Date   

loss of Morse site #general

Haviva Langenauer <havival@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Are you among those whose genealogy searches have been set back or crippled
by the loss of the One Step Search Forms for Ellis Island designed by Dr.
Stephen Morse? This is a loss deeply felt by those of us who are serious
genealogists, and who have benefitted enormously through the use of those
great search forms.

I join a long line of many many genners who are deeply indebted to Dr.
Morse for the help he has provided to us. I can only hope that shutting
down the site will be a temporary measure, and that the use of this
invaluable research tool will be restored to the historians and
genealogists who have been making use of it for successful access to
these data.

Most of us who have relatives who have come through Ellis Island, know
that the history of their immigration has to do with a search for freedom
in coming to the shores of America. One can only hope that the message of
freedom and the ideals of America will continue to permeate our thoughts
and deeds. We would hope that we can continue to use every available
resource to allow us to learn more about the great chapters in the history
of immigration to our beloved country.

Haviva Dolgin Langenauer, Ph.D.
Palm Beach, Florida


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen loss of Morse site #general

Haviva Langenauer <havival@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Are you among those whose genealogy searches have been set back or crippled
by the loss of the One Step Search Forms for Ellis Island designed by Dr.
Stephen Morse? This is a loss deeply felt by those of us who are serious
genealogists, and who have benefitted enormously through the use of those
great search forms.

I join a long line of many many genners who are deeply indebted to Dr.
Morse for the help he has provided to us. I can only hope that shutting
down the site will be a temporary measure, and that the use of this
invaluable research tool will be restored to the historians and
genealogists who have been making use of it for successful access to
these data.

Most of us who have relatives who have come through Ellis Island, know
that the history of their immigration has to do with a search for freedom
in coming to the shores of America. One can only hope that the message of
freedom and the ideals of America will continue to permeate our thoughts
and deeds. We would hope that we can continue to use every available
resource to allow us to learn more about the great chapters in the history
of immigration to our beloved country.

Haviva Dolgin Langenauer, Ph.D.
Palm Beach, Florida


We are deeply saddened #general

Carol W. Skydell <cwskydell@...>
 

We have just learned that Les Eldridge, a good friend to JewishGen was
struck by a speeding car and killed early Friday morning. Les had been
attending a wedding in Lakewood, NJ and was walking to his car when he
was hit.
Our sincere condolences to Les' family and to his friend Florence Marmor
who reported the news to us.

Carol Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen We are deeply saddened #general

Carol W. Skydell <cwskydell@...>
 

We have just learned that Les Eldridge, a good friend to JewishGen was
struck by a speeding car and killed early Friday morning. Les had been
attending a wedding in Lakewood, NJ and was walking to his car when he
was hit.
Our sincere condolences to Les' family and to his friend Florence Marmor
who reported the news to us.

Carol Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects


Re: How to research a name change? #general

Samuel A. Arutt <sarutt1@...>
 

If the name change was done utilizing legal process there will be court
record somewhere. More information would be required if the name change
occured without legal process; i.e. search of school records, business
records, title to real property, location ,
union records, social security records etc. Samuel Arutt, saarutt1@cox.net

Can anyone tell me how to research a name
change, which occurred after the immigration
process was complete and when the person was
already in the US?

It is not known whether the naturalization
took place before or after the change of name.

Merle Kastner
Montreal, Canada
merlek@vif.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How to research a name change? #general

Samuel A. Arutt <sarutt1@...>
 

If the name change was done utilizing legal process there will be court
record somewhere. More information would be required if the name change
occured without legal process; i.e. search of school records, business
records, title to real property, location ,
union records, social security records etc. Samuel Arutt, saarutt1@cox.net

Can anyone tell me how to research a name
change, which occurred after the immigration
process was complete and when the person was
already in the US?

It is not known whether the naturalization
took place before or after the change of name.

Merle Kastner
Montreal, Canada
merlek@vif.com


request for recommendation for family tree software #hungary

Mayim Rubin <mayim36@...>
 

i am looking for recommendations for affordable (about
$100.00 or less) family tree software.

I have my family tree(s) composed using ORG.EXE , a
DOS based program used for organizational charts.I
would like to convert it, if possible to a WINDOWS
based product. I would like the product to be
compatible or upgradable with WINDOWS 95 and WINDOWS
NT.

