Dear Gen-ers :
please appologise me for the previous no-complet message.

The vilage CSOLOMAI you are researching is NAGYCSALOMJA -
Hungarian, now VELKA CALOMIIJA, District of Velky Krtis,
Slovakia. The name of former county should be HONT instead
HUNT.

The village belonged in the past to the SAHY - former
IPOLYSAG Rabbinate. The Jewish records of SAHY incl. VELKA
CALOMIJA are kept in Banska Bystrica and Nitra County
Archives >from the period as follow :

births 1850 - 1949
marriages 1850 - 1947
deaths 1850 - 1947

WBR
Tomas Lang, PhD
Jewish Community President
Ceska basta 5
SK-940 60 NOVÉ ZÁMKY
Slovak Republic
Phone +421 (0) 35 / 64 01 759
Fax : +421 (0) 35 / 64 44 640
www : http://www.kehilanz.sk
E-mail: kehilanz@pobox.sk

Why not just use the Ellis Island website direct?

http://ellisisland.org/

If you need help, I'll be happy to help you. I'm a member.

Ley K O'Connor

Dear Gen-ers :
please appologise me for the previous no-complet message.

The vilage CSOLOMAI you are researching is NAGYCSALOMJA -
Hungarian, now VELKA CALOMIIJA, District of Velky Krtis,
Slovakia. The name of former county should be HONT instead
HUNT.

The village belonged in the past to the SAHY - former
IPOLYSAG Rabbinate. The Jewish records of SAHY incl. VELKA
CALOMIJA are kept in Banska Bystrica and Nitra County
Archives >from the period as follow :

births 1850 - 1949
marriages 1850 - 1947
deaths 1850 - 1947

WBR
Tomas Lang, PhD
Jewish Community President
Ceska basta 5
SK-940 60 NOVÉ ZÁMKY
Slovak Republic
Phone +421 (0) 35 / 64 01 759
Fax : +421 (0) 35 / 64 44 640
www : http://www.kehilanz.sk
E-mail: kehilanz@pobox.sk

Why not just use the Ellis Island website direct?

http://ellisisland.org/

If you need help, I'll be happy to help you. I'm a member.

Ley K O'Connor

Your town is probably Nagy-Csalomia, itself a district (jaras) in Hont
megye, now Vel'ká Calomija. In 1877 there were 29 Jews there who went
to a shul at Ipolyság. The Nitra archives currently has the town's
Jewish births1850-1949, marriages 1850-1947, and deaths. 1850-1947.

Jordan Auslander

Your town is probably Nagy-Csalomia, itself a district (jaras) in Hont
megye, now Vel'ká Calomija. In 1877 there were 29 Jews there who went
to a shul at Ipolyság. The Nitra archives currently has the town's
Jewish births1850-1949, marriages 1850-1947, and deaths. 1850-1947.

Jordan Auslander

The following information was obtained >from the 1982 will of her mother,
Rebecca Leah ZEFFERT nee ZEFFERTT:

< I give to my daughter Evelyn Victoria McCarthy of *** California
Street Apartment ** San Francisco 94115 California U.S.A. the sum
of Two Thousand Pounds absolutely >

If anyone has information on Evelyn Victoria McCARTHY, please email me
directly at dofrank@aol.com.

TIA

Doris SHAPIRO Frank, Lake Mary, FL

The following information was obtained >from the 1982 will of her mother,
Rebecca Leah ZEFFERT nee ZEFFERTT:

< I give to my daughter Evelyn Victoria McCarthy of *** California
Street Apartment ** San Francisco 94115 California U.S.A. the sum
of Two Thousand Pounds absolutely >

If anyone has information on Evelyn Victoria McCARTHY, please email me
directly at dofrank@aol.com.

TIA

Doris SHAPIRO Frank, Lake Mary, FL

I'm afraid it is so. The Ellis Island Foundation has put me on notice
that I am in violation of their terms of usage. This is not true, but I
obviously don't have the legal resources to fight this. Therefore, to
avoid a lawsuit, I have taken down the website.

-- Steve Morse

For those wishing to trace ancestors who left
Lithuania, Belarus and elsewhere and settled in, or
passed through, Britain, please note that the UK 1901
Census, covering England and Wales, is now currently
on-line (as a test site) at www.census.pro.gov.uk

It is uncertain how long the site will remain on-line,
but is well worth a visit if you had family members in
the UK on March 31, 1901.

David Shulman

Ra'anana, Israel

I'm afraid it is so. The Ellis Island Foundation has put me on notice
that I am in violation of their terms of usage. This is not true, but I
obviously don't have the legal resources to fight this. Therefore, to
avoid a lawsuit, I have taken down the website.

