film, if possible, and am a total novice with the Hebrew alphabet. Is
this too ambitious for me? I'm willing to try, if the printing is
legible.
==Ambitious, but can be done. However, you must realize that most of the
names you list are German or Yiddish; nevertheless, they will all use the
Hebrew alphabet. The spelling in Hebrew letters will vary also according
to the *version* of the name, e.g. is it Isaac or Yitzhak, Jacob or
Ya`akov?

Printed (and engraved) Hebrew comes in various fonts but once you have the
hang of it, you can probably read the letters in just about any of these
fonts. The difficulty lies in distinguishing the various letter of the
alphabet, thus the letters for B and K look identical to the untrained
eyes as do the letters for D and R, H and Ch, G and N, S and M and quite a
few other combination.

Most desk dictionaries and encyclopedias have guides to the Hebrew
alphabet. Find them under Alphabet. You would do well to scan the page and
enlarge it, so that you can tell letters apart by the often minor
differences.

I can recommend a newly published chart specially made for genealogists,
that shows clearly all the distinctions between similar-looking letters,
gives a dozen fonts for comparison, gives letter equivalents, explains the
basics of the Hebrew alphabet and Hebrew dates, and has a table that will
allow you to roughly transliterate a name >from *English* into Hebrew
spellings that are common among Ashkenazi Jews (and, slightly more
roughly, Sefardi Jews). The chart measures 8=BD x 11 inches, 4 pages,
perforated for 3-ring notebook, and laminated for toughness and protection
against cemetery mud.

If you are looking to read cursive script, you're in trouble. Like
*English* cursive script, it varies by the decade, the locality and the
individual person and it requires much familiarity with the script before
you can become anything near fluent in reading it--and even then, it is
often challenging to the expert, too (can you read your physician's
prescriptions?--your pharmacist will probably need to call him to make
cllear some of the letters and instructions

If you'll write to me privately I can tell you how to get a copy of this
chart.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@aol.com>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Pre WWI Polish Rabbis #general

AviDov@...
 

My maternal grandfather, Rav Shlomo Dovid BRZESKOVSKI of Wloclavek was
a Mizrach delegate to the 5th World Zionist Congress in Basel,Switzerland
in late December 1905. I have read his cogent remarks at several sessions,
as recorded in the Central Archives of the WZC in Jerusalem.

Several years later,he was offered the pulpit at Cong.Tifferet Israel,
Jersey City,where some of his children had preced him.He served there with
great distinction,until his death in 1935.

For some reason,which I am not aware of,his surname was changed to POSNER,
probably before leaving Poland.I know Wloclawek (on the Vistula River) is
near Posnan (Posen),but would that be a valid reason for the name change ?

Can any of our JGenners hazard an educated guess?

Chagim U'Zmanim B'Sasson

Abe Nutkis
Jersey City NJ


Re: Family POP #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 9/18/2002 9:26:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ramon@planet.nl writes:

<< Does anybody have information about family POP in the netherlands and
partly in Germany >>

==In some cases the name points to a former residence in the city of
FrankFurt on the Main river in Germany, an important Jewish center, which
was abbreviated in Hebrew as Phe"Pheh, [sounded out as Pap or Pop]. The
Popper family of Bohemia (assumed by many to hail >from Frankfurt), were
leaders of the Jewish community and acted as agents for the government

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@aol.com>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Pre WWI Polish Rabbis #general

AviDov@...
 

My maternal grandfather, Rav Shlomo Dovid BRZESKOVSKI of Wloclavek was
a Mizrach delegate to the 5th World Zionist Congress in Basel,Switzerland
in late December 1905. I have read his cogent remarks at several sessions,
as recorded in the Central Archives of the WZC in Jerusalem.

Several years later,he was offered the pulpit at Cong.Tifferet Israel,
Jersey City,where some of his children had preced him.He served there with
great distinction,until his death in 1935.

For some reason,which I am not aware of,his surname was changed to POSNER,
probably before leaving Poland.I know Wloclawek (on the Vistula River) is
near Posnan (Posen),but would that be a valid reason for the name change ?

Can any of our JGenners hazard an educated guess?

