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Re: Is *Finland* in Poland? #general

sallybru <sallybru@...>
 

Finland could be Finland, the country. Depending on the year, the family
could have gone to Finland (which is next to Russia) because a war or
epidemic was threatening their town. Check what year (you can figure that
the year or age given by the family is approximate) the boy was born.

One cousin, who came to the US >from Augustow, Poland, said on his
naturalization papers that he was born....drum roll...in Marseilles,
France. He said the same thing on his declaration of intent and petition
for naturalization.

Of course, there was a rebellion, cholera epidemic, and other assorted
trouble around Augustow at the time (late 1860's), but Marseilles was
awfully far away! Finland would have been much closer.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY


Re: Street name Chicago 1910 #general

Melanie Greenberg
 

When searching street name changes and enumeration districts for the
censuses in Chicago, check out this web site:

http://alookatcook.com/

He has maps on the site and for each ward lists street name changes.

Melanie Greenberg

Searching EISENBERG, GREENBERG, KESSLER, PINCUS, ROSENBERG, RUTTENBERG,
TARSON, TATARSKY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mimi Katz" <GeveretK@DIRECTVinternet.com>
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 12:55 PM
Subject: Street name Chicago 1910

In 1910, Chicago, there was an address "432 S. Centre St". Centre St. no
longer exists. Does anyone know the current name for it? I'm trying to
find the ED for the 1910 census.


Louis SILVERMAN- Naturalization Papers & 1920 Census #general

Marilyn Siegel <jadzgran@...>
 

Hi All,
After about 3 months of trying I hope I will get through with plain text!
I have the wonderful documents listed above, but they were not for *my*
Louis SILVERMAN. So if anyone recognizes the info, I will be happy to
send on to you.
1920 Census=Louis, age 56, sister Louise,58, sister Rose,47, sister
Emma,46. All >from Germany. He was a cigar maker.
Petition for Naturalization- Louis SILVERMAN, born Oct. 15, 1885, in
Russia.Occupation-painter. Wife Ida (Levine), children,Frances and Leo,
living at 64 East 100 st. N.Y.Emigrated March,1906. Dated--Feb., 1911,
and Feb. 1913.

I hope someone recognizes these people so that I can send on.
Soon I will have my own requests that I hope I will be helped with.
Happy New Year.
Marilyn in Fl.

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


What is a hawker? #general

Howard Zakai
 

Hello guys,

I came across a possible match for one of my ancestors on the 1901 Census
for England and Wales. He is 68, born in Russia, living in the
Administrative County of London, Civil Parish of Spitalfields and his
occupation is a hawker.

Any clue as to what a hawker does?

Thanks in advance.

Howie Zakai
Staten Island, NY


Non-response #general

HENKEN9@...
 

Genners,

I want to elaborate a little on my comments on how I approach the JGFF
date issue. In so doing, I'm also responding to Mike Posnick and Sally
Bruckheimer, among others, who were kind enough to send their thoughts.

I had edited out a couple of paragraphs >from my message that dealt with
copying several listers with the same message as a time-saving measure. I
respond to every message I receive, with most generated by the JGFF in
regard to LEVIN >from Cherven, Minsk; a very common name in a large
gubernia. By shotgunning my message to a large number of people with the
same research interest, I'd be soliciting many people to take the time to
respond as I do.

I don't think that's fair.

On the other hand, if I could find a plausible link through the family
tree and the finder, then it's clearly worth contacting that particular
lister, regardless of date. I am also more likely to contact a lister
who shares with me an interest in a highly unusual name; again, regardless
of date. I do agree that some of the oldest listings are >from some of the
most dedicated and knowledgable amongst us. If I recognize the name, you
bet I'll be in touch.

As much as I believe that a listing should present a compelling reason to
make contact to a time-limited researcher, I also believe the researcher
should be judicious in making contact in order to be fair to all
involved.

I hope this helps.

Ty Henken
Centennial, Colo.
Henken9@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Is *Finland* in Poland? #general

sallybru <sallybru@...>
 

Finland could be Finland, the country. Depending on the year, the family
could have gone to Finland (which is next to Russia) because a war or
epidemic was threatening their town. Check what year (you can figure that
the year or age given by the family is approximate) the boy was born.

One cousin, who came to the US >from Augustow, Poland, said on his
naturalization papers that he was born....drum roll...in Marseilles,
France. He said the same thing on his declaration of intent and petition
for naturalization.

Of course, there was a rebellion, cholera epidemic, and other assorted
trouble around Augustow at the time (late 1860's), but Marseilles was
awfully far away! Finland would have been much closer.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Street name Chicago 1910 #general

Melanie Greenberg
 

When searching street name changes and enumeration districts for the
censuses in Chicago, check out this web site:

http://alookatcook.com/

He has maps on the site and for each ward lists street name changes.

