I am looking for information about Josef FEUCHTWANGER, Ella FEUCHTWANGER
married to Moses Kahn aus Sulzbach (SULZBACHER), Rechl FEUCHTWANGER
married to Max David HIRSCHMANN, and Adelheid FEUCHTWANGER all born in
Furth in the 1780s-1790s. They were the children of Jakob Arieh
FEUCHTWANGER and his wife Hanna nee FRANKEL and the grandchildren of Moshe
SHULHOF. They are the siblings of my great x 3 grandfather Seligmann Aron
Meir FEUCHTWANGER.

With best wishes to everyone for a happy, healthy and peaceful New Year.

Susan EDEL, Petach Tikva, Israel

I am looking for information about Josef FEUCHTWANGER, Ella FEUCHTWANGER
married to Moses Kahn aus Sulzbach (SULZBACHER), Rechl FEUCHTWANGER
married to Max David HIRSCHMANN, and Adelheid FEUCHTWANGER all born in
Furth in the 1780s-1790s. They were the children of Jakob Arieh
FEUCHTWANGER and his wife Hanna nee FRANKEL and the grandchildren of Moshe
SHULHOF. They are the siblings of my great x 3 grandfather Seligmann Aron
Meir FEUCHTWANGER.

With best wishes to everyone for a happy, healthy and peaceful New Year.

Susan EDEL, Petach Tikva, Israel

Iwe would appreciate it if any member has either the e-mail address
and/or fax number for the State Archives in Wiesbaden. Thanks in advance.

Donald W. Stein, M.D. Oro Valley, AZ DWSAnes@aol.com

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Contains is a link to "Archives in Germany"

<http://www.uni-marburg.de/archivschule/fv61.html>;

At this page click on "Staatsarchive"

At the page you will now see, scroll down to "Hessen" the German Land
(state) in which Wiesbaden, Frankfurt and Mainz are located.
Under Hessen you will see a list of "Staatsarchive in Hessen"
including "Hauptstaatsarchiv Wiesbaden". A click on this will take
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<http://www.hauptstaatsarchiv.hessen.de/>;
which contains the following information:

Hessisches Hauptstaatsarchiv, Mosbacher Str. 55, 65187 Wiesbaden [Germany]
Televerbindungen:
Telefon: 0611/881-0
Telefax: 0611/881-145
E-Mail: Poststelle@hhstaw.hessen.de
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Iwe would appreciate it if any member has either the e-mail address
and/or fax number for the State Archives in Wiesbaden. Thanks in advance.

Donald W. Stein, M.D. Oro Valley, AZ DWSAnes@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: We receive requests for contact information for various
archives in Germany very often. I will continue to post these requests
but it would be best for GerSig members to use our website to obtain
such information. In this case the route would be as follows:

The GerSig Website "Resources" Page:

<http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/resources.htm>;
Contains is a link to "Archives in Germany"

<http://www.uni-marburg.de/archivschule/fv61.html>;

At this page click on "Staatsarchive"

At the page you will now see, scroll down to "Hessen" the German Land
(state) in which Wiesbaden, Frankfurt and Mainz are located.
Under Hessen you will see a list of "Staatsarchive in Hessen"
including "Hauptstaatsarchiv Wiesbaden". A click on this will take
you to that archive's home page:

<http://www.hauptstaatsarchiv.hessen.de/>;
which contains the following information:

Hessisches Hauptstaatsarchiv, Mosbacher Str. 55, 65187 Wiesbaden [Germany]
Televerbindungen:
Telefon: 0611/881-0
Telefax: 0611/881-145
E-Mail: Poststelle@hhstaw.hessen.de
Internet: http://www.hauptstaatsarchiv.hessen.de

John Paul Lowens Suburban NYC GerSig Moderator <GerSig@aol.com>

I am trying to find info about my grandfather Walter OPPENHEIMER
(middle name Siegfried) who was >from HEIDELBERG and escaped Germany
between 1937-39, settling in Philadelphia. (His Social Security
application was filed in July, 1939) His parents names are listed as
Sigmund and Clara, who perished in extermination camps.

