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Re: Name changes for immigrants #general

Linda <altmanlh@...>
 

On Mon, 22 July 2002, "Rich Lowenthal" wrote

.... I don't think the name change was any attempt to "Americanize"
the name. Even assuming that some immigration officer gave them a
new name, was there any rational reason for them to accept the
change, or was it just a reflection of an aversion to making trouble?

Rich Lowenthal
Rich;
Most of our ancestors left their homes to come to America for a very
good reason. Some left for economic reasons, others for religious,
still others for the thrill of something new. But to pack up a family,
and leave, to go where you do not speak the language, to the unkmown -
there had to be some pressing issues. Maybe the name change was
Americanize the name. Maybe they wanted to be sure that they could not
be found by the "officials" >from the old country. I knew my
g.grandmother. She was terrified of being sent back to Poland and that
was part of the reason that she never gave completely accuracte
information to anyone. She was a naturalized citizen. It was the same
reason the the name was changed >from CYBULA to SMITH. Irrational as it
may seem to us, at least in my situation, they truly feared being sent
back. For very different reasons, my uncle Jack changed his surname
from KRIEDBERG to KRIEDE. He didn't think that KRIEDBERG sounded
appropriate for a musician. Jack was born in the US. So try not to
put your values or perceptions onto why they changed their names.
The only ones who knew for sure were the ones who changed it, and we
are left to try to piece the puzzle together.

Linda Altman - Raleigh, NC
researching:
ALTMAN, >from Russia to NY City. TYRNAUER >from Hungary. BERGMAN
from Warsaw & Sokolow-Podlaski, Poland to the UK, Israel and US.
CYBULA/CYBULKA/CYBULKO/CYBULKSI, Ostrow Maz., Siedlce,& Zambrow,
Poland to UK, and US. GOLDFINGIER, Sokolow-Podlaski, Poland. SINGER,
Austria. KRIEDBERG/KREIDBERG/KZAIBURG/KRITBERG/KRITZBERG >from
Russia to US. LIEBERMAN, Austria and Romania to US.


Pinning Down Exact Location of Family Origin #general

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

In pursuing my research on my ancestry in Nova Ushitsa through
archives, it has come to my attention that records of my family
seem to indicate that they did not live in NU itself, but in two
villages nearby: Kalyus - abt 14 km N >from Nova Ushitsa
Butsnevtsy - abt 60 km NE >from Nova Ushitsa (18 km SE >from Letichev)

This is a bit confusing because all family information related to
the town of Nova Ushitsa itself. Would it be common for people to
talk about being >from the district (in this case NU) as their
hometown rather than the village itself? Also, has anyone heard of
these two villages?

Thanks,

David Goldman


Dead Person Counted in Census? #general

Lisa
 

I would like to respond to Rabbi Gary Gans who has a Yahrzeit
plaque for an individual who presumably died in 1919, but who
then appears in the 1920 census:

I would write away for the individual's death certificate, putting
a search on both 1919 and 1920 (I'd even search 1921 if it's not
too expensive!). Or, if you have an idea where the person is buried,
you could also phone the cemetary or the person in the community
who keeps the records for the cemetary. This will give you a
definative answer; and do not be surprised if the plaque is incorrect!

Lisa Weinblatt


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Name changes for immigrants #general

Linda <altmanlh@...>
 

On Mon, 22 July 2002, "Rich Lowenthal" wrote

.... I don't think the name change was any attempt to "Americanize"
the name. Even assuming that some immigration officer gave them a
new name, was there any rational reason for them to accept the
change, or was it just a reflection of an aversion to making trouble?

