Are any of the 19th century Hungarian Jewish census records available on the www?

Attila Rona

Moderator VK: As Jordan Auslander reported in his presentation at the Toronto IAJGS conference, the Austro-Hungarian Empire conducted censuses of Jewish residents in 1725-27, 1735-39, 1743-45, 1767-68, and, of course, 1848. Partial censuses of other counties (e.g. Tolna, Zemplen) exist >from other years. Other national censuses (e.g. 1869) identified the persons enumerated by religion including Jews. Jordan says that some of these records are preserved in regional archjives. I am not aware of any exhaustive listing of repositories of Jewish census records and have not come across any of the Jewish enumerations on-line except for those files posted on the H-SIG website and partial translations submitted to this list and preserved in the JewishGen archives. If anyone has come across such records please let us know!

Be aware that some of the postings regarding the availability of records regards vital records, not census records. This is a different matter if only because vital records were created and maintained at the local level. In a 1996 Avotaynu article on Czech and Slovak research, Ed Luft explained, for example, that in areas of Slovakia that were formerly part of Hungary, records more than 100 years old had to be transferred >from the local record offices that created them to the local archives unless they were of national relevance in which case they were transferred to national archives. Some books, indexes, and associated records remained in local record offices even though they were more than 100 years old because the book or index also included records that were less than 100 years old.

Are any of the 19th century Hungarian Jewish census records available on the www?

Attila Rona

Moderator VK: As Jordan Auslander reported in his presentation at the Toronto IAJGS conference, the Austro-Hungarian Empire conducted censuses of Jewish residents in 1725-27, 1735-39, 1743-45, 1767-68, and, of course, 1848. Partial censuses of other counties (e.g. Tolna, Zemplen) exist >from other years. Other national censuses (e.g. 1869) identified the persons enumerated by religion including Jews. Jordan says that some of these records are preserved in regional archjives. I am not aware of any exhaustive listing of repositories of Jewish census records and have not come across any of the Jewish enumerations on-line except for those files posted on the H-SIG website and partial translations submitted to this list and preserved in the JewishGen archives. If anyone has come across such records please let us know!

Be aware that some of the postings regarding the availability of records regards vital records, not census records. This is a different matter if only because vital records were created and maintained at the local level. In a 1996 Avotaynu article on Czech and Slovak research, Ed Luft explained, for example, that in areas of Slovakia that were formerly part of Hungary, records more than 100 years old had to be transferred >from the local record offices that created them to the local archives unless they were of national relevance in which case they were transferred to national archives. Some books, indexes, and associated records remained in local record offices even though they were more than 100 years old because the book or index also included records that were less than 100 years old.

Hi list,

I am trying to look up a name of my ancestors >from Prague in Simon Hook's
book *Die Familien Prags*. This book is in written in Hebrew and shows the
tombstone inscriptions of the Old Jewish Cemetery in Prague. The name I am
looking for is UTITZ. I have tried various possibilities but cannot find
it. It should be in the book because UTITZ is an old Prague name.

I tried Alef, vav, tet, yud, tzadi but without success. I also tried Ayin
as the first letter without success, too.
Does anybody know the name and its Hebrew spelling.

Thank you
Peter Zimmer
M=FCnster
Germany

I am researching
BRANDEIS UTITZ KATZ POHL LANG KAUDERS SCHMELKES NACHOD

Hi list,

I am trying to look up a name of my ancestors >from Prague in Simon Hook's
book *Die Familien Prags*. This book is in written in Hebrew and shows the
tombstone inscriptions of the Old Jewish Cemetery in Prague. The name I am
looking for is UTITZ. I have tried various possibilities but cannot find
it. It should be in the book because UTITZ is an old Prague name.

I tried Alef, vav, tet, yud, tzadi but without success. I also tried Ayin
as the first letter without success, too.
Does anybody know the name and its Hebrew spelling.

Thank you
Peter Zimmer
M=FCnster
Germany

I am researching
BRANDEIS UTITZ KATZ POHL LANG KAUDERS SCHMELKES NACHOD

Dear SIGers,

I'm forwarding the reply I got >from the distinguished Prof. Gyemant of =
the Cluj-Napoca University.
The question was regarding available vital records in Transylvania >from =
1900-1940.

Enjoy,

Arik Solomon
Petah Tikva
Israel
ariksolo@zahav.net.il

Researching:
SOLOMON (SALAMON,SALOMON), >from TURT (TURCZ)
NEUFELD, >from VAMA (VAMFALU)
GRUN, >from SATU MARE (SZATMAR)
FEIG, >from RUSCOVA (VISOOROSZI)

Dear SIGers,

I'm forwarding the reply I got >from the distinguished Prof. Gyemant of =
the Cluj-Napoca University.
The question was regarding available vital records in Transylvania >from =
1900-1940.

