came across this in a Jewish English newspaper out of Phila,
Pa.
www.learn.jtsa.edu/postcard/rh.html..Old Jewish New Year
Cards.
Shalom and Happy
Holidays
Evelyn Yager, Downingtown, Pa ..
evie000@aol.com

came across this in a Jewish English newspaper out of Phila,
Pa.
www.learn.jtsa.edu/postcard/rh.html..Old Jewish New Year
Cards.
Shalom and Happy
Holidays
Evelyn Yager, Downingtown, Pa ..
evie000@aol.com

Susan,

Have you contacted the FHL at the Mormon Church in Los Angeles for the film
#1254873? They may have a copy of it or they can order one for you.

Sylvia Gordon
New York

Suzecrazy@aol.com wrote:

Susan,

Have you contacted the FHL at the Mormon Church in Los Angeles for the film
#1254873? They may have a copy of it or they can order one for you.

Sylvia Gordon
New York

Suzecrazy@aol.com wrote:

Genners:

Owing to the large number of messages regarding
landsmanshaften please allow me to make the following
points:

1 - I am not an expert in this area. I only claim
some familiarity with the available records written in
English. My quest has been focussed on the gathering
of names so that the membership can connect to their
antecedents.

2 - I research at YIVO, at the Center for Jewish History
on West 16th St, NY, NY, where I work solely on archives
relating to Belarus.

3 - I cannot speak for the archivists at YIVO, but I
would hazard a guess that they will not do research for
those unable to visit the library in person. Contact
their website for more information.

4 - I start my research at < www.jgsny.org >, where I
click on "Landsmanshaften", and then click on "918
landsmanshaften organizations". I then work off the
RG labelled records.

5 - Permit me to conjecture that among the factors
which brought about the dissolution of the
landsmanshaften was the lack of a Yiddish-speaking
constituency and the substitution of modern job
medical insurance and medicare for the welfare needs
of the group. Please note the word "conjecture".

6 - The landsmanshaften were registered with New York
State. Their dissolution required the forwarding of
their records to the State of New York [for NY
organizations].

Jerome Seligsohn
NYC
SELIGSOHN and ELKIN of Mogilev/Dnepr

Genners:

Owing to the large number of messages regarding
landsmanshaften please allow me to make the following
points:

1 - I am not an expert in this area. I only claim
some familiarity with the available records written in
English. My quest has been focussed on the gathering
of names so that the membership can connect to their
antecedents.

2 - I research at YIVO, at the Center for Jewish History
on West 16th St, NY, NY, where I work solely on archives
relating to Belarus.

3 - I cannot speak for the archivists at YIVO, but I
would hazard a guess that they will not do research for
those unable to visit the library in person. Contact
their website for more information.

4 - I start my research at < www.jgsny.org >, where I
click on "Landsmanshaften", and then click on "918
landsmanshaften organizations". I then work off the
RG labelled records.

5 - Permit me to conjecture that among the factors
which brought about the dissolution of the
landsmanshaften was the lack of a Yiddish-speaking
constituency and the substitution of modern job
medical insurance and medicare for the welfare needs
of the group. Please note the word "conjecture".

6 - The landsmanshaften were registered with New York
State. Their dissolution required the forwarding of
their records to the State of New York [for NY
organizations].

Jerome Seligsohn
NYC
SELIGSOHN and ELKIN of Mogilev/Dnepr

Below is a link to occupation codes
others may find of use.

http://www.ipums.umn.edu/usa/volii/92occup.html

and this was to 1920 and others.

Good luck.
Joan Parker
Miami, FL
Searching: GOLDBERG and GOODSTEIN-Plock, Poland/Russia and
Brooklyn, NY; PINKUS and
WINOGRAD-Odessa, Ukraine and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND-Minsk and Bronx, NY; YEHUDIS;
KATZ, Bronx, NY

Below is a link to occupation codes
others may find of use.

http://www.ipums.umn.edu/usa/volii/92occup.html

and this was to 1920 and others.

Good luck.
Joan Parker
Miami, FL
Searching: GOLDBERG and GOODSTEIN-Plock, Poland/Russia and
Brooklyn, NY; PINKUS and
WINOGRAD-Odessa, Ukraine and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND-Minsk and Bronx, NY; YEHUDIS;
KATZ, Bronx, NY

At 11:04 AM 9/13/2002, MKorbman@levi.com wrote:

Is anyone familiar with the town of P'shischah? In 1813 this town was
listed as Poland. I'm not quite sure where in Poland this town could be [...]

