Hi

This morning at a garage sale in Kikar Dizengoff, Tel Aviv, I saw an album
containing photographs of an American serviceman named Moe Liberman
which appear to have been taken during World War Two.
The address is given as 690 Fort Washington, NYC
This is rather a large album with dozens of off-duty photographs,
including groups.
There is also details of a petrol ration card for a Chrysler.

If anyone can recognise this and is interested
I can put you in touch with the present owner.

Shirley
London England
at present in Tel Aviv

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately

Hi

This morning at a garage sale in Kikar Dizengoff, Tel Aviv, I saw an album
containing photographs of an American serviceman named Moe Liberman
which appear to have been taken during World War Two.
The address is given as 690 Fort Washington, NYC
This is rather a large album with dozens of off-duty photographs,
including groups.
There is also details of a petrol ration card for a Chrysler.

If anyone can recognise this and is interested
I can put you in touch with the present owner.

Shirley
London England
at present in Tel Aviv

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately

I have posted on JewishGen a ViewMate file which is >from the back of a family
photo postcard. A friend who was unable to read the message told me she
thinks that the language is Yiddish but that there are some Belarussian and
Ukranian words as well. The family was >from the Kobrin/Divin area in
Belarus, although some family members moved across the border to Wel'ka
Glusha in the Ukraine. The direct address of my ViewMate file is

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1775.html

If you do not wish to use the direct address, the general ViewMate address is
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html The file is #1775. Even if
you can translate only a few words, I would appreciate it very much if you
would let me know whatever you can understand. Please answer privately to
egrdn@aol.com

Eleanor Gordon
Lafayette, CA

I have posted on JewishGen a ViewMate file which is >from the back of a family
photo postcard. A friend who was unable to read the message told me she
thinks that the language is Yiddish but that there are some Belarussian and
Ukranian words as well. The family was >from the Kobrin/Divin area in
Belarus, although some family members moved across the border to Wel'ka
Glusha in the Ukraine. The direct address of my ViewMate file is

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1775.html

If you do not wish to use the direct address, the general ViewMate address is
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html The file is #1775. Even if
you can translate only a few words, I would appreciate it very much if you
would let me know whatever you can understand. Please answer privately to
egrdn@aol.com

Eleanor Gordon
Lafayette, CA

Dear friends:

Reviewing my late father's work on Jews of Upper Silesia, I came upon a
note that contained information I have now confirmed:

The LDS films 879,596 through 879,598, indexed under Baranowice
(Baranowitz), Katowice province, actually contain much more.

Specifically, they contain a wealth of information about:
Sohrau (Zory) for about 1812-1836 and 1847-1873
Loslau (Wodzislaw Slaski) 1826-1874
Rybnik for 1812-1874 (though more for the years before about 1850)
localities in Kreis Rybnik for 1812-1847

as well as:

Nieder-Belk for 1843-1847
Baranowitz for 1845-1848
Nieder-Schwirklan for 1848 (one record--for the Bielschowsky family).

In fact, the Baranowitz material takes up only a few frames at the
beginning of the film.

The contents of the film are summarized accurately in a typed document
that appears at the beginning of the first of the three reels of film.

My father's notes indicate that a similar situation holds for film
864,953, which is listed as containing material about Neu-Berun (Bierun
Nowy); but I have not yet seen this film.

My question to all of you:

Have you found such uncatalogued material on other films, whether from
the LDS Family History Library or elsewhere? If so, please describe it
for us.

Let me state unequivocally that:
--I consider the LDS/FHL efforts to be noble and highly valuable,
--they have to date provided vast amounts of information at minimal cost
to thousands and thousands of researchers,
--I consider the state of affairs described above to be merely an
oversight,
--I am circulating the information in this note, and making my request,
strictly in the interest of making a good thing better.

May all of us be inscribed in the Book of Life for the coming year, and
may all of us have success in discovering the inscriptions we seek in
other books!

Roger Lustig <trovato@bellatlantic.net>

Researching Upper Silesia, Jöhlingen (Baden), Netra (Hessen),
Hockenheim, Speyer, etc.

Dear friends:

Reviewing my late father's work on Jews of Upper Silesia, I came upon a
note that contained information I have now confirmed:

The LDS films 879,596 through 879,598, indexed under Baranowice
(Baranowitz), Katowice province, actually contain much more.

