Hello:

While we are on the topic of Chasidic clothes, I have a question: we have
a painting of my ggggrandfather, Srul Avram SEITZMANN, born c. 1830. Even
though he was >from Ukraine, I have been told that he and other members of
his family look Hungarian. In this painting, he does not have the clothes
of the Chasids I have seen. He is wearing a large fur hat, and a silver
coat over a black shirt with no buttons or pockets, but it looks like it
might have a collar. He has a long beard and moustache. Does anyone know
which type of Chasidim he might belong to, and why the strange cape? If
you would like, I can send you a scanned in version.

Thanks,
Josh Brown

When searching biblical names (Old and New Testament) try this site:
http://bible.crosswalk.com/
A search will return several references for the same name as found in
various sources. Caveat: the search engine will only produce results
with exact spellings. Thus Myriam would result in zero finds while
Miriam would return five. Also one can't use the Hebrew and Latin
variants, like Yitzhak for Isaac or Petrus for St. Peter.
Enjoy
Tom

Hello:

While we are on the topic of Chasidic clothes, I have a question: we have
a painting of my ggggrandfather, Srul Avram SEITZMANN, born c. 1830. Even
though he was >from Ukraine, I have been told that he and other members of
his family look Hungarian. In this painting, he does not have the clothes
of the Chasids I have seen. He is wearing a large fur hat, and a silver
coat over a black shirt with no buttons or pockets, but it looks like it
might have a collar. He has a long beard and moustache. Does anyone know
which type of Chasidim he might belong to, and why the strange cape? If
you would like, I can send you a scanned in version.

Thanks,
Josh Brown

When searching biblical names (Old and New Testament) try this site:
http://bible.crosswalk.com/
A search will return several references for the same name as found in
various sources. Caveat: the search engine will only produce results
with exact spellings. Thus Myriam would result in zero finds while
Miriam would return five. Also one can't use the Hebrew and Latin
variants, like Yitzhak for Isaac or Petrus for St. Peter.
Enjoy
Tom

Unfortunately due to a problem many years ago Aleks is not permitted to do
research in the Archives on behalf of clients. He has a lot of databases
that he has acquired over the years and also accesses the online databases
so he is still able to do good research. He also has databases that he has
acquired >from the Belarus Archives which is an advantage when asking for
information for ancestors >from the Latgale region which was in Vitebsk as
the documents may be in the Minsk Archives and not in Latvia

It is important however that any research information that you receive
that has not come directly >from the Archives with documentation should be
verified with the Archives to be absolutely sure that it is accurate.

Arlene Beare
UK

Unfortunately due to a problem many years ago Aleks is not permitted to do
research in the Archives on behalf of clients. He has a lot of databases
that he has acquired over the years and also accesses the online databases
so he is still able to do good research. He also has databases that he has
acquired >from the Belarus Archives which is an advantage when asking for
information for ancestors >from the Latgale region which was in Vitebsk as
the documents may be in the Minsk Archives and not in Latvia

It is important however that any research information that you receive
that has not come directly >from the Archives with documentation should be
verified with the Archives to be absolutely sure that it is accurate.

Arlene Beare
UK

My annual newsletter "Legacy" is now available. If you are not on my
on-going mailing list and wish access to my genealogical activity, go to
my website at http://home.pacbell.net/wlfrank/index.html and select
Legacy2002.

Werner L. Frank Calabasas, CA USA

My annual newsletter "Legacy" is now available. If you are not on my
on-going mailing list and wish access to my genealogical activity, go to
my website at http://home.pacbell.net/wlfrank/index.html and select
Legacy2002.

Werner L. Frank Calabasas, CA USA

My greatgreatgrandmother, Gittle ABRAMOWITZ,left Novaradok as a widow at
the end of the 19th cent. and came to the USA via some time in Liverpool
where she remarried (name of husband unknown). To the best of my knowledge
she settled in Hartford,Ct (or possibly New Haven) According to family
sources there was a family connection, which hasn't been clarified yet,
with Rabbi HUREWITZ in Hartford.