Chagim U'Zmanim B'Sasson

Abe Nutkis
Jersey City NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Family POP #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 9/18/2002 9:26:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ramon@planet.nl writes:

<< Does anybody have information about family POP in the netherlands and
partly in Germany >>

==In some cases the name points to a former residence in the city of
FrankFurt on the Main river in Germany, an important Jewish center, which
was abbreviated in Hebrew as Phe"Pheh, [sounded out as Pap or Pop]. The
Popper family of Bohemia (assumed by many to hail >from Frankfurt), were
leaders of the Jewish community and acted as agents for the government

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@aol.com>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JGS of Broward County, Florida Meeting, September 25, 2002 #general

kasakaplan@...
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Broward County, Florida is pleased to
invite you to our next meeting
Wednesday September 25th at 7:30 PM at the
Posnack Jewish Community Center
5850 South Pine Island Road (corner of Stirling Road)
Davie, Florida

In June, we issued the challenge and now we're going to witness the
results. Armed with information >from the meeting, members sallied forth to
conquest the 1930 U.S. Census. Did they win, or were they foiled by the
lack of index or not knowing the address of their family in 1930?

Come and find out how they began and the steps they followed to lead them
to the information they needed. *Did They Get the Most >from the 1930 U.S.
Census?* is the topic for the next meeting of the JGSBC.

Find out how they faced the challenges. You'll find out how you can follow
their lead, duplicate their methodology, and get copies of the 1930 census
page that lists your family.

Admission is free. We welcome all members and non-members to join us for
an informative evening.

For any additional information, driving instructions or transportation, please call
954 791-4701 or visit our website at www.jgsbroward.org/

Submitted by.
Elaine Kaplan, Secretary
Jewish Genealogical Society of Broward County, Inc.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Broward County, Florida Meeting, September 25, 2002 #general

kasakaplan@...
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Broward County, Florida is pleased to
invite you to our next meeting
Wednesday September 25th at 7:30 PM at the
Posnack Jewish Community Center
5850 South Pine Island Road (corner of Stirling Road)
Davie, Florida

In June, we issued the challenge and now we're going to witness the
results. Armed with information >from the meeting, members sallied forth to
conquest the 1930 U.S. Census. Did they win, or were they foiled by the
lack of index or not knowing the address of their family in 1930?

Come and find out how they began and the steps they followed to lead them
to the information they needed. *Did They Get the Most >from the 1930 U.S.
Census?* is the topic for the next meeting of the JGSBC.

Find out how they faced the challenges. You'll find out how you can follow
their lead, duplicate their methodology, and get copies of the 1930 census
page that lists your family.

Admission is free. We welcome all members and non-members to join us for
an informative evening.

For any additional information, driving instructions or transportation, please call
954 791-4701 or visit our website at www.jgsbroward.org/

Submitted by.
Elaine Kaplan, Secretary
Jewish Genealogical Society of Broward County, Inc.


Re: Given names #germany

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Connie Fisher Newhan posted as follows:

"2. Could Buzie, Buzi, Buzia and Buzi v Bruche all be the same person?
Could that be the same as Bertha?"

This name set is for a female in Ukraine. I have so far found these names
to have been used only in the Ukraine.

I do realize that Alfred Kolatch in his book "The Complete Dictionary of
English and Hebrew First Names" gives the names BUZ (Genesis 22:21) and
BUZI (Ezekiel 1:13) as names used by males, but I have never seen these
names used for males in any one of the fifteen European countries for which
I have been preparing the Given Names Data Bases. On the other hand, I
have seen the set of names Buzye, Buzi, and Buz used for a female in
Ukraine, but in no other European country. In one instance, a person with
one of these Yiddish names in Ukraine adopted the English name Vivian upon
immigration to the US (go figure!).

A somewhat similar name BUSYE was used as a variant of the Yiddish name
Bune (and its other variations) in Eastern European countries, again for a
female.

Prof. G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Given names #ukraine

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Connie Fisher Newhan posted as follows:

"2. Could Buzie, Buzi, Buzia and Buzi v Bruche all be the same person?
Could that be the same as Bertha?"

This name set is for a female in Ukraine. I have so far found these names
to have been used only in the Ukraine.

