Several days ago I posed a query about Russian-Polish names.
I was looking for the most probable religious *and* secular names for
the following:

All were born in Bialystock region:
| >female: called Ina in the US
| >female: called Asa in the US
| >female: called Fania in the US
| male: called "Femushe" - killed in the SHOAH

| B. born and died in Poland
| female: called "Balbina" born and died in Poland
| male: called Miroslav also born and died in Poland
| male: called Seweryn, nicknamed Sevik .
|
And I wondered what might be the contemporary English spelling and
pronunciation of
|the surname "Cainingold" >from "Poland" --- . Is Steingold too far a
stretch?

Two writers suggested that the surname was probably Cajlingold, a Warsaw
Jewish name meaning "counting gold." Another writer wrote, "C = Z
sometimes in Polish, so might actually be a little more accurate to say
Seingold or Sheingold.

In the days since I posted, I learned that Ina was Mina in Bialystok.
Most correspondents suggested Feige for Fania, and I think it most likely.
The jury is still out on Asa.

While 1 genner suggested Femushe could be a variation of "Yefim", several
others proposed that it was probably a diminutive of Efraim. That
suggestion makes the most sense, as there were several Effrems among
cousins in the same generation .

While one writer said that Balbina was not a Jewish name, another said that
she had a relative >from Poland who had the name Balbina and her Yiddish
name had been Blima.

Thanks to all who offered help.

Shana Tova!

Barbara S Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

The processing of orders for copies of eastern Galician records

from the AGAD Archives in Warsaw is being handled through a

special interim payment system instituted by Jewish Records
Indexing - Poland and AGAD. This system has been in place since
the inception of the AGAD indexing project in 2000. This system
is unique and only covers orders of records >from the AGAD
Archives. A previous message to this forum explained the current
situation with orders to other Polish State Archive branches.

As Mike points out, the JRI-Poland / AGAD order process is
working well. Recent experience for turnaround of orders averages
about 60 days. The AGAD status report can be accessed at
http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/agad/agadtowns.html and provides
the indexing status of the 86 administrative towns that are part
of the AGAD project.

For more information about all JRI-Poland projects and discussion
of Polish research, join the JRI-Poland discussion group at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/join.htm.

Mark Halpern
AGAD Archives Coordinator
JRI-Poland
Visit the JRI-Poland web site at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc. is an independent
non-profit U.S. tax-exempt organization and is hosted by
JewishGen.

----- Original Message -----

I'm not sure if this is what you are talking about,
but I have successfully ordered documents >from the
JRI-Poland / AGAD. It was fairly simple and I was
surprised it took only 2 months for the documents to
arrive (congratulations on a job well done).
I simply did a search at the JRI-Poland web site
(http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/), printed out the
table that resulted and highlighted the documentation
I wanted. Then followed the link provided in the
search results to complete the order form
(http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~psaorder)
then followed the link to create the order form
including the mailing address. Cost is $11 per record.

If you need assistance on the links/procedure I
followed please contact me directly.

Now if I could only find someone to translate the
polish. I see names and dates, but ...

Mike Herzlich
mherzlich@yahoo.com

Several days ago I posed a query about Russian-Polish names.
I was looking for the most probable religious *and* secular names for
the following:

All were born in Bialystock region:
| >female: called Ina in the US
| >female: called Asa in the US
| >female: called Fania in the US
| male: called "Femushe" - killed in the SHOAH

| B. born and died in Poland
| female: called "Balbina" born and died in Poland
| male: called Miroslav also born and died in Poland
| male: called Seweryn, nicknamed Sevik .
|
And I wondered what might be the contemporary English spelling and
pronunciation of
|the surname "Cainingold" >from "Poland" --- . Is Steingold too far a
stretch?

Two writers suggested that the surname was probably Cajlingold, a Warsaw
Jewish name meaning "counting gold." Another writer wrote, "C = Z
sometimes in Polish, so might actually be a little more accurate to say
Seingold or Sheingold.

In the days since I posted, I learned that Ina was Mina in Bialystok.
Most correspondents suggested Feige for Fania, and I think it most likely.
The jury is still out on Asa.

While 1 genner suggested Femushe could be a variation of "Yefim", several
others proposed that it was probably a diminutive of Efraim. That
suggestion makes the most sense, as there were several Effrems among
cousins in the same generation .

While one writer said that Balbina was not a Jewish name, another said that
she had a relative >from Poland who had the name Balbina and her Yiddish
name had been Blima.

Thanks to all who offered help.

Shana Tova!

