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Re: latvia digest: August 16, 2002 #latvia

mike getz <mgetz@...>
 

My aunt was married into a family in South Africa with Blumenthal
affiliations in Libau.

Mike Getz
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----- Original Message -----

From: ourabey@...
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:14:41 -0400

Hello Barry:
I was interested in yoour email message because you mention
Blumenthal in Latvia.
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Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: latvia digest: August 16, 2002 #latvia

mike getz <mgetz@...>
 

My aunt was married into a family in South Africa with Blumenthal
affiliations in Libau.

Mike Getz
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----- Original Message -----

From: ourabey@...
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:14:41 -0400

Hello Barry:
I was interested in yoour email message because you mention
Blumenthal in Latvia.
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Re: Research Success Using www.google.com #belarus

Andrew N Schwartz <anschwartz@...>
 

Several of you have written about using Google and other search engines to
find potential family members. I have done that, too, with much success.
But let me tell you about another technique with search engines.

I have my family trees on my personal web site in plain HTML format. (If
you want to see one of them, click on
http://home.earthlink.net/~anschwartz/personal/genealogy/freund/freund.htm
). This site has been picked up by Google and altavista (and possibly
others.) About once a month, I get a family member writing me to either say
hello and to express their pleasure at finding themselves via one of the
search engines, or to provide additional information about new births or to
offer corrections.

I have also had family members contact me with information about HUGE gaps
in my data; in one case, this led to an additional 50 names.

So, remember that this powerful tool, the Internet, can be a two-way street.

.... Andy Schwartz, researching ADASKIN (Belarus) and FREUND (Bohemia)


Belarus SIG #Belarus RE: Research Success Using www.google.com #belarus

Andrew N Schwartz <anschwartz@...>
 

Several of you have written about using Google and other search engines to
find potential family members. I have done that, too, with much success.
But let me tell you about another technique with search engines.

I have my family trees on my personal web site in plain HTML format. (If
you want to see one of them, click on
http://home.earthlink.net/~anschwartz/personal/genealogy/freund/freund.htm
). This site has been picked up by Google and altavista (and possibly
others.) About once a month, I get a family member writing me to either say
hello and to express their pleasure at finding themselves via one of the
search engines, or to provide additional information about new births or to
offer corrections.

I have also had family members contact me with information about HUGE gaps
in my data; in one case, this led to an additional 50 names.

So, remember that this powerful tool, the Internet, can be a two-way street.

.... Andy Schwartz, researching ADASKIN (Belarus) and FREUND (Bohemia)


Need Help in NYC #latvia

JeromeBe@...
 

Betsy Fleischman (JGFF #2318) is listed as looking for Lowenstein's in
Courland. When I wrote to her at the address listed, 33 Gold Street - Apt
503, the letter was returned to me unopened. Does anyone know Betsy
Fleischman, or how to contact her? Any help would be most appreciated.

Jerry Becker
Bellevue Washington
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Latvia SIG #Latvia Need Help in NYC #latvia

JeromeBe@...
 

Betsy Fleischman (JGFF #2318) is listed as looking for Lowenstein's in
Courland. When I wrote to her at the address listed, 33 Gold Street - Apt
503, the letter was returned to me unopened. Does anyone know Betsy
Fleischman, or how to contact her? Any help would be most appreciated.

Jerry Becker
Bellevue Washington
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KRIEGER #belarus

Michael Kaplan <Michael-kaplan@...>
 

I am looking for information about KRIEGER, possibly KREIGER, >from Ramigola
(?), settling in New Jersey 1890-1910.


Michael
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Belarus SIG #Belarus KRIEGER #belarus

Michael Kaplan <Michael-kaplan@...>
 

I am looking for information about KRIEGER, possibly KREIGER, >from Ramigola
(?), settling in New Jersey 1890-1910.


Michael
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Research Success Using www.google.com #belarus

Nachum <nachum@...>
 

I have been doing the same thing, google searching names. About 2 1/2
months ago, I actually sent an e-mail to someone with a last name that I
was looking for. She turned out to be a GG daughter of my maternal GMs
cousin. I have since been in contact with several others in the family.


After several e-mails between all of us, we finally figured out how we
all fit into one family tree.

The most amazing thing was that they knew of cousins who had come to
Israel, both before and after WW2. Those who came after the war were
apparantly the only survivors of the shoa, family that even my GM must
not have known about.

Last week I travelled to the north of Israel to meet my second cousin
once removed, probably the last living family member born in my GM
shtetl of Soly (next to Smorgon, Oshmiany Uezd). Unfortunately, her
older sister passed away a year ago, so I will never meet her. I also
met some of both sister's children. I hope that this will open up a new
family relationship, and that we will stay in contact for a long time to
come.

With this success, I started to search for closer relatives that the
family lost contact with over the years.