Specifically, they contain a wealth of information about:
Sohrau (Zory) for about 1812-1836 and 1847-1873
Loslau (Wodzislaw Slaski) 1826-1874
Rybnik for 1812-1874 (though more for the years before about 1850)
localities in Kreis Rybnik for 1812-1847

as well as:

Nieder-Belk for 1843-1847
Baranowitz for 1845-1848
Nieder-Schwirklan for 1848 (one record--for the Bielschowsky family).

In fact, the Baranowitz material takes up only a few frames at the
beginning of the film.

The contents of the film are summarized accurately in a typed document
that appears at the beginning of the first of the three reels of film.

My father's notes indicate that a similar situation holds for film
864,953, which is listed as containing material about Neu-Berun (Bierun
Nowy); but I have not yet seen this film.

My question to all of you:

Have you found such uncatalogued material on other films, whether from
the LDS Family History Library or elsewhere? If so, please describe it
for us.

Let me state unequivocally that:
--I consider the LDS/FHL efforts to be noble and highly valuable,
--they have to date provided vast amounts of information at minimal cost
to thousands and thousands of researchers,
--I consider the state of affairs described above to be merely an
oversight,
--I am circulating the information in this note, and making my request,
strictly in the interest of making a good thing better.

May all of us be inscribed in the Book of Life for the coming year, and
may all of us have success in discovering the inscriptions we seek in
other books!

Roger Lustig <trovato@bellatlantic.net>

Researching Upper Silesia, Jöhlingen (Baden), Netra (Hessen),
Hockenheim, Speyer, etc.

Martin Kurrein writes:

I'm researching ancestors and descendants of Louis LOEWE (Moses
Montefiore's secretary and biographer), and the ancestors of Rabbi Adolf
KURREIN, father Markus KURREIN (Gorein, Corein?) 1802-1848, of Trebic.
The LOEWE descendants are not too difficult. It's the ancestors that are
causing me more problems. He appears to have been born LEVY (his father

was Jacob Simon LEVY of Zulz, Silesia, who was also known by the name
GOLDSCHMID).>
-------
The Staatsbürgerverzeichnis for upper and middle Silesia published
around 1815 lists the names of heads of households who had taken
citizenship in 1812-1814. There is no Louis LOEWE listed. (Louis isn't
a common name on the list--only 12 or so out of over 3750 names.)

Ludwig would be a Germanized form, but it's even rarer: 3 cases in all,
nobody named LOEWE or anything similar. Loebel would be a possibility,
but there are many, many Loebels.

If Jacob Simon LEVY was alive in 1812, he would likely have been a head
of household--unless I'm misreading or assuming too much in the above.

There is no Jacob Simon LEVY/LEWY/LEVI/LEWI in Zülz (or anywhere else)
on this register. However:
--There is nobody with any of those surnames in Zülz, out of 4 LEWIs, 5
LEWINs, and 51 LEWIs.
--There are 11 LÖWEs in the register, 10 of them in Zülz.
--There are 4 LÖWYs, 3 of them in Zülz, including one Jacob Simon LÖWY.
He is assigned the number 2206. This number is important because some
localities used it as a reference number in registers kept over the next
decades.
If you have access to Zülz records, you might begin with this individual.

Two caveats: the register sometimes lists place of residence as of 1812,
and sometimes the birthplace, without differentiating. And remember:
these are heads of households only. Spouses and children of any age
living with the head of household will not appear here. Glückauf!

Roger Lustig <trovato@bellatlantic.net>

MODERATOR NOTE: We ask all members to include their city and state
or nation of residence in signing posts to GerSig. Your cooperation
will be appreciated.

Martin Kurrein writes:

I'm researching ancestors and descendants of Louis LOEWE (Moses
Montefiore's secretary and biographer), and the ancestors of Rabbi Adolf
KURREIN, father Markus KURREIN (Gorein, Corein?) 1802-1848, of Trebic.
The LOEWE descendants are not too difficult. It's the ancestors that are
causing me more problems. He appears to have been born LEVY (his father

was Jacob Simon LEVY of Zulz, Silesia, who was also known by the name
GOLDSCHMID).>
-------
The Staatsbürgerverzeichnis for upper and middle Silesia published
around 1815 lists the names of heads of households who had taken
citizenship in 1812-1814. There is no Louis LOEWE listed. (Louis isn't
a common name on the list--only 12 or so out of over 3750 names.)