Rich Lowenthal
Rich;
Most of our ancestors left their homes to come to America for a very
good reason. Some left for economic reasons, others for religious,
still others for the thrill of something new. But to pack up a family,
and leave, to go where you do not speak the language, to the unkmown -
there had to be some pressing issues. Maybe the name change was
Americanize the name. Maybe they wanted to be sure that they could not
be found by the "officials" >from the old country. I knew my
g.grandmother. She was terrified of being sent back to Poland and that
was part of the reason that she never gave completely accuracte
information to anyone. She was a naturalized citizen. It was the same
reason the the name was changed >from CYBULA to SMITH. Irrational as it
may seem to us, at least in my situation, they truly feared being sent
back. For very different reasons, my uncle Jack changed his surname
from KRIEDBERG to KRIEDE. He didn't think that KRIEDBERG sounded
appropriate for a musician. Jack was born in the US. So try not to
put your values or perceptions onto why they changed their names.
The only ones who knew for sure were the ones who changed it, and we
are left to try to piece the puzzle together.

Linda Altman - Raleigh, NC
researching:
ALTMAN, >from Russia to NY City. TYRNAUER >from Hungary. BERGMAN
from Warsaw & Sokolow-Podlaski, Poland to the UK, Israel and US.
CYBULA/CYBULKA/CYBULKO/CYBULKSI, Ostrow Maz., Siedlce,& Zambrow,
Poland to UK, and US. GOLDFINGIER, Sokolow-Podlaski, Poland. SINGER,
Austria. KRIEDBERG/KREIDBERG/KZAIBURG/KRITBERG/KRITZBERG >from
Russia to US. LIEBERMAN, Austria and Romania to US.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Pinning Down Exact Location of Family Origin #general

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

In pursuing my research on my ancestry in Nova Ushitsa through
archives, it has come to my attention that records of my family
seem to indicate that they did not live in NU itself, but in two
villages nearby: Kalyus - abt 14 km N >from Nova Ushitsa
Butsnevtsy - abt 60 km NE >from Nova Ushitsa (18 km SE >from Letichev)

This is a bit confusing because all family information related to
the town of Nova Ushitsa itself. Would it be common for people to
talk about being >from the district (in this case NU) as their
hometown rather than the village itself? Also, has anyone heard of
these two villages?

Thanks,

David Goldman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Dead Person Counted in Census? #general

Lisa
 

I would like to respond to Rabbi Gary Gans who has a Yahrzeit
plaque for an individual who presumably died in 1919, but who
then appears in the 1920 census:

I would write away for the individual's death certificate, putting
a search on both 1919 and 1920 (I'd even search 1921 if it's not
too expensive!). Or, if you have an idea where the person is buried,
you could also phone the cemetary or the person in the community
who keeps the records for the cemetary. This will give you a
definative answer; and do not be surprised if the plaque is incorrect!

Lisa Weinblatt


early COHENs in UK #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

Always tootling on the Net, I find from

http://www.scottishdocuments.com/content/default.asp

Cohen Salomon 25/10/1870 Watch material dealer, residing
at No.5 Leith Street Terrace in Edinburgh Edinburgh Sheriff
Court Inventories

Cohen Judah Hymen 4/7/1855 residing at Clarendon Mansion in
Brighton in county of Sussex

Hope this helps someone:

Miriam Margolyes
London
email: 75342.3217@...

searching SANDMAN anywhere, any spelling
HARRIS family, bakers Hull & London


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen early COHENs in UK #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

Always tootling on the Net, I find from

http://www.scottishdocuments.com/content/default.asp

Cohen Salomon 25/10/1870 Watch material dealer, residing
at No.5 Leith Street Terrace in Edinburgh Edinburgh Sheriff
Court Inventories

Cohen Judah Hymen 4/7/1855 residing at Clarendon Mansion in
Brighton in county of Sussex

Hope this helps someone:

Miriam Margolyes
London
email: 75342.3217@...

searching SANDMAN anywhere, any spelling
HARRIS family, bakers Hull & London


Re: Bat Mitzvah, was birthdate accuracy #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

Jewish boys automatically become bar mitsva at age 13 and Jewish
girls become bat mitsva at age 12 whether or not they have a
ceremony to mark the rite of passage. It simply means that they
are liable for theri deeds.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

How common was it for girls, born in the mid to late 1800's,
in Poland, to be Bat Mitzvahed?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Bat Mitzvah, was birthdate accuracy #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

Jewish boys automatically become bar mitsva at age 13 and Jewish
girls become bat mitsva at age 12 whether or not they have a
ceremony to mark the rite of passage. It simply means that they
are liable for theri deeds.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

How common was it for girls, born in the mid to late 1800's,
in Poland, to be Bat Mitzvahed?