As I wrote to my new found third cousins, the major drawback of finding
family is that you are now burdened by having to stay in contact. I
wish all my problems were so sweet.

So, Dave, there's no need to challenge. It works. Those who try may or
may not succeed. Those who don't try are guaranteed failure.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel


Belarus SIG #Belarus Research Success Using www.google.com #belarus

Nachum <nachum@...>
 

I have been doing the same thing, google searching names. About 2 1/2
months ago, I actually sent an e-mail to someone with a last name that I
was looking for. She turned out to be a GG daughter of my maternal GMs
cousin. I have since been in contact with several others in the family.


After several e-mails between all of us, we finally figured out how we
all fit into one family tree.

The most amazing thing was that they knew of cousins who had come to
Israel, both before and after WW2. Those who came after the war were
apparantly the only survivors of the shoa, family that even my GM must
not have known about.

Last week I travelled to the north of Israel to meet my second cousin
once removed, probably the last living family member born in my GM
shtetl of Soly (next to Smorgon, Oshmiany Uezd). Unfortunately, her
older sister passed away a year ago, so I will never meet her. I also
met some of both sister's children. I hope that this will open up a new
family relationship, and that we will stay in contact for a long time to
come.

With this success, I started to search for closer relatives that the
family lost contact with over the years.

As I wrote to my new found third cousins, the major drawback of finding
family is that you are now burdened by having to stay in contact. I
wish all my problems were so sweet.

So, Dave, there's no need to challenge. It works. Those who try may or
may not succeed. Those who don't try are guaranteed failure.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel


Using Google #belarus

Merv & Naomi Barnett
 

David Fox & list

I used this method to find family over 2 years ago. I put in the name
REIZER and had so many 'hits' I was stunned. It took me some days to
work through the whole lot, eliminating Japanese people (apparently it's
not an uncommon name there), and number of questionable connections in
Germany, and lots and lots of papers published by a late 1st cousin of
mine. There was one other person whose name kept popping up though, so
I persisted until I could find a contact address. He was so excited
when we verified a direct link. He discovered family he had no idea
existed. He lives in the US, and as far as we know (currently) his
grandfather was the only one of 6 children to go to the US. So the
effort was certainly worthwhile.

Naomi Barnett
Melbourne, Australia


Belarus SIG #Belarus Using Google #belarus

Merv & Naomi Barnett
 

David Fox & list

I used this method to find family over 2 years ago. I put in the name
REIZER and had so many 'hits' I was stunned. It took me some days to
work through the whole lot, eliminating Japanese people (apparently it's
not an uncommon name there), and number of questionable connections in
Germany, and lots and lots of papers published by a late 1st cousin of
mine. There was one other person whose name kept popping up though, so
I persisted until I could find a contact address. He was so excited
when we verified a direct link. He discovered family he had no idea
existed. He lives in the US, and as far as we know (currently) his
grandfather was the only one of 6 children to go to the US. So the
effort was certainly worthwhile.

Naomi Barnett
Melbourne, Australia


New to List #poland #warsaw

Miriam Saltzman <whatever399@...>
 

Hello, my name is Miriam Saltzman. I'm new to this list. My grandfather,
Allen (Eliyahu Yaakov) SALTZMAN is >from Warsaw. His mother was Rivkah Rachel
SALTZMAN nee ORLANSKY, and his father is Mattisyahu Saltzman >from Warsaw.
Their children are my grandfather, Gertrude (Gittel), Harry (Hershel) and
Leah. They all come to the US in the 1920-1930's except for Rivkah Rachel
who died before the war and Leah and her family who were killed in the
Holocaust.My family name used to be Tepper, but my g-grandfather or someone a
few generations back changed it to his aunts name Saltzman to avoid
conscription into the Russian army in Chelm. Some family is still Tepper and
related. I have a great grandfather or someone who was form Chelm and also I
beleive some family in Lodz. They settled in Milwaukee, WI.
If anyone knows about them or something, please tell me.
Thanks
Miriam Saltzman
Milwaukee, WI
whatever399@...

Interested in:
SALTZMAN, ORLANSKY, TEPPER, Warsaw, Chelm and Lodz Poland
KLEINERMAN - Shpikov, Ukraine
ALTSHUL, ALTSHULL -Bobruisk, Belarus


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland New to List #warsaw #poland

Miriam Saltzman <whatever399@...>
 

Hello, my name is Miriam Saltzman. I'm new to this list. My grandfather,
Allen (Eliyahu Yaakov) SALTZMAN is >from Warsaw. His mother was Rivkah Rachel
SALTZMAN nee ORLANSKY, and his father is Mattisyahu Saltzman >from Warsaw.
Their children are my grandfather, Gertrude (Gittel), Harry (Hershel) and
Leah. They all come to the US in the 1920-1930's except for Rivkah Rachel
who died before the war and Leah and her family who were killed in the
Holocaust.My family name used to be Tepper, but my g-grandfather or someone a
few generations back changed it to his aunts name Saltzman to avoid
conscription into the Russian army in Chelm. Some family is still Tepper and
related. I have a great grandfather or someone who was form Chelm and also I
beleive some family in Lodz. They settled in Milwaukee, WI.
If anyone knows about them or something, please tell me.
Thanks
Miriam Saltzman
Milwaukee, WI
whatever399@...

