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Thanks for answers re passenger lists #general

krippens@...
 

Thank you all for your help with this question. I took your advice
and searched through to the end of my grandmother's manifest pages.
The funny thing was that as I continued to click "next", manifest
pages >from one, then another, then even a third ship appeared, coming
from different ports. My guess is that EIDB has some internal database
errors. But at any rate, it did not turn up additional information
on my grandmother's arrival.

I recently learned first hand that, as wonderful as it is, this EIDB
has its flaws. Frustrated at not finding anyone in my family >from
their ancestral town, I started opening all the manifests >from anyone
with a similar patronym who was listed as coming >from that town. One
text entry was "Izol Sarobnick". In the register the name was clearly
written as "Srol Sarobnick". I have a great uncle by that name, and I
am trying to determine if this was him. Another was my grandfather,
who's given name was "Zalek". I found a manifest entry >from his town
for "Selig", and all the details make him out to be my grandfather.

All in all, this is getting me further than I had dreamed and this
labor of love has begun to consume me. I am so grateful to JewishGen
and all of you who participate with help and encouragement. The delight
in my family's voices as they hear the news of found relatives and
ancestral towns is truly priceless.

Thank you all so much.

Karen Jo Rippens (ne Rubin)
krippens@earthlink.net

researching:
Handler/Gendler and Fogel, >from Lukov (Matsova, Matsiev, Maczv,
Matzew, Maciew) Gub. Wolin/Volhynia Ukraine, to Chicago, Denver,
Los Angeles, USA; Chankis, >from Bulbul to Matsiev, etc.
Zerobnick/Rubin, >from Ostrow-Lubelski to New York, Ogden, Utah, USA
Muit/Mudd, >from Ostrow Lubelski to New York, Ogden, Utah, USA


Help needed at Wellwood Cemetery in Long Island #general

SN Janin <janin-usa@...>
 

Dear Genners,

If anyone is going to Wellwood Cemetery on Long Island and could
take a couple of photos for me, please contact me privately.

The cemetery sent me a polaroid that is completely unclear.

Thank you.

Again please contact me privately.

Sally Janin
Middlebury, CT


worth looking for high school records? #general

Alex Bender <alemik@...>
 

Has anybody ever attempted to obtain records or information >from
high schools that ancestors attended? My grandfather and his
siblings attended Barringer High School in Newark, NJ in the
1910s. It is still in existence today. I'm not sure whether it's
worth asking them for info, as I do not know what confidentiality
policies they abide by; there is also a strong possibility that
they don't keep records that old. If anybody has a success story
with a school, please share. Thank you.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thanks for answers re passenger lists #general

krippens@...
 

Thank you all for your help with this question. I took your advice
and searched through to the end of my grandmother's manifest pages.
The funny thing was that as I continued to click "next", manifest
pages >from one, then another, then even a third ship appeared, coming
from different ports. My guess is that EIDB has some internal database
errors. But at any rate, it did not turn up additional information
on my grandmother's arrival.

I recently learned first hand that, as wonderful as it is, this EIDB
has its flaws. Frustrated at not finding anyone in my family >from
their ancestral town, I started opening all the manifests >from anyone
with a similar patronym who was listed as coming >from that town. One
text entry was "Izol Sarobnick". In the register the name was clearly
written as "Srol Sarobnick". I have a great uncle by that name, and I
am trying to determine if this was him. Another was my grandfather,
who's given name was "Zalek". I found a manifest entry >from his town
for "Selig", and all the details make him out to be my grandfather.

All in all, this is getting me further than I had dreamed and this
labor of love has begun to consume me. I am so grateful to JewishGen
and all of you who participate with help and encouragement. The delight
in my family's voices as they hear the news of found relatives and
ancestral towns is truly priceless.

Thank you all so much.

Karen Jo Rippens (ne Rubin)
krippens@earthlink.net

researching:
Handler/Gendler and Fogel, >from Lukov (Matsova, Matsiev, Maczv,
Matzew, Maciew) Gub. Wolin/Volhynia Ukraine, to Chicago, Denver,
Los Angeles, USA; Chankis, >from Bulbul to Matsiev, etc.
Zerobnick/Rubin, >from Ostrow-Lubelski to New York, Ogden, Utah, USA
Muit/Mudd, >from Ostrow Lubelski to New York, Ogden, Utah, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help needed at Wellwood Cemetery in Long Island #general

SN Janin <janin-usa@...>
 

Dear Genners,

If anyone is going to Wellwood Cemetery on Long Island and could
take a couple of photos for me, please contact me privately.