Currently I am looking into 'FamilyTreeMaker' by 2
separate companies, 'Genealogy', and 'Broderbund'. If
anyone has any experience / and/ or recommendations
for family tree software that is a stable and
establishede product that will be supported for many
years, please email me.

Thank you very much.

Miriam Rubin
New York, New York

Moderator VK: If you have suggestions please contact Miriam directly.


Hungary SIG #Hungary request for recommendation for family tree software #hungary

Mayim Rubin <mayim36@...>
 

i am looking for recommendations for affordable (about
$100.00 or less) family tree software.

I have my family tree(s) composed using ORG.EXE , a
DOS based program used for organizational charts.I
would like to convert it, if possible to a WINDOWS
based product. I would like the product to be
compatible or upgradable with WINDOWS 95 and WINDOWS
NT.

Currently I am looking into 'FamilyTreeMaker' by 2
separate companies, 'Genealogy', and 'Broderbund'. If
anyone has any experience / and/ or recommendations
for family tree software that is a stable and
establishede product that will be supported for many
years, please email me.

Thank you very much.

Miriam Rubin
New York, New York

Moderator VK: If you have suggestions please contact Miriam directly.


Szerencs, Zemplen Megye #hungary

bormanjl@...
 

Hello,
My father's aunt Sarolta MALCZ(MALTZ)nee TURK disappeared with her son Imre MALCZ during the Holocaust. The last known place of residence was Szerencs in Zemplen Megye. Does anyone know where and when residents of Szerencs were deported? Where should I begin my search? Thank you for any guidance.

Regards,
Julie MALTZ BORMAN
MALCZ,MALTZ,MOSKOVITZ,ENGEL,SCHWARTZ,ROSENBAUM,SPATZ, TURK,LILIENTHAL,ROSENFELD,KING,GROSZ-Hungary,Slovakia


Hungary SIG #Hungary Szerencs, Zemplen Megye #hungary

bormanjl@...
 

Hello,
My father's aunt Sarolta MALCZ(MALTZ)nee TURK disappeared with her son Imre MALCZ during the Holocaust. The last known place of residence was Szerencs in Zemplen Megye. Does anyone know where and when residents of Szerencs were deported? Where should I begin my search? Thank you for any guidance.

Regards,
Julie MALTZ BORMAN
MALCZ,MALTZ,MOSKOVITZ,ENGEL,SCHWARTZ,ROSENBAUM,SPATZ, TURK,LILIENTHAL,ROSENFELD,KING,GROSZ-Hungary,Slovakia


Alexander Horrath #10663 Buchenwald #hungary

Cashel44@...
 

The following is being posted to many mailing list that may be able to identify and/or help return to the family.

If you have any information, do not contact me, but Tracy

at the following address.

tlesage@triad.rr.com

Thanx, Ley K O'Connor


> Hello list members,
> Several days ago I posted the message below. I have had
several
responses and as yet we have not identified the disk. I am
writing now to
let you know that the image has been posted on the internet and
can be
viewed at the following addresses.
> Large image is at
> http://www.cygnetserv.com/public/horrath.jpg
> and a smaller image is at
> http://www.cygnetserv.com/public/horrath_m.jpg .
>
>
>
> Original Message:
>
> > I am sending this to several lists. A co-worker has an
item that
his
> father brought home after World War II. They have a lot of
questions
about
> this disc. The ultimate goal is to return this disc to the
family if
> possible (or if wanted). To start with I think we need to
find out just
> what the disc is. If any one is interested in seeing an image
please
> contact me off the list at tlesage@triad.rr.com and I will
email the image
> to you.
> > Thank you for any assistance,
> > Tracy LeSage
> >
> > Here's what I know: The disc was found in 1945 outside of an
oven that
> contained one body.
> >
> > The camp was Buchenwald in Germany. The disc is about 4 1/2"
in
diameter.
> It is brown hard plastic with a round disc of aluminum screwed
to it.
> >
> > The name inscribed is Alexander Horrath. The number 10663 is
also
stamped
> above the name. There are several other series of numbers but
they do not
> have any obvious meaning.
> >
> > Please let me know what if anything you find out. We would
definitely
like
> to get this to a surviving member of the family if possible.
>


Moderator VK: Have you suggested to Tracy that she check closely to see whether the name might be Horvath? In that case, the victim would have been a Hungarian and this info might help her to trace survivors.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Alexander Horrath #10663 Buchenwald #hungary

Cashel44@...
 