-- Steve Morse

For those wishing to trace ancestors who left
Lithuania, Belarus and elsewhere and settled in, or
passed through, Britain, please note that the UK 1901
Census, covering England and Wales, is now currently
on-line (as a test site) at www.census.pro.gov.uk

It is uncertain how long the site will remain on-line,
but is well worth a visit if you had family members in
the UK on March 31, 1901.

David Shulman

Ra'anana, Israel

In a message dated 9/2/02 Joel A Morrow wrote:

<<
Good afternoon >from Madrid. I'd like info on the town of Dubno before WWII-My
parents were born there-Murowitzer-orMorowitz-Also Kirsner Family-Are there
any records up to and after WWII?-Is there a list of families >from that
area?-Thanks-Joe >>

I think that Joel should have written to the Ukraine group rather than the
Belarus Group with his question, because Dubnow as was a city in Poland in
the voivodship of Volynia, but is now part of the Ukraine.

Several Jewishgenners are researching the name Morowitz or its variants. I
don't recall "Kirsner" (which could be spelled also as Kirschner), but Mr.
Morrow should check Jewishgen's Family Finder and its Discussion Group
Archives for those surnames.

As for the town Dubno, doing a search using the "seach this website" box at
Jewishgen's main page (http://www.jewishgen.org) will turn up information
about the town, especially see the description and history at the Jewishgen
affiliated International Cemetery Project. Also some information is
available also on the Internet. The "google" search engine
(http://www.google.com) will find it.

There is a Yizkor book for Dubno: a memorial to the Jewish community of
Dubno-Volyn, which was published by the Dubno Organization in Israel in
1956. Usually Yizkor books do contain lists of names. But I do not think
this particular Yizkor book has been translated and put online.

Searching for "Dubno" at http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com will produce an
article about the town written by Herman Rosenthal, S. Janowsky and M
Seligsohn. It gives the names of varous rabbis, one of whom was the subject
of a book. Also this article offers a very short bibliography

There is a brief article about Dubno in the "Universal Jewish Encyclopedia"
which was published in 1941 (I own volumes 1-7 of this Encyclopedia) and I am
almost sure that the Encyclopedia Judaica will also have an article but I do
not have any volumes >from this set. Given that Madrid is the city of Mr. M
orrow's residence it may not be very easy for him to find a set of the
Encyclopedia Judaica. So Mr. Morrow may have to content himself with what the
online "jewishencyclopedia.com" article says.


My 1962 Columbia-Lippincott Gazetteer says that Dubno is situated on the
Ikva Rivers 25 miles West south west of Rovno. In 1931 its population was
12,696. It was an agricultural center, and had tanneries, sawmills, and food
processing, tile and brick factories. It was founded in the 11th century,
and became a commercial center during the eighteenth century. Toward the end
of the eighteenth century it was ceded by Poland to Russia. It was the site
of a number of battles during the Polish-Russian War in 1919-1920, reverted
to Poland in 1921. In 1945 it was ceded to the USSR. Before World War II it
had a large Jewish population.

Miriam Weiner's book "Jewish Roots in Ukraine and Moldova" indicates that
there are still a number of Dubno records available in archives in Rovno,
Zhitomir, Warsaw and Kiev. A researcher would have to be hired to examine
those records for his ancestors.


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

Dear Group,
Avotaynu's newsletter, "Nu, What's Nu?", just sent out a message that
the The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc. has shut down
Stephen Morse's EIDB websites. (Text below)

With tomorrow's mail, I will be sending a real, paper letter to the
SLEIF, complaining about their stupidity (tactfully, of course). I'll
be suggesting they should be commending him instead of censuring him.

Perhaps if enough of us let them know how important and valuable these
websites were to us, they'll reconsider.

Their address, >from their website, is:
The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc.
Attention: History Center
292 Madison Ave
New York, NY 10017

Regards,
Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia USA


Reprinted with permission >from "Nu? What's New?" the Internet e-zine
published by Avotaynu.
==========
Steve Morse "One-Step" Site Forced to Shut Down
Under the threat of legal action >from The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island
Foundation, Inc. (SLEIF), Stephen Morse has shut down all of his sites
that link to the Ellis Island Database. The Foundation accused Morse of
creating a site that performs what has come to be known as "deep
linking." Deep linking is the act of linking to a page at a web site
other than the Home Page.

Deep linking may, indeed, be illegal. In a court case brought in a
country of the European Union, it was deemed illegal and, therefore,
cannot be performed in any country of the EU. In the United States, a
Georgia state law that banned deep linking was ruled unconstitutional
only because it overstepped the boundaries of Georgia law which has to
be limited to events which occur within the state. A number of years
ago, Ticketmaster, a U.S. company that sells tickets to events, sued
Microsoft, who was providing deep links to the Ticketmaster site. The
case was settled out of court with Microsoft agreeing not to continue
the practice.