Ludwig would be a Germanized form, but it's even rarer: 3 cases in all,
nobody named LOEWE or anything similar. Loebel would be a possibility,
but there are many, many Loebels.

If Jacob Simon LEVY was alive in 1812, he would likely have been a head
of household--unless I'm misreading or assuming too much in the above.

There is no Jacob Simon LEVY/LEWY/LEVI/LEWI in Zülz (or anywhere else)
on this register. However:
--There is nobody with any of those surnames in Zülz, out of 4 LEWIs, 5
LEWINs, and 51 LEWIs.
--There are 11 LÖWEs in the register, 10 of them in Zülz.
--There are 4 LÖWYs, 3 of them in Zülz, including one Jacob Simon LÖWY.
He is assigned the number 2206. This number is important because some
localities used it as a reference number in registers kept over the next
decades.
If you have access to Zülz records, you might begin with this individual.

Two caveats: the register sometimes lists place of residence as of 1812,
and sometimes the birthplace, without differentiating. And remember:
these are heads of households only. Spouses and children of any age
living with the head of household will not appear here. Glückauf!

Roger Lustig <trovato@bellatlantic.net>

MODERATOR NOTE: We ask all members to include their city and state
or nation of residence in signing posts to GerSig. Your cooperation
will be appreciated.

I'm researching the family of a Morris SHORN who lived with his
wife Yetta and children in London's East End up to early 1930's
(or later). The Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain has
downloaded many of the burial records for the Edmonton Cemetery
as well as death and stone setting announcements >from the Jewish
Chronicle (London). One of internment records is for a Deborah
SHORN, age 6, who died on 5th Oct. 1918; parents Maurice and
Yetta SHORN. (Possible cause of death the Spanish flu, that
killed millions in Europe and the U.S. in 1918.)

Coming across this record was a real coup! This is the first time
I've managed to find any BMD records for the SHORN family. (Morris
SHORN was a cousin of some kind of my maternal grandmother Sarah
Rachel ROSE/DROZDIASZ nee SAFIRSTEIN.)

There was also an Anthony Alfred SHORN (wife Faye) whose death
and stone setting announcement was recorded by the Jewish Chronicle
on 4th January 1996. (Age not given) Anthony (or Tony) was
probably Maurice (Morris)'s and Yetta's son.

Other death and stone settings were for the following:
Bessie SHORN, age 94, DOD 12 Sept. 1999
Gloria SHORN (maiden name Bennett), DOD 10th Oct. 1997

If anyone is planning to visit the cemetery, soon, and would
consider taking pictures of the SHORN family's headstones on my
behalf, I'd be very grateful and pleased to remunerate him/her for
any expenses involved.

I'm particularly interested in knowing where and when Maurice
(Morris) SHORN died and was buried. Like my maternal grandparents
(Israel and Sarah Rachel ROSE/DROZDIASZ) Morris SHORN may have come

from Karczew, Poland (or the environs thereof). Am hoping that the

inscription on his headstone will include the name of his father.

I'm hoping that the family purchased a family lot -- or at least
were buried fairly close together in the Cemetery.

Please reply privately.

Naidia Woolf
San Francisco, Ca
Formerly >from Birmingham, England
rnwoolf@earthlink.net

Researching:
KIJAWSKI/KUJAWSKI/KUIAWSKI, Lodz, Poland
DROZDIASZ/DROZDASH, Karczew, Poland
SAPERSTEIN/SAFIRSTEIN/SUPERSTAYN, Karczew, Poland
ISAACS (family of Solomon & Sarah), Poland, town unknown
SHORN/SHORR/SCHORR (family of Morris and Yetta SHORN), Poland,
town unknown

I'm researching the family of a Morris SHORN who lived with his
wife Yetta and children in London's East End up to early 1930's
(or later). The Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain has
downloaded many of the burial records for the Edmonton Cemetery
as well as death and stone setting announcements >from the Jewish
Chronicle (London). One of internment records is for a Deborah
SHORN, age 6, who died on 5th Oct. 1918; parents Maurice and
Yetta SHORN. (Possible cause of death the Spanish flu, that
killed millions in Europe and the U.S. in 1918.)

