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A bride's status on a ketubah #rabbinic

MBernet@...
 

I want to prepare a simple guide that will help people with very
limited knowledge of Hebrew, to obtain the necessary facts >from a
ketubah: date, names of parties, location, and status of the
parties.

Are the following the correct terms for a bride's status

maiden: betulta (bet-tav-vav-lamed-tav-aleph)
widow: almanata (alef-lamed-mem-nun-tav-aleph)
divorcee: metarchata (mem-tav-resh-chav-tav-alef)?

Is the groom always simply known as chatan (chet-tav-nun),
irrespective of his pre-marital status?

Please let me know the correct spellings, and any terms I may have
left out.

To what extent is the rule of 100 + 100 zuzin bride price for a
maiden, 50 + 50 for a widow or divorcee, universal across
communities?

Many thanks for all informed information.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@aol.com>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic A bride's status on a ketubah #rabbinic

MBernet@...
 

I want to prepare a simple guide that will help people with very
limited knowledge of Hebrew, to obtain the necessary facts >from a
ketubah: date, names of parties, location, and status of the
parties.

Are the following the correct terms for a bride's status

maiden: betulta (bet-tav-vav-lamed-tav-aleph)
widow: almanata (alef-lamed-mem-nun-tav-aleph)
divorcee: metarchata (mem-tav-resh-chav-tav-alef)?

Is the groom always simply known as chatan (chet-tav-nun),
irrespective of his pre-marital status?

Please let me know the correct spellings, and any terms I may have
left out.

To what extent is the rule of 100 + 100 zuzin bride price for a
maiden, 50 + 50 for a widow or divorcee, universal across
communities?

Many thanks for all informed information.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@aol.com>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Re: Jewish Encyclopedia #general

Stan Goodman <sgoodman@...>
 

On 2002.08.26, Shirley Rotbein Flaum <Seflaum@aol.com> wrote:

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com
Somehow I am not getting full use of the alphabetical index. I can
choose an initial letter for a topic, say T; I then have access to
four pages of topics, alphabetically arranged. In the case of T,
this gets me down to #38, Tam, Jacob b. David. It is very hard for
me to believe that there are no entries beginning with e.g. "Te".
The same is true of other initial letters.

Do others see different behavior? >from the words of praise for the
website, I gather that they do.

Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Jewish Encyclopedia #rabbinic

Stan Goodman <sgoodman@...>
 

On 2002.08.26, Shirley Rotbein Flaum <Seflaum@aol.com> wrote:

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com
Somehow I am not getting full use of the alphabetical index. I can
choose an initial letter for a topic, say T; I then have access to
four pages of topics, alphabetically arranged. In the case of T,
this gets me down to #38, Tam, Jacob b. David. It is very hard for
me to believe that there are no entries beginning with e.g. "Te".
The same is true of other initial letters.

Do others see different behavior? >from the words of praise for the
website, I gather that they do.

Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel


Biblical Names #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

When searching biblical names (Old and New Testament) try this site:
http://bible.crosswalk.com/
A search will return several references for the same name as found in
various sources. Caveat: the search engine will only produce results
with EXACT spellings. Thus Myriam would result in zero finds while
Miriam would return five. Also one can't use the Hebrew and Latin
variants, like Yitzhak for Isaac or Petrus for St. Peter.
Enjoy
Tom


* ref: Velky Mager (continued) #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

MAGERSDORF was the German name of NAGYFALVA, a village in Vas county,
Szentgotthardi district, which today is in Austria and called
MOGERSDORF. As mentioned previously, seemingly this is not the place
Nadia is looking for.
Tom

At 00:00 -0500 27.08.02, Hungarian SIG digest wrote:
Subject: Velky Mager
From: Cnydorf@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:29:20 EDT
X-Message-Number: 8

In the course of compiling the Language and Culture Atlas of
Ashkenazic Jewry we sometimes had trouble locating the places >from which our
interviewees came. One such hard to find place had the Yiddish name of
Mogndorf. Its Slovak name was Velky Mager. As I recall, we did succeed in
locating it and its location is given in the second volume of the Atlas.
Charles Nydorf
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Hungary SIG #Hungary Biblical Names #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