Interested in:
SALTZMAN, ORLANSKY, TEPPER, Warsaw, Chelm and Lodz Poland
KLEINERMAN - Shpikov, Ukraine
ALTSHUL, ALTSHULL -Bobruisk, Belarus


Re: Can anyone translate a Ketubah ? #unitedkingdom

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 8/18/2002 4:01:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pmblundell1@... writes:

<< I have a problem, my G grandfather's marriage is all in Hebrew, can anyone
translate it for me please?
The names have been written in English by the Archivist, but I would like to
know what the whole document says.
Let me know privately and I'll send it in an attachment.
Thanking you in anticipation. >>

==It's probably not in Hebrew but in Aramaic, using the Hebrew Alefbet. It
will start off with the date (in Hebrew) list the groom and the bride and
their patronymic, and declare that the groom promises bride money in the sum
of 100 zuzim ass stipulated, and another 100 as a bonus--but only if she's a
virgin. A widow and a divorcee get only half that. He promises to feed and
support her, clothe and house her and pleasure her sexually. He states that
his stipulated obligations to his wife in case of his premature death, or
their divorce, takes precedence over all other obligations, including "the
shirt off my back."

The ketubah is more or less standard everywhere.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@...>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Can anyone translate a Ketubah ? #unitedkingdom

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 8/18/2002 4:01:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pmblundell1@... writes:

<< I have a problem, my G grandfather's marriage is all in Hebrew, can anyone
translate it for me please?
The names have been written in English by the Archivist, but I would like to
know what the whole document says.
Let me know privately and I'll send it in an attachment.
Thanking you in anticipation. >>

==It's probably not in Hebrew but in Aramaic, using the Hebrew Alefbet. It
will start off with the date (in Hebrew) list the groom and the bride and
their patronymic, and declare that the groom promises bride money in the sum
of 100 zuzim ass stipulated, and another 100 as a bonus--but only if she's a
virgin. A widow and a divorcee get only half that. He promises to feed and
support her, clothe and house her and pleasure her sexually. He states that
his stipulated obligations to his wife in case of his premature death, or
their divorce, takes precedence over all other obligations, including "the
shirt off my back."

The ketubah is more or less standard everywhere.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@...>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


A Polish question from the Zgierz Yizkor book #yizkorbooks

Jerrold and Tzippy Landau <landau@...>
 

Hi all. I am new to this list, as of today. I am involved in
translating Yizkor books, and on occasion, I come across a Polish word
(in Hebrew or Yiddish transliteration) that I am not sure how to
translate. I am not sure if this is legitimate type of question
material for this list, but if it is, I would appreciate any help.

The word I ran across today is "Git Luczmiec." I suspect that it has to
do with trash collection. Can anyone confirm, or clarify the spelling?

Thanks.

Jerrold Landau

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Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks A Polish question from the Zgierz Yizkor book #yizkorbooks

Jerrold and Tzippy Landau <landau@...>
 

Hi all. I am new to this list, as of today. I am involved in
translating Yizkor books, and on occasion, I come across a Polish word
(in Hebrew or Yiddish transliteration) that I am not sure how to
translate. I am not sure if this is legitimate type of question
material for this list, but if it is, I would appreciate any help.

The word I ran across today is "Git Luczmiec." I suspect that it has to
do with trash collection. Can anyone confirm, or clarify the spelling?

Thanks.

Jerrold Landau

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on-topic. Please do remember to set your email program to plain text, as
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Re: Help With Hebrew #general

Zalman <zalman@...>
 

My mistake.
Nothing is missing. It's actually year 5476 or 1715/1716.

Regards,
Zalman Lazkovich
Toronto

Could be `1916?
Ida

Nun,pay,tet,resh,hay - niftera(for female) or "passed away".
Second word - Shnat=Shana(year).
"tav,ayin,vav" - I think a letter is missing here.


Does anyone know of this person #general

lili susser <susserl@...>
 

Hello
I just received information >from Yad Vashem that during a raid >from Lodz
Ghetto ( I believe in 1943 ) my father was sent to Auschwitz and apparently
must have been there some time because in November of 1944 he was sent to
Dachau where he died. There must be survivors who knew him or of him. I
would appreciate hearing >from you.
His name was Moszek ( Moric) Cukier.
Any information will be appreciated
Thank you
Lili Susser
susserl@...