Re: jri-pl digest: July 23, 2002 #poland

Fbussgang@...
 

In a message dated 7/24/02 12:58:47 AM, jri-pl@... writes:

<< Does someone have a copy? I am curious to see if Michal (Michael) Feldman
who served in Anders' army is listed. I don't know if he was an officer. His
wife Irena Feldman also served, but I don't think she was an officer. >>

I have a copy, but neither is listed. If you want info about people in Anders
Army, write:
Ministry of Defence CS(RM) 2c, Bourne Avenue, Hayes, Middlesex UB3 1RF,
England
My husband got his own record there without difficulty. It might be better if
your in-laws wrote themselves or your husband wrote as their son.

Fay Bussgang
Lexington, MA


JRI Poland #Poland Re: jri-pl digest: July 23, 2002 #poland

Fbussgang@...
 

In a message dated 7/24/02 12:58:47 AM, jri-pl@... writes:

<< Does someone have a copy? I am curious to see if Michal (Michael) Feldman
who served in Anders' army is listed. I don't know if he was an officer. His
wife Irena Feldman also served, but I don't think she was an officer. >>

I have a copy, but neither is listed. If you want info about people in Anders
Army, write:
Ministry of Defence CS(RM) 2c, Bourne Avenue, Hayes, Middlesex UB3 1RF,
England
My husband got his own record there without difficulty. It might be better if
your in-laws wrote themselves or your husband wrote as their son.

Fay Bussgang
Lexington, MA


Chicago Orphanages 1930 Census #general

Mimi Katz <GeveretK@...>
 

While scrolling through all the ED's for the 1930 census in
Chicago, I just happened to find the ED's for Chicago's two big,
Jewish orphanages. Hope this helps some of you...

Marks Nathan Home
ED 16-882
Roll 454

Chicago Home for Jewish Orphans
ED 16-223
Roll 423

Mimi Katz, Chicago


Indexing Project for Great Synagogue London Marriage Registers - Progress Report #general

Harold Lewin <harmir@...>
 

The computerization of the London Great Synagogue marriage
registers now covers the years 1791-1865 with indexing capability
for family name of Groom or Bride or marriage date. Efforts are
continuing to computerize the rest of the manuscript transcripts
that we have made >from microfilms of Great Synagogue marriage
registers held by the Central Archives for the History of the
Jewish People, i.e. for the years 1866-1885, in addition to all
London New Synagogue marriage records available. Patronymics of
Groom and Bride are concurrently being added to the database,
and the first 15 years of marriage records (>from 1791) now contain
this additional data. It should be noted that the London Hambro
Synagogue marriage registers were indexed several years ago, as
were many of the Hambro Synagogue births and burials registers.
Harold and Miriam Lewin in Jerusalem


searching ESTES/GOLDMAN/FOMUND/KASTEN/SCHNITZER/ZILBERMAN/WEINSTEIN #general

HMW <h_m_w@...>
 

I am looking for any information concerning the following relatives.

Jennie and Max ESTES came to US in about 1890. Max died in Baltimore
in 1895. Their children were Jennie (married to Bernard WEINSTEIN),
Henry GOLDMAN, and Jacob ESTES.

The following are related to the ESTES, but I do not know the
relationship:

Samuel and Celia FOMUND
Morris KASTEN
Solomon and Fannie SCHNITZER. Fannie came to US as Fagi ZILBERMAN.

Any help with these relationships would be appreciated.

Murray Weinstein
h_m_w@...

MODERATOR NOTE: You can maximize your chances of success by also
registering the surnames you are researching in the JewishGen
Family Finder, http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Chicago Orphanages 1930 Census #general

Mimi Katz <GeveretK@...>
 

While scrolling through all the ED's for the 1930 census in
Chicago, I just happened to find the ED's for Chicago's two big,
Jewish orphanages. Hope this helps some of you...