Coming across this record was a real coup! This is the first time
I've managed to find any BMD records for the SHORN family. (Morris
SHORN was a cousin of some kind of my maternal grandmother Sarah
Rachel ROSE/DROZDIASZ nee SAFIRSTEIN.)

There was also an Anthony Alfred SHORN (wife Faye) whose death
and stone setting announcement was recorded by the Jewish Chronicle
on 4th January 1996. (Age not given) Anthony (or Tony) was
probably Maurice (Morris)'s and Yetta's son.

Other death and stone settings were for the following:
Bessie SHORN, age 94, DOD 12 Sept. 1999
Gloria SHORN (maiden name Bennett), DOD 10th Oct. 1997

If anyone is planning to visit the cemetery, soon, and would
consider taking pictures of the SHORN family's headstones on my
behalf, I'd be very grateful and pleased to remunerate him/her for
any expenses involved.

I'm particularly interested in knowing where and when Maurice
(Morris) SHORN died and was buried. Like my maternal grandparents
(Israel and Sarah Rachel ROSE/DROZDIASZ) Morris SHORN may have come

from Karczew, Poland (or the environs thereof). Am hoping that the

inscription on his headstone will include the name of his father.

I'm hoping that the family purchased a family lot -- or at least
were buried fairly close together in the Cemetery.

Please reply privately.

Naidia Woolf
San Francisco, Ca
Formerly >from Birmingham, England
rnwoolf@earthlink.net

Researching:
KIJAWSKI/KUJAWSKI/KUIAWSKI, Lodz, Poland
DROZDIASZ/DROZDASH, Karczew, Poland
SAPERSTEIN/SAFIRSTEIN/SUPERSTAYN, Karczew, Poland
ISAACS (family of Solomon & Sarah), Poland, town unknown
SHORN/SHORR/SCHORR (family of Morris and Yetta SHORN), Poland,
town unknown

To the specialists on the JAFFE family:

Jehuda Leib VILNER (1764-1816), son of the Vilna Gaon married a
daughter of Abraham of Serhei and Esther JAFFE. (>from Chaim
FREEDMAN's book).
Who are Esther's ancestors?
I have this list. Is it correct? Is it possible to complete it?

JAFFE Meir N : ../../1420
1 JAFFE Eliezer Ben Meir N : ../../1450
1.1 JAFFE Joseph Ben Eliezer N : ../../1475
1.1.1 JAFFE Abraham N : ../../1500 D : ../../1564 Prague?
1.1.1.1 JAFFE Mordechai N : ../../1530 Prague (TCH)
D : ../../1612 Posen
1.1.1.1.1 JAFFE Jehuda Loeb N : ../../1565 Berlin
1.1.1.1.1.1 JAFFE Abraham N : ../../1595
1.1.1.1.1.1.1 JAFFE Jacob Israel N : ../../1625
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 JAFFE Nehemias Ben Jacob Israel N : ../../1655
D :../../1732
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 JAFFE Lazarus Nehemias N : ../../1704 Breslau
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1A x Machla Jacob N : ../../1705
M : ../11/1730
D : 02/05/1773 Berlin
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 JAFFE Marcus Lazarus Mordecai
N : 04/08/1740 Berlin
D : 07/11/1813 Schwerin
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1A xSEGAL Golda Bat Eisick N : ../../1740 Lissa
D : 15/10/1801 Schwerin
etc....
1.1.1.1.1.2 JAFFE Aron N : ../../1605 D : ../../1651 Uman ?
1.1.1.1.1.2.1 JAFFE Israel Saba N : ../../1642 Uman
D : ../../1702 Francfort (Oder)
1.1.1.1.1.2.1A xTEOMIM N
1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1 JAFFE N : ../../1670
1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 JAFFE N : ../../1700
1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 JAFFE N : ../../1730
1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 JAFFE Esther
1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1A x Avraham of Serhei
1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 N N N : Alinka (LIT)
1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1A xVILNER Jehuda Leib
N : ../../1764 D : ../../1816 Serhei (LIT)

Thank you in advance.

L'shana tova!