Barbara S Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

The processing of orders for copies of eastern Galician records

from the AGAD Archives in Warsaw is being handled through a

special interim payment system instituted by Jewish Records
Indexing - Poland and AGAD. This system has been in place since
the inception of the AGAD indexing project in 2000. This system
is unique and only covers orders of records >from the AGAD
Archives. A previous message to this forum explained the current
situation with orders to other Polish State Archive branches.

As Mike points out, the JRI-Poland / AGAD order process is
working well. Recent experience for turnaround of orders averages
about 60 days. The AGAD status report can be accessed at
http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/agad/agadtowns.html and provides
the indexing status of the 86 administrative towns that are part
of the AGAD project.

For more information about all JRI-Poland projects and discussion
of Polish research, join the JRI-Poland discussion group at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/join.htm.

Mark Halpern
AGAD Archives Coordinator
JRI-Poland
Visit the JRI-Poland web site at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc. is an independent
non-profit U.S. tax-exempt organization and is hosted by
JewishGen.

----- Original Message -----

I'm not sure if this is what you are talking about,
but I have successfully ordered documents >from the
JRI-Poland / AGAD. It was fairly simple and I was
surprised it took only 2 months for the documents to
arrive (congratulations on a job well done).
I simply did a search at the JRI-Poland web site
(http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/), printed out the
table that resulted and highlighted the documentation
I wanted. Then followed the link provided in the
search results to complete the order form
(http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~psaorder)
then followed the link to create the order form
including the mailing address. Cost is $11 per record.

If you need assistance on the links/procedure I
followed please contact me directly.

Now if I could only find someone to translate the
polish. I see names and dates, but ...

Mike Herzlich
mherzlich@yahoo.com

Dear Friends:

As we prepare to celebrate the New Year please take a moment to
consider that JewishGen provides us with the vital source for our
ongoing genealogical research. JewishGen is still one of the only
free genealogical sites free to us, but not free to JewishGen who must
bear the monthly expense of providing all the resources we use daily
without a second thought. These are costs that must be met to
overcome the current shortfall.

To continue as a public service institution, JewishGen has launched
the first Annual New Year Donor Appeal. The goal is to raise $300,000
to carry us through to the end of 2002 and to acquire the necessary
hardware and software applications for improved databases scheduled to
begin going online by October. There are two million records >from Yad
Vashem and other sources waiting to be made available to us!

Our group is currently working on the following projects and the costs
of preparing and keeping them available on line must be met before
they are added to the JewishGen servers: the "All Rabbis Database,"
and many important additions to the Rav-SIG web site.

The financial support of each and every one of us is needed if
JewishGen is to continue as the only free site for Jewish genealogical
research. Give what you can afford, be it $25, the suggested annual
minimum, or $100 (or more) which will enroll you in the JGFFAlert.
This is a system that informs you via immediate e-mail if another
researcher enters data into the JGFF that has the potential of linking
to your family names.

Please go now to
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/contribute.ihtml. With
your permission, your name will be listed on a special 2002 Annual New
Year Donor Appeal recognition site. We are asking that all our users
make a donation to the very best of their financial ability. Consider
scheduling a monthly deduction >from your credit card if this works
best for you.

On behalf of JewishGen and Rav-SIG, our very best wishes for a
healthy, happy, and peaceful New Year.

Shana Tova,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum, Coordinator
Rabbinic Genealogy Special Interest Group
http://www.jewishgen.org/Rabbinic
Houston, Texas
seflaum@aol.com

Dear Friends:

As we prepare to celebrate the New Year please take a moment to
consider that JewishGen provides us with the vital source for our
ongoing genealogical research. JewishGen is still one of the only
free genealogical sites free to us, but not free to JewishGen who must
bear the monthly expense of providing all the resources we use daily
without a second thought. These are costs that must be met to
overcome the current shortfall.

To continue as a public service institution, JewishGen has launched
the first Annual New Year Donor Appeal. The goal is to raise $300,000
to carry us through to the end of 2002 and to acquire the necessary
hardware and software applications for improved databases scheduled to
begin going online by October. There are two million records >from Yad
Vashem and other sources waiting to be made available to us!

Our group is currently working on the following projects and the costs
of preparing and keeping them available on line must be met before
they are added to the JewishGen servers: the "All Rabbis Database,"
and many important additions to the Rav-SIG web site.

The financial support of each and every one of us is needed if
JewishGen is to continue as the only free site for Jewish genealogical
research. Give what you can afford, be it $25, the suggested annual
minimum, or $100 (or more) which will enroll you in the JGFFAlert.
This is a system that informs you via immediate e-mail if another
researcher enters data into the JGFF that has the potential of linking
to your family names.