The cemetery sent me a polaroid that is completely unclear.

Thank you.

Again please contact me privately.

Sally Janin
Middlebury, CT


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen worth looking for high school records? #general

Alex Bender <alemik@...>
 

Has anybody ever attempted to obtain records or information >from
high schools that ancestors attended? My grandfather and his
siblings attended Barringer High School in Newark, NJ in the
1910s. It is still in existence today. I'm not sure whether it's
worth asking them for info, as I do not know what confidentiality
policies they abide by; there is also a strong possibility that
they don't keep records that old. If anybody has a success story
with a school, please share. Thank you.


Russian Identity Papers #general

Yendor62@...
 

Dear Genners,

Among the family papers my sister and I discovered while going through
our late father's effects (which included both our grandfathers' Russian
military service records - what a great find for us!) are identity
papers (possibly a form of passport) of two Russian men, not Jewish
and not related to our families, as far as we can tell.

A kind friend has translated parts of these papers for me, and I would
like to find a way to return these wonderful pieces of history to their
rightful owners, or their descendants. I have done a quick search of
the EIDB (definitely not a comprehensive one) and have not found either
name.

One young man, Dem'yan Moiseivich SUBBOTA (spelling not guaranteed)
was born in 1894, single, not illiterate,and came >from Kiev, Uman,
Moshurus (?). His papers were dated 1911, so he must have emigrated
to the US in that year or later.

The other man, also >from Kiev, Uman, Moshurus, was named Panteleimon
Zaharovich LESOVIK. born June 28, 1888, profession laborer, married,
illiterate, of average height. The papers was issued Dec 30, 1910.

Since one set of my grandparents (Michel Leizer TROIANSKY and Rivke
ZALMECHOVSKY TROIANSKY) came >from the general Kiev/Uman area (Taln'oye
and Kalnibloder - Romanovka), I am acting on the assumption that they
may have known my family when they lived in what is now Ukraine, and
came to them when they first arrived in the US.

I know there are other places where I can post this request, but I
don't know what those places might be. Any suggestion would be
appreciated.

Thanks in advance for any help.
Toby Rodney
Apex, NC
yendor62@aol.com

ABELOWITZ, TROIANSKY, TROJANOWSKY, ZAMCHOVSKY, ZALMECHOVSKY, RUDNITZKY,
HOCHBERG


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Russian Identity Papers #general

Yendor62@...
 

Dear Genners,

Among the family papers my sister and I discovered while going through
our late father's effects (which included both our grandfathers' Russian
military service records - what a great find for us!) are identity
papers (possibly a form of passport) of two Russian men, not Jewish
and not related to our families, as far as we can tell.

A kind friend has translated parts of these papers for me, and I would
like to find a way to return these wonderful pieces of history to their
rightful owners, or their descendants. I have done a quick search of
the EIDB (definitely not a comprehensive one) and have not found either
name.

One young man, Dem'yan Moiseivich SUBBOTA (spelling not guaranteed)
was born in 1894, single, not illiterate,and came >from Kiev, Uman,
Moshurus (?). His papers were dated 1911, so he must have emigrated
to the US in that year or later.

The other man, also >from Kiev, Uman, Moshurus, was named Panteleimon
Zaharovich LESOVIK. born June 28, 1888, profession laborer, married,
illiterate, of average height. The papers was issued Dec 30, 1910.

Since one set of my grandparents (Michel Leizer TROIANSKY and Rivke
ZALMECHOVSKY TROIANSKY) came >from the general Kiev/Uman area (Taln'oye
and Kalnibloder - Romanovka), I am acting on the assumption that they
may have known my family when they lived in what is now Ukraine, and
came to them when they first arrived in the US.

I know there are other places where I can post this request, but I
don't know what those places might be. Any suggestion would be
appreciated.