Gittle left Novarodok with four children, three boys-Meir, Kalman and the
third not known- and a daughter Sarah.

Meir, my greatgrandfather was sent to Eretx Yisrael as a child with his
brother Kalman. Kalman returned to the states as a youth and Meir stayed
to raise a family in Israel. Sarah had lived in New York. The fourth
sibling, name unknown, was said to have seek his fortune in Boston and
supposedly found work in a department store and may have even married into
the family of the owners.

My mother, Adina KATZOFF (nee ABRAMOWITZ), had contact with some offspring
of Sarah during the early 30's (through a grandson Tom whose parents had
divorced, he lived with his father in Boston) but since then, I beleive she
has not had any contact with Sarah's family. With Kalman's descendants
there was a bit more connection over the years, in Israel and the USA. But
nothing is known about the unknown named brother who went to Boston.

If this story sounds familiar to anyone we (my mother and I and our family)
would like to hear

A happy new year to one and all

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem/Efrat

In searching for my SIMON family in NYC, I noticed the death of *Male
SIMON*, infant. Having acquired his Death Certificate, I see that he is
not related to my SIMON family.

If anyone is researching Alfred M. SIMON (>from Germany) or his wife, Lala
BLOCK (NY), I will be happy to forward the certificate on to you.

Please contact me privately.

David Simon Bendory
Livingston, NJ
david90@alumni.princeton.edu
Looking for Hungarian KOHN, POPPER, BRAUCH, HECHT in Resita,Timisoara,Anina
Looking for Romanian SCHWARTZ or SIEGAL, VACSMAN in Botosani or Braila, Romania
Looking for Romanian HARR near Bucharest, Romania
Looking for SIMON and GOETZ >from Germany
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/i/m/David-E-Simon/index.html

Hello All;
I have copies of the naturalization papers for Barnett SHAPIRO. He was
naturalized in Tuckahoe, NY in the early 1900's. Unfortunatley it is not
the Barnett SHAPIRO that I am related to. If you are looking for a
Barnett SHAPIRO originally >from Poland, then to Tuckahoe, Westchester
County, New York, USA. This Barnett had 5 children and a wife. Email me
privatley if this is your guy.


Linda Altman - Raleigh, NC
researching:
ALTMAN, >from Russia to NY City. TYRNAUER >from Hungary.
BERGMAN >from Warsaw & Sokolow-Podlaski, Poland to the UK, Israel and US.
CYBULA/CYBULKA/CYBULKO/CYBULKSI, Ostrow Maz., Siedlce,& Zambrow, Poland to
UK, and US. GOLDFINGIER, Sokolow-Podlaski, Poland. SINGER, Austria.
KRIEDBERG/KREIDBERG/KZAIBURG/KRITBERG/KRITZBERG >from Russia to US.
LIEBERMAN, Austria and Romania to US.

Dear Genners:

I know what nochus means in Yiddish, but recently I found information
about my Uncle Irving whose name on the 1910 NY census was Isadore, later
to be come Irving. but on the arrival in 1905 manifest it is Nocher. Is
there an *English* equivalent to Nocher? My Dad was listed as Iszchok
which probably is Itsaak and was Ike on the 1910 census. He ultimately
became Ernest.

Thanks for any help or information.

Joan Parker
Miami, FL
Searching: GOLDBERG and GOODSTEIN-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY; PINKUS and
WINOGRAD-Odessa, Ukraine and Brooklyn, NY; GELFAND-Minsk and Bronx, NY; YEHUDIS;
KATZ, Bronx, NY

My greatgreatgrandmother, Gittle ABRAMOWITZ,left Novaradok as a widow at
the end of the 19th cent. and came to the USA via some time in Liverpool
where she remarried (name of husband unknown). To the best of my knowledge
she settled in Hartford,Ct (or possibly New Haven) According to family
sources there was a family connection, which hasn't been clarified yet,
with Rabbi HUREWITZ in Hartford.