Please go now to
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/contribute.ihtml. With
your permission, your name will be listed on a special 2002 Annual New
Year Donor Appeal recognition site. We are asking that all our users
make a donation to the very best of their financial ability. Consider
scheduling a monthly deduction >from your credit card if this works
best for you.

On behalf of JewishGen and Rav-SIG, our very best wishes for a
healthy, happy, and peaceful New Year.

Shana Tova,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum, Coordinator
Rabbinic Genealogy Special Interest Group
http://www.jewishgen.org/Rabbinic
Houston, Texas
seflaum@aol.com

Dear Friends:
As we prepare to celebrate the New Year please take a moment to consider
this:

JewishGen provides us with the vital source for our ongoing genealogical
research.

JewishGen is still one of the only free genealogical sites.

It is free to us, but not free to JewishGen who must bear the expense of
providing all the resources we use daily without a second thought. These
are costs that must be met to overcome the current financial shortfall at
JewishGen.

To continue as a public service institution, JewishGen has launched the
first Annual New Year Donor Appeal. The goal is to raise $300,000
to carry us through to the end of 2002 and to acquire the necessary
hardware and software applications for improved databases scheduled to
begin going online by October. There are two million records >from Yad
Vashem and other sources waiting to be made available to us!

The GerSig Forum, The GerSig Archives and the GerSig Website are all
available to us free of charge because JewishGen's "server" and "list server" computers provide these services. We are not required to pay
anything to JewishGen for this.

In the future, GerSig plans to expand our website and add new data bases
such as the Aufbau Name Index and others. These improvements will only
be possible if JewishGen receives more financial contributions.

The financial support of each and every one of us is needed if JewishGen
is to continue as the only free site for Jewish genealogical research.

Give what you can afford, be it $25, the suggested annual minimum, or $100
(or more) which will enroll you in the JGFFAlert. This is a system that
informs you via immediate e-mail if another researcher enters data into the
JGFF that has the potential of linking to your family names.

Please go now to:

<http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/contribute.ihtml>

With your permission, your name will be listed on a special 2002 Annual
New Year Donor Appeal recognition site. We are asking that ALL our users
make a donation to the very best of their financial ability. Consider
scheduling a monthly deduction >from your credit card if this works best
for you.

On behalf of JewishGen and GerSig, our very best wishes
for a healthy, happy and peaceful New Year.

John Paul Lowens, New York GerSig Coordinator

Dear Friends:
As we prepare to celebrate the New Year please take a moment to consider
this:

JewishGen provides us with the vital source for our ongoing genealogical
research.

JewishGen is still one of the only free genealogical sites.

It is free to us, but not free to JewishGen who must bear the expense of
providing all the resources we use daily without a second thought. These
are costs that must be met to overcome the current financial shortfall at
JewishGen.

To continue as a public service institution, JewishGen has launched the
first Annual New Year Donor Appeal. The goal is to raise $300,000
to carry us through to the end of 2002 and to acquire the necessary
hardware and software applications for improved databases scheduled to
begin going online by October. There are two million records >from Yad
Vashem and other sources waiting to be made available to us!

The GerSig Forum, The GerSig Archives and the GerSig Website are all
available to us free of charge because JewishGen's "server" and "list server" computers provide these services. We are not required to pay
anything to JewishGen for this.

In the future, GerSig plans to expand our website and add new data bases
such as the Aufbau Name Index and others. These improvements will only
be possible if JewishGen receives more financial contributions.

The financial support of each and every one of us is needed if JewishGen
is to continue as the only free site for Jewish genealogical research.

Give what you can afford, be it $25, the suggested annual minimum, or $100
(or more) which will enroll you in the JGFFAlert. This is a system that
informs you via immediate e-mail if another researcher enters data into the
JGFF that has the potential of linking to your family names.

Please go now to:

<http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/contribute.ihtml>

With your permission, your name will be listed on a special 2002 Annual
New Year Donor Appeal recognition site. We are asking that ALL our users
make a donation to the very best of their financial ability. Consider
scheduling a monthly deduction >from your credit card if this works best
for you.

On behalf of JewishGen and GerSig, our very best wishes
for a healthy, happy and peaceful New Year.