Marks Nathan Home
ED 16-882
Roll 454

Chicago Home for Jewish Orphans
ED 16-223
Roll 423

Mimi Katz, Chicago


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Indexing Project for Great Synagogue London Marriage Registers - Progress Report #general

Harold Lewin <harmir@...>
 

The computerization of the London Great Synagogue marriage
registers now covers the years 1791-1865 with indexing capability
for family name of Groom or Bride or marriage date. Efforts are
continuing to computerize the rest of the manuscript transcripts
that we have made >from microfilms of Great Synagogue marriage
registers held by the Central Archives for the History of the
Jewish People, i.e. for the years 1866-1885, in addition to all
London New Synagogue marriage records available. Patronymics of
Groom and Bride are concurrently being added to the database,
and the first 15 years of marriage records (>from 1791) now contain
this additional data. It should be noted that the London Hambro
Synagogue marriage registers were indexed several years ago, as
were many of the Hambro Synagogue births and burials registers.
Harold and Miriam Lewin in Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen searching ESTES/GOLDMAN/FOMUND/KASTEN/SCHNITZER/ZILBERMAN/WEINSTEIN #general

HMW <h_m_w@...>
 

I am looking for any information concerning the following relatives.

Jennie and Max ESTES came to US in about 1890. Max died in Baltimore
in 1895. Their children were Jennie (married to Bernard WEINSTEIN),
Henry GOLDMAN, and Jacob ESTES.

The following are related to the ESTES, but I do not know the
relationship:

Samuel and Celia FOMUND
Morris KASTEN
Solomon and Fannie SCHNITZER. Fannie came to US as Fagi ZILBERMAN.

Any help with these relationships would be appreciated.

Murray Weinstein
h_m_w@...

MODERATOR NOTE: You can maximize your chances of success by also
registering the surnames you are researching in the JewishGen
Family Finder, http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/


Yiddish Theatre/Fischer Fiszer Family #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

My father's family was very active in the Yiddish Theatre in
Warsaw, Poland. His father was Herman Fischer, a prompter
(director), his mother Liza Barska-Fischer, a character actress
and his sisters Luba and Anna were also actresses. My father,
Bruce (Boris) came to the US in 1939. We think the rest of his
family died in the Holocaust.

Do any of you have any information about this family?

Connie Fisher Newhan
ylca87@...

Searching FISCHER/FISZER, HAMBURGER, ANTZEL (Bedzin/Warsaw),
SPRINGER, ROTHSTEIN, ABRAMS, GOLDBERG, FELDMAN, NEWHAN/NEUHAHN,
(Germany, Baltimore, Md, Pittsburg, Pa) GERSTEN (Obertin/Galacia),
FRIEDSAM (Germany, Pittsburg, PA)


Help needed from Israeli attending Toronto Conf. #general

Howard Margol
 

Jeanne Ran Tcharnyi, born in 1920 in Russia and now living in
Israel wrote an exceptional book about her growing up in Jonava,
Lithuania, life in the Vilnius ghetto, working for Nazi headquarters
in Minsk posing as a non-Jew, spying for the partisans, and ending
up in the Russian Gulag. The book was published in Russian and
Lithuanian and now in English. I have a copy of the book and it
is one of the most fascinating books I have ever read. A lot of
names of Jews are included.

The name of the book is, "Unbelievable Truth". I have located
Jeanne in Israel. She lives on a meager pension, has over 200
copies of her book in English (they are in glossy paperback), and
admittedly knows nothing about how to sell or market them. Other
than in Jeanne's apartment in Israel, her book is not available
for sale elsewhere. If I can find someone in Israel, coming to
Toronto, I would like to ask them to bring several copies of the
book with them. I would be responsible for paying Jeanne for the
books. I am doing this to help Jeanne and to get her story out.
I gain nothing >from this personally. If someone could get the
books to Toronto, they would be doing a real mitzvah.

Please respond to me personally and I will arrange for the books
to get to you in Israel. Do not respond to the Digest.

Howard Margol
homargol@...