Micheline Gutmann, GenAmi, Paris, France
mailto:asso.genami@free.fr
http://asso.genami.free.fr

To the specialists on the JAFFE family:

Jehuda Leib VILNER (1764-1816), son of the Vilna Gaon married a
daughter of Abraham of Serhei and Esther JAFFE. (>from Chaim
FREEDMAN's book).
Who are Esther's ancestors?
I have this list. Is it correct? Is it possible to complete it?

JAFFE Meir N : ../../1420
1 JAFFE Eliezer Ben Meir N : ../../1450
1.1 JAFFE Joseph Ben Eliezer N : ../../1475
1.1.1 JAFFE Abraham N : ../../1500 D : ../../1564 Prague?
1.1.1.1 JAFFE Mordechai N : ../../1530 Prague (TCH)
D : ../../1612 Posen
1.1.1.1.1 JAFFE Jehuda Loeb N : ../../1565 Berlin
1.1.1.1.1.1 JAFFE Abraham N : ../../1595
1.1.1.1.1.1.1 JAFFE Jacob Israel N : ../../1625
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 JAFFE Nehemias Ben Jacob Israel N : ../../1655
D :../../1732
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 JAFFE Lazarus Nehemias N : ../../1704 Breslau
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1A x Machla Jacob N : ../../1705
M : ../11/1730
D : 02/05/1773 Berlin
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 JAFFE Marcus Lazarus Mordecai
N : 04/08/1740 Berlin
D : 07/11/1813 Schwerin
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1A xSEGAL Golda Bat Eisick N : ../../1740 Lissa
D : 15/10/1801 Schwerin
etc....
1.1.1.1.1.2 JAFFE Aron N : ../../1605 D : ../../1651 Uman ?
1.1.1.1.1.2.1 JAFFE Israel Saba N : ../../1642 Uman
D : ../../1702 Francfort (Oder)
1.1.1.1.1.2.1A xTEOMIM N
1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1 JAFFE N : ../../1670
1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 JAFFE N : ../../1700
1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 JAFFE N : ../../1730
1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 JAFFE Esther
1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1A x Avraham of Serhei
1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 N N N : Alinka (LIT)
1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1A xVILNER Jehuda Leib
N : ../../1764 D : ../../1816 Serhei (LIT)

Thank you in advance.

L'shana tova!

Micheline Gutmann, GenAmi, Paris, France
mailto:asso.genami@free.fr
http://asso.genami.free.fr

...Did your elusive person create any records in England? Did

he marry there, have children there, work there, get enumerated on
a census there, a witness to a marriage, or have legal issues there?
How about any other family members? Maybe this can give you a clue
as well. Is his name in the Poor Jews Shelter? I too have a very
elusive person the came in >from England. I cannot find him because
I do not know what name he stayed there under. He did not live with
his parents.<<<

Similar problem on this end: Isidor and Mary probably would not
have left many, if any, records in England, but Mary's sister and
her husband traveled with Isidor and Mary to England, intending to
continue to the US. They were cheated out of their passage fare
and remained in England. Legend has it that the sister, Celia, was
expecting a child. Legend further has it that they set up an
apothecary shop in Petticoat Lane. Unfortunately, confirming any
of this is difficult because the only definite original surname I
have is the Pschedesky, the maiden names of Mary and Celia. I
don't even have the first name of Celia's husband. So, it's combing
through the passenger lists for me, though I'm also patiently waiting
for the 1901 London census to come online so that I can find out the
Enumeration district for Petticoat Lane and start combing through
to look for apothecaries (and hope for accuracy of the legend!).

He could have been Barnet(t) SHAPIRO. He could have been Benzion

SZABAS or something that sounds like SZABAS or SHABBAS. I know he
was there, I just have to find the records. He was there for about
12 years. Good luck in your search,
Linda Altman - Raleigh, NC<<<

Understood! I have a feeling that the surname Isidor used once in
the US, Phillips, has very little relation to his actual surname,
and I'm still clinging vaguely to "Dadacz" -- this was the name of
his father as given in Isidor's death certificate. The father's
first name was "Moses", according to this, and recent support of
this statement reached me in the translation of the Hebrew inscription
of Isidor's grave stone, thanks to the efforts of the members of this
list.

