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Re: Destruction of genealogical records in the temple #general

sallybru <sallybru@...>
 

How far back you can go depends on many things. In trying to go back to the
temple in Jerusalem, a big problem is that no one had birth certificates in
the middle ages, so genealogy depends on different, less precise, sources.
I can remember in Avotayu many years ago, there was a series of articles on
the descent of Rashi-with maybe 10 different version. The result is that
none of them was without problems. Some of the terms which we would take
for *grandfather* for example, could be more loosely interpreted, and the
dates of certain, well known, rabbis were not in the realm of possibility
(so-and-so the father of someone 200 years later). The result was that no
one could *prove* anything. It may certainly be that we are all descended
from Rashi, but we cannot prove it (M. Bernet discovered that it is likely
we are all of us descended >from any person in the middle ages or before-if
any of us are).

There are family trees, showing that the kings of England and other
countries are descended >from Adam and Eve and other such things. But the
English one was put together in the 18th century (I think, it may have been
17th or 19th) out of *whole cloth*. And for those of us who do not believe
in the literal truth of the Bible, we would not necessarily believe in the
literal truth of the genealogy in it.

Yes, I know I will get lots of hate mail for this.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY


Re: In need of tips...old photographs #general

sallybru <sallybru@...>
 

I think *J. Chonovitz,* and *M. Xonoburr* are the same person, Alex.. In
the Cyrillic alphabet, the CH is spelled with an X and the 'rr' is probably
a 'tz', not an rr which it looks like. There is probably a tail on the
'rr'. And what looks like a b is a v. So, you are right, the name on the
photo is the photographer, and so is the stamp on the back. In Polish
Russia, both were used.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY


1910 Census for Pennsylvania #general

OneTess@...
 

Is there a way to access this census without paying and arm and a leg? I
have one name I want to look up, but on-line it appears that I would have to
pay quite a bit just for that access. Thanks for any help!

Sharon Tessler
searching BERTENTHAL, SCLARENCO


Glick #general

Sy Pearlman <SYPEARLMAN@...>
 

I sent an e-mail to "cglick@...". It was returned. Does anyone know the
correct e-mail for this person.
Regards, Sy of New York
(sypearlman@...)

Researching: PEARLMAN (Bialystok), ETKUS, ROSACHOTSKY, SANDEROVICH,
SEGALOVICH & SKOVRONEK (Lomza,Ciechanowiec,Wysokie Mazowieckie);
KUNOFSKY,LEVINE & KANTROWITZ (Uzda,Nesvizh in Belarus); BERNBACH &
HACKEL (Ulanow,Poland); MUNTZER (Glebowice,Poland); TREITELMAN &
KAMINER (Odessa & Kishinev); KRULL (Warsaw & Otvotsk)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Destruction of genealogical records in the temple #general

sallybru <sallybru@...>
 

How far back you can go depends on many things. In trying to go back to the
temple in Jerusalem, a big problem is that no one had birth certificates in
the middle ages, so genealogy depends on different, less precise, sources.
I can remember in Avotayu many years ago, there was a series of articles on
the descent of Rashi-with maybe 10 different version. The result is that
none of them was without problems. Some of the terms which we would take
for *grandfather* for example, could be more loosely interpreted, and the
dates of certain, well known, rabbis were not in the realm of possibility
(so-and-so the father of someone 200 years later). The result was that no
one could *prove* anything. It may certainly be that we are all descended
from Rashi, but we cannot prove it (M. Bernet discovered that it is likely
we are all of us descended >from any person in the middle ages or before-if
any of us are).

There are family trees, showing that the kings of England and other
countries are descended >from Adam and Eve and other such things. But the
English one was put together in the 18th century (I think, it may have been
17th or 19th) out of *whole cloth*. And for those of us who do not believe
in the literal truth of the Bible, we would not necessarily believe in the
literal truth of the genealogy in it.

Yes, I know I will get lots of hate mail for this.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: In need of tips...old photographs #general

sallybru <sallybru@...>
 

I think *J. Chonovitz,* and *M. Xonoburr* are the same person, Alex.. In
the Cyrillic alphabet, the CH is spelled with an X and the 'rr' is probably
a 'tz', not an rr which it looks like. There is probably a tail on the
'rr'. And what looks like a b is a v. So, you are right, the name on the
photo is the photographer, and so is the stamp on the back. In Polish
Russia, both were used.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1910 Census for Pennsylvania #general

OneTess@...
 

Is there a way to access this census without paying and arm and a leg? I
have one name I want to look up, but on-line it appears that I would have to
pay quite a bit just for that access. Thanks for any help!

Sharon Tessler
searching BERTENTHAL, SCLARENCO


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Glick #general

Sy Pearlman <SYPEARLMAN@...>
 

I sent an e-mail to "cglick@...". It was returned. Does anyone know the
correct e-mail for this person.
Regards, Sy of New York
(sypearlman@...)

