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HERTZ and JAFFE rabbinic lines
#rabbinic
Tracy Fish <tsfishphotography@...>
Hello all. There are two last names I am interested in:
1. HERTZ: I am wondering if anybody has any connection or ancestral information on the paternal lineage of former Chief Rabbi of the British Empire, Joseph Herman HERTZ or advice on how to perhaps extend my research. His father Simon HERTZ is the brother to Sarah HERTZ (married WEIS) my 2XGG. 2. JAFFE: Trying to learn if my JAFFE family is connected to the Rabbi Mordecai JAFFE lineage that is documented. Seeking advice as to best methods for learning possible connections. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving holiday to those celebrating! Tracy Fish, NY & NV tsfishphotography@gmail.com Names researching: CHELMINSKI, DORINSON, FISCH, FRIEDMAN, GORDON, HERTZ, JAFFE, KAPLAN, KLEIN, LEIBOWITZ, LUNGSMAN, MARKOVSKY (MARKS), SINGER, WEGODA, WEIS
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Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic HERTZ and JAFFE rabbinic lines
#rabbinic
Tracy Fish <tsfishphotography@...>
Hello all. There are two last names I am interested in:
1. HERTZ: I am wondering if anybody has any connection or ancestral information on the paternal lineage of former Chief Rabbi of the British Empire, Joseph Herman HERTZ or advice on how to perhaps extend my research. His father Simon HERTZ is the brother to Sarah HERTZ (married WEIS) my 2XGG. 2. JAFFE: Trying to learn if my JAFFE family is connected to the Rabbi Mordecai JAFFE lineage that is documented. Seeking advice as to best methods for learning possible connections. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving holiday to those celebrating! Tracy Fish, NY & NV tsfishphotography@gmail.com Names researching: CHELMINSKI, DORINSON, FISCH, FRIEDMAN, GORDON, HERTZ, JAFFE, KAPLAN, KLEIN, LEIBOWITZ, LUNGSMAN, MARKOVSKY (MARKS), SINGER, WEGODA, WEIS
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JGSGB Sussex Group - Autumn Meeting: Wed 29 Nov
#unitedkingdom
Michael Shade
JGSGB Sussex Group - Autumn Meeting
Wednesday 29 November, 19:00-21:30 Ralli Hall, 81 Denmark Villas, Hove, East Sussex, BN3 3TH 'Volunteers, Conscripts and Conventionists - Frankensteins at War: 1914-18' Michael Shade delves into the archives to discover the widely differing wartime experiences of a dozen members of one extended family. After a break for refreshment, we'll have a brief report on local initiatives to recover the history of Sussex's Jewish community, and an Ask and Share Workshop: bring your questions and share your experience. Open to anyone interested in Jewish Family History; JGSGB Members free, non-Members £3. Ralli Hall is opposite Hove Station, no car parking on site. Local map with access information will be sent on request. If you intend coming, or have any queries, please contact me at the email address below. Michael Shade Convenor, JGSGB Sussex Group michael@michalska.net
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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom JGSGB Sussex Group - Autumn Meeting: Wed 29 Nov
#unitedkingdom
Michael Shade
JGSGB Sussex Group - Autumn Meeting
Wednesday 29 November, 19:00-21:30 Ralli Hall, 81 Denmark Villas, Hove, East Sussex, BN3 3TH 'Volunteers, Conscripts and Conventionists - Frankensteins at War: 1914-18' Michael Shade delves into the archives to discover the widely differing wartime experiences of a dozen members of one extended family. After a break for refreshment, we'll have a brief report on local initiatives to recover the history of Sussex's Jewish community, and an Ask and Share Workshop: bring your questions and share your experience. Open to anyone interested in Jewish Family History; JGSGB Members free, non-Members £3. Ralli Hall is opposite Hove Station, no car parking on site. Local map with access information will be sent on request. If you intend coming, or have any queries, please contact me at the email address below. Michael Shade Convenor, JGSGB Sussex Group michael@michalska.net
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Re: Nyitra Vital Records
#hungary
voblath4148@...