The following is being posted to many mailing list that may be able to identify and/or help return to the family.

If you have any information, do not contact me, but Tracy

at the following address.

tlesage@triad.rr.com

Thanx, Ley K O'Connor


> Hello list members,
> Several days ago I posted the message below. I have had
several
responses and as yet we have not identified the disk. I am
writing now to
let you know that the image has been posted on the internet and
can be
viewed at the following addresses.
> Large image is at
> http://www.cygnetserv.com/public/horrath.jpg
> and a smaller image is at
> http://www.cygnetserv.com/public/horrath_m.jpg .
>
>
>
> Original Message:
>
> > I am sending this to several lists. A co-worker has an
item that
his
> father brought home after World War II. They have a lot of
questions
about
> this disc. The ultimate goal is to return this disc to the
family if
> possible (or if wanted). To start with I think we need to
find out just
> what the disc is. If any one is interested in seeing an image
please
> contact me off the list at tlesage@triad.rr.com and I will
email the image
> to you.
> > Thank you for any assistance,
> > Tracy LeSage
> >
> > Here's what I know: The disc was found in 1945 outside of an
oven that
> contained one body.
> >
> > The camp was Buchenwald in Germany. The disc is about 4 1/2"
in
diameter.
> It is brown hard plastic with a round disc of aluminum screwed
to it.
> >
> > The name inscribed is Alexander Horrath. The number 10663 is
also
stamped
> above the name. There are several other series of numbers but
they do not
> have any obvious meaning.
> >
> > Please let me know what if anything you find out. We would
definitely
like
> to get this to a surviving member of the family if possible.
>


Moderator VK: Have you suggested to Tracy that she check closely to see whether the name might be Horvath? In that case, the victim would have been a Hungarian and this info might help her to trace survivors.


Re: Adoption of family name ICHENHAUSER adopting place name #germany

Hermann da Fonseca-Wollheim <herman.da.fonseca-wollheim@...>
 

Ernest Kallmann [mailto:ernest.kallmann@wanadoo.fr] asked:

"While transcribing the 1813 Judenmatrikel for Ichenhausen, Bavaria (in
fact the list of family heads with their former names and with their
newly adopted given names and permanent family names) we stumbled over #
174 Joseph b. Simon adopting the name of Joseph ICHENHAUSER. For both of
us it is the first occurrence of a Jew adopting as his family name one
deriving directly >from the place where he lives.
1. Have similar facts occurred in other places and with the name of
that place ? If so, please give us the facts. --------

Yes, I found several cases in the list of naturalized Jews in the
Breslau departements of Silesia:
GUTTENTAGER in Guttentag
KEMPEZOWITZ in Kempezowitz
MUENSTERBERG in Muensterberg
MYSLOWITZER in Myslowitz
OELSNER in Oels
PLESSNER in Plesse
PROSKAUER in Proskau
WIENSKOWITZER in Wienskowitz
And, of course, many SCHLESINGER and DEUTSCH:
I suppose that there were different reasons for adopting a place name
before and after there was a legal obligation to take permanent family
names.

BEFORE, additional names indicating >from what region (e.g. "Fraenkel")
or town (e.g. "Oppenheim[er]") someone came, were adopted or, probably
more often, used by others, to distinguish him >from other men with the
same given and patronymic names. Such names were not necessarily
permanent: Moses Jacob >from Frankfurt would become, in Hamburg, Moses
Jacob Frankfurter. But when he moved on to Breslau, he would be called
Moses Jacob Hamburger. If he remained in Breslau until 1814, Hamburger
would become his permanent family name because he was used to it.

Why did some Jews after 1814 chose the name of the place in which they
lived? In some cases, it might have been just a lack of imagination.

For others, there might be another reason: I don't think that the name
DEUTSCH was ever adopted outside the German speaking countries. They
would have used the translated name ("GERMAN", "L'ALLEMAND" etc)

I suggest that a Jew taking the name DEUTSCH wanted to indicate that he
was assimilated and had to be considered as a German citizen (or,
rather, "subject") with equal rights. The Prussian "Stein-Hardenberg"
reforms which gave the Jews the right to be naturalized were decided
after the Napoleonic wars. I am just back >from Wroclaw (Breslau) where
in the Jewish cemetery one can see tombstones of that period for
volunteers, killed in action. It would be quite normal in this patriotic
and optimistic time to adopt the family name DEUTSCH - or, in a more
humble spirit, the name of the village in which one lived.