Morse and SLEIF actually came close to an agreement which would allow
portions of his site to remain available until they provided comparable
service, but the contract they presented him to sign demanded that he
admit that what he did was "in violation of the Foundation's legal
rights and in breach of the Foundation's terms and conditions...." The
contract then stated SLEIF would forgive him for past sins. Morse
refused to agree to such terms and decided instead to close his site.

Deep linking is a common practice. Every search engine performs the
function. Every edition of "Nu? What's New?" includes such links. Web
site owners normally do not object to the practice because it has a
positive benefit to the site owner. However, this does not mean they
cannot reserve the right to request that such a practice be selectively
banned.

Additional information about this controversy can be found at
http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/00/04/cyber/cyberlaw/07law.html,
which, of course, is a deep link into The New York Times web site.

To be added or removed >from this mailing list, go on the Internet to
http://www.avotaynu.com/nuwhatsnew.htm
===================

In a message dated 9/2/02 Joel A Morrow wrote:

<<
Good afternoon >from Madrid. I'd like info on the town of Dubno before WWII-My
parents were born there-Murowitzer-orMorowitz-Also Kirsner Family-Are there
any records up to and after WWII?-Is there a list of families >from that
area?-Thanks-Joe >>

I think that Joel should have written to the Ukraine group rather than the
Belarus Group with his question, because Dubnow as was a city in Poland in
the voivodship of Volynia, but is now part of the Ukraine.

Several Jewishgenners are researching the name Morowitz or its variants. I
don't recall "Kirsner" (which could be spelled also as Kirschner), but Mr.
Morrow should check Jewishgen's Family Finder and its Discussion Group
Archives for those surnames.

As for the town Dubno, doing a search using the "seach this website" box at
Jewishgen's main page (http://www.jewishgen.org) will turn up information
about the town, especially see the description and history at the Jewishgen
affiliated International Cemetery Project. Also some information is
available also on the Internet. The "google" search engine
(http://www.google.com) will find it.

There is a Yizkor book for Dubno: a memorial to the Jewish community of
Dubno-Volyn, which was published by the Dubno Organization in Israel in
1956. Usually Yizkor books do contain lists of names. But I do not think
this particular Yizkor book has been translated and put online.

Searching for "Dubno" at http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com will produce an
article about the town written by Herman Rosenthal, S. Janowsky and M
Seligsohn. It gives the names of varous rabbis, one of whom was the subject
of a book. Also this article offers a very short bibliography

There is a brief article about Dubno in the "Universal Jewish Encyclopedia"
which was published in 1941 (I own volumes 1-7 of this Encyclopedia) and I am
almost sure that the Encyclopedia Judaica will also have an article but I do
not have any volumes >from this set. Given that Madrid is the city of Mr. M
orrow's residence it may not be very easy for him to find a set of the
Encyclopedia Judaica. So Mr. Morrow may have to content himself with what the
online "jewishencyclopedia.com" article says.


My 1962 Columbia-Lippincott Gazetteer says that Dubno is situated on the
Ikva Rivers 25 miles West south west of Rovno. In 1931 its population was
12,696. It was an agricultural center, and had tanneries, sawmills, and food
processing, tile and brick factories. It was founded in the 11th century,
and became a commercial center during the eighteenth century. Toward the end
of the eighteenth century it was ceded by Poland to Russia. It was the site
of a number of battles during the Polish-Russian War in 1919-1920, reverted
to Poland in 1921. In 1945 it was ceded to the USSR. Before World War II it
had a large Jewish population.

Miriam Weiner's book "Jewish Roots in Ukraine and Moldova" indicates that
there are still a number of Dubno records available in archives in Rovno,
Zhitomir, Warsaw and Kiev. A researcher would have to be hired to examine
those records for his ancestors.


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

Dear Group,
Avotaynu's newsletter, "Nu, What's Nu?", just sent out a message that
the The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc. has shut down
Stephen Morse's EIDB websites. (Text below)

With tomorrow's mail, I will be sending a real, paper letter to the
SLEIF, complaining about their stupidity (tactfully, of course). I'll
be suggesting they should be commending him instead of censuring him.

Perhaps if enough of us let them know how important and valuable these
websites were to us, they'll reconsider.