I believe this message is in plain text. Could you advise me who I
contact regarding the status of the Nyitra marriages/death records project? I am interested in assisting if translators are still required. Thank you. Valerie Oblath On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:04 PM, H-SIG digest <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote: H-SIG Digest for Tuesday, November 14, 2017.
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Nyitra Vital Records
#hungary
voblath4148@...
I believe this message is in plain text. Could you advise me who I
contact regarding the status of the Nyitra marriages/death records project? I am interested in assisting if translators are still required. Thank you. Valerie Oblath On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:04 PM, H-SIG digest <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote: H-SIG Digest for Tuesday, November 14, 2017.
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donation question
#hungary
drgoldin90@...
In appreciation for the huge upload of birth records >from the Nyitra project I would
like to make a donation. Is there a specific place to make my donation in support of the ongoing work on the marriages and deaths? Thanks for the good work and for the guidance. Marge Goldin Moderator: The best way for Marge and others to show their appreciation for H-SIG and to support our ongoing work is with a donation to the Hungarian SIG General Fund. Go to https://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=15 to make your donation on-line.
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Hungary SIG #Hungary donation question
#hungary
drgoldin90@...
In appreciation for the huge upload of birth records >from the Nyitra project I would
like to make a donation. Is there a specific place to make my donation in support of the ongoing work on the marriages and deaths? Thanks for the good work and for the guidance. Marge Goldin Moderator: The best way for Marge and others to show their appreciation for H-SIG and to support our ongoing work is with a donation to the Hungarian SIG General Fund. Go to https://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=15 to make your donation on-line.
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Muszkal Family-Romania
#romania
Lisa Muskal
Jaakob Dov Muszkal and Devora Jolan Muskal (husband-wife)
Does anyone have more information regarding this family? I believe that they were members of the Satu Mare community. While doing research on the Muszkal family in the Holocaust database, I came across these pictures. https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/memberadmin/submissionsedit.asp?Loc=A&ID=61411 https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/memberadmin/submissionsedit.asp?Loc=A&ID=61410 https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/memberadmin/submissionsedit.asp?Loc=A&ID=61380 My Father in law survived Nordenhausen and Auschwitz. His name was Shmuel Aryeh son of Yitzchok Aisik. He told us that he lived on a farm and had sheep, cows and many fields before the war. His Father died due to a bullet wound in WWI He came to USA sponsored by Muszkal family in Chicago. He settled in Cleveland Ohio with other Muszkal family. He had the picture of his "brother" Milach-Elimelech or Tzvi Hirsch Muszkal He did not look like any of his brothers or sisters. I am thinking there is another story and that it may be a cousin When doing research on Shoah database, I found the picture of Jakob Dov and Devorah Jolan Muszkal. Milach looks very much like Devora Jolan. I am hoping to gain more information regarding this family who lived in Romania at that time. Thank you. -- Lisa Muskal Cleveland Ohio USA
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Romania SIG #Romania Muszkal Family-Romania
#romania
Lisa Muskal
Jaakob Dov Muszkal and Devora Jolan Muskal (husband-wife)