Researching: PEARLMAN (Bialystok), ETKUS, ROSACHOTSKY, SANDEROVICH,
SEGALOVICH & SKOVRONEK (Lomza,Ciechanowiec,Wysokie Mazowieckie);
KUNOFSKY,LEVINE & KANTROWITZ (Uzda,Nesvizh in Belarus); BERNBACH &
HACKEL (Ulanow,Poland); MUNTZER (Glebowice,Poland); TREITELMAN &
KAMINER (Odessa & Kishinev); KRULL (Warsaw & Otvotsk)


Announcing! Lodz 1901 indices now online! #lodz #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Lodz Area Researchers,

I am very pleased to announce that indices to 5,890 records city of Lodz
birth, marriage and death records >from the year 1901 have been added to the
JRI-Poland database. This brings to 16,766 the number of indices now online
as part of the Lodz "Seven-Year Initiative" of JRI-Poland. To search these
indices, access the JRI-Poland database >from the home page at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/

This database is made possible as part of Phase 2 of the Lodz PSA Project,
also known as the "Seven-Year Initiative," to index city of Lodz records >from
1899 through 1905. With today's addition, this brings to 85,225 the total
number of all indices online for the city of Lodz.

You will be able to obtain copies of the records by simply printing out the
order form on the JRI-Poland web site and mailing it to the Polish State
Archives branch in Lodz.

We owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to all those who have been so
supportive of this project. I would also like to particularly thank
JRI-Poland's Sheila Salo, Michael Tobias, and Stanley Diamond for their
invaluable assistance and guidance.

o The "Lodz Seven-Year Initiative"

In an innovative approach, JRI-Poland has launched a project to index city of
Lodz records >from 1899 through 1905 as part of a single project.

Here's a summary of the status of post-1898 Lodz Jewish vital records:

Dates: Location: No. of records Status:

1899-1900 Lodz PSA* 10,876 records Indexed and online!
1901 Lodz PSA 5,890 records Indexed and online!
1902 Lodz USC** 6,952 records Available in 2003
1903 Lodz USC 6,405 records Available in 2004
1904 Lodz USC 7,290 records Available in 2005
1905 Lodz USC 6,088 records Available in 2006

* Polish State Archive
** Urzad Stanu Cywilniego (civil registration office)

Updates on the Lodz Seven-Year Initiative (PSA 2) are available at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/psastat.htm
click on "Status Report: PSA Projects Underway," which is the last line in
the heading of this page. On the Status Report page, click "Lodz (phase
2)" in the dropdown menu.

Sincerely,

Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Lodz Town Leader
Lodz PSA / JRI-Poland Project Coordinator
Seflaum@...
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/psastat.htm
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/lodz/LDS.htm


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Announcing! Lodz 1901 indices now online! #lodz #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Lodz Area Researchers,

I am very pleased to announce that indices to 5,890 records city of Lodz
birth, marriage and death records >from the year 1901 have been added to the
JRI-Poland database. This brings to 16,766 the number of indices now online
as part of the Lodz "Seven-Year Initiative" of JRI-Poland. To search these
indices, access the JRI-Poland database >from the home page at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/

This database is made possible as part of Phase 2 of the Lodz PSA Project,
also known as the "Seven-Year Initiative," to index city of Lodz records >from
1899 through 1905. With today's addition, this brings to 85,225 the total
number of all indices online for the city of Lodz.

You will be able to obtain copies of the records by simply printing out the
order form on the JRI-Poland web site and mailing it to the Polish State
Archives branch in Lodz.

We owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to all those who have been so
supportive of this project. I would also like to particularly thank
JRI-Poland's Sheila Salo, Michael Tobias, and Stanley Diamond for their
invaluable assistance and guidance.

o The "Lodz Seven-Year Initiative"

In an innovative approach, JRI-Poland has launched a project to index city of
Lodz records >from 1899 through 1905 as part of a single project.

Here's a summary of the status of post-1898 Lodz Jewish vital records:

Dates: Location: No. of records Status:

1899-1900 Lodz PSA* 10,876 records Indexed and online!
1901 Lodz PSA 5,890 records Indexed and online!
1902 Lodz USC** 6,952 records Available in 2003
1903 Lodz USC 6,405 records Available in 2004
1904 Lodz USC 7,290 records Available in 2005
1905 Lodz USC 6,088 records Available in 2006

* Polish State Archive
** Urzad Stanu Cywilniego (civil registration office)

Updates on the Lodz Seven-Year Initiative (PSA 2) are available at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/psastat.htm
click on "Status Report: PSA Projects Underway," which is the last line in
the heading of this page. On the Status Report page, click "Lodz (phase
2)" in the dropdown menu.