Gittle left Novarodok with four children, three boys-Meir, Kalman and the
third not known- and a daughter Sarah.

Meir, my greatgrandfather was sent to Eretx Yisrael as a child with his
brother Kalman. Kalman returned to the states as a youth and Meir stayed
to raise a family in Israel. Sarah had lived in New York. The fourth
sibling, name unknown, was said to have seek his fortune in Boston and
supposedly found work in a department store and may have even married into
the family of the owners.

My mother, Adina KATZOFF (nee ABRAMOWITZ), had contact with some offspring
of Sarah during the early 30's (through a grandson Tom whose parents had
divorced, he lived with his father in Boston) but since then, I beleive she
has not had any contact with Sarah's family. With Kalman's descendants
there was a bit more connection over the years, in Israel and the USA. But
nothing is known about the unknown named brother who went to Boston.

If this story sounds familiar to anyone we (my mother and I and our family)
would like to hear

A happy new year to one and all

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem/Efrat

In searching for my SIMON family in NYC, I noticed the death of *Male
SIMON*, infant. Having acquired his Death Certificate, I see that he is
not related to my SIMON family.

If anyone is researching Alfred M. SIMON (>from Germany) or his wife, Lala
BLOCK (NY), I will be happy to forward the certificate on to you.

Please contact me privately.

David Simon Bendory
Livingston, NJ
david90@alumni.princeton.edu
Looking for Hungarian KOHN, POPPER, BRAUCH, HECHT in Resita,Timisoara,Anina
Looking for Romanian SCHWARTZ or SIEGAL, VACSMAN in Botosani or Braila, Romania
Looking for Romanian HARR near Bucharest, Romania
Looking for SIMON and GOETZ >from Germany
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/i/m/David-E-Simon/index.html

Hello All;
I have copies of the naturalization papers for Barnett SHAPIRO. He was
naturalized in Tuckahoe, NY in the early 1900's. Unfortunatley it is not
the Barnett SHAPIRO that I am related to. If you are looking for a
Barnett SHAPIRO originally >from Poland, then to Tuckahoe, Westchester
County, New York, USA. This Barnett had 5 children and a wife. Email me
privatley if this is your guy.


Linda Altman - Raleigh, NC
researching:
ALTMAN, >from Russia to NY City. TYRNAUER >from Hungary.
BERGMAN >from Warsaw & Sokolow-Podlaski, Poland to the UK, Israel and US.
CYBULA/CYBULKA/CYBULKO/CYBULKSI, Ostrow Maz., Siedlce,& Zambrow, Poland to
UK, and US. GOLDFINGIER, Sokolow-Podlaski, Poland. SINGER, Austria.
KRIEDBERG/KREIDBERG/KZAIBURG/KRITBERG/KRITZBERG >from Russia to US.
LIEBERMAN, Austria and Romania to US.

Dear Genners:

I know what nochus means in Yiddish, but recently I found information
about my Uncle Irving whose name on the 1910 NY census was Isadore, later
to be come Irving. but on the arrival in 1905 manifest it is Nocher. Is
there an *English* equivalent to Nocher? My Dad was listed as Iszchok
which probably is Itsaak and was Ike on the 1910 census. He ultimately
became Ernest.

Thanks for any help or information.

Joan Parker
Miami, FL
Searching: GOLDBERG and GOODSTEIN-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY; PINKUS and
WINOGRAD-Odessa, Ukraine and Brooklyn, NY; GELFAND-Minsk and Bronx, NY; YEHUDIS;
KATZ, Bronx, NY

I have received >from JRI Poland/AGAD 4 records >from their archives, two
of which I have posted as 4 images (right and left hand page of each
entry). The first two images are a death record of Ester Treiber Herzlich
in 1882. The last two are the birth of Ester Herzlich in 1886. I would
appreciate assistance in getting these documents translated and
understanding their contents. The language should be Polish, but I would
not know. After these two are removed >from viewmate I hope to get the
other two documents uploaded, the death of the child, Ester, and birth of
another child, Selde. Hopefully, >from these four documents I will be able
to see any relationships.