When searching biblical names (Old and New Testament) try this site:
http://bible.crosswalk.com/
A search will return several references for the same name as found in
various sources. Caveat: the search engine will only produce results
with EXACT spellings. Thus Myriam would result in zero finds while
Miriam would return five. Also one can't use the Hebrew and Latin
variants, like Yitzhak for Isaac or Petrus for St. Peter.
Enjoy
Tom


Hungary SIG #Hungary * ref: Velky Mager (continued) #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

MAGERSDORF was the German name of NAGYFALVA, a village in Vas county,
Szentgotthardi district, which today is in Austria and called
MOGERSDORF. As mentioned previously, seemingly this is not the place
Nadia is looking for.
Tom

At 00:00 -0500 27.08.02, Hungarian SIG digest wrote:
Subject: Velky Mager
From: Cnydorf@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:29:20 EDT
X-Message-Number: 8

In the course of compiling the Language and Culture Atlas of
Ashkenazic Jewry we sometimes had trouble locating the places >from which our
interviewees came. One such hard to find place had the Yiddish name of
Mogndorf. Its Slovak name was Velky Mager. As I recall, we did succeed in
locating it and its location is given in the second volume of the Atlas.
Charles Nydorf
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Fw: Lucenec (Losonc) #hungary

Sylvia Kohn <rkohn@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Sylvia Kohn <rkohn@bigpond.net.au>
To: bikerick <bikerick@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [h-sig] Lucenec (Losonc)


Both my mother and father came >from Lucenec and I am looking for anyone
who
comes >from there or knows anything about the town.

The family names are Szekely, Himmler (not the famous one!) Barok and
Lovinger.

Sylvia Kohn
Sydney, Australia
rkohn@bigpond.net.au



----- Original Message -----
From: bikerick <bikerick@worldnet.att.net>
To: Hungarian SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:01 AM
Subject: [h-sig] Lucenec (Losonc)


---------------------------
Moderator VK: The following message is somewhat off-topic but I'm
posting
it because it may be of interest to H-SIG subscribers researching this
area.
Lucenec (formerly Losonc, Nograd megye) is about 20 km west of Rimavska
Sobota and very close to the Hungarian border. Please limit postings to
subjects related to genealogical research.
----------------------------
<snip>


Seeking Ruth Gove e-mail address #hungary

marcplot <marcplot@...>
 

Anyone have a current address for Ruth Gove?

Thanks. Please reply privately.

Marc Weiss
New York
marcplot@compuserve.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Fw: Lucenec (Losonc) #hungary

Sylvia Kohn <rkohn@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Sylvia Kohn <rkohn@bigpond.net.au>
To: bikerick <bikerick@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [h-sig] Lucenec (Losonc)


Both my mother and father came >from Lucenec and I am looking for anyone
who
comes >from there or knows anything about the town.

The family names are Szekely, Himmler (not the famous one!) Barok and
Lovinger.

Sylvia Kohn
Sydney, Australia
rkohn@bigpond.net.au



----- Original Message -----
From: bikerick <bikerick@worldnet.att.net>
To: Hungarian SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:01 AM
Subject: [h-sig] Lucenec (Losonc)


---------------------------
Moderator VK: The following message is somewhat off-topic but I'm
posting
it because it may be of interest to H-SIG subscribers researching this
area.
Lucenec (formerly Losonc, Nograd megye) is about 20 km west of Rimavska
Sobota and very close to the Hungarian border. Please limit postings to
subjects related to genealogical research.
----------------------------
<snip>


Hungary SIG #Hungary Seeking Ruth Gove e-mail address #hungary

marcplot <marcplot@...>
 

Anyone have a current address for Ruth Gove?

Thanks. Please reply privately.

Marc Weiss
New York
marcplot@compuserve.com


Re: Early 20th Century Census Data #hungary

Arik Solomon <Arik@...>
 

Thank you all for your replies.
I now understand the difficulties I have to deal with.
I do have one note though: my parents visited the Satu-Mare district =
last month and in one of the villages, Turt, they 'bought' their way =
into the town hall's vital records archive.
They managed to picture (no xerox machines there) a couple of pages with =
birth records >from 1947-1950 and even >from 1924. The archivist told them =
that records older than 1895, are kept in the national archives in =
Bucharest. (which makes me wonder about records >from this area prior to =
the Treaty of Trianon which should be in Budapest ...)