I do realize that Alfred Kolatch in his book "The Complete Dictionary of
English and Hebrew First Names" gives the names BUZ (Genesis 22:21) and
BUZI (Ezekiel 1:13) as names used by males, but I have never seen these
names used for males in any one of the fifteen European countries for which
I have been preparing the Given Names Data Bases. On the other hand, I
have seen the set of names Buzye, Buzi, and Buz used for a female in
Ukraine, but in no other European country. In one instance, a person with
one of these Yiddish names in Ukraine adopted the English name Vivian upon
immigration to the US (go figure!).

A somewhat similar name BUSYE was used as a variant of the Yiddish name
Bune (and its other variations) in Eastern European countries, again for a
female.

Prof. G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel


JGS of Long Island Meeting #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

The JGS of Long Island invites you to attend our September meeting.

Our topic will be *Summer Roundup: News >from Toronto and other Genealogy
Adventures* Members, including Burt Masnick, Rhoda Miller, Nina Sitron
and Renee Steinig, who attended the August International Conference on
Jewish Genealogy will report on new cemetery and vital records indexing
projects, new research strategies, personal finds, networking and much
more >from the conference. The 520 page Conference Syllabus will be on
display.

Date: Tuesday, Sept 24, 2002
Time: 7:30PM
Place: Sunrise Assisted Living (Dining Room)
1231 Old Country Road Plainview, New York
(We are only at this facility in Sept.)

Upcoming meetings will be held at our usual meeting place, the Mid-Island Y
JCC in Plainview.

Admission is free and all are welcome. Bring a sandwich and we'll provide
beverages and dessert. Our Mavens will be available >from 7:00 pm to
tackle your questions.

For more information and directions please contact, Rhoda, rmiller871.

Jackie Wasserstein
Past President


San Francisco Bay Area JGS Meeting 9/22/02 #general

Jerome Jacobson <drjj@...>
 

Topic: Highlights of the 22nd International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy

Speakers: Panel of JGS Members

Date: Sunday, September 22

Time: Doors Open 12:30 PM
Program begins 1:00 PM

Location: Fort Mason Center
Building C, Rm 235
Marina Blvd at Buchanan St
San Francisco


Re: Sefardim in Ashkenaz territory #galicia

Mila Begun <mmbegun@...>
 

There is a persistent family myth that our ORLIK family >from Talnoye,
Ukraine, was originally >from Spain, via Denmark. Of course, grains of
salt must be taken with this story since it alledgedly comes >from "crazy
Aunt Rose." Discounted as totally untrue by most of the family because
of the source, it may actually contain some elements of truth.

It's very hard to prove now that our origin was in Spain, but I'm still
trying. One possible (or fantasized) clue is our name, ORLIK, which is
not a very common name for Jews in Eastern Europe, although you do come
across it in Poland. Most of the ORLIKs I've found in my research are
Catholic and >from Czechoslovakia.

ORLIK in Russian, Ukrainian and Polish means "eagle," or as some Russian
friends have advised, ahem, a very small eagle. (Maybe it's only a
chicken hawk???) The word for eagle in Spanish is Aquila. My fantasy
is that the Aquila family changed their name to the equivalent word in
Russian when they arrived. I may never find the truth, but it's a
satisfying imagined scenario.

Mila Begun in NYC

Researching: ORLIK, TALANSKY, ELLIS, YELLISHAVETSKY, BRODSKY from
Talnoye (Talna in Yiddish)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Long Island Meeting #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

The JGS of Long Island invites you to attend our September meeting.

Our topic will be *Summer Roundup: News >from Toronto and other Genealogy
Adventures* Members, including Burt Masnick, Rhoda Miller, Nina Sitron
and Renee Steinig, who attended the August International Conference on
Jewish Genealogy will report on new cemetery and vital records indexing
projects, new research strategies, personal finds, networking and much
more >from the conference. The 520 page Conference Syllabus will be on
display.

Date: Tuesday, Sept 24, 2002
Time: 7:30PM
Place: Sunrise Assisted Living (Dining Room)
1231 Old Country Road Plainview, New York
(We are only at this facility in Sept.)

Upcoming meetings will be held at our usual meeting place, the Mid-Island Y
JCC in Plainview.

Admission is free and all are welcome. Bring a sandwich and we'll provide
beverages and dessert. Our Mavens will be available >from 7:00 pm to
tackle your questions.

For more information and directions please contact, Rhoda, rmiller871.

Jackie Wasserstein
Past President