Anyone who lived in Heidelberg or Frankfurt and escaped in these years
(Did some people arrive first in Canada, then go to the United States?)
please be in touch! I am visiting Germany in a few days for family
research. Sincerely,

Jesse OPPENHEIMER Los Angeles, California

MODERATOR NOTE: Some refugees >from Germany during this period arranged
to spend time in Canada prior to applying for residence in the USA.
I do not remember the reason for this but it circumvented some sort of
restriction imposed by the US immigration authorities.

I am trying to find info about my grandfather Walter OPPENHEIMER
(middle name Siegfried) who was >from HEIDELBERG and escaped Germany
between 1937-39, settling in Philadelphia. (His Social Security
application was filed in July, 1939) His parents names are listed as
Sigmund and Clara, who perished in extermination camps.

Anyone who lived in Heidelberg or Frankfurt and escaped in these years
(Did some people arrive first in Canada, then go to the United States?)
please be in touch! I am visiting Germany in a few days for family
research. Sincerely,

Jesse OPPENHEIMER Los Angeles, California

MODERATOR NOTE: Some refugees >from Germany during this period arranged
to spend time in Canada prior to applying for residence in the USA.
I do not remember the reason for this but it circumvented some sort of
restriction imposed by the US immigration authorities.

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Dear Eric Benjaminson,
Another possibility could be that the Benjamin and Sara
BENJAMINSOHN you are searching were simply not at home when the
census enumerator came by, and thus they were not listed nor
counted.
I have had several instances when I was searching for
ancestors of relatives in the 1900 and even 1920 census of not
being able to find an entry for people I know were alive at the
time and for whom I even had an address. Some people appear to be
very adept at not showing up, whether it is on an official document
such as a census, or on an unofficial listing such as a telephone
number in a phone book.
Have you tried searching for a listing for these BENJAMINSOHNs
in the various city directories of the period for Manhattan and
Brooklyn? Depending on how old these people you are searching for were
you might also try later census enumeration indexes for 1910 and 1920
to see if perhaps they show up then.
If you think there is a possibility either one might have passed
away before 1900, you might consider searching the NYC death indexes
(which go to 1948) at the NYC Municipal Archives. If you think the
female relative might have married after she arrived in NYC, you can
search the available years of the NYC Brides Index for Manhattan.

I wish you much success with your genealogical quest.
Shanah Tovah,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan
Long Beach, NY

------------

From: "Eric and Paula Benjaminson" <oregon81@yahoo.com>
I have a bit of a mystery and I wonder if anyone has any suggestions:
In the Hamburg emigration lists, there are two records for a Benjamin
and Sara BENJAMINSOHN >from Goldingen who emigrated to New York in June
1891. Given the names and the small size of Goldingen, I'm pretty sure
that these are relatives. I have searched through every possible name
variation in the online 1900 U.S.
...snip..

-------------

Dear Eric Benjaminson,
Another possibility could be that the Benjamin and Sara
BENJAMINSOHN you are searching were simply not at home when the
census enumerator came by, and thus they were not listed nor
counted.
I have had several instances when I was searching for
ancestors of relatives in the 1900 and even 1920 census of not
being able to find an entry for people I know were alive at the
time and for whom I even had an address. Some people appear to be
very adept at not showing up, whether it is on an official document
such as a census, or on an unofficial listing such as a telephone
number in a phone book.
Have you tried searching for a listing for these BENJAMINSOHNs
in the various city directories of the period for Manhattan and
Brooklyn? Depending on how old these people you are searching for were
you might also try later census enumeration indexes for 1910 and 1920
to see if perhaps they show up then.
If you think there is a possibility either one might have passed
away before 1900, you might consider searching the NYC death indexes
(which go to 1948) at the NYC Municipal Archives. If you think the
female relative might have married after she arrived in NYC, you can
search the available years of the NYC Brides Index for Manhattan.