Does anyone have more information regarding this family? I believe that they were members of the Satu Mare community. While doing research on the Muszkal family in the Holocaust database, I came across these pictures. https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/memberadmin/submissionsedit.asp?Loc=A&ID=61411 https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/memberadmin/submissionsedit.asp?Loc=A&ID=61410 https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/memberadmin/submissionsedit.asp?Loc=A&ID=61380 My Father in law survived Nordenhausen and Auschwitz. His name was Shmuel Aryeh son of Yitzchok Aisik. He told us that he lived on a farm and had sheep, cows and many fields before the war. His Father died due to a bullet wound in WWI He came to USA sponsored by Muszkal family in Chicago. He settled in Cleveland Ohio with other Muszkal family. He had the picture of his "brother" Milach-Elimelech or Tzvi Hirsch Muszkal He did not look like any of his brothers or sisters. I am thinking there is another story and that it may be a cousin When doing research on Shoah database, I found the picture of Jakob Dov and Devorah Jolan Muszkal. Milach looks very much like Devora Jolan. I am hoping to gain more information regarding this family who lived in Romania at that time. Thank you. -- Lisa Muskal Cleveland Ohio USA
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Kolki/VUGMAN
#ukraine
David Goldman
Hello everybody. I have discovered that a maternal great-great-grandmother
originated not in Mayaki near Odessa where her husband was an official government rabbi, but in the town of Kolki. I discovered this >from a birth record of her brother. Her parents were Ovsey (Yehoshua) and Chava VUGMAN. Chava/Eva likely had had a first husband named ELKIS who died after only a couple of years of marriage. David Goldman NYC
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Kolki/VUGMAN
#ukraine
David Goldman
Hello everybody. I have discovered that a maternal great-great-grandmother
originated not in Mayaki near Odessa where her husband was an official government rabbi, but in the town of Kolki. I discovered this >from a birth record of her brother. Her parents were Ovsey (Yehoshua) and Chava VUGMAN. Chava/Eva likely had had a first husband named ELKIS who died after only a couple of years of marriage. David Goldman NYC
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Shtetl Love Song
#lithuania
Fred Millner <flmillner@...>
I have just finished reading Shtetl Love Song, by Grigory Kanovich. I
agree 100% with Olga Zabludoff's raving review of November 18, posted on the LitvakSig Digest of that day. The book flies by. I actually wrote a note of appreciation and sent it to info@gkanovich.com, which was the only e-mail address I could find. The next day I received a phone call >from Toronto, which I picked up even though I assumed it was probably spam. It turned out to be from Dmitry Kanovich, Grigory's son, who wanted to thank me. He also asked that I publicize the book if I liked it so much. LitvakSig is the most efficient way to do this, but I can't improve on Ms. Zabludoff; I can only reinforce it. (No, I have no commercial interest in the book, either.) My Milner ancestors were registered in Jonava by the Russian authorities, but seem to have moved out by about 1870, to Troki. I still consider it the family home, and made sure I visited it in 2013, so I have a special interest in the town. Fredrick L. Millner
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Shtetl Love Song
#lithuania
Fred Millner <flmillner@...>
I have just finished reading Shtetl Love Song, by Grigory Kanovich. I
agree 100% with Olga Zabludoff's raving review of November 18, posted on the LitvakSig Digest of that day. The book flies by. I actually wrote a note of appreciation and sent it to info@gkanovich.com, which was the only e-mail address I could find. The next day I received a phone call >from Toronto, which I picked up even though I assumed it was probably spam. It turned out to be from Dmitry Kanovich, Grigory's son, who wanted to thank me. He also asked that I publicize the book if I liked it so much. LitvakSig is the most efficient way to do this, but I can't improve on Ms. Zabludoff; I can only reinforce it. (No, I have no commercial interest in the book, either.) My Milner ancestors were registered in Jonava by the Russian authorities, but seem to have moved out by about 1870, to Troki. I still consider it the family home, and made sure I visited it in 2013, so I have a special interest in the town. Fredrick L. Millner
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Re: conflicting records post
#poland
Judy Golan <judygolan@...>
Subject: Conflicting Records