Frustratingly, Isidor was occasionally in the habit of using "Isidor"
as a surname and Philip as a given one. Even more occasionally, he
uses Israel for a first name, and the Hebrew inscription of the
tombstone calls him Ytzack. So I'm guessing that his first name
was, indeed, something beginning with "I", which still leaves the
surname a mystery.

It's actually rather funny: when I first started tracing, I was
sure that Isidor would be fairly easy to track while the Maltinskys
would be almost purposefully annoying. And it's just the opposite:
the Maltinskys are yielding living relatives and bits of information
all over the place, and I can't get to first base with Isidor.

Example: Just got the marriage certificate for PA-based Samuel
Maltinsky and discovered his wife's maiden name was Gulke Kunst,

from "Russia". Census reports say she and Samuel were married the

same year she came over (though they miscalculate and state 1890
instead of 1891), so tracing her arrival into (presumably)
Philadelphia port shouldn't be that hard. Also guessing >from
the documented timing that she came over expressly to marry Samuel
and am guessing this means she came >from Latvia, if not Rezhitsa,
though I haven't found too many "Kunst" families in the Latvia SIG.
We'll see what turns up.

That'll teach me to assume.

Wishing all Genners a good new year.

Maria Torres
elena@pipeline.com
MALTINSKY, RUBINSTEIN, ZELLAT (Latvia, PA, GA, NY); NOTIS (Kovno,
NY); KUNST (Russia: Latvia?, PA); PHILLIPS (DADACZ/DUDACZ/
ISIDOR/EISENDOR), PSCHEDESKY (Poland, UK, NY)

Marc Manson,

I liked you message,"worth looking for high school records? *Yes*"
I just recently came across my mothers, Haddon Heights, New Jersey
H. S. yearbook the year that she graduated. Mom is 89 years old.
She had not looked at the book in years and it brought back a lot
of memories for her. She talked about everything. It was a
fantastic conversation and you are right I learned things I never
new.

She talked about all her friends and hopes and dreams.

Thank you for your post.

Marilyn van Aalten Hiller
Florida

Searching: van Aalten; de Wind, Levy, Bowman, Boxold, Chase, Whitehill

...Did your elusive person create any records in England? Did

he marry there, have children there, work there, get enumerated on
a census there, a witness to a marriage, or have legal issues there?
How about any other family members? Maybe this can give you a clue
as well. Is his name in the Poor Jews Shelter? I too have a very
elusive person the came in >from England. I cannot find him because
I do not know what name he stayed there under. He did not live with
his parents.<<<

Similar problem on this end: Isidor and Mary probably would not
have left many, if any, records in England, but Mary's sister and
her husband traveled with Isidor and Mary to England, intending to
continue to the US. They were cheated out of their passage fare
and remained in England. Legend has it that the sister, Celia, was
expecting a child. Legend further has it that they set up an
apothecary shop in Petticoat Lane. Unfortunately, confirming any
of this is difficult because the only definite original surname I
have is the Pschedesky, the maiden names of Mary and Celia. I
don't even have the first name of Celia's husband. So, it's combing
through the passenger lists for me, though I'm also patiently waiting
for the 1901 London census to come online so that I can find out the
Enumeration district for Petticoat Lane and start combing through
to look for apothecaries (and hope for accuracy of the legend!).

He could have been Barnet(t) SHAPIRO. He could have been Benzion

SZABAS or something that sounds like SZABAS or SHABBAS. I know he
was there, I just have to find the records. He was there for about
12 years. Good luck in your search,
Linda Altman - Raleigh, NC<<<

Understood! I have a feeling that the surname Isidor used once in
the US, Phillips, has very little relation to his actual surname,
and I'm still clinging vaguely to "Dadacz" -- this was the name of
his father as given in Isidor's death certificate. The father's
first name was "Moses", according to this, and recent support of
this statement reached me in the translation of the Hebrew inscription
of Isidor's grave stone, thanks to the efforts of the members of this
list.

Frustratingly, Isidor was occasionally in the habit of using "Isidor"
as a surname and Philip as a given one. Even more occasionally, he
uses Israel for a first name, and the Hebrew inscription of the
tombstone calls him Ytzack. So I'm guessing that his first name
was, indeed, something beginning with "I", which still leaves the
surname a mystery.