Their address, >from their website, is:
The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc.
Attention: History Center
292 Madison Ave
New York, NY 10017

Regards,
Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia USA


Reprinted with permission >from "Nu? What's New?" the Internet e-zine
published by Avotaynu.
==========
Steve Morse "One-Step" Site Forced to Shut Down
Under the threat of legal action >from The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island
Foundation, Inc. (SLEIF), Stephen Morse has shut down all of his sites
that link to the Ellis Island Database. The Foundation accused Morse of
creating a site that performs what has come to be known as "deep
linking." Deep linking is the act of linking to a page at a web site
other than the Home Page.

Deep linking may, indeed, be illegal. In a court case brought in a
country of the European Union, it was deemed illegal and, therefore,
cannot be performed in any country of the EU. In the United States, a
Georgia state law that banned deep linking was ruled unconstitutional
only because it overstepped the boundaries of Georgia law which has to
be limited to events which occur within the state. A number of years
ago, Ticketmaster, a U.S. company that sells tickets to events, sued
Microsoft, who was providing deep links to the Ticketmaster site. The
case was settled out of court with Microsoft agreeing not to continue
the practice.

Morse and SLEIF actually came close to an agreement which would allow
portions of his site to remain available until they provided comparable
service, but the contract they presented him to sign demanded that he
admit that what he did was "in violation of the Foundation's legal
rights and in breach of the Foundation's terms and conditions...." The
contract then stated SLEIF would forgive him for past sins. Morse
refused to agree to such terms and decided instead to close his site.

Deep linking is a common practice. Every search engine performs the
function. Every edition of "Nu? What's New?" includes such links. Web
site owners normally do not object to the practice because it has a
positive benefit to the site owner. However, this does not mean they
cannot reserve the right to request that such a practice be selectively
banned.

Additional information about this controversy can be found at
http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/00/04/cyber/cyberlaw/07law.html,
which, of course, is a deep link into The New York Times web site.

To be added or removed >from this mailing list, go on the Internet to
http://www.avotaynu.com/nuwhatsnew.htm
===================

I'm not sure if this is what you are talking about,
but I have successfully ordered documents >from the
JRI-Poland / AGAD. It was fairly simple and I was
surprised it took only 2 months for the documents to
arrive (congratulations on a job well done).
I simply did a search at the JRI-Poland web site
(http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/), printed out the
table that resulted and highlighted the documentation
I wanted. Then followed the link provided in the
search results to complete the order form
(http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~psaorder)
then followed the link to create the order form
including the mailing address. Cost is $11 per record.

If you need assistance on the links/procedure I
followed please contact me directly.

Now if I could only find someone to translate the
polish. I see names and dates, but ...

Mike Herzlich
mherzlich@yahoo.com

<< Can anyone update us on the issue regarding orders of
vital records >from PSA in Poland? There was a problem with
currency charges that needed to be resolved, I believe.

Is there a new procedure to order vital records?
Should we use the old procedure? Should we continue to wait?

Shana Tova,

Marty Meyers <meyers01@comcast.net> >>

I am seeking information on the background of Reinaldo and Mathilde
ENGEL who settled in South Brazil.

Reinaldo was born 16 Nov 1890 and his wife 8 August 1901 - possibly in
Russia, or Germany. Arrival in Brazil January 1910.

Children listed: Ida, Reinaldo, Ernesto, Rodolfo, Henrique and Olga

I am especially trying to locate places of birth of the parents and
where they were married.

Thanks in advance.

Terry Newman
Sydney, Australia

I'm not sure if this is what you are talking about,
but I have successfully ordered documents >from the
JRI-Poland / AGAD. It was fairly simple and I was
surprised it took only 2 months for the documents to
arrive (congratulations on a job well done).
I simply did a search at the JRI-Poland web site
(http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/), printed out the
table that resulted and highlighted the documentation
I wanted. Then followed the link provided in the
search results to complete the order form
(http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~psaorder)
then followed the link to create the order form
including the mailing address. Cost is $11 per record.

If you need assistance on the links/procedure I
followed please contact me directly.

Now if I could only find someone to translate the
polish. I see names and dates, but ...

Mike Herzlich
mherzlich@yahoo.com

<< Can anyone update us on the issue regarding orders of
vital records >from PSA in Poland? There was a problem with
currency charges that needed to be resolved, I believe.

Is there a new procedure to order vital records?
Should we use the old procedure? Should we continue to wait?

Shana Tova,

Marty Meyers <meyers01@comcast.net> >>

I am seeking information on the background of Reinaldo and Mathilde
ENGEL who settled in South Brazil.

Reinaldo was born 16 Nov 1890 and his wife 8 August 1901 - possibly in
Russia, or Germany. Arrival in Brazil January 1910.

Children listed: Ida, Reinaldo, Ernesto, Rodolfo, Henrique and Olga

I am especially trying to locate places of birth of the parents and
where they were married.

Thanks in advance.

Terry Newman
Sydney, Australia