I wish you much success with your genealogical quest.
Shanah Tovah,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan
Long Beach, NY

------------

From: "Eric and Paula Benjaminson" <oregon81@yahoo.com>
I have a bit of a mystery and I wonder if anyone has any suggestions:
In the Hamburg emigration lists, there are two records for a Benjamin
and Sara BENJAMINSOHN >from Goldingen who emigrated to New York in June
1891. Given the names and the small size of Goldingen, I'm pretty sure
that these are relatives. I have searched through every possible name
variation in the online 1900 U.S.
...snip..

-------------

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Eliane Roos Schuhl, Paris, France
searching :

ARON - Phalsbourg, Lorraine, France (1700)
BOLLACK < Riedseltz (Lower Rhine, Alsace, France ~1750)
rabbi DISPECK < Dispeck, Metz (France), Fuerth (Bavaria)
FRANCK < Niedernai (Lower Rhine, Alsace, France ~1680)
GROSS < Osthoffen (Lower Rhine, Alsace, France ~1750)
GRUMBACH - Zillisheim & Bollwiller (Upper Rhine, Alsace, France
~1700)
HEIMENDINGER < Grussenheim (Upper Rhine, Alsace,
France ~1650)
KAHN / CAHN < Saverne, (Lower Rhine, Alsace <1690) &
Westhoffen (Lower Rhine, Alsace 19th)
rabbi LEHMANN < Ottrott & Bischheim (Lower Rhine, Alsace, France
<1710)
rabbi LEVI < Jebenhausen (Wuertemberg, Germany)
LEVI - Killsheim / Rillsheim - Markt Erlbach (Germany ~1780)
LEVY < Odratzheim & Bischheim (Lower Rhine, Alsace, France
<1740)
LEVY < Lixheim (Moselle, Lorraine, France <1720)
LEVY - Zillisheim (Upper Rhine, Alsace, France <1680)
MEY = MOYSE / AUSCHER < Wolfisheim (Lower Rhine, Alsace <1710)
PICARD / BICKAR - Colmar (Upper Rhine, Alsace, France <1750)
RECHT < Soultz-les-Bains (Lower Rhine, Alsace) & Schaffouse
(Schaffhausen), Alsace (1700)
ROOS < Niederrodern (Lower Rhine, Alsace, France <1700)
SCHUHL < Westhouse / Westhausen (Lower Rhine, Alsace, France
<1720)
SCHUHL / SCHUL < Alsace to the U.S. ca 1840 / 1860
rabbi STEINHART < Steinhardt & Fuerth (Bavaria, Germany < 18th)
WEIL (LEVI) < Buhl (Lower Rhine, Alsace < 1670) -> Hatten
(Lower Rhine, Alsace)
WEYL originally < Westhouse / Westhausen (Lower Rhine, Alsace
<1700)
WEYL < Uttenheim (Lower Rhine, Alsace <1720)
rabbi WURMSER < Bollwiller (Upper Rhine, Alsace <1700)
-> Breisac, Muellheim (Baden, Germany)
ZIFI / ZIVI - Muellheim (Baden, Germany <1650)

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Eliane Roos Schuhl, Paris, France
searching :