Thanks in advance for any help.
Toby Rodney
Apex, NC
yendor62@aol.com

ABELOWITZ, TROIANSKY, TROJANOWSKY, ZAMCHOVSKY, ZALMECHOVSKY, RUDNITZKY,
HOCHBERG


Kaunas (Lithuania) birth records database #general

Joana Rabinovitch <j.rabinovitch@...>
 

Hello,

Any idea where I can look for the Kaunas birth records of around
mid 19th century?

Many thanks in advance,
Joana Rabinovitch

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen has several InfoFiles about Lithuanian
research, including a listing of the Kaunas vital records filmed
by LDS. See http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/#Lithuania
and http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/FHLC/VilnaMicrofilmsIndex.htm
for more information. You may also want to subscribe to the Litvak
SIG discussion group and post your question there. For information
about the Litvak SIG, see http://www.jewishgen.org/litvak/


Re: Poland Online Directory #general

Piotr Kaczmarzyk <piotr@...>
 

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Daniel Kazez wrote:

from a message I received today, I am reminded that the online
directory for Poland is not well known, nor is it easy to find.
In case the Polish text on that search page confuses you, I have
recently revised a little guide to this search engine:

http://www.kazez.com/~dan/poland-online/
Be aware that you need to enter accented characters (they use
Windows-1250 encoding) - so you won't get any results if you
enter 'Wroclaw' or 'Krakow'.

Moreover this directory contains only TP S.A. numbers - although
it's 80-90% of all phones, sometimes you may not find a person who
has a phone (then you'll need to find other operators' directories,
like http://www.dialogok.pl/dialog/main/sub.php?id=50 )

Regards,

Piotr


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kaunas (Lithuania) birth records database #general

Joana Rabinovitch <j.rabinovitch@...>
 

Hello,

Any idea where I can look for the Kaunas birth records of around
mid 19th century?

Many thanks in advance,
Joana Rabinovitch

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen has several InfoFiles about Lithuanian
research, including a listing of the Kaunas vital records filmed
by LDS. See http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/#Lithuania
and http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/FHLC/VilnaMicrofilmsIndex.htm
for more information. You may also want to subscribe to the Litvak
SIG discussion group and post your question there. For information
about the Litvak SIG, see http://www.jewishgen.org/litvak/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Poland Online Directory #general

Piotr Kaczmarzyk <piotr@...>
 

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Daniel Kazez wrote:

from a message I received today, I am reminded that the online
directory for Poland is not well known, nor is it easy to find.
In case the Polish text on that search page confuses you, I have
recently revised a little guide to this search engine:

http://www.kazez.com/~dan/poland-online/
Be aware that you need to enter accented characters (they use
Windows-1250 encoding) - so you won't get any results if you
enter 'Wroclaw' or 'Krakow'.

Moreover this directory contains only TP S.A. numbers - although
it's 80-90% of all phones, sometimes you may not find a person who
has a phone (then you'll need to find other operators' directories,
like http://www.dialogok.pl/dialog/main/sub.php?id=50 )

Regards,

Piotr


Gory and Gorki Web Site #belarus

DHenkin@...
 

Gory Gorki Web Site
www.mlhslaw.com/gorygorki.htm

I have set up a basic web site based on the Gorki, Belarus region (Mogilev gub. or obl.), including the nearby, and often hyphenated community of Gory. The site now contains a great map of Jewish communities in Belarus, put together by the Jewish Community there, and "Saba's Hoe" an account of our family's recent trip to the shtetls, with some photographs. More is to come, and this and other materials may in the future also appear as part of the terrific web site at www.jewishgen.org, but I hoped this would be a way to begin sharing our experiences and materials >from this trip.

Shana Tova
Doron Henkin
DHenkin@aol.com


Software, Web sites #belarus

Boris Krantz <Boris@...>
 

I will welcome advice regarding genealogy software as well as the value of
for-pay genealogy sites.

Boris Krantz
Bedminster, NJ
Searching KRANTZ, PERLIS, YANKOWITZ, WELLER
Email: Boris@KrantzOnline.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Gory and Gorki Web Site #belarus

DHenkin@...
 

Gory Gorki Web Site
www.mlhslaw.com/gorygorki.htm

I have set up a basic web site based on the Gorki, Belarus region (Mogilev gub. or obl.), including the nearby, and often hyphenated community of Gory. The site now contains a great map of Jewish communities in Belarus, put together by the Jewish Community there, and "Saba's Hoe" an account of our family's recent trip to the shtetls, with some photographs. More is to come, and this and other materials may in the future also appear as part of the terrific web site at www.jewishgen.org, but I hoped this would be a way to begin sharing our experiences and materials >from this trip.