Hermann da Fonseca-Wollheim Tervuren, Belgium
<herman.da.fonseca-wollheim@pandora.be>


German SIG #Germany Re: Adoption of family name ICHENHAUSER adopting place name #germany

Hermann da Fonseca-Wollheim <herman.da.fonseca-wollheim@...>
 

Ernest Kallmann [mailto:ernest.kallmann@wanadoo.fr] asked:

"While transcribing the 1813 Judenmatrikel for Ichenhausen, Bavaria (in
fact the list of family heads with their former names and with their
newly adopted given names and permanent family names) we stumbled over #
174 Joseph b. Simon adopting the name of Joseph ICHENHAUSER. For both of
us it is the first occurrence of a Jew adopting as his family name one
deriving directly >from the place where he lives.
1. Have similar facts occurred in other places and with the name of
that place ? If so, please give us the facts. --------

Yes, I found several cases in the list of naturalized Jews in the
Breslau departements of Silesia:
GUTTENTAGER in Guttentag
KEMPEZOWITZ in Kempezowitz
MUENSTERBERG in Muensterberg
MYSLOWITZER in Myslowitz
OELSNER in Oels
PLESSNER in Plesse
PROSKAUER in Proskau
WIENSKOWITZER in Wienskowitz
And, of course, many SCHLESINGER and DEUTSCH:
I suppose that there were different reasons for adopting a place name
before and after there was a legal obligation to take permanent family
names.

BEFORE, additional names indicating >from what region (e.g. "Fraenkel")
or town (e.g. "Oppenheim[er]") someone came, were adopted or, probably
more often, used by others, to distinguish him >from other men with the
same given and patronymic names. Such names were not necessarily
permanent: Moses Jacob >from Frankfurt would become, in Hamburg, Moses
Jacob Frankfurter. But when he moved on to Breslau, he would be called
Moses Jacob Hamburger. If he remained in Breslau until 1814, Hamburger
would become his permanent family name because he was used to it.

Why did some Jews after 1814 chose the name of the place in which they
lived? In some cases, it might have been just a lack of imagination.

For others, there might be another reason: I don't think that the name
DEUTSCH was ever adopted outside the German speaking countries. They
would have used the translated name ("GERMAN", "L'ALLEMAND" etc)

I suggest that a Jew taking the name DEUTSCH wanted to indicate that he
was assimilated and had to be considered as a German citizen (or,
rather, "subject") with equal rights. The Prussian "Stein-Hardenberg"
reforms which gave the Jews the right to be naturalized were decided
after the Napoleonic wars. I am just back >from Wroclaw (Breslau) where
in the Jewish cemetery one can see tombstones of that period for
volunteers, killed in action. It would be quite normal in this patriotic
and optimistic time to adopt the family name DEUTSCH - or, in a more
humble spirit, the name of the village in which one lived.

Hermann da Fonseca-Wollheim Tervuren, Belgium
<herman.da.fonseca-wollheim@pandora.be>


How to research a name change? #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

Can anyone tell me how to research a name
change, which occurred after the immigration
process was complete and when the person was
already in the US?

It is not known whether the naturalization
took place before or after the change of name.

Merle Kastner
Montreal, Canada
merlek@vif.com


EHRMANN family of Bonfeld, Germany #general

andrew.barrettbettcher@...
 

Hello, I am researching my Ehrmann family in Bonfeld, Wurttemberg Germany.

As far as I know, they are not Jewish. However, I found a surname index at
my university library that says that the name EHRMANN is Jewish. I have
traced them back to Johann Albrecht Ehrmann, born about 1690 location
unknown, died 1 Jan 1762 in Bonfeld. He married a Maria Elis. Strieb and
their children were baptized in the Lutheran Church in Bonfeld. I have
found that there were many Jewish settlements in this part of Germany and
am wondering if it is remotely possible that he was a convert to
Lutheranism??
Am I off track?

Please reply to barrett_bettcher@hotmail.com

Andrew Barrett-Bettcher
Apple Valley, MN


Re: Landsmanshaft organization Query #general

Linda <altmanlh@...>
 

Jerome;
My great grandparents belonged to a landsmanshaft for those who were fro
Wysokie Mazowiekie. I do not know the name, my grandmother cannot remember
it. Only my g. grandfather was >from Wysokie Maz. My g. grandmother was
from Zambrow. I find it odd that he joined, he left Wysokie Maz., as a
young child to live in London, England. I do not know how much he would
have remembered.