Anyway, thanks again everyone.
Shana Tova,

Arik Solomon
Petah Tikva
Israel

Researching:
SOLOMON (SALAMON,SALOMON), >from TURT (TURCZ)
NEUFELD, >from VAMA (VAMFALU)
GRUN, >from SATU MARE (SZATMAR)
FEIG, >from RUSCOVA (VISOOROSZI)

Moderator VK: Arik's original message (see below) inquired about the availability of census data >from Transylvania. As explained in earlier messages, the area in question was covered by several Hungarian national censuses conducted prior to the Treaty of Trianon, which ceded this area to Romania. Vital records, which were collected by the local rabbi prior to 1895, are a different matter. Copies of these records were supposed to be turned over to the county or regional archives and may be available to those who visit Romania or hire researchers with access to these sources archives. Has anyone found pre-1895 vital records >from areas in presentday Romania in the Hungarian State archives?

-----Original Message-----
From: Arik Solomon [mailto:Arik@clearforest.com]
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:40 PM
To: Romania SIG
Subject: [rom-sig] RE: [h-sig] Early 20th Century Census Data
Hi all,
A couple of days ago I posted the attached message asking whether=20
someone knows where can I find census data >from the early=20
20th century=20
for the Transylvania region.
All I got in response are requests to share any information=20
that I find,=20
and I ask myself is it possible that there's no such data available?=20
neither online nor offline.
It seems to me like the first thing to look for after you have some=20
names, places and dates. Can it be that no one ever used such=20
information ?
=20
I'll greatly appreciate any clue about this issue, even a=20
redirection to=20
another source.
Thanks in advance,
and Shana Tova
=20
Arik Solomon
Petah Tikva
Israel
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Arik Solomon [mailto:Arik@clearforest.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 11:38 AM
To: Hungarian SIG
Subject: [h-sig] Early 20th Century Census Data
=20
Fellow SIGers,
=20
Does anyone know if there is a Hungary/Romania online census
data >from the early 20th century (1900-1930).
If not online, where else is it possible to get such data ?


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Early 20th Century Census Data #hungary

Arik Solomon <Arik@...>
 

Thank you all for your replies.
I now understand the difficulties I have to deal with.
I do have one note though: my parents visited the Satu-Mare district =
last month and in one of the villages, Turt, they 'bought' their way =
into the town hall's vital records archive.
They managed to picture (no xerox machines there) a couple of pages with =
birth records >from 1947-1950 and even >from 1924. The archivist told them =
that records older than 1895, are kept in the national archives in =
Bucharest. (which makes me wonder about records >from this area prior to =
the Treaty of Trianon which should be in Budapest ...)

Anyway, thanks again everyone.
Shana Tova,

Arik Solomon
Petah Tikva
Israel

Researching:
SOLOMON (SALAMON,SALOMON), >from TURT (TURCZ)
NEUFELD, >from VAMA (VAMFALU)
GRUN, >from SATU MARE (SZATMAR)
FEIG, >from RUSCOVA (VISOOROSZI)

Moderator VK: Arik's original message (see below) inquired about the availability of census data >from Transylvania. As explained in earlier messages, the area in question was covered by several Hungarian national censuses conducted prior to the Treaty of Trianon, which ceded this area to Romania. Vital records, which were collected by the local rabbi prior to 1895, are a different matter. Copies of these records were supposed to be turned over to the county or regional archives and may be available to those who visit Romania or hire researchers with access to these sources archives. Has anyone found pre-1895 vital records >from areas in presentday Romania in the Hungarian State archives?