I recently discovered that my GGrandmother is a direct descendant of Rabbi
Yaakov Yitzchak Rabinovich or known as Ha Yehudi Ha Kadosh. Where can I
find more information regarding him and his lineage.

The town is Przysucha. His name was Ya'akov Yitzchak ben Asher. You'll
find an article about him in the Encyclopaedia Judaica, under "Przysucha."

You may want to post your request for information on his lineage on RavSig,
JewishGen's Rabbinical Genealogy SIG. To subscribe, go to
http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs.htm

Jake Goldstein
Boston, Massachusetts

At 11:04 AM 9/13/2002, MKorbman@levi.com wrote:

Is anyone familiar with the town of P'shischah? In 1813 this town was
listed as Poland. I'm not quite sure where in Poland this town could be [...]

I recently discovered that my GGrandmother is a direct descendant of Rabbi
Yaakov Yitzchak Rabinovich or known as Ha Yehudi Ha Kadosh. Where can I
find more information regarding him and his lineage.

The town is Przysucha. His name was Ya'akov Yitzchak ben Asher. You'll
find an article about him in the Encyclopaedia Judaica, under "Przysucha."

You may want to post your request for information on his lineage on RavSig,
JewishGen's Rabbinical Genealogy SIG. To subscribe, go to
http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs.htm

Jake Goldstein
Boston, Massachusetts

On 2002.09.12, Micheline Gutmann <asso.genami@free.fr> wrote:

Who are Esther's ancestors?
I have this list. Is it correct? Is it possible to complete it?

The lines Micheline Guttman listed as ancestors of Ester, the
mother-in-law of Yehudah-Leib ben Hagra, are not the correct lines.
The details are in Eizenstadt's "Daat Kedoshim". After the chagim I
will have time to give the details on RavSIG.

Gmar Khatimakh Tovah

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Colonies_of_Ukraine/index.htm

On 2002.09.12, Micheline Gutmann <asso.genami@free.fr> wrote:

Who are Esther's ancestors?
I have this list. Is it correct? Is it possible to complete it?

The lines Micheline Guttman listed as ancestors of Ester, the
mother-in-law of Yehudah-Leib ben Hagra, are not the correct lines.
The details are in Eizenstadt's "Daat Kedoshim". After the chagim I
will have time to give the details on RavSIG.

Gmar Khatimakh Tovah

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Colonies_of_Ukraine/index.htm

I don't know what the University would be there. However, I recently
learned through getting the very sparce records of my grandfather's college
degree >from Valparaiso University in 1914, that he must have gone to college
in the Ukraine and studied mathematics and engineering. He graduated with a
full bachelors degree in engineering that was supposed to take 3 full years
in just 18 mos. about half of the time. The archivist seemed to be
fascinated with the remarkable achievements and excellent grades in very
advanced courses in calculous and civil and chemical engineering. He worked
for US Steel after that time until the 1930's. Apparently he must have had
prior studies in the Ukraine in order to get approval to skip some courses
and take the more advanced ones.

He must have been studying advance courses at a young age though and somehow
was also studying Hebrew and politics. On an audio taped interview made in
1980, his youngest brother, Uncle Eddie, then 82 yrs. old, some time after
my grandfather died, stated that my grandfather, Peisach or Peter Isaac
Kriegman, went away >from their village Rogachev, where the rest of the
family was engaged originally in tanning and later owned a grist mill. At a
relative young age, maybe fourteen or younger he went away >from the family
of 9 and studied in Kiev. He was referred to as "the student". The name of
a University or other educational institution where Jews were welcomed to
study, I do not know. But of course, I would be very interested.

My Grandfather, taught Hebrew as a teenager after studying (in Kiev, I
presume.) Perhaps this was some kind of itinerant mission that young men
were sent on >from some Yeshiva in Kiev to other Ukraine Jewish communities.
I wonder about that because my grandmother met him first in Ukraine and many
years later again, in the US. He was hired by her father to teach her and
her siblings Hebrew when she was a girl, 7 years younger than he, in a
village near Berdichev, Chernorudska. Another element to this family
history is that he became involved in the first Bolshevik movement and
helped print literature to spread information about the political movement.
He learned to speak Russian well according to his brother, though the rest
of the family in Rogachev spoke "very little Russian" and "mostly Yiddish".
His brother, Uncle Eddie, volunteered in the interview that when he studied
in Kiev, he became "very interested in alot of politics" and that around
Kiev "was where most of the revolutionaries came from." His involvement
with the revolutionaries was somehow interceded by being inducted into the
Russian Army. This was the main impetus for the family to leave Ukraine.
As Eddie put it, after Peter was taken into the army they knew the second
brother, "Morris would be next" and then the two other brothers. He said
sometimes boys would be inscribed at a young age and never was allowed out,
put in the position to be killed, live a horrible life and never be able to
do anything with their lives. The family helped my grandfather, Peter,
desert >from the army, helped get him out of the country first and then the
others.