Shana Tova
Doron Henkin
DHenkin@aol.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Software, Web sites #belarus

Boris Krantz <Boris@...>
 

I will welcome advice regarding genealogy software as well as the value of
for-pay genealogy sites.

Boris Krantz
Bedminster, NJ
Searching KRANTZ, PERLIS, YANKOWITZ, WELLER
Email: Boris@KrantzOnline.com


German war crimes material #belarus

Irene Newhouse <einew@...>
 

Yad Vashem does indeed contain many treasures of interest to family
historians. However, the verdicts of German war crimes trials are all being
collated & published. The web site
http://www1.jur.uva.nl/junsv/JuNSVEng/JuNSV%20English%20homepage.htm
contains various indices of the publications, including a locality index.

There are now indications that translations into English are underway, so it
would pay to check with the contact e-mail before one undertakes a
translations of a verdict. I suspect, though am not sure, that many of the
cases with high local interest have not yet been translated, because it
would make sense to start with the major cases of broader interest to
historians in general, which a case centered in a place like Lida would not
be.

The series of volumes is titled "Justiz und NS-Verbrechen". A few of the
major libraries in the US have it; go to your nearest large library and ask
for an OCLC [aka WorldCat] or RLIN search to see if there's one in your
area. Unless you're near the large east & west coast cities or a Holocaust
Museum with a large collection, chances are there isn't one near you. I
don't know the circulation status of this work - it may be reference
material & not loaned out.

However, there is also a CD with the verdicts to 1999 on it. Below is the
bibiographic entry in "Verzeichnis liefbarer Buecher" [the German Books in
Print] for the CD.

Justiz und NS-Verbrechen / Nazi Crimes on Trial
Sammlung deutscher Strafurteile wegen nationalsozialistischer
Tötungsverbrechen 1945-1999 / The German Judgements on Nazi Capital
Crimes 1945-1999
Hrsg. und bearbeitet von Rüfer, C F / Mildt, C W de.
Redaktion: Bracher, Karl D / Brilman, P M / Dünk, H W von der /
Jeschedt, Hans H /
Rüter, C F / Dressen, Willi
(Saur, K G /SVK) ;

Redaktion: Bracher, Karl D / Brilman, P M / Dunk, H W von der
/ Jescheck, Hans H / Rüter C F / Dressen, Willi
(Saur, K G /SVK) ISBN 3-598-23814-2; ;
235,00 Eur-D / 241,60 Eur-A (unverb. Preisempfehlung);
235,00 Eur-D

I have no financial interest etc. in this work or the company.

The price is within the range of a SIG. When I translated the
Windisch-Werner indictment, the Zentrale Stelle still had control of the
original material. Since then, their archives have been turned over to the
Bundesarchiv, which is quick to refer you to this collection if you ask for
material. You can tell them this isn't readily available & they will then
copy material for you, at page charges on the order of 50 cents to $1. The
material is often sufficiently voluminous that the CD becomes attractive.

I have no experience with getting copyright permission for a translation
from the CD. I had no problems getting permission >from the Zentrale Stelle
at the time I did this work.

If a case did not go to trial, it will not be in this work. The
Bundesarchiv, however, should have some material submitted toward the
dismissal of the case. These materials are held at their original site, not
the standard Bundesarchiv mail address. Correspondence regarding cases
should be sent to:

Bundesarchiv
Aussenstelle Ludwigsburg
Postfach 1144
71611 Ludwigsburg

I'm sure they can handle English correspondence, though I never put them to
the test.

Please do not ask me to translate material that's not closely related to
Lida & the Lida area. The translations I've already done have not been good
for my mental health.

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI


Belarus SIG #Belarus German war crimes material #belarus

Irene Newhouse <einew@...>
 

Yad Vashem does indeed contain many treasures of interest to family
historians. However, the verdicts of German war crimes trials are all being
collated & published. The web site
http://www1.jur.uva.nl/junsv/JuNSVEng/JuNSV%20English%20homepage.htm
contains various indices of the publications, including a locality index.