The viewmates (738-741) are located at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1738.html

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1739.html

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1740.html

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1741.html

Please reply directly to me at:
mherzlich@yahoo.com

Thank you for any assitance,
Michael Herzlich

From: "Haviva Langenauer" <havival@bellsouth.net>

I have found two different dates for the arrival of the ship. EIDB says

that the Batavia arrived April 24, 1906. The Morton Allan directory says
the ship arrived April 21, 1906. Is there an undisputed source for the
correct date?

It's more a matter of correctly interpreting the dates. My theory is that
Morton-Allan records the date the ship formally docked at port, while the
passenger lists (and therefore EIDB) record the date the steerage
passengers were processed on Ellis Island. Aren't these two dates always
the same? No. The reason is that Ellis Island, particularly >from 1900 to
1914, was often incapable of handling the daily volume of incoming
passengers. Sometimes steerage passengers had to wait on the ship while
it was docked in port for a day, two or three, until they could be brought
to Ellis Island for processing. Whenever I've had a date discrepancy, I
check the NY times, which recorded daily ship arrivals in port, and it has
always matched the Morton-Allan directory date. In fact, if I had been
asked to create the Morton-Allan directory, I would have simply used the
NY times ship arrival listings, and that may have been what was done. For
the immigration organization that created the Morton-Allan directory,
knowing the ship arrival date would have been more than sufficient to
quickly locate the passenger list, because only a handful of ships arrived
each day. Today what people want to know is the passenger-processing
date, which Morton-Allan frequently matches, but not always.


Michael Steinore
San Mateo, CA

I have received >from JRI Poland/AGAD 4 records >from their archives, two
of which I have posted as 4 images (right and left hand page of each
entry). The first two images are a death record of Ester Treiber Herzlich
in 1882. The last two are the birth of Ester Herzlich in 1886. I would
appreciate assistance in getting these documents translated and
understanding their contents. The language should be Polish, but I would
not know. After these two are removed >from viewmate I hope to get the
other two documents uploaded, the death of the child, Ester, and birth of
another child, Selde. Hopefully, >from these four documents I will be able
to see any relationships.

The viewmates (738-741) are located at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1738.html

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1739.html

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1740.html

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1741.html

Please reply directly to me at:
mherzlich@yahoo.com

Thank you for any assitance,
Michael Herzlich

From: "Haviva Langenauer" <havival@bellsouth.net>

I have found two different dates for the arrival of the ship. EIDB says

that the Batavia arrived April 24, 1906. The Morton Allan directory says
the ship arrived April 21, 1906. Is there an undisputed source for the
correct date?

It's more a matter of correctly interpreting the dates. My theory is that
Morton-Allan records the date the ship formally docked at port, while the
passenger lists (and therefore EIDB) record the date the steerage
passengers were processed on Ellis Island. Aren't these two dates always
the same? No. The reason is that Ellis Island, particularly >from 1900 to
1914, was often incapable of handling the daily volume of incoming
passengers. Sometimes steerage passengers had to wait on the ship while
it was docked in port for a day, two or three, until they could be brought
to Ellis Island for processing. Whenever I've had a date discrepancy, I
check the NY times, which recorded daily ship arrivals in port, and it has
always matched the Morton-Allan directory date. In fact, if I had been
asked to create the Morton-Allan directory, I would have simply used the
NY times ship arrival listings, and that may have been what was done. For
the immigration organization that created the Morton-Allan directory,
knowing the ship arrival date would have been more than sufficient to
quickly locate the passenger list, because only a handful of ships arrived
each day. Today what people want to know is the passenger-processing
date, which Morton-Allan frequently matches, but not always.


Michael Steinore
San Mateo, CA