Another part of this story is that ggrandfather, Abraham, his brother and
cousins were known as strong men that were respected by and friendly with
the Mayor and the governor of Volynia Gubernia. His father had a friendship
with the "governor of Volynia." Abraham had to stop the second generation
tanning business because it was "very hard work" and caused terrible
"arthritis". Somehow he had "a little land"on which they used to grow
potatoes and other vegetables on which to survive. They built on this land
a grist mill and somehow had "a little money, not much" to buy some
machinery >from Germany to build a factory. They worked out a barter system
with the local peasants who grew the wheat. According to Eddie, the
governor of Volynia Gubernia, offered to help keep Morris out of the army
and urged the family not to leave. But they didn't trust this would happen,
and by 1910 the whole family of parents and 7 children left. The way the
last 5 members funded their passage >from the Ukraine to US through Belgium
was by selling the Mill to the Governor of Volynia.

I just learned this remarkable story about the family and the governor and
heard this remarkable interview on tape for the first time, about a month
ago, through developing relationships over the internet with family members
I have never actually met, but knew of. Our families had not communicated
for over 50 years! We found each other through Jewishgen's Family Finder.
By the way, this is only one instance of many incredible, wonderful,
life-affirming experiences made possible by Jewishgen in my research over
the last 4 years.

I guess this underscores why I and many of you should make a pledge and
contribution of whatever we can to support Jewishgen.


Diane Kriegman Claussen
Atlanta, GA
Researching: KRIEGMAN (Rogachev,Novograd Volynskiy, New Jersey, Chicago);
BRICHKE (Rogachev, Novgorad Volynskiy, New Jersey, Chicago); SHARE /
CHERNORUDSKY (Berdichev, Chicago); SMASON (Grodno, Philadelphia, Denver,
Chicago); KNOPF (Berlin, Germany Philadelphia, Chicago); REDMAN (Ladyzhinka,
Chicago); SHPARAGO (Dubova, Ternovka, Nikolaev)
-diane,daniel, and the dogs....still howling at the moon-
didado@mindspring.com

I don't know what the University would be there. However, I recently
learned through getting the very sparce records of my grandfather's college
degree >from Valparaiso University in 1914, that he must have gone to college
in the Ukraine and studied mathematics and engineering. He graduated with a
full bachelors degree in engineering that was supposed to take 3 full years
in just 18 mos. about half of the time. The archivist seemed to be
fascinated with the remarkable achievements and excellent grades in very
advanced courses in calculous and civil and chemical engineering. He worked
for US Steel after that time until the 1930's. Apparently he must have had
prior studies in the Ukraine in order to get approval to skip some courses
and take the more advanced ones.

He must have been studying advance courses at a young age though and somehow
was also studying Hebrew and politics. On an audio taped interview made in
1980, his youngest brother, Uncle Eddie, then 82 yrs. old, some time after
my grandfather died, stated that my grandfather, Peisach or Peter Isaac
Kriegman, went away >from their village Rogachev, where the rest of the
family was engaged originally in tanning and later owned a grist mill. At a
relative young age, maybe fourteen or younger he went away >from the family
of 9 and studied in Kiev. He was referred to as "the student". The name of
a University or other educational institution where Jews were welcomed to
study, I do not know. But of course, I would be very interested.