Linda Altman

On Tue, 03 September 2002, jselig3460@aol.com wrote:

Genners:
I have often pondered the question of whether or not all members of a
landsmanshaft come >from the shtetl,or vicinity, upon which the
organization is based. How do we then account for so many of the married
couples being members? I suspect that, often, membership is a practical
and social convenience.
Nevertheless, the intense emotional attachment to a former world must be
present. I can only put it to our membership, to recall the
conversations >from their childhood when keeping an ear open to the
conversation of their elders to bring enlightenment to this subject.
My research in this area provides only conjecture, not hard data.

Jerome Seligsohn
NYC
SELIGSOHN and ELKIN of Mogilev

Linda Altman - Raleigh, NC
researching:
ALTMAN, >from Russia to NY City. TYRNAUER >from Hungary. BERGMAN >from
Warsaw & Sokolow-Podlaski, Poland to the UK, Israel and US.
CYBULA/CYBULKA/CYBULKO/CYBULKSI, Ostrow Maz., Siedlce,& Zambrow, Poland to
UK, and US. GOLDFINGIER, Sokolow-Podlaski, Poland. SINGER, Austria.
KRIEDBERG/KREIDBERG/KZAIBURG/KRITBERG/KRITZBERG >from Russia to US.
LIEBERMAN, Austria and Romania to US.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen How to research a name change? #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

Can anyone tell me how to research a name
change, which occurred after the immigration
process was complete and when the person was
already in the US?

It is not known whether the naturalization
took place before or after the change of name.

Merle Kastner
Montreal, Canada
merlek@vif.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen EHRMANN family of Bonfeld, Germany #general

andrew.barrettbettcher@...
 

Hello, I am researching my Ehrmann family in Bonfeld, Wurttemberg Germany.

As far as I know, they are not Jewish. However, I found a surname index at
my university library that says that the name EHRMANN is Jewish. I have
traced them back to Johann Albrecht Ehrmann, born about 1690 location
unknown, died 1 Jan 1762 in Bonfeld. He married a Maria Elis. Strieb and
their children were baptized in the Lutheran Church in Bonfeld. I have
found that there were many Jewish settlements in this part of Germany and
am wondering if it is remotely possible that he was a convert to
Lutheranism??
Am I off track?

Please reply to barrett_bettcher@hotmail.com

Andrew Barrett-Bettcher
Apple Valley, MN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Landsmanshaft organization Query #general

Linda <altmanlh@...>
 

Jerome;
My great grandparents belonged to a landsmanshaft for those who were fro
Wysokie Mazowiekie. I do not know the name, my grandmother cannot remember
it. Only my g. grandfather was >from Wysokie Maz. My g. grandmother was
from Zambrow. I find it odd that he joined, he left Wysokie Maz., as a
young child to live in London, England. I do not know how much he would
have remembered.

Linda Altman

On Tue, 03 September 2002, jselig3460@aol.com wrote:

Genners:
I have often pondered the question of whether or not all members of a
landsmanshaft come >from the shtetl,or vicinity, upon which the
organization is based. How do we then account for so many of the married
couples being members? I suspect that, often, membership is a practical
and social convenience.
Nevertheless, the intense emotional attachment to a former world must be
present. I can only put it to our membership, to recall the
conversations >from their childhood when keeping an ear open to the
conversation of their elders to bring enlightenment to this subject.
My research in this area provides only conjecture, not hard data.

Jerome Seligsohn
NYC
SELIGSOHN and ELKIN of Mogilev

Linda Altman - Raleigh, NC
researching:
ALTMAN, >from Russia to NY City. TYRNAUER >from Hungary. BERGMAN >from
Warsaw & Sokolow-Podlaski, Poland to the UK, Israel and US.
CYBULA/CYBULKA/CYBULKO/CYBULKSI, Ostrow Maz., Siedlce,& Zambrow, Poland to
UK, and US. GOLDFINGIER, Sokolow-Podlaski, Poland. SINGER, Austria.
KRIEDBERG/KREIDBERG/KZAIBURG/KRITBERG/KRITZBERG >from Russia to US.
LIEBERMAN, Austria and Romania to US.