Sincerely,

Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Lodz Town Leader
Lodz PSA / JRI-Poland Project Coordinator
Seflaum@...
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/psastat.htm
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/lodz/LDS.htm


Robert S. Holton, where are you? #general

Steve Gabai <sgabai@...>
 

I sent an email to Robert Holton - Randsholton@... - but it bounced.
Does anyone have an updated email address for him?

I belive he's >from the U.K.

Thanks,

Steve Gabai


The Book - The Unbelievable Truth #general

Howard Margol
 

I want to thank all those who responded to my message about Jeanne Ran
Tcharnyi's book, "The Unbelievable Truth". Three individuals in Israel
volunteered to each bring five books to the Toronto Conference so a total of
fifeteen books will be available at the Avotaynu Vendor booth. Their booth
will be open >from noon - 5 p.m. on Sunday, 9 - 5 p.m. Mon - Thurs., and 9
a.m. - noon on Friday. Purchase of these particular books must be either by
cash or check. Gary Mokotoff has very graciously offered to send the entire
proceeds to Jeanne Ran Tcharnyi in Israel. Come early as the 15 copies will
not last long.

NOTE: I received a message >from a Sara in Toronto but inadvertedly deleted
her email address. If Sara sees this message, please contact me privately and
not to the Digest.

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia
homargol@...


Re: question: the name Chasa v. Chaya #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/31/2002 9:35:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JEDI318@... writes:

<< Can anyone tell me if the female names Chaya and Chasa are distinct >>

According to Beider, Chaya is >from the Hebrew name Chayah--which means
"Life"; Chasa is >from the Hebrew name Channah (Hannah)--which translates
vaguely as "talented," or "favored."

The two names are completely different.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@...>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Robert S. Holton, where are you? #general

Steve Gabai <sgabai@...>
 

I sent an email to Robert Holton - Randsholton@... - but it bounced.
Does anyone have an updated email address for him?

I belive he's >from the U.K.

Thanks,

Steve Gabai


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The Book - The Unbelievable Truth #general

Howard Margol
 

I want to thank all those who responded to my message about Jeanne Ran
Tcharnyi's book, "The Unbelievable Truth". Three individuals in Israel
volunteered to each bring five books to the Toronto Conference so a total of
fifeteen books will be available at the Avotaynu Vendor booth. Their booth
will be open >from noon - 5 p.m. on Sunday, 9 - 5 p.m. Mon - Thurs., and 9
a.m. - noon on Friday. Purchase of these particular books must be either by
cash or check. Gary Mokotoff has very graciously offered to send the entire
proceeds to Jeanne Ran Tcharnyi in Israel. Come early as the 15 copies will
not last long.

NOTE: I received a message >from a Sara in Toronto but inadvertedly deleted
her email address. If Sara sees this message, please contact me privately and
not to the Digest.

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia
homargol@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: question: the name Chasa v. Chaya #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/31/2002 9:35:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JEDI318@... writes:

<< Can anyone tell me if the female names Chaya and Chasa are distinct >>

According to Beider, Chaya is >from the Hebrew name Chayah--which means
"Life"; Chasa is >from the Hebrew name Channah (Hannah)--which translates
vaguely as "talented," or "favored."

The two names are completely different.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@...>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Arthur PROPPER #general

LULULYNN1@...
 

I have been doing research on my in-laws family PROPPER. My mother-in-
law's maiden name was Lena Propper. One of the people I am still looking
for is Arthur PROPPER. If anyone knows him, please contact me privately,

Thank you.
Lynn Wruble
Miami, Florida
Lululynn1@...


From Bukovina to Brazil #general

MBernet@...
 

I have just discovered a site for migrants >from Bukovina who settle in Brazil
at the end of the 19th century. Many of them, I believe, were Jewish.


http://www.bukovina.tripod.com/adm/popup/roadmap.shtml?member_name=www.bukovin

a&path=johannesdorf&client_ip=64.12.96.234&ts=1028166949&ad_type=POPUP&id=05b1

52162ed45fec7d5762b91d0e1d60

Michael Bernet,
New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Arthur PROPPER #general

LULULYNN1@...
 

I have been doing research on my in-laws family PROPPER. My mother-in-
law's maiden name was Lena Propper. One of the people I am still looking
for is Arthur PROPPER. If anyone knows him, please contact me privately,

Thank you.
Lynn Wruble
Miami, Florida
Lululynn1@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen From Bukovina to Brazil #general

MBernet@...
 

I have just discovered a site for migrants >from Bukovina who settle in Brazil
at the end of the 19th century. Many of them, I believe, were Jewish.


http://www.bukovina.tripod.com/adm/popup/roadmap.shtml?member_name=www.bukovin

a&path=johannesdorf&client_ip=64.12.96.234&ts=1028166949&ad_type=POPUP&id=05b1

52162ed45fec7d5762b91d0e1d60

Michael Bernet,
New York