Melanie Greenberg

Searching EISENBERG, GREENBERG, KESSLER, PINCUS, ROSENBERG, RUTTENBERG,
TARSON, TATARSKY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mimi Katz" <GeveretK@DIRECTVinternet.com>
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 12:55 PM
Subject: Street name Chicago 1910

In 1910, Chicago, there was an address "432 S. Centre St". Centre St. no
longer exists. Does anyone know the current name for it? I'm trying to
find the ED for the 1910 census.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Louis SILVERMAN- Naturalization Papers & 1920 Census #general

Marilyn Siegel <jadzgran@...>
 

Hi All,
After about 3 months of trying I hope I will get through with plain text!
I have the wonderful documents listed above, but they were not for *my*
Louis SILVERMAN. So if anyone recognizes the info, I will be happy to
send on to you.
1920 Census=Louis, age 56, sister Louise,58, sister Rose,47, sister
Emma,46. All >from Germany. He was a cigar maker.
Petition for Naturalization- Louis SILVERMAN, born Oct. 15, 1885, in
Russia.Occupation-painter. Wife Ida (Levine), children,Frances and Leo,
living at 64 East 100 st. N.Y.Emigrated March,1906. Dated--Feb., 1911,
and Feb. 1913.

I hope someone recognizes these people so that I can send on.
Soon I will have my own requests that I hope I will be helped with.
Happy New Year.
Marilyn in Fl.

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen What is a hawker? #general

Howard Zakai
 

Hello guys,

I came across a possible match for one of my ancestors on the 1901 Census
for England and Wales. He is 68, born in Russia, living in the
Administrative County of London, Civil Parish of Spitalfields and his
occupation is a hawker.

Any clue as to what a hawker does?

Thanks in advance.

Howie Zakai
Staten Island, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Non-response #general

HENKEN9@...
 

Genners,

I want to elaborate a little on my comments on how I approach the JGFF
date issue. In so doing, I'm also responding to Mike Posnick and Sally
Bruckheimer, among others, who were kind enough to send their thoughts.

I had edited out a couple of paragraphs >from my message that dealt with
copying several listers with the same message as a time-saving measure. I
respond to every message I receive, with most generated by the JGFF in
regard to LEVIN >from Cherven, Minsk; a very common name in a large
gubernia. By shotgunning my message to a large number of people with the
same research interest, I'd be soliciting many people to take the time to
respond as I do.

I don't think that's fair.

On the other hand, if I could find a plausible link through the family
tree and the finder, then it's clearly worth contacting that particular
lister, regardless of date. I am also more likely to contact a lister
who shares with me an interest in a highly unusual name; again, regardless
of date. I do agree that some of the oldest listings are >from some of the
most dedicated and knowledgable amongst us. If I recognize the name, you
bet I'll be in touch.

As much as I believe that a listing should present a compelling reason to
make contact to a time-limited researcher, I also believe the researcher
should be judicious in making contact in order to be fair to all
involved.

I hope this helps.

Ty Henken
Centennial, Colo.
Henken9@aol.com


Translation team for JOWBR(JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial #general

Joyce Field
 

I am very pleased to announce that Dr. Neil Rosenstein has agreed to
coordinate a team to translate the inscriptions on tombstones for
JewishGen's Online Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR). Neil is on the
Board of Rav-SIG, he initiated the Brody Cemetery Project with 2 other
persons, and he is the author of numerous important Jewish rabbinic
genealogical publications. He is uniquely qualified to coordinate this
project and we are grateful that he will be helping JOWBR.

This team will be of tremendous assistance to people who have been
photographing tombstones in Jewish cemeteries worldwide but are finding it
difficult to translate the inscriptions. This translation team is being
put together to answer requests for translation assistance >from these
volunteers.

This message has two purposes:

1) to ask for volunteers who can work with Neil on translating
inscriptions on matzevot. Knowledge of Hebrew primarily, and in some
cases Yiddish, Polish, Russian, and other native languages, is a
prerequisite. Volunteers should also have a copy of Excel on their
computers as the translated data will be input in the Excel template
at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/. If you would like
to help on this important project, please contact Neil at
neil@tali.com.

2) to remind volunteers who are photographing tombstones to send the
jpeg images on a CD-ROM disk to Neil if they need the inscriptions
translated. Please send the donor agreement located at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/ to Harriet Brown so that
she can add that cemetery to our tracking form and let her know that
the CD-ROM disk has been sent to Neil. After the inscriptions are
translated and the data entered on our template, Neil will forward
the completed spreadsheet to the JOWBR technical coordinator. The
address for sending the CD-ROM disks to Neil will be posted at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/ in a few days.