ARON - Phalsbourg, Lorraine, France (1700)
BOLLACK < Riedseltz (Lower Rhine, Alsace, France ~1750)
rabbi DISPECK < Dispeck, Metz (France), Fuerth (Bavaria)
FRANCK < Niedernai (Lower Rhine, Alsace, France ~1680)
GROSS < Osthoffen (Lower Rhine, Alsace, France ~1750)
GRUMBACH - Zillisheim & Bollwiller (Upper Rhine, Alsace, France
~1700)
HEIMENDINGER < Grussenheim (Upper Rhine, Alsace,
France ~1650)
KAHN / CAHN < Saverne, (Lower Rhine, Alsace <1690) &
Westhoffen (Lower Rhine, Alsace 19th)
rabbi LEHMANN < Ottrott & Bischheim (Lower Rhine, Alsace, France
<1710)
rabbi LEVI < Jebenhausen (Wuertemberg, Germany)
LEVI - Killsheim / Rillsheim - Markt Erlbach (Germany ~1780)
LEVY < Odratzheim & Bischheim (Lower Rhine, Alsace, France
<1740)
LEVY < Lixheim (Moselle, Lorraine, France <1720)
LEVY - Zillisheim (Upper Rhine, Alsace, France <1680)
MEY = MOYSE / AUSCHER < Wolfisheim (Lower Rhine, Alsace <1710)
PICARD / BICKAR - Colmar (Upper Rhine, Alsace, France <1750)
RECHT < Soultz-les-Bains (Lower Rhine, Alsace) & Schaffouse
(Schaffhausen), Alsace (1700)
ROOS < Niederrodern (Lower Rhine, Alsace, France <1700)
SCHUHL < Westhouse / Westhausen (Lower Rhine, Alsace, France
<1720)
SCHUHL / SCHUL < Alsace to the U.S. ca 1840 / 1860
rabbi STEINHART < Steinhardt & Fuerth (Bavaria, Germany < 18th)
WEIL (LEVI) < Buhl (Lower Rhine, Alsace < 1670) -> Hatten
(Lower Rhine, Alsace)
WEYL originally < Westhouse / Westhausen (Lower Rhine, Alsace
<1700)
WEYL < Uttenheim (Lower Rhine, Alsace <1720)
rabbi WURMSER < Bollwiller (Upper Rhine, Alsace <1700)
-> Breisac, Muellheim (Baden, Germany)
ZIFI / ZIVI - Muellheim (Baden, Germany <1650)

Further to Michael Bernet's list of names for the status of the
bride.

Maiden (literally "virgin") and indicates a first
marriage: betulta (bet-tav-vav-lamed-tav-aleph)
widow: the usual Aramaic word is
"Armalta" (aleph-reish-mem-lamed-tav-aleph)
divorcee: Is Matrachta (translation:matron)
(mem-tav-reish-chaf-tav-aleph)

Is the groom always simply known as chatan (chet-tav-nun), Yes, but
mostly called Hechatan irrespective of his pre-marital status

To what extent is the rule of 100 + 100 zuzin bride price for
a maiden, 50 + 50 for a widow or divorcee, universal across
communities?

Ans: The above are largely universal (in Orthodox).

Questions of halacha arise where a couple have been living together
before marriage or where it is known that the bride may indeed not
be a virgin. The lenient/benevolent (somewhat naive) view is
usually to give every first time bride the benefit of the doubt,
call her a betulah and give her 100+100 zuz. But there are serious
views to the contrary

In circumstances where status is unclear, or the couple had a civil
marriage, one may use the word It'ta woman, or it'ta di'ley his wife
and then 100+100 or 50+50 is according to the circumstances. It
strikes me that his would be more of a modern problem than a
historical one.

Wishing one and all a Ktivah V'chatimah Tovah

Rabbi Philip Heilbrunn

Further to Michael Bernet's list of names for the status of the
bride.

Maiden (literally "virgin") and indicates a first
marriage: betulta (bet-tav-vav-lamed-tav-aleph)
widow: the usual Aramaic word is
"Armalta" (aleph-reish-mem-lamed-tav-aleph)
divorcee: Is Matrachta (translation:matron)
(mem-tav-reish-chaf-tav-aleph)

Is the groom always simply known as chatan (chet-tav-nun), Yes, but
mostly called Hechatan irrespective of his pre-marital status

To what extent is the rule of 100 + 100 zuzin bride price for
a maiden, 50 + 50 for a widow or divorcee, universal across
communities?

Ans: The above are largely universal (in Orthodox).

Questions of halacha arise where a couple have been living together
before marriage or where it is known that the bride may indeed not
be a virgin. The lenient/benevolent (somewhat naive) view is
usually to give every first time bride the benefit of the doubt,
call her a betulah and give her 100+100 zuz. But there are serious
views to the contrary

In circumstances where status is unclear, or the couple had a civil
marriage, one may use the word It'ta woman, or it'ta di'ley his wife
and then 100+100 or 50+50 is according to the circumstances. It
strikes me that his would be more of a modern problem than a
historical one.