There are now indications that translations into English are underway, so it
would pay to check with the contact e-mail before one undertakes a
translations of a verdict. I suspect, though am not sure, that many of the
cases with high local interest have not yet been translated, because it
would make sense to start with the major cases of broader interest to
historians in general, which a case centered in a place like Lida would not
be.

The series of volumes is titled "Justiz und NS-Verbrechen". A few of the
major libraries in the US have it; go to your nearest large library and ask
for an OCLC [aka WorldCat] or RLIN search to see if there's one in your
area. Unless you're near the large east & west coast cities or a Holocaust
Museum with a large collection, chances are there isn't one near you. I
don't know the circulation status of this work - it may be reference
material & not loaned out.

However, there is also a CD with the verdicts to 1999 on it. Below is the
bibiographic entry in "Verzeichnis liefbarer Buecher" [the German Books in
Print] for the CD.

Justiz und NS-Verbrechen / Nazi Crimes on Trial
Sammlung deutscher Strafurteile wegen nationalsozialistischer
Tötungsverbrechen 1945-1999 / The German Judgements on Nazi Capital
Crimes 1945-1999
Hrsg. und bearbeitet von Rüfer, C F / Mildt, C W de.
Redaktion: Bracher, Karl D / Brilman, P M / Dünk, H W von der /
Jeschedt, Hans H /
Rüter, C F / Dressen, Willi
(Saur, K G /SVK) ;

Redaktion: Bracher, Karl D / Brilman, P M / Dunk, H W von der
/ Jescheck, Hans H / Rüter C F / Dressen, Willi
(Saur, K G /SVK) ISBN 3-598-23814-2; ;
235,00 Eur-D / 241,60 Eur-A (unverb. Preisempfehlung);
235,00 Eur-D

I have no financial interest etc. in this work or the company.

The price is within the range of a SIG. When I translated the
Windisch-Werner indictment, the Zentrale Stelle still had control of the
original material. Since then, their archives have been turned over to the
Bundesarchiv, which is quick to refer you to this collection if you ask for
material. You can tell them this isn't readily available & they will then
copy material for you, at page charges on the order of 50 cents to $1. The
material is often sufficiently voluminous that the CD becomes attractive.

I have no experience with getting copyright permission for a translation
from the CD. I had no problems getting permission >from the Zentrale Stelle
at the time I did this work.

If a case did not go to trial, it will not be in this work. The
Bundesarchiv, however, should have some material submitted toward the
dismissal of the case. These materials are held at their original site, not
the standard Bundesarchiv mail address. Correspondence regarding cases
should be sent to:

Bundesarchiv
Aussenstelle Ludwigsburg
Postfach 1144
71611 Ludwigsburg

I'm sure they can handle English correspondence, though I never put them to
the test.

Please do not ask me to translate material that's not closely related to
Lida & the Lida area. The translations I've already done have not been good
for my mental health.

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI


1894 EIDB info #general

Haviva Langenauer <havival@...>
 

Hi Genners,
In looking for a relative who came through Ellis Island, I found
entries for a Moses Rosenmann age 14, and a Moche Rosenmann age
11, travelling together on the same ship on the same date. The
handwritten manifest, of course, is terribly incomplete, so no info
is available there. The text manifest is completely missing >from
the internet site. Here's my question. Could these two boys be
one and the same because they have the same Hebrew name? The
alternate explanation is that they were cousins.

Has anyone found two entries, for the same relative, on the same
ship, with two different ages, and slightly different given names?
Any help is appreciated.

Shana Tova.

Haviva Dolgin Langenauer
So. Florida


Gomel Chesed Shel Emes 1932: Weinstein and Son #general

JANICE GOLDMAN <jg2333@...>
 

Dear Fellow Genealogists:
I would like to know if archival info exists >from 1932 regarding
the charity burial society called Gomel Chesed Shel Emes in Chicago.
A Piser representative told that limited info is available for an
individual that I am researching, specifically, name and date of
passing. It is my hope that more detailed archived info has been
preserved, because perhaps the Rabbi who conducted the service was
able to obtain and record info supplied by the family.
Your feedback will be appreciated.
Thank you.
Janice Goldman
jg2333@msn.com
Chicago, IL USA