If you have any questions, please send them to me at jfield@jewishgen.org.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Research


Re: 1894 EIDB info #general

sallybru <sallybru@...>
 

You don't need 2 different clerks to get 2 different spellings; sometimes
one clerk might be inconsistent-my gr grandfather's citizenship
certificates have his name spelled differently on the two copies (one his,
the other kept by the court). Spelling of names depended on how they
sounded, and the sounds of foreign languages were not easy to
transliterate.

There are a several possible different reasons why the couple might have
come to the US second class rather than steerage. They might have been
wealthy enough that they could afford a cabin; they might have seen
steerage and decided to pay more (that would account for being crossed out
of steerage).

It is also possible that they found out that one had a problem which would
keep him/her >from getting through Ellis Island (or Castle Garden)
screening. Only steerage passengers went to Ellis Island; second and first
classes weren't screened as they were presumed to be able to support
themselves sick or healthy.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY


Re: No response #general

sallybru <sallybru@...>
 

Yes, it is correct that the more recent email address is most likely to
work, writing to many email addresses is no more trouble, costs no more,
and you don't know whether the new address or the old address is the
person you need. Why restrict yourself?

In addition, unlike sales where you are looking to contact the most people
in an eight hour day, in genealogy you want to contact your family-whether
it takes a day, a week, or a month. So if you have a lead (an old email
address), you want to keep trying-even if the person entered the
information a long time ago. I have written to snail mail addresses which
people have not contacted for years, in hopes of contacting that person-
sometime successfully sometimes not. If the letter is returned, I would
try looking up the name in an online directory or calling the phone
number. I have written to many people with the right surname in the right
town, hoping to hit a cousin.

For example, my grandmother was Matilda LAGUNA, born in NYC. She had some
brothers and sisters who I never knew. One time, many years ago, I wrote
to LAGUNA's in Manhattan which I found in the phonebook-hoping. I didn't
find my family, I found a nice Puerto Rican lady who answered my letter
and lots of others who didn't. But I tried.

Non-response to email is not the same as 'no one home' for a salesman.
If the account is no longer active, the email will bounce and give you a
reply that there is a 'permanant fatal error' or similar. So you will
know if that happens. If you get nothing, try phoning or something, but
the person might be the 'right one'.


Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Translation team for JOWBR(JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial #general

Joyce Field
 

I am very pleased to announce that Dr. Neil Rosenstein has agreed to
coordinate a team to translate the inscriptions on tombstones for
JewishGen's Online Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR). Neil is on the
Board of Rav-SIG, he initiated the Brody Cemetery Project with 2 other
persons, and he is the author of numerous important Jewish rabbinic
genealogical publications. He is uniquely qualified to coordinate this
project and we are grateful that he will be helping JOWBR.

This team will be of tremendous assistance to people who have been
photographing tombstones in Jewish cemeteries worldwide but are finding it
difficult to translate the inscriptions. This translation team is being
put together to answer requests for translation assistance >from these
volunteers.

This message has two purposes:

1) to ask for volunteers who can work with Neil on translating
inscriptions on matzevot. Knowledge of Hebrew primarily, and in some
cases Yiddish, Polish, Russian, and other native languages, is a
prerequisite. Volunteers should also have a copy of Excel on their
computers as the translated data will be input in the Excel template
at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/. If you would like
to help on this important project, please contact Neil at
neil@tali.com.

2) to remind volunteers who are photographing tombstones to send the
jpeg images on a CD-ROM disk to Neil if they need the inscriptions
translated. Please send the donor agreement located at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/ to Harriet Brown so that
she can add that cemetery to our tracking form and let her know that
the CD-ROM disk has been sent to Neil. After the inscriptions are
translated and the data entered on our template, Neil will forward
the completed spreadsheet to the JOWBR technical coordinator. The
address for sending the CD-ROM disks to Neil will be posted at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/ in a few days.

If you have any questions, please send them to me at jfield@jewishgen.org.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Research


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Re: 1894 EIDB info #general

sallybru <sallybru@...>
 

You don't need 2 different clerks to get 2 different spellings; sometimes
one clerk might be inconsistent-my gr grandfather's citizenship
certificates have his name spelled differently on the two copies (one his,
the other kept by the court). Spelling of names depended on how they
sounded, and the sounds of foreign languages were not easy to
transliterate.

There are a several possible different reasons why the couple might have
come to the US second class rather than steerage. They might have been
wealthy enough that they could afford a cabin; they might have seen
steerage and decided to pay more (that would account for being crossed out
of steerage).

It is also possible that they found out that one had a problem which would
keep him/her >from getting through Ellis Island (or Castle Garden)
screening. Only steerage passengers went to Ellis Island; second and first
classes weren't screened as they were presumed to be able to support
themselves sick or healthy.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: No response #general

sallybru <sallybru@...>
 

Yes, it is correct that the more recent email address is most likely to
work, writing to many email addresses is no more trouble, costs no more,
and you don't know whether the new address or the old address is the
person you need. Why restrict yourself?