John Paul Lowens, New York GerSig Coordinator

Hello List Members,
As promised I am writing to update you on the Buchenwald Concentration
Camp Disk. Prof.Sigismund Kobe sent a copy of my message to the Buchenwald
Memorial Historical Department. He received a response, then translated it
for me. With his permission here is what they had to say.
I would like to thank everyone who assisted in helping to identify this
object. Now the next step is to see if Ican find any surviving members of
his family.
Thank you,
Tracy LeSage

The shown object is a cover of an urn of the local crematorium in Weimar.
There up to middle of 1940 the bodies of KZ Buchenwald were cremated.
The administration of the city sent the urns, after demand of relatives,
to the native cemetaries. In the case that there were no such demands or no
relatives could be found, the urns stayed in the administration of the
camp. In time they were poured out. At arrival of the US army, thousands
of urns or covers were found. It is not for the first time, that such a
cover was taken as a remembrance of the horrors that were seen.

Alexander Horvath ( the name on the cover is written wrong), born on 15 Jul
1911 in Oberwart (Burgenland/Austria) belonged to a group of Burgenland
gipsies, coming on 27 Sep 1939 >from the KZ (camp) Dachau to Buchenwald. He
had the prisoner number 33946. On 15 Jan 1940 he died in KZ Buchenwald
due to ' cardiac insufficiency '. On 16 Jan 1940 he was cremated (number
on the cover = registration number of the crematorium). An address of the
family dosn't exist. The families of the Burgenland gipsies were deported
during the years of Nazi power, many of them were killed.

I received many, many responses to my inquiry about the origin of modern
"standard' Israeli cursive fonts. I should have given credit to everyone
who responded.

A number of people guided me to the Encyclopedia Judaica (which I had
already consulted, both CD-Rom *and* the print edition which contains all
the illustrations and plates, most of which are missing >from the CD).
Others directed me to the century-old Jewish Encyclopedia which has just
been put on-line.

from these two sources it appears that the Hebrew cursive script that is

taught in Israeli schools and has been adapted to linotype and electronic
fonts differs very little >from the fonts taught in Germany around 1900; I
have not found instances of Yiddish cursive fonts that deviated >from the
German model, and unless someone else can help us out, it looks like the
Yiddish script is no different >from that of Germany.

To all those who came up with ideas, many thanks. I especially want to
thank my old friend Tom Veterinarer of Brazil who was one of those who
provided leads to the two encyclopedias. And please, don't anyone get me
wrong; having checked out the information that was suggested by others has
in no way made me an expert or a mavin in the topic.

Michael Bernet,
New York

Hello List Members,
As promised I am writing to update you on the Buchenwald Concentration
Camp Disk. Prof.Sigismund Kobe sent a copy of my message to the Buchenwald
Memorial Historical Department. He received a response, then translated it
for me. With his permission here is what they had to say.
I would like to thank everyone who assisted in helping to identify this
object. Now the next step is to see if Ican find any surviving members of
his family.
Thank you,
Tracy LeSage

The shown object is a cover of an urn of the local crematorium in Weimar.
There up to middle of 1940 the bodies of KZ Buchenwald were cremated.
The administration of the city sent the urns, after demand of relatives,
to the native cemetaries. In the case that there were no such demands or no
relatives could be found, the urns stayed in the administration of the
camp. In time they were poured out. At arrival of the US army, thousands
of urns or covers were found. It is not for the first time, that such a
cover was taken as a remembrance of the horrors that were seen.

Alexander Horvath ( the name on the cover is written wrong), born on 15 Jul
1911 in Oberwart (Burgenland/Austria) belonged to a group of Burgenland
gipsies, coming on 27 Sep 1939 >from the KZ (camp) Dachau to Buchenwald. He
had the prisoner number 33946. On 15 Jan 1940 he died in KZ Buchenwald
due to ' cardiac insufficiency '. On 16 Jan 1940 he was cremated (number
on the cover = registration number of the crematorium). An address of the
family dosn't exist. The families of the Burgenland gipsies were deported
during the years of Nazi power, many of them were killed.

I received many, many responses to my inquiry about the origin of modern
"standard' Israeli cursive fonts. I should have given credit to everyone
who responded.

A number of people guided me to the Encyclopedia Judaica (which I had
already consulted, both CD-Rom *and* the print edition which contains all
the illustrations and plates, most of which are missing >from the CD).
Others directed me to the century-old Jewish Encyclopedia which has just
been put on-line.

from these two sources it appears that the Hebrew cursive script that is

taught in Israeli schools and has been adapted to linotype and electronic
fonts differs very little >from the fonts taught in Germany around 1900; I
have not found instances of Yiddish cursive fonts that deviated >from the
German model, and unless someone else can help us out, it looks like the
Yiddish script is no different >from that of Germany.