It's actually rather funny: when I first started tracing, I was
sure that Isidor would be fairly easy to track while the Maltinskys
would be almost purposefully annoying. And it's just the opposite:
the Maltinskys are yielding living relatives and bits of information
all over the place, and I can't get to first base with Isidor.

Example: Just got the marriage certificate for PA-based Samuel
Maltinsky and discovered his wife's maiden name was Gulke Kunst,

from "Russia". Census reports say she and Samuel were married the

same year she came over (though they miscalculate and state 1890
instead of 1891), so tracing her arrival into (presumably)
Philadelphia port shouldn't be that hard. Also guessing >from
the documented timing that she came over expressly to marry Samuel
and am guessing this means she came >from Latvia, if not Rezhitsa,
though I haven't found too many "Kunst" families in the Latvia SIG.
We'll see what turns up.

That'll teach me to assume.

Wishing all Genners a good new year.

Maria Torres
elena@pipeline.com
MALTINSKY, RUBINSTEIN, ZELLAT (Latvia, PA, GA, NY); NOTIS (Kovno,
NY); KUNST (Russia: Latvia?, PA); PHILLIPS (DADACZ/DUDACZ/
ISIDOR/EISENDOR), PSCHEDESKY (Poland, UK, NY)

Marc Manson,

I liked you message,"worth looking for high school records? *Yes*"
I just recently came across my mothers, Haddon Heights, New Jersey
H. S. yearbook the year that she graduated. Mom is 89 years old.
She had not looked at the book in years and it brought back a lot
of memories for her. She talked about everything. It was a
fantastic conversation and you are right I learned things I never
new.

She talked about all her friends and hopes and dreams.

Thank you for your post.

Marilyn van Aalten Hiller
Florida

Searching: van Aalten; de Wind, Levy, Bowman, Boxold, Chase, Whitehill

Does anyone know the name of the Hebrew School in Ungvar/Uzhgorod,
especially during the early 1900's until 1944?

Would also be interested to know if any student and faculty lists exist,
similar to those in other towns and cities.

Thank you in advance.

Norm and Jean Fuhrer
On Florida's Spacecoast - USA

Does anyone know the name of the Hebrew School in Ungvar/Uzhgorod,
especially during the early 1900's until 1944?

Would also be interested to know if any student and faculty lists exist,
similar to those in other towns and cities.

Thank you in advance.

Norm and Jean Fuhrer
On Florida's Spacecoast - USA

Dear friends,

There's a (slight) possibility that I'll visit some of the following
towns (hopefully next month but if not then maybe next year...)
and would very much appreciate suggestions regarding these places,
their cemeteries, other cemeteries which were used by the people of
the towns, accommodation, contacts etc.
Also, if anyone has documents (maybe LDS films) or easy access to it
I would appreciate if you can let me know.

The towns are:

1)Chonkovce and Sobrance, east Slovakia.

2)Namestovo, north Slovakia.

3)Chernotisov, Ukraine (Hungarian name: Fekete-Ardo)

The last place is not in our area but anyways...

4)Altenkunstadt, a village in Bavaria, Germany.
I believe that before 1620 the jews of the village
used the cemetery in Burgkunstadt.

If anyone is interested in those places, needs cemetery look-ups
etc. please let me know.

Thank you very much!
Gmar Chatima Tova,
Tomer Brunner, Israel.

(if its not of general interest please reply privately)

Dear friends,

There's a (slight) possibility that I'll visit some of the following
towns (hopefully next month but if not then maybe next year...)
and would very much appreciate suggestions regarding these places,
their cemeteries, other cemeteries which were used by the people of
the towns, accommodation, contacts etc.
Also, if anyone has documents (maybe LDS films) or easy access to it
I would appreciate if you can let me know.

The towns are:

1)Chonkovce and Sobrance, east Slovakia.

2)Namestovo, north Slovakia.

3)Chernotisov, Ukraine (Hungarian name: Fekete-Ardo)

The last place is not in our area but anyways...

4)Altenkunstadt, a village in Bavaria, Germany.
I believe that before 1620 the jews of the village
used the cemetery in Burgkunstadt.

If anyone is interested in those places, needs cemetery look-ups
etc. please let me know.

Thank you very much!
Gmar Chatima Tova,
Tomer Brunner, Israel.

(if its not of general interest please reply privately)