My Grandfather, taught Hebrew as a teenager after studying (in Kiev, I
presume.) Perhaps this was some kind of itinerant mission that young men
were sent on >from some Yeshiva in Kiev to other Ukraine Jewish communities.
I wonder about that because my grandmother met him first in Ukraine and many
years later again, in the US. He was hired by her father to teach her and
her siblings Hebrew when she was a girl, 7 years younger than he, in a
village near Berdichev, Chernorudska. Another element to this family
history is that he became involved in the first Bolshevik movement and
helped print literature to spread information about the political movement.
He learned to speak Russian well according to his brother, though the rest
of the family in Rogachev spoke "very little Russian" and "mostly Yiddish".
His brother, Uncle Eddie, volunteered in the interview that when he studied
in Kiev, he became "very interested in alot of politics" and that around
Kiev "was where most of the revolutionaries came from." His involvement
with the revolutionaries was somehow interceded by being inducted into the
Russian Army. This was the main impetus for the family to leave Ukraine.
As Eddie put it, after Peter was taken into the army they knew the second
brother, "Morris would be next" and then the two other brothers. He said
sometimes boys would be inscribed at a young age and never was allowed out,
put in the position to be killed, live a horrible life and never be able to
do anything with their lives. The family helped my grandfather, Peter,
desert >from the army, helped get him out of the country first and then the
others.

Another part of this story is that ggrandfather, Abraham, his brother and
cousins were known as strong men that were respected by and friendly with
the Mayor and the governor of Volynia Gubernia. His father had a friendship
with the "governor of Volynia." Abraham had to stop the second generation
tanning business because it was "very hard work" and caused terrible
"arthritis". Somehow he had "a little land"on which they used to grow
potatoes and other vegetables on which to survive. They built on this land
a grist mill and somehow had "a little money, not much" to buy some
machinery >from Germany to build a factory. They worked out a barter system
with the local peasants who grew the wheat. According to Eddie, the
governor of Volynia Gubernia, offered to help keep Morris out of the army
and urged the family not to leave. But they didn't trust this would happen,
and by 1910 the whole family of parents and 7 children left. The way the
last 5 members funded their passage >from the Ukraine to US through Belgium
was by selling the Mill to the Governor of Volynia.

I just learned this remarkable story about the family and the governor and
heard this remarkable interview on tape for the first time, about a month
ago, through developing relationships over the internet with family members
I have never actually met, but knew of. Our families had not communicated
for over 50 years! We found each other through Jewishgen's Family Finder.
By the way, this is only one instance of many incredible, wonderful,
life-affirming experiences made possible by Jewishgen in my research over
the last 4 years.

I guess this underscores why I and many of you should make a pledge and
contribution of whatever we can to support Jewishgen.


Diane Kriegman Claussen
Atlanta, GA
Researching: KRIEGMAN (Rogachev,Novograd Volynskiy, New Jersey, Chicago);
BRICHKE (Rogachev, Novgorad Volynskiy, New Jersey, Chicago); SHARE /
CHERNORUDSKY (Berdichev, Chicago); SMASON (Grodno, Philadelphia, Denver,
Chicago); KNOPF (Berlin, Germany Philadelphia, Chicago); REDMAN (Ladyzhinka,
Chicago); SHPARAGO (Dubova, Ternovka, Nikolaev)
-diane,daniel, and the dogs....still howling at the moon-
didado@mindspring.com

Hi

This morning at a garage sale in Kikar Dizengoff, Tel Aviv, I saw an album
containing photographs of an American serviceman named Moe Liberman
which appear to have been taken during World War Two.
The address is given as 690 Fort Washington, NYC
This is rather a large album with dozens of off-duty photographs,
including groups.
There is also details of a petrol ration card for a Chrysler.

If anyone can recognise this and is interested
I can put you in touch with the present owner.

Shirley
London England
at present in Tel Aviv

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately

Hi

This morning at a garage sale in Kikar Dizengoff, Tel Aviv, I saw an album
containing photographs of an American serviceman named Moe Liberman
which appear to have been taken during World War Two.
The address is given as 690 Fort Washington, NYC
This is rather a large album with dozens of off-duty photographs,
including groups.
There is also details of a petrol ration card for a Chrysler.

If anyone can recognise this and is interested
I can put you in touch with the present owner.