From: "Settlinger" <settlinger@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 15:03:16 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 When I search on the name Frajdla Klejnman, I come up with two conflicting marriage records which I don't know how to resolve. The first record shows a Marriage in 1851 between Nussen Lustman age 18 son of Jakob Lustman and Drejzla (Surname unlisted) in Opatow record microfilm # 809164 and Frajdla Klejnman age 16 Daughter of Ejber Klejnman and Ella (Surname Unlisted). The second record shows a Marriage in 1874 in Cmielow and/or Opatow between Abram Lejbusz Szerman age 25 son of Izrael Szerman and Chana Gerlik microfilm # 1808846 and Fraydlja KLAINMAN age 20 daughter of Elbera (Surname Unlisted) and Ella Gnoch. It does not seem likely that Elbera Klainman and Ella Gnoch had two daughters named Frajdla born in 1835 and 1854. Can anyone shed light on what these records might mean? ---------- Dear Sondra, Your question is a very good one. Here's the thought process to figure out what might be the answer. 1. Were the records extracted correctly? The answer to that is yes: the parents of Frajdla in both marriage records were Ejber KLAJNMAN and Ella. Ella's surname [GNOT] is listed only in the 1874 marriage record. 2. Was one Frajda called Frajda something-else [like Frajda Ruchla]? The answer is no. In all the LUSTMAN registrations for Nusyn and Frajda, the mother is only Frajda, and the same for the SZERMAN registrations for Abram Lejb and Frajda. 3. Could there have been two different couples named "Ejber and Ella KLAJNMAN" who had daughters called Frajda? Not likely in this case: the ages of the parents Ejber and Ella for all the birth registrations are neatly sequential and there is only one set of death records for the parents, listing the same surviving children. 4. What is the story with Frajda #1 [LUSTMAN]? She was likely the Frajda KLAJMAN born in Opatow 1837 B9 [which means that she was younger than the 16 stated on her 1851 marriage record]. She died Frajda LUSTMAN in 1864 D24 at the declared age of 27. Her husband promptly married her sister Golda. 5. What is the story with Frajda #2 [SZERMAN]? Her birth @1854 was never recorded, only her 1873 marriage. 6. The death of the older daughter Frajda [LUSTMAN] preceded the deaths of her parents: Ejber died in 1869 D18, and we learn that the name of his mother was Frajda. Ela died in 1882 D24. The same surviving children are listed who also appear in birth records for the couple. In Ela's death record, the ages of the surviving children are given and include Frajda, age 28 [ie born @1854]. Given the importance of the name Frajda in Ejber's family, I suspect that whatever she was called at birth in 1854, she took on the name Frajda after her sister died in 1864, and appears in the 1874 marriage as Frajda. The only way to validate this would have been if her 1854 birth had been registered. Judy Golan JRI-Poland Opatow Town Leader
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JRI Poland #Poland Re: conflicting records post
#poland
Judy Golan <judygolan@...>
Subject: Conflicting Records
From: "Settlinger" <settlinger@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 15:03:16 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 When I search on the name Frajdla Klejnman, I come up with two conflicting marriage records which I don't know how to resolve. The first record shows a Marriage in 1851 between Nussen Lustman age 18 son of Jakob Lustman and Drejzla (Surname unlisted) in Opatow record microfilm # 809164 and Frajdla Klejnman age 16 Daughter of Ejber Klejnman and Ella (Surname Unlisted). The second record shows a Marriage in 1874 in Cmielow and/or Opatow between Abram Lejbusz Szerman age 25 son of Izrael Szerman and Chana Gerlik microfilm # 1808846 and Fraydlja KLAINMAN age 20 daughter of Elbera (Surname Unlisted) and Ella Gnoch. It does not seem likely that Elbera Klainman and Ella Gnoch had two daughters named Frajdla born in 1835 and 1854. Can anyone shed light on what these records might mean? ---------- Dear Sondra, Your question is a very good one. Here's the thought process to figure out what might be the answer. 1. Were the records extracted correctly? The answer to that is yes: the parents of Frajdla in both marriage records were Ejber KLAJNMAN and Ella. Ella's surname [GNOT] is listed only in the 1874 marriage record. 2. Was one Frajda called Frajda something-else [like Frajda Ruchla]? The answer is no. In all the LUSTMAN registrations for Nusyn and Frajda, the mother is only Frajda, and the same for the SZERMAN registrations for Abram Lejb and Frajda. 