Wishing one and all a Ktivah V'chatimah Tovah

Rabbi Philip Heilbrunn

Zfat, Wednesday night

In search of my ggggrandfather’s grave: The sefer says that Rav
Eliyahu FRUCHTER died in Zfat on Rosh Chodesh Kislev, 1864 and was
laid to rest in the cave next to Rav Hatsadik Dov Ber of Avritsh and
near the Baal Levushe Srod. The Avritch bet kneset is still used
and stands a few meters away >from the Kosov shul. I found the cave!

Who was R’ Eliyahu and what is he to me? My grandmother Pesi Leah
HAGER [killed in Auschwitz in 1942] was the daughter of Avrohom
Chaim HAGER [d: 1886] who married Alte Chaya Gitse FRUCHTER [d:
1922], daughter of Rav Shmuel FRUCHTER [d: 1879.] He was the son of
R' Eliiyahu FRUCHTER, whose father was Shlomo [the first FRUCHTER –
given this patronymic by the Emperor of Austro-Hungary – whose story
of the three brothers I will write about soon.]

Shlomo was the son of Yosef and a nephew of Rav Shmelke of
Nikolsburg [Rav Shmuel Shmelke Levi, Ish HOROWITZ, 1726-1778, Chief
Rabbi of Moravia.] R’Shmelke was the son of Tsvi Hirsh HOROWITZ and
brother of Rav Pinchas HOROWITZ of Frankfurt-am-Main . Apparently
Shlomo FRUCHTER was the first Rav to settle in Obervisheve in
Marmorosh.

The cave has a small opening and I had to scrunch and hunker down to
get in [on the way out I found it was easier to back in/out]. There
are many horizontal and vertical headstones packed closely. Many
stones have the carvings time-eroded. Near the entrance there is a
stone with the name Eliyahu, but it had the wrong date. I felt like
a Jewish “Indiana Jones” but unlike him I did not come prepared with
a flashlight.

At the Kever of the ARI [Rav Yitskhak Luria; d: 1572], found a man
dispensing blessings to visitors. He is very knowledgeable about
this old Zfat cemetery. I commissioned him to search for R’Elyahu's
headstone.

This morning I spoke to him. He had been in the cave last night
searching with a lantern. So far, nothing. He discovered that the
cave had another entrance, which he had not been aware of. He and
his son will keep searching.

Additional note: R’ Shmuel FRUCHTER’s daughter, Malka, married
Nachman KAHANE [d:1841], son of Rav Yehuda KAHANE [the “Kuntras
Hasfekos,” Av Bes Din of Szighet, 1755-1819.] Malka’s sister,
Nissel, married my gggrandfather, Yaakov ROZENBERG [d: 1884 and
rests in Tiveria in the ‘Bet Olam shel talmidei HaBaal Shem Tov.]

Any readers who can contribute additional information on the
Fruchter antecedents: please write to me at sam@shoshan.com

Shmuel Shoshan
Zfat - Miami
mailto:Sam@Shoshan.com

Zfat, Wednesday night

In search of my ggggrandfather’s grave: The sefer says that Rav
Eliyahu FRUCHTER died in Zfat on Rosh Chodesh Kislev, 1864 and was
laid to rest in the cave next to Rav Hatsadik Dov Ber of Avritsh and
near the Baal Levushe Srod. The Avritch bet kneset is still used
and stands a few meters away >from the Kosov shul. I found the cave!

Who was R’ Eliyahu and what is he to me? My grandmother Pesi Leah
HAGER [killed in Auschwitz in 1942] was the daughter of Avrohom
Chaim HAGER [d: 1886] who married Alte Chaya Gitse FRUCHTER [d:
1922], daughter of Rav Shmuel FRUCHTER [d: 1879.] He was the son of
R' Eliiyahu FRUCHTER, whose father was Shlomo [the first FRUCHTER –
given this patronymic by the Emperor of Austro-Hungary – whose story
of the three brothers I will write about soon.]