-----Original Message-----
From: Arik Solomon [mailto:Arik@clearforest.com]
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:40 PM
To: Romania SIG
Subject: [rom-sig] RE: [h-sig] Early 20th Century Census Data
Hi all,
A couple of days ago I posted the attached message asking whether=20
someone knows where can I find census data >from the early=20
20th century=20
for the Transylvania region.
All I got in response are requests to share any information=20
that I find,=20
and I ask myself is it possible that there's no such data available?=20
neither online nor offline.
It seems to me like the first thing to look for after you have some=20
names, places and dates. Can it be that no one ever used such=20
information ?
=20
I'll greatly appreciate any clue about this issue, even a=20
redirection to=20
another source.
Thanks in advance,
and Shana Tova
=20
Arik Solomon
Petah Tikva
Israel
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Arik Solomon [mailto:Arik@clearforest.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 11:38 AM
To: Hungarian SIG
Subject: [h-sig] Early 20th Century Census Data
=20
Fellow SIGers,
=20
Does anyone know if there is a Hungary/Romania online census
data >from the early 20th century (1900-1930).
If not online, where else is it possible to get such data ?


Polish translation needed #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

If anyone can translate Polish to English and would be willing to help
translate some documents (not vital records), please contact me privately.
These documents relate to Lodz.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Houston, Texas


JRI Poland #Poland Polish translation needed #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

If anyone can translate Polish to English and would be willing to help
translate some documents (not vital records), please contact me privately.
These documents relate to Lodz.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Houston, Texas


Dr. Beider?? #poland

grtuckman@...
 

I was going through some older 1997 Kielce-Radom SIG
journals and came across an article by Alexander
Beider. "Surnames >from Western Radom Gubernia". I
believe my ancestors are listed.

Is Dr. Beider still available for this information?

Thank you.

Greg Tuckman
Tempe, AZ


Lodz Archives Project -- surname lists updated #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

JRI-Poland has placed online surname lists for several towns in the Lodz
region. These are surnames that appear in the non-microfilmed, archival
Jewish records housed in the Lodz branch of the Polish State Archives. The
majority of the surnames appeared in these towns in the latter part of the
19th century, however, earlier years may be included for some towns.

Surname lists are now online for:
Koniecpol
Konstantynow Lodzki
Lowicz
Ozorkow (data not yet online in the JRI-Poland database)
Pajeczno
Poddebice
Warta
Wielun
Zdunska Wola
Zloczew (data not yet online in the JRI-Poland database)

To view the surnames, access:
< http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/status.htm >
and click "Lodz, phase 1" in the dropdown menu at the top of the page. Then
click a town name in the table to access its surname list.

The up-to-date city of Lodz surname list, 1899-1901, is also now online.
Access the same web page as above, and click "Lodz, phase 2" in the dropdown
menu. Then click "Lodz" in the table to access the surname list. The actual

data is online in the JRI-Poland database.

If you have any questions about the surname lists, please contact the town
leader for the appropriate town. I would be happy to answer any questions
about the Lodz Archives PSA Project.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Lodz Archive Coordinator/JRI-Poland
Seflaum@aol.com


JRI Poland #Poland Dr. Beider?? #poland

grtuckman@...
 

I was going through some older 1997 Kielce-Radom SIG
journals and came across an article by Alexander
Beider. "Surnames >from Western Radom Gubernia". I
believe my ancestors are listed.

Is Dr. Beider still available for this information?

Thank you.

Greg Tuckman
Tempe, AZ


JRI Poland #Poland Lodz Archives Project -- surname lists updated #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

JRI-Poland has placed online surname lists for several towns in the Lodz
region. These are surnames that appear in the non-microfilmed, archival
Jewish records housed in the Lodz branch of the Polish State Archives. The
majority of the surnames appeared in these towns in the latter part of the
19th century, however, earlier years may be included for some towns.

Surname lists are now online for:
Koniecpol
Konstantynow Lodzki
Lowicz
Ozorkow (data not yet online in the JRI-Poland database)
Pajeczno
Poddebice
Warta
Wielun
Zdunska Wola
Zloczew (data not yet online in the JRI-Poland database)

To view the surnames, access:
< http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/status.htm >
and click "Lodz, phase 1" in the dropdown menu at the top of the page. Then
click a town name in the table to access its surname list.

The up-to-date city of Lodz surname list, 1899-1901, is also now online.
Access the same web page as above, and click "Lodz, phase 2" in the dropdown
menu. Then click "Lodz" in the table to access the surname list. The actual

data is online in the JRI-Poland database.

If you have any questions about the surname lists, please contact the town
leader for the appropriate town. I would be happy to answer any questions
about the Lodz Archives PSA Project.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Lodz Archive Coordinator/JRI-Poland
Seflaum@aol.com