Enjoy,

Arik Solomon
Petah Tikva
Israel
ariksolo@zahav.net.il

Researching:
SOLOMON (SALAMON,SALOMON), >from TURT (TURCZ)
NEUFELD, >from VAMA (VAMFALU)
GRUN, >from SATU MARE (SZATMAR)
FEIG, >from RUSCOVA (VISOOROSZI)

The Canadian Jewish News announced that Germany
will pay pensions to anyone whose family is of German
descent - including Jews >from Eastern Europe.

So my cousin's husband asked me to research his family
to see if they came >from any German-speaking country.

This fellow's name is DESZO SCHONBERGER.
He is >from BUDAPEST.

His father, PAL Schonberger, came from
BIHARKERESZTESZ.

Pal Schonberger's father was LIPOT Schonberger.
Family tales says that Lipot, participated in the 1848 uprising.

People had a hard time understanding him because
he hardly spoke any Hungarian, being primarily German
speaking.

If anyone is familiar with the Schonbergers of
Biharkeresztesz - or the German pension law -
I would be interested in hearing about it.

Regards,

Michael Kelemen

Thanks to Henry Wellisch, I've been able to order copies of the 1781
Jewish census of Trencin county, Hungary as well as the city of Trencin.
Even though this census does not include surnames, it has still been a
valuable resource for me. Because I was already aware of naming patterns
within the families I've been studying, I'm starting to identify likely
ancestors.

The census is remarkably legible and provides the name of the head of
household, his wife, and a list of all sons and daughters still residing
with the parents. In subsequent columns, it also lists the names of
servants and other people employed by the head of household.

In Vag Besztercze, there is a name that I cannot decipher. I've looked
through the entire census, and I've noted that the name is a recurring
one. But, each time I look at it, I can't make sense of it. Here is my
interpretation of what I think I'm reading:

Vag Besztercze, 1781
Marcus "VTesek" (?)
wife: Esztera
sons: Moizes, Hershl, and Kalman
daughters: Catharina and Rosalia

also--
Joseff "VPesek" (?)
wife: Esztera
sons: Jacob and Salomon
daughter: Anna

Comparing the first letter to the first letter in other words, I'm quite
certain that this name begins with a "V" and the last three letters are
"s - e - k". But, I cannot seem to go much further. Does anyone
recognize what this name might be?

I would be glad to send anyone photocopies of various pages where this
name appears. Thanks for your help.

Best regards,

Bob Hanscom

Trencin city families: KNOPFELMACHER, TAUBER, ZERKOWITZ, KOHN
Trencin county families: TESCHNER, WILHELM, KOHN

The Canadian Jewish News announced that Germany
will pay pensions to anyone whose family is of German
descent - including Jews >from Eastern Europe.

So my cousin's husband asked me to research his family
to see if they came >from any German-speaking country.

This fellow's name is DESZO SCHONBERGER.
He is >from BUDAPEST.

His father, PAL Schonberger, came from
BIHARKERESZTESZ.

Pal Schonberger's father was LIPOT Schonberger.
Family tales says that Lipot, participated in the 1848 uprising.

People had a hard time understanding him because
he hardly spoke any Hungarian, being primarily German
speaking.

If anyone is familiar with the Schonbergers of
Biharkeresztesz - or the German pension law -
I would be interested in hearing about it.

Regards,

Michael Kelemen

Thanks to Henry Wellisch, I've been able to order copies of the 1781
Jewish census of Trencin county, Hungary as well as the city of Trencin.
Even though this census does not include surnames, it has still been a
valuable resource for me. Because I was already aware of naming patterns
within the families I've been studying, I'm starting to identify likely
ancestors.

The census is remarkably legible and provides the name of the head of
household, his wife, and a list of all sons and daughters still residing
with the parents. In subsequent columns, it also lists the names of
servants and other people employed by the head of household.

In Vag Besztercze, there is a name that I cannot decipher. I've looked
through the entire census, and I've noted that the name is a recurring
one. But, each time I look at it, I can't make sense of it. Here is my
interpretation of what I think I'm reading:

Vag Besztercze, 1781
Marcus "VTesek" (?)
wife: Esztera
sons: Moizes, Hershl, and Kalman
daughters: Catharina and Rosalia

also--
Joseff "VPesek" (?)
wife: Esztera
sons: Jacob and Salomon
daughter: Anna

Comparing the first letter to the first letter in other words, I'm quite
certain that this name begins with a "V" and the last three letters are
"s - e - k". But, I cannot seem to go much further. Does anyone
recognize what this name might be?

I would be glad to send anyone photocopies of various pages where this
name appears. Thanks for your help.

Best regards,

Bob Hanscom

Trencin city families: KNOPFELMACHER, TAUBER, ZERKOWITZ, KOHN
Trencin county families: TESCHNER, WILHELM, KOHN

Hello All,

Jewish genealogy used to be a hard thing to come by. Information was
mostly based on scattered sources, and roumors of where to find things
were more prevelant than facts.

Thanks to hard work of a few, and help of many, this changed in the past
decade.

I think that those who come now take for granted the immense value in
JewishGen. We should not take it for granted. Go on line, take your credit
card and make a small donation to Jewishgen. Do it before this Rosh
Hashana and then again sometime this winter.