Shlomo was the son of Yosef and a nephew of Rav Shmelke of
Nikolsburg [Rav Shmuel Shmelke Levi, Ish HOROWITZ, 1726-1778, Chief
Rabbi of Moravia.] R’Shmelke was the son of Tsvi Hirsh HOROWITZ and
brother of Rav Pinchas HOROWITZ of Frankfurt-am-Main . Apparently
Shlomo FRUCHTER was the first Rav to settle in Obervisheve in
Marmorosh.

The cave has a small opening and I had to scrunch and hunker down to
get in [on the way out I found it was easier to back in/out]. There
are many horizontal and vertical headstones packed closely. Many
stones have the carvings time-eroded. Near the entrance there is a
stone with the name Eliyahu, but it had the wrong date. I felt like
a Jewish “Indiana Jones” but unlike him I did not come prepared with
a flashlight.

At the Kever of the ARI [Rav Yitskhak Luria; d: 1572], found a man
dispensing blessings to visitors. He is very knowledgeable about
this old Zfat cemetery. I commissioned him to search for R’Elyahu's
headstone.

This morning I spoke to him. He had been in the cave last night
searching with a lantern. So far, nothing. He discovered that the
cave had another entrance, which he had not been aware of. He and
his son will keep searching.

Additional note: R’ Shmuel FRUCHTER’s daughter, Malka, married
Nachman KAHANE [d:1841], son of Rav Yehuda KAHANE [the “Kuntras
Hasfekos,” Av Bes Din of Szighet, 1755-1819.] Malka’s sister,
Nissel, married my gggrandfather, Yaakov ROZENBERG [d: 1884 and
rests in Tiveria in the ‘Bet Olam shel talmidei HaBaal Shem Tov.]

Any readers who can contribute additional information on the
Fruchter antecedents: please write to me at sam@shoshan.com

Shmuel Shoshan
Zfat - Miami
mailto:Sam@Shoshan.com

On 2002.08.27, Chaim Freedman <chaimjan@zahav.net.il> wrote,

Of course we need to take care with this material, some of
which may be superceded by later research. Very useful also
are the many biographies and descriptions of communities.

Chaim Freedman's caution that "course we need to take care with this
material, some of which may be superceded by later research," gives
rise to another alert when dealing with old material. We need to be
able to sort out fact >from prejudiced opinion. This quote on the
Vilna Gaon highlights the problem:

"Since Elijah had never studied at any yeshibah (sic), he had this
advantage, that his mind was never biased by prejudice or by the
perverted methods of study then in vogue."

The Vilna Gaon may have viewed a fresh mind as being advantageous,
but to call the method of study in European yehivos in the 18th
century "perverted" is nothing short of slander. Unfortunately,
this was written by a respect and renowned scholar, which just adds
to the problem.

Eliyahu Allon
mailto:eallon@peoplepc.com

On 2002.08.27, Chaim Freedman <chaimjan@zahav.net.il> wrote,

Of course we need to take care with this material, some of
which may be superceded by later research. Very useful also
are the many biographies and descriptions of communities.

Chaim Freedman's caution that "course we need to take care with this
material, some of which may be superceded by later research," gives
rise to another alert when dealing with old material. We need to be
able to sort out fact >from prejudiced opinion. This quote on the
Vilna Gaon highlights the problem:

"Since Elijah had never studied at any yeshibah (sic), he had this
advantage, that his mind was never biased by prejudice or by the
perverted methods of study then in vogue."

The Vilna Gaon may have viewed a fresh mind as being advantageous,
but to call the method of study in European yehivos in the 18th
century "perverted" is nothing short of slander. Unfortunately,
this was written by a respect and renowned scholar, which just adds
to the problem.

Eliyahu Allon
mailto:eallon@peoplepc.com

shalom i would like to have information about family geschlider or =
geszlider or gischlider

thanks a lot


shana tova for everybody

raymonde

shalom i would like to have information about family geschlider or =
geszlider or gischlider

thanks a lot


shana tova for everybody

raymonde