3. Could there have been two different couples named "Ejber and Ella KLAJNMAN" who had daughters called Frajda? Not likely in this case: the ages of the parents Ejber and Ella for all the birth registrations are neatly sequential and there is only one set of death records for the parents, listing the same surviving children. 4. What is the story with Frajda #1 [LUSTMAN]? She was likely the Frajda KLAJMAN born in Opatow 1837 B9 [which means that she was younger than the 16 stated on her 1851 marriage record]. She died Frajda LUSTMAN in 1864 D24 at the declared age of 27. Her husband promptly married her sister Golda. 5. What is the story with Frajda #2 [SZERMAN]? Her birth @1854 was never recorded, only her 1873 marriage. 6. The death of the older daughter Frajda [LUSTMAN] preceded the deaths of her parents: Ejber died in 1869 D18, and we learn that the name of his mother was Frajda. Ela died in 1882 D24. The same surviving children are listed who also appear in birth records for the couple. In Ela's death record, the ages of the surviving children are given and include Frajda, age 28 [ie born @1854]. Given the importance of the name Frajda in Ejber's family, I suspect that whatever she was called at birth in 1854, she took on the name Frajda after her sister died in 1864, and appears in the 1874 marriage as Frajda. The only way to validate this would have been if her 1854 birth had been registered. Judy Golan JRI-Poland Opatow Town Leader
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Translation request from Polish
#galicia
Pauline Crump <pauline@...>
Dear Siggers
I have posted 2 pages of a letter on ViewMate, at the following addresses: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM61422 http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM61423 I think that the letter confirms that my father (Jan Josef LIKIER) received Austrian Nationality when my grandfather (originally Mojzesz Aron Selig ABRAHAMER, but known as Moritz Likier, who was born in Podgorze) registered after the 1st World War. I hope that it gives a reference of this registration, but I suspect it just quotes the reference for the relevant legislation. As my father subsequently travelled to England on a stateless 'Nansen' passport, I am trying to confirm what his nationality was. If anybody can help, I would be most grateful. Pauline Crump Weymouth UK researching ABRAHAMER and LIKIER
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Translation request from Polish
#galicia
Pauline Crump <pauline@...>
Dear Siggers
I have posted 2 pages of a letter on ViewMate, at the following addresses: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM61422 http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM61423 I think that the letter confirms that my father (Jan Josef LIKIER) received Austrian Nationality when my grandfather (originally Mojzesz Aron Selig ABRAHAMER, but known as Moritz Likier, who was born in Podgorze) registered after the 1st World War. I hope that it gives a reference of this registration, but I suspect it just quotes the reference for the relevant legislation. As my father subsequently travelled to England on a stateless 'Nansen' passport, I am trying to confirm what his nationality was. If anybody can help, I would be most grateful. Pauline Crump Weymouth UK researching ABRAHAMER and LIKIER
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Marcus family from Iasi Romania
#romania
marcel glaskie <marcelg@...>
Marcus family >from Iasi Romania.
Looking for the descendants of Moshe & Tzivia Marcus. and their daughters, Seina Rosa Marcus born in Iasi in 1884. And Clara Mariam Marcus born in Iasi in 1895. Clara Aronovici nee Marcus died 1958 in Bucharest. Contact: Marcel Glaskie - >from Ra'anana, Israel marcelg@netvision.net.il
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Romania SIG #Romania Marcus family from Iasi Romania
#romania
marcel glaskie <marcelg@...>
Marcus family >from Iasi Romania.
Looking for the descendants of Moshe & Tzivia Marcus. and their daughters, Seina Rosa Marcus born in Iasi in 1884. And Clara Mariam Marcus born in Iasi in 1895. Clara Aronovici nee Marcus died 1958 in Bucharest. Contact: Marcel Glaskie - >from Ra'anana, Israel marcelg@netvision.net.il
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