A once a year visit to the donation web page, can make a year-round
research happen. No one else will foot that bill for us. We better
maintain it ourselves.

Thanks.
--
-Yigal Rechtman
rechtman@aol.com
www.rechtman.com
www.rechtman.info

In my research, a relative mentioned that a daughter of Shayna Leah
RUSLANDER and Abraham Isaac STOLOWSKI married Rabbi Velvel MARGOLIS. I am
hoping to find someone who knows this family which had a son, Jack, at Yale
University-as a student or professor or floor cleaner, I don't know.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.

Hello All,

Jewish genealogy used to be a hard thing to come by. Information was
mostly based on scattered sources, and roumors of where to find things
were more prevelant than facts.

Thanks to hard work of a few, and help of many, this changed in the past
decade.

I think that those who come now take for granted the immense value in
JewishGen. We should not take it for granted. Go on line, take your credit
card and make a small donation to Jewishgen. Do it before this Rosh
Hashana and then again sometime this winter.

A once a year visit to the donation web page, can make a year-round
research happen. No one else will foot that bill for us. We better
maintain it ourselves.

Thanks.
--
-Yigal Rechtman
rechtman@aol.com
www.rechtman.com
www.rechtman.info

In my research, a relative mentioned that a daughter of Shayna Leah
RUSLANDER and Abraham Isaac STOLOWSKI married Rabbi Velvel MARGOLIS. I am
hoping to find someone who knows this family which had a son, Jack, at Yale
University-as a student or professor or floor cleaner, I don't know.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.

I am working on transcribing the partial HIAS records I have photographed

from the LDS records.

The only records I have involving Boston are:

ZIM, Isaac male 22 >from Russia Ship Westernland 19 AUG 1907 to Boston, MA
ZALUTSKY, Shoshe female 28 >from Russia Ship Haverford 05 NOV 1907 to
Boston, MA
ZAG?D, Galki female 19 >from ? Ship Haverford 17 FEB 1908 to Boston, MA

It's fairly easy to obtain LDS records if you are near a FHC. I had to send
twice to obtain the one I was looking for, though, because the number was
incorrect. It took an extra week, but they only charged me once. The staff
at the FHC was very helpful.

Vicki Ina Friedman
Waleska, GA, USA
dreambuilder@alltel.net

---Original Message---
The LDS has films for HIAS. I know that they have them for NY and
Philadelphia, there may be some for Boston as well. You can check online
at http://www.familysearch.org

Hope that this helps.

Linda Altman - Raleigh, NC

Apparently, New York City truck drivers were dangerous -

My paternal great-grandmother Sarah THURLIN / TURCHIN (FRIEDMAN) was killed
about 1925 when she was hit by truck that left the road. She was on the
sidewalk on a Friday afternoon giving challahs to the poor when she was
struck and killed. Or so the story goes . . .

Vicki Ina Friedman
Waleska, GA, USA
dreambuilder@alltel.net

Dear Genners,

As many of you will be visiting London cemeteries before Rosh Hashana
I wonder if someone could look-up names on certain tombstones in the
Rainham Cemetery, East Ham Cemetery,and Edmonton Cemetery. I have the
exact plots and nos etc.

Please reply to me personally.

Thank you for your time.

Shana Tova to all.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)

I am working on transcribing the partial HIAS records I have photographed

from the LDS records.

The only records I have involving Boston are:

ZIM, Isaac male 22 >from Russia Ship Westernland 19 AUG 1907 to Boston, MA
ZALUTSKY, Shoshe female 28 >from Russia Ship Haverford 05 NOV 1907 to
Boston, MA
ZAG?D, Galki female 19 >from ? Ship Haverford 17 FEB 1908 to Boston, MA

It's fairly easy to obtain LDS records if you are near a FHC. I had to send
twice to obtain the one I was looking for, though, because the number was
incorrect. It took an extra week, but they only charged me once. The staff
at the FHC was very helpful.

Vicki Ina Friedman
Waleska, GA, USA
dreambuilder@alltel.net

---Original Message---
The LDS has films for HIAS. I know that they have them for NY and
Philadelphia, there may be some for Boston as well. You can check online
at http://www.familysearch.org

Hope that this helps.

Linda Altman - Raleigh, NC

Apparently, New York City truck drivers were dangerous -

My paternal great-grandmother Sarah THURLIN / TURCHIN (FRIEDMAN) was killed
about 1925 when she was hit by truck that left the road. She was on the
sidewalk on a Friday afternoon giving challahs to the poor when she was
struck and killed. Or so the story goes . . .

Vicki Ina Friedman
Waleska, GA, USA
dreambuilder@alltel.net

Dear Genners,

As many of you will be visiting London cemeteries before Rosh Hashana
I wonder if someone could look-up names on certain tombstones in the
Rainham Cemetery, East Ham Cemetery,and Edmonton Cemetery. I have the
exact plots and nos etc.

Please reply to me personally.

Thank you for your time.

Shana Tova to all.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)