Shirley
London England
at present in Tel Aviv

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately

I have posted on JewishGen a ViewMate file which is >from the back of a family
photo postcard. A friend who was unable to read the message told me she
thinks that the language is Yiddish but that there are some Belarussian and
Ukranian words as well. The family was >from the Kobrin/Divin area in
Belarus, although some family members moved across the border to Wel'ka
Glusha in the Ukraine. The direct address of my ViewMate file is

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1775.html

If you do not wish to use the direct address, the general ViewMate address is
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html The file is #1775. Even if
you can translate only a few words, I would appreciate it very much if you
would let me know whatever you can understand. Please answer privately to
egrdn@aol.com

Eleanor Gordon
Lafayette, CA

I have posted on JewishGen a ViewMate file which is >from the back of a family
photo postcard. A friend who was unable to read the message told me she
thinks that the language is Yiddish but that there are some Belarussian and
Ukranian words as well. The family was >from the Kobrin/Divin area in
Belarus, although some family members moved across the border to Wel'ka
Glusha in the Ukraine. The direct address of my ViewMate file is

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1775.html

If you do not wish to use the direct address, the general ViewMate address is
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html The file is #1775. Even if
you can translate only a few words, I would appreciate it very much if you
would let me know whatever you can understand. Please answer privately to
egrdn@aol.com

Eleanor Gordon
Lafayette, CA

Dear friends:

Reviewing my late father's work on Jews of Upper Silesia, I came upon a
note that contained information I have now confirmed:

The LDS films 879,596 through 879,598, indexed under Baranowice
(Baranowitz), Katowice province, actually contain much more.

Specifically, they contain a wealth of information about:
Sohrau (Zory) for about 1812-1836 and 1847-1873
Loslau (Wodzislaw Slaski) 1826-1874
Rybnik for 1812-1874 (though more for the years before about 1850)
localities in Kreis Rybnik for 1812-1847

as well as:

Nieder-Belk for 1843-1847
Baranowitz for 1845-1848
Nieder-Schwirklan for 1848 (one record--for the Bielschowsky family).

In fact, the Baranowitz material takes up only a few frames at the
beginning of the film.

The contents of the film are summarized accurately in a typed document
that appears at the beginning of the first of the three reels of film.

My father's notes indicate that a similar situation holds for film
864,953, which is listed as containing material about Neu-Berun (Bierun
Nowy); but I have not yet seen this film.

My question to all of you:

Have you found such uncatalogued material on other films, whether from
the LDS Family History Library or elsewhere? If so, please describe it
for us.

Let me state unequivocally that:
--I consider the LDS/FHL efforts to be noble and highly valuable,
--they have to date provided vast amounts of information at minimal cost
to thousands and thousands of researchers,
--I consider the state of affairs described above to be merely an
oversight,
--I am circulating the information in this note, and making my request,
strictly in the interest of making a good thing better.

May all of us be inscribed in the Book of Life for the coming year, and
may all of us have success in discovering the inscriptions we seek in
other books!

Roger Lustig <trovato@bellatlantic.net>

Researching Upper Silesia, Jöhlingen (Baden), Netra (Hessen),
Hockenheim, Speyer, etc.

Dear friends:

Reviewing my late father's work on Jews of Upper Silesia, I came upon a
note that contained information I have now confirmed:

The LDS films 879,596 through 879,598, indexed under Baranowice
(Baranowitz), Katowice province, actually contain much more.

Specifically, they contain a wealth of information about:
Sohrau (Zory) for about 1812-1836 and 1847-1873
Loslau (Wodzislaw Slaski) 1826-1874
Rybnik for 1812-1874 (though more for the years before about 1850)
localities in Kreis Rybnik for 1812-1847

as well as:

Nieder-Belk for 1843-1847
Baranowitz for 1845-1848
Nieder-Schwirklan for 1848 (one record--for the Bielschowsky family).

In fact, the Baranowitz material takes up only a few frames at the
beginning of the film.

The contents of the film are summarized accurately in a typed document
that appears at the beginning of the first of the three reels of film.

My father's notes indicate that a similar situation holds for film
864,953, which is listed as containing material about Neu-Berun (Bierun
Nowy); but I have not yet seen this film.

My question to all of you:

Have you found such uncatalogued material on other films, whether from
the LDS Family History Library or elsewhere? If so, please describe it
for us.

Let me state unequivocally that:
--I consider the LDS/FHL efforts to be noble and highly valuable,
--they have to date provided vast amounts of information at minimal cost
to thousands and thousands of researchers,
--I consider the state of affairs described above to be merely an
oversight,
--I am circulating the information in this note, and making my request,
strictly in the interest of making a good thing better.

May all of us be inscribed in the Book of Life for the coming year, and
may all of us have success in discovering the inscriptions we seek in
other books!

Roger Lustig <trovato@bellatlantic.net>

Researching Upper Silesia, Jöhlingen (Baden), Netra (Hessen),
Hockenheim, Speyer, etc.