To all those who came up with ideas, many thanks. I especially want to
thank my old friend Tom Veterinarer of Brazil who was one of those who
provided leads to the two encyclopedias. And please, don't anyone get me
wrong; having checked out the information that was suggested by others has
in no way made me an expert or a mavin in the topic.

Michael Bernet,
New York

In my home library is Nathan Ausubel's Pictorial History of the Jewish
People . I looked up landmanschaften, page 283, to be sure that what I
was going to write in reply to Linda was correct because I vaguely
remembered my gf saying it was a burial society. He was president of the
Plotzer Young Men's Independent Society in 1932. Maybe that is how the
various landmanschaftens were started, but according to the book it was
more than that.

Briefly, these were the extraordinary number of fraternal lodges of mutual
aid, benevolent, sick-and-benefit, burial and free loan societies formed
by the immigrants themselves. These societies also provided a sense of
belonging, a place to preserve their dignity when they fell on hard
times. It was also a way of preserving familiar ties to the Old World.
In 1900 there were over 1,000 societies in New York and by 1935 well over
3000.

There was more in the section, but this is just a basic explanation of why
families joined. Jerry is also correct when he wrote: >>I suspect that,
often, membership is a practical and social convenience. Nevertheless, the
intense emotional attachment to a former world must be present. >>

Joan Parker
Miami, FL
Searching: GOLDBERG and GOODSTEIN-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS and WINOGRAD-Odessa, Ukraine and Brooklyn, NY; GELFAND-Minsk and
Bronx, NY; YEHUDIS; KATZ, Bronx, NY

something always worth trying when you get the message
that the scanned manifest is not available is to press
the Reload/Refresh button. In my experience it often
works though I have no explanation for it, might be a
temporary glitch with the EIDB.

Yv

Y.Goulnik
http://goulniky.free.fr/

Hello
I am looking for a Usher BOLTAX or BOLTAXA. He lived in Vinograd.
Thanks for any help you can give. These people lived in Vinograd.
Sholom
Esther Feinstein Sackheim
Zerakodesh@aol.com

I would like to know if anyone is familiar with the following family from
Wilkowiski (Vilkaviskis), Lithuania:

Sheine BALBERISHKI, born 1938, parents Zavil and Beile BALBERISHKI,
resident of the Kovner Yiddisher Kinderheim, Kestucio 34, Kaunas,
Lithuania. This was a children's orphanage.

I am not researching this family, per se, but only this child and her
parents and whether she survived. Therefore, I do not have any other
information on this family name.

Thank you,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net

JewishGenners,

Please translate the yiddish on the back of a wedding picture.

The words can be found on the Viewmate website.

Simply click on the following address and it will take you directly to
VM1751 .... an image of the inscription.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1751.html

I thank you in advance .... and please respond directly to me.

Saul Goldstone
Saratoga, California
sgoldsto@ix.netcom.com

In my home library is Nathan Ausubel's Pictorial History of the Jewish
People . I looked up landmanschaften, page 283, to be sure that what I
was going to write in reply to Linda was correct because I vaguely
remembered my gf saying it was a burial society. He was president of the
Plotzer Young Men's Independent Society in 1932. Maybe that is how the
various landmanschaftens were started, but according to the book it was
more than that.

Briefly, these were the extraordinary number of fraternal lodges of mutual
aid, benevolent, sick-and-benefit, burial and free loan societies formed
by the immigrants themselves. These societies also provided a sense of
belonging, a place to preserve their dignity when they fell on hard
times. It was also a way of preserving familiar ties to the Old World.
In 1900 there were over 1,000 societies in New York and by 1935 well over
3000.

There was more in the section, but this is just a basic explanation of why
families joined. Jerry is also correct when he wrote: >>I suspect that,
often, membership is a practical and social convenience. Nevertheless, the
intense emotional attachment to a former world must be present. >>

Joan Parker
Miami, FL
Searching: GOLDBERG and GOODSTEIN-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS and WINOGRAD-Odessa, Ukraine and Brooklyn, NY; GELFAND-Minsk and
Bronx, NY; YEHUDIS; KATZ, Bronx, NY

something always worth trying when you get the message
that the scanned manifest is not available is to press
the Reload/Refresh button. In my experience it often
works though I have no explanation for it, might be a
temporary glitch with the EIDB.

Yv

Y.Goulnik
http://goulniky.free.fr/

Hello
I am looking for a Usher BOLTAX or BOLTAXA. He lived in Vinograd.
Thanks for any help you can give. These people lived in Vinograd.
Sholom
Esther Feinstein Sackheim
Zerakodesh@aol.com