Hi,

Can someone tell me about Jewish agricultural collectives in Russia or
point me to a reference?

Does anyone know about one in Karniewo, near Ciechanow/Pultusk north of Warsaw?

I've heard it an elderly relative, born near there, refer to it as an a
Jewish agricultural kibbutz.

The little I know is that there were very few Jews (< 50) and that a
relative owned a flour mill and bought/processed
grain >from local farmers.

I'm interested in both specific information about Karniewo as well as
general information about Jewish agricultural collectives.

Thanks,

Marty Meyers

Hi,

Can someone tell me about Jewish agricultural collectives in Russia or
point me to a reference?

Does anyone know about one in Karniewo, near Ciechanow/Pultusk north of Warsaw?

I've heard it an elderly relative, born near there, refer to it as an a
Jewish agricultural kibbutz.

The little I know is that there were very few Jews (< 50) and that a
relative owned a flour mill and bought/processed
grain >from local farmers.

I'm interested in both specific information about Karniewo as well as
general information about Jewish agricultural collectives.

Thanks,

Marty Meyers

In a message dated 8/8/02 7:40:56 PM, Dr. Benjamin Garber
(papaben@inr.net)writes:
<<Geography help needed: I have tracked GARBER or GARBERMAN families down
to two Ukrainian towns, SLOVECHNO and (my direct ancestors) in SLAVUTA.
I'm still researching the coordinates, Shtetlseeker and such. Plesae reply
if you know anything about SLOVECHNO and/or the GARBER or GARBERMAN
families there.>>


I know nothing of Dr. Garber's GARBER or GARBERMAN ancestors, but of
Slovechno my 1962 Columbia Lippincott gazetteer says it was (at least at time
of the gazetteer's printing) an agricultural town, which in 1926 had a
population of 2,223. It is located on the edge of the Pripet marshes, in the
north Zhitomir oblast, 32 miles north northwest of Korosten. It was known for
flax, buckwheat and potatoes.

Miriam Weiner's "Jewish Roots in Ukrainw and Moldova" shows records for
Slavuta are located in Kamenets Podolskiy and for the Slavuta Region in
Khmelnitskiy. She has no listing for Slovechno in particular.




Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

In a message dated 8/8/02 7:40:56 PM, Dr. Benjamin Garber
(papaben@inr.net)writes:
<<Geography help needed: I have tracked GARBER or GARBERMAN families down
to two Ukrainian towns, SLOVECHNO and (my direct ancestors) in SLAVUTA.
I'm still researching the coordinates, Shtetlseeker and such. Plesae reply
if you know anything about SLOVECHNO and/or the GARBER or GARBERMAN
families there.>>


I know nothing of Dr. Garber's GARBER or GARBERMAN ancestors, but of
Slovechno my 1962 Columbia Lippincott gazetteer says it was (at least at time
of the gazetteer's printing) an agricultural town, which in 1926 had a
population of 2,223. It is located on the edge of the Pripet marshes, in the
north Zhitomir oblast, 32 miles north northwest of Korosten. It was known for