In addition, unlike sales where you are looking to contact the most people
in an eight hour day, in genealogy you want to contact your family-whether
it takes a day, a week, or a month. So if you have a lead (an old email
address), you want to keep trying-even if the person entered the
information a long time ago. I have written to snail mail addresses which
people have not contacted for years, in hopes of contacting that person-
sometime successfully sometimes not. If the letter is returned, I would
try looking up the name in an online directory or calling the phone
number. I have written to many people with the right surname in the right
town, hoping to hit a cousin.

For example, my grandmother was Matilda LAGUNA, born in NYC. She had some
brothers and sisters who I never knew. One time, many years ago, I wrote
to LAGUNA's in Manhattan which I found in the phonebook-hoping. I didn't
find my family, I found a nice Puerto Rican lady who answered my letter
and lots of others who didn't. But I tried.

Non-response to email is not the same as 'no one home' for a salesman.
If the account is no longer active, the email will bounce and give you a
reply that there is a 'permanant fatal error' or similar. So you will
know if that happens. If you get nothing, try phoning or something, but
the person might be the 'right one'.


Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY


RUDNIK/LEVIN in Texas #general

Joyce Kay <joyce@...>
 

It is several years since I tried to locate the American branch of the
family. My g-parents, Boruch Moses LEVIN(E) also known as RUDNICK and
Kayle or Kate JACOBS (Daughter of Jacob SOCHART) settled in Glasgow,
Scotland.

They were married in Vilna, but probably came >from Traby. In the early
1920s a sibling and spouse who had settled in the US, came to visit them.
The story is that they bred armadillos, whose shells were used to make
ornamental baskets (these farms and baskets are indeed described on web
sites describing Texas.) If this rings a bell with anyone, or if you have
any suggestions for further research, I would be delighted to hear >from you.
Joyce Kay

Patricia A. J. Kay, Email: joyce@gordonandjoyce.com


Re: 1901 British Census: More Comments #general

Kevin Bean <Kevin@...>
 

Ron,

The main problems with the 1901 Census are caused by errors by the
transcrbers and also the enumerators.

Unless your ancestors were out of the country at the time of the Census it
is likely they are on the Census but you cannot find them.

Have you tried a search using wildcards (e.g. Surname: 'Ru*', along with
age and place of birth) ?

Kevin.

"Ron Kathren" <rkathren@tricity.WSU.edu> wrote in message


I share the frustration of David Kravitz with the 1901 British census.
Even though I have accurate knowledge of family living in Manchester in
1901, not a one appears in the census. Since his problem area also seems
to be centered on Manchester, perhaps this location is the problem. Then
again, a global search for the surname RUTSTEIN comes up negative. Yet
the family is there in the 1881 census, although they could have gone or
the surname disappeared by 1901. Methinks as does David Kravitz that the
1901 British census may be of very limited genealogical value.

Ron Kathren


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RUDNIK/LEVIN in Texas #general

Joyce Kay <joyce@...>
 

It is several years since I tried to locate the American branch of the
family. My g-parents, Boruch Moses LEVIN(E) also known as RUDNICK and
Kayle or Kate JACOBS (Daughter of Jacob SOCHART) settled in Glasgow,
Scotland.

They were married in Vilna, but probably came >from Traby. In the early
1920s a sibling and spouse who had settled in the US, came to visit them.
The story is that they bred armadillos, whose shells were used to make
ornamental baskets (these farms and baskets are indeed described on web
sites describing Texas.) If this rings a bell with anyone, or if you have
any suggestions for further research, I would be delighted to hear >from you.
Joyce Kay

Patricia A. J. Kay, Email: joyce@gordonandjoyce.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 1901 British Census: More Comments #general

Kevin Bean <Kevin@...>
 

Ron,

The main problems with the 1901 Census are caused by errors by the
transcrbers and also the enumerators.

Unless your ancestors were out of the country at the time of the Census it
is likely they are on the Census but you cannot find them.

Have you tried a search using wildcards (e.g. Surname: 'Ru*', along with
age and place of birth) ?

Kevin.

"Ron Kathren" <rkathren@tricity.WSU.edu> wrote in message


I share the frustration of David Kravitz with the 1901 British census.
Even though I have accurate knowledge of family living in Manchester in
1901, not a one appears in the census. Since his problem area also seems
to be centered on Manchester, perhaps this location is the problem. Then
again, a global search for the surname RUTSTEIN comes up negative. Yet
the family is there in the 1881 census, although they could have gone or
the surname disappeared by 1901. Methinks as does David Kravitz that the
1901 British census may be of very limited genealogical value.

Ron Kathren