Firstly, I am wondering if there are any civil records for Polish doctors
that might be available for the years before the war (or records >from some
professional medical associations)?

In response to Alan Glixman (above)....

This is an excellent book you should consider examining:

Martyrdom of Jewish Physicians in Poland.
1963.
New York: Exposition Press.

Dan

P.S. The book is available at many libraries. See below, under my
signature.
........................................................
Daniel Kazez <dkazez@wittenberg.edu>
Professor of Music / Wittenberg University / Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland: TALMAN, ENGLANDER, JURKIEWICZ, STRAUSBERG, KIFER, CZAPNIK, BRODA,
SZEWCZYK, LEWKOWICZ, SZPALTYN, OFMAN, ZYLBERBERG, KRZEPICKI, LUKS,
MOSZKOWICZ, STROZ, SZWIMER, GUTMAN, PESACH
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/fam/ent/fam.html

OH CLEVELAND COL OF JEWISH STUDIES CJW
OH OHIO UNIV OUN
CA CALIFORNIA STATE UNIV, SAN BERNARDINO CSB
CA HOLOCAUST CTR OF N CALIFORNIA HNO
CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, LA CLU
CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, SAN DIEGO CUS
CT UNIV OF NEW HAVEN LIBR UNH
CT YALE UNIV LIBR YUS
DC GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIV DGW
DC LIBRARY OF CONGRESS DLC
DC US HOLOCAUST MEM MUS LHM
FL GULF COAST COMMUN COL LIBR PD5
FL UNIV OF FLORIDA FUG
IL AMERICAN MED ASN AMA
IL UNIV OF CHICAGO CGU
KY UNIV OF KENTUCKY, MED CTR KUM
LA STATE LIBR OF LOUISIANA LSL
MA BOSTON UNIV BOS
MA BRANDEIS UNIV LIBR MBB
MA UNIV OF MASSACHUSETTS AT BOSTON BMU
MD JOHNS HOPKINS UNIV, WELCH MED LIBR JHW
MI HOLOCAUST MEM CTR EHC
MI MICHIGAN STATE UNIV EEM
MI UNIV OF MICHIGAN LIBR EYM
MI WAYNE STATE UNIV EYW
MN MINNEAPOLIS PUB LIBR & INFO CTR MPI
MN UNIV OF MINNESOTA, BIO MED LIBR UMM
NC NORTH CAROLINA STATE UNIV NRC
NJ RUTGERS UNIV NJR
NJ SETON HALL UNIV STH
NY ALBERT EINSTEIN COL, MED COL YYE
NY BROOKLYN PUB LIBR BKL
NY COLUMBIA UNIV, HEALTH SCI ZCH
NY CORNELL UNIV COO
NY MUSEUM OF JEWISH HERITAGE H@J
NY NASSAU COMMUN COL VVX
NY NEW YORK PUB LIBR RES LIBR NYP
NY NEW YORK UNIV ZYU
NY QUEENS BOROUGH PUB LIBR ZQP
NY STATE UNIV OF NEW YORK, BINGHAMTON LIBR BNG
NY SUNY AT ALBANY NAM
NY SUNY AT STONY BROOK YSM
NY SUNY HEALTH SCI CTR AT BROOKLYN VVD
NY YESHIVA UNIV YYP
PA COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS OF PHILADELPHIA PPC
PA TEMPLE UNIV TEU
RI BROWN UNIV RBN
TX RICE UNIV, FONDREN LIBR RCE
TX TEXAS TECH UNIV ILU
VA UNIV OF VIRGINIA, MOORE HEALTH SCI LIBR VAM
VT UNIV OF VERMONT, BAILEY LIBR VTU
WA UNIV OF WASHINGTON LIBR WAU
WI UNIV OF WISCONSIN, GREEN BAY GZW
WI UNIV OF WISCONSIN, MADISON, HEALTH SCI GZH
WV WEST VIRGINIA UNIV LIBR WVU
ON MCMASTER UNIV MUX
EU WELLCOME INST EUW
OH PRIOR HEALTH SCI LIBR OS2
FL UNIV OF MIAMI, SCH OF MED FQM
IL NORTHWESTERN UNIV, MED LIBR INM
KS CLENDENING HIST OF MED LIBR, KSU MED CTR KHM
MA CLARK UNIV CKM
MA HARVARD UNIV, HARVARD COL LIBR TECH SERV HLS
MD NATIONAL LIBR OF MED NLM
NY MUSEUM OF JEWISH HERITAGE H@J
NY UNIV OF ROCHESTER, MINER MED LIBR RNM
PA CHILDREN'S HOSP OF PHILADELPHIA, THE HPY
PA COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS OF PHILADELPHIA PPC
PA VALLEY FORGE CHRISTIAN COL LIBR VF$
EU CAMBRIDGE UNIV CUD
ZZ BAR ILAN UNIV BRA
ZZ UNIV OF CAPE TOWN

Firstly, I am wondering if there are any civil records for Polish doctors
that might be available for the years before the war (or records >from some
professional medical associations)?

In response to Alan Glixman (above)....

This is an excellent book you should consider examining:

Martyrdom of Jewish Physicians in Poland.
1963.
New York: Exposition Press.

Dan

P.S. The book is available at many libraries. See below, under my
signature.
........................................................
Daniel Kazez <dkazez@wittenberg.edu>
Professor of Music / Wittenberg University / Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland: TALMAN, ENGLANDER, JURKIEWICZ, STRAUSBERG, KIFER, CZAPNIK, BRODA,
SZEWCZYK, LEWKOWICZ, SZPALTYN, OFMAN, ZYLBERBERG, KRZEPICKI, LUKS,
MOSZKOWICZ, STROZ, SZWIMER, GUTMAN, PESACH
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/fam/ent/fam.html

OH CLEVELAND COL OF JEWISH STUDIES CJW
OH OHIO UNIV OUN
CA CALIFORNIA STATE UNIV, SAN BERNARDINO CSB
CA HOLOCAUST CTR OF N CALIFORNIA HNO
CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, LA CLU
CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, SAN DIEGO CUS
CT UNIV OF NEW HAVEN LIBR UNH
CT YALE UNIV LIBR YUS
DC GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIV DGW
DC LIBRARY OF CONGRESS DLC
DC US HOLOCAUST MEM MUS LHM
FL GULF COAST COMMUN COL LIBR PD5
FL UNIV OF FLORIDA FUG
IL AMERICAN MED ASN AMA
IL UNIV OF CHICAGO CGU
KY UNIV OF KENTUCKY, MED CTR KUM
LA STATE LIBR OF LOUISIANA LSL
MA BOSTON UNIV BOS
MA BRANDEIS UNIV LIBR MBB
MA UNIV OF MASSACHUSETTS AT BOSTON BMU
MD JOHNS HOPKINS UNIV, WELCH MED LIBR JHW
MI HOLOCAUST MEM CTR EHC
MI MICHIGAN STATE UNIV EEM
MI UNIV OF MICHIGAN LIBR EYM
MI WAYNE STATE UNIV EYW
MN MINNEAPOLIS PUB LIBR & INFO CTR MPI
MN UNIV OF MINNESOTA, BIO MED LIBR UMM
NC NORTH CAROLINA STATE UNIV NRC
NJ RUTGERS UNIV NJR
NJ SETON HALL UNIV STH
NY ALBERT EINSTEIN COL, MED COL YYE
NY BROOKLYN PUB LIBR BKL
NY COLUMBIA UNIV, HEALTH SCI ZCH
NY CORNELL UNIV COO
NY MUSEUM OF JEWISH HERITAGE H@J
NY NASSAU COMMUN COL VVX
NY NEW YORK PUB LIBR RES LIBR NYP
NY NEW YORK UNIV ZYU
NY QUEENS BOROUGH PUB LIBR ZQP
NY STATE UNIV OF NEW YORK, BINGHAMTON LIBR BNG
NY SUNY AT ALBANY NAM
NY SUNY AT STONY BROOK YSM
NY SUNY HEALTH SCI CTR AT BROOKLYN VVD
NY YESHIVA UNIV YYP
PA COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS OF PHILADELPHIA PPC
PA TEMPLE UNIV TEU
RI BROWN UNIV RBN
TX RICE UNIV, FONDREN LIBR RCE
TX TEXAS TECH UNIV ILU
VA UNIV OF VIRGINIA, MOORE HEALTH SCI LIBR VAM
VT UNIV OF VERMONT, BAILEY LIBR VTU
WA UNIV OF WASHINGTON LIBR WAU
WI UNIV OF WISCONSIN, GREEN BAY GZW
WI UNIV OF WISCONSIN, MADISON, HEALTH SCI GZH
WV WEST VIRGINIA UNIV LIBR WVU
ON MCMASTER UNIV MUX
EU WELLCOME INST EUW
OH PRIOR HEALTH SCI LIBR OS2
FL UNIV OF MIAMI, SCH OF MED FQM
IL NORTHWESTERN UNIV, MED LIBR INM
KS CLENDENING HIST OF MED LIBR, KSU MED CTR KHM
MA CLARK UNIV CKM
MA HARVARD UNIV, HARVARD COL LIBR TECH SERV HLS
MD NATIONAL LIBR OF MED NLM
NY MUSEUM OF JEWISH HERITAGE H@J
NY UNIV OF ROCHESTER, MINER MED LIBR RNM
PA CHILDREN'S HOSP OF PHILADELPHIA, THE HPY
PA COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS OF PHILADELPHIA PPC
PA VALLEY FORGE CHRISTIAN COL LIBR VF$
EU CAMBRIDGE UNIV CUD
ZZ BAR ILAN UNIV BRA
ZZ UNIV OF CAPE TOWN

This also goes for the NYC Municpal ARchives at 31 Chambers St. If you get
a copy >from them and it is not clear then you can order a *vault copy*
which they send on to you in two to three weeks and that is usually much
better with complete clarity.

Diane Jacobs
New York

Fran Segall's question about alternatives to the NARA microfilms for
Boston arrivals reminds me of my experience at the Washington NARA.

After trying to read an illegible microfilm, I asked an attendant if
there were any other copies. His reply was negative, and he as much as
said to forget about being able to read the film.

After I got back home, I ordered the same microfilm through the local
Mormon library, and was able to read the microfilm that they provided.
So, don't give up; see if the film can be ordered >from another source to
receive a more legible copy.

Cynthia Spikell

Dear Yehuda

It is necessary to write to the Archives ahead of your trip as you will not
be able to get info if you just arrive at the Archives. Please consult the
SIG webpage for details on how to consult and send an E-mail telling them
when you will be coming in and they will do their best to help you. There
is a big backlog at the moment but they do try to help researchers who come
in person.
If you are going round with Aleks he will give you a price on going with
you as he has a friend who drives a taxi. You must get him to give you a
quote before you depart as you need to know the charges.It would be very
difficult for you outside Riga to find people who speak English and he
could also take you to places of Jewish interest.

You can use the cash machines and do not need to worry about currency in
Riga but outside Riga you will need cash as you will not be able to use
credit cards. Having some dollar bills in your pocket is also a good idea
for travelling outside Riga.

When travelling outside Riga it is a good idea to take some
fruit,crispbread,dried fruit etc in case you are not able to find suitable
food. Take bottled water with you when travelling outside Riga.

Arlene Beare
UK



Original message:

yehuda1@juno.com

Greetings, I am a new member of the Latvia SIG.
Will be going to Latvia in early October to visit long-lost cousins
in Riga and family shtetls in Latgale (Vilany, Varaklani and Bikeva).
I've made contact with Aleksander Feigmanis as a possible guide.
Would very much appreciate any tips >from SIG members re:
-- research in the Historical Archives
-- travel around Latgale region
-- general advice

This also goes for the NYC Municpal ARchives at 31 Chambers St. If you get
a copy >from them and it is not clear then you can order a *vault copy*
which they send on to you in two to three weeks and that is usually much
better with complete clarity.

Diane Jacobs
New York

Fran Segall's question about alternatives to the NARA microfilms for
Boston arrivals reminds me of my experience at the Washington NARA.

After trying to read an illegible microfilm, I asked an attendant if
there were any other copies. His reply was negative, and he as much as
said to forget about being able to read the film.

After I got back home, I ordered the same microfilm through the local
Mormon library, and was able to read the microfilm that they provided.
So, don't give up; see if the film can be ordered >from another source to
receive a more legible copy.

Cynthia Spikell

Dear Yehuda

It is necessary to write to the Archives ahead of your trip as you will not
be able to get info if you just arrive at the Archives. Please consult the
SIG webpage for details on how to consult and send an E-mail telling them
when you will be coming in and they will do their best to help you. There
is a big backlog at the moment but they do try to help researchers who come
in person.
If you are going round with Aleks he will give you a price on going with
you as he has a friend who drives a taxi. You must get him to give you a
quote before you depart as you need to know the charges.It would be very
difficult for you outside Riga to find people who speak English and he
could also take you to places of Jewish interest.

You can use the cash machines and do not need to worry about currency in
Riga but outside Riga you will need cash as you will not be able to use
credit cards. Having some dollar bills in your pocket is also a good idea
for travelling outside Riga.

When travelling outside Riga it is a good idea to take some
fruit,crispbread,dried fruit etc in case you are not able to find suitable
food. Take bottled water with you when travelling outside Riga.

Arlene Beare
UK



Original message:

yehuda1@juno.com

Greetings, I am a new member of the Latvia SIG.
Will be going to Latvia in early October to visit long-lost cousins
in Riga and family shtetls in Latgale (Vilany, Varaklani and Bikeva).
I've made contact with Aleksander Feigmanis as a possible guide.
Would very much appreciate any tips >from SIG members re:
-- research in the Historical Archives
-- travel around Latgale region
-- general advice

I am trying to find out about the little town or
village in Southern Slovakia called Velky Mager. If
I
remember correctly there was a Maly Mager. It was
situated in the area called Zitny Ostrov. The name
is
prominently featured on one of the monuments in Yad
Vashem, but when I look in the Slovak Encyklopedia I
cannot find it. In hungarian it was called Nagy
Mager
and Kiss Mager.
Could the moderator help me?
Nadia Rosa

Moderator VK: I assume that "Mager" is a misspelling of "Magyar". I don't find any Velky Mager, but there is a Velky Meder, Slovakia, about 25 km northeasterly of Gyor, Hungary. I believe the Hungarian name was Nagy Magyar because large is "velky" in Slovak and "nagy" in Hungarian. Small is "maly" in slovak and "kis" in Hungarian. The 1913 gazetteer lists Nagymagyar in Pozsony megye, Somorjai jaras. there's also Nagymad, Pozsony megye, Dunaszerdahelyi jaras and Nagymajor, Szepes megye, Szepesófalvi.

P'Sachyah is in fact a genuine Jewish Hebrew name. I have a cousin with the
same name.

Moishe Miller
moishe@langsam.com

There may be a way to borrow back issues of Magyar Zsido while trying to contact Louis about obtaining back issues.

Many Jewish genealogy societies maintain libraries with copies of journals >from other societies and >from Special Interest Groups. If you are looking for Magyar Zsido and are near a Jewish genealogy society, you might try
their library.

Diane Goldman
<dgoldman@erols.com>

I am trying to find out about the little town or
village in Southern Slovakia called Velky Mager. If
I
remember correctly there was a Maly Mager. It was
situated in the area called Zitny Ostrov. The name
is
prominently featured on one of the monuments in Yad
Vashem, but when I look in the Slovak Encyklopedia I
cannot find it. In hungarian it was called Nagy
Mager
and Kiss Mager.
Could the moderator help me?
Nadia Rosa

Moderator VK: I assume that "Mager" is a misspelling of "Magyar". I don't find any Velky Mager, but there is a Velky Meder, Slovakia, about 25 km northeasterly of Gyor, Hungary. I believe the Hungarian name was Nagy Magyar because large is "velky" in Slovak and "nagy" in Hungarian. Small is "maly" in slovak and "kis" in Hungarian. The 1913 gazetteer lists Nagymagyar in Pozsony megye, Somorjai jaras. there's also Nagymad, Pozsony megye, Dunaszerdahelyi jaras and Nagymajor, Szepes megye, Szepesófalvi.

P'Sachyah is in fact a genuine Jewish Hebrew name. I have a cousin with the
same name.

Moishe Miller
moishe@langsam.com

There may be a way to borrow back issues of Magyar Zsido while trying to contact Louis about obtaining back issues.

Many Jewish genealogy societies maintain libraries with copies of journals >from other societies and >from Special Interest Groups. If you are looking for Magyar Zsido and are near a Jewish genealogy society, you might try
their library.

Diane Goldman
<dgoldman@erols.com>

Dear Arlene,
Thank you and the many others who have done a great job on Jewish Gen.
I am at the point now where I've reserved my flight to Riga and will
be visiting with the rabbi there and will then be travelling on to
Daugavpils, where the family came from.

I read your excellent review of "History of Latvian Jews" and noticed
that the author lives and teaches in Daugavpils. Do you happen to have
an e-mail address or telephone number of Josifs Steimanis? It would be
a great treat for me if I could talk with him while I was in Daugavpils.

Look forward to your reply.
Best regards
Linda Schwey

Dear Arlene,
Thank you and the many others who have done a great job on Jewish Gen.
I am at the point now where I've reserved my flight to Riga and will
be visiting with the rabbi there and will then be travelling on to
Daugavpils, where the family came from.

I read your excellent review of "History of Latvian Jews" and noticed
that the author lives and teaches in Daugavpils. Do you happen to have
an e-mail address or telephone number of Josifs Steimanis? It would be
a great treat for me if I could talk with him while I was in Daugavpils.

Look forward to your reply.
Best regards
Linda Schwey

Could someone help me determine whether Ternovka (Ternivka/Ternifka)
Lat 48 32 Long 29 58 located half-way between Bershad and Uman' was
in the Kiev of Podolia Guberniya ? I would say Kiev but have not been
able to find a reliable answer.

many thanks


Yv Goulnik
Mulhouse, FRANCE
http://goulniky.free.fr/
yves.goulnik@laposte.net

Researching:
GULNIK (GULNICK,GOOLNIK) >from Ternovka then Odessa, Ukraine
SCH(LY)APOSHNIK, PIKOWSKI

Could someone help me determine whether Ternovka (Ternivka/Ternifka)
Lat 48 32 Long 29 58 located half-way between Bershad and Uman' was
in the Kiev of Podolia Guberniya ? I would say Kiev but have not been
able to find a reliable answer.

many thanks


Yv Goulnik
Mulhouse, FRANCE
http://goulniky.free.fr/
yves.goulnik@laposte.net

Researching:
GULNIK (GULNICK,GOOLNIK) >from Ternovka then Odessa, Ukraine
SCH(LY)APOSHNIK, PIKOWSKI

There has been recent mention of the RTR and NHAB databases.
Please explain, what are they and where are they to be found?
ALAN COHEN, Pinner, UK
researching GLAZER - Lipkany, Bessarabia; COHEN (KUNYEN) - Vitepsk/Mohile=
v;
ROMANOFSKY-Poltava; DEITSCH (DACZ, DEYTZ etc) -Plock, Poland; KUTNOWSKI =
-
Gostynin, Poland; KIERSTEJN - Lodz, Poland.

There has been recent mention of the RTR and NHAB databases.
Please explain, what are they and where are they to be found?
ALAN COHEN, Pinner, UK
researching GLAZER - Lipkany, Bessarabia; COHEN (KUNYEN) - Vitepsk/Mohile=
v;
ROMANOFSKY-Poltava; DEITSCH (DACZ, DEYTZ etc) -Plock, Poland; KUTNOWSKI =
-
Gostynin, Poland; KIERSTEJN - Lodz, Poland.

Dear Group, Can anyone in UK or Australia help me with
information about the following family please?

Rachel Ottolangui was born about 1834 in London,
(possibley Spitalfields).Her parents were Aaron
Ottolangui and Rayna Ottolangui (nee Bensabat). Rachel
married Henry Simmon(d)s in 1852 in London. Henry was
born about 1833 in London. At some point Henry and
Rachel Simmon(d)s arrived in Melbourne, Australia.
They had 5 children all who were born in Melbourne:
Gordman Simmon(d)s
Aaron Simmon(d)s born 1857
Joshua Simmon(d)s born abt 1859 died 1860
Isaac Simmon(d)s born 1859
Rainer(Rayna) Simmon(d)s born 25-6-1861

In 1861 Henry and Rachel Simmon(d)s and family were
living at Little Lonsdale Street, Melbourne, next door
to the Hebrew Congregational School. Henry Simmon(d)s
was a Grocer and Wine and Spirit Merchant.
I haven't been able to find any record of this family
after 1861.

I'm also interested in hearing >from anyone with a
connection to the BENSABAT family >from London.

Merle Bakes/Langley
Brisbane, Qld,
Australia

Dear Group, Can anyone in UK or Australia help me with
information about the following family please?

Rachel Ottolangui was born about 1834 in London,
(possibley Spitalfields).Her parents were Aaron
Ottolangui and Rayna Ottolangui (nee Bensabat). Rachel
married Henry Simmon(d)s in 1852 in London. Henry was
born about 1833 in London. At some point Henry and
Rachel Simmon(d)s arrived in Melbourne, Australia.
They had 5 children all who were born in Melbourne:
Gordman Simmon(d)s
Aaron Simmon(d)s born 1857
Joshua Simmon(d)s born abt 1859 died 1860
Isaac Simmon(d)s born 1859
Rainer(Rayna) Simmon(d)s born 25-6-1861

In 1861 Henry and Rachel Simmon(d)s and family were
living at Little Lonsdale Street, Melbourne, next door
to the Hebrew Congregational School. Henry Simmon(d)s
was a Grocer and Wine and Spirit Merchant.
I haven't been able to find any record of this family
after 1861.

I'm also interested in hearing >from anyone with a
connection to the BENSABAT family >from London.

Merle Bakes/Langley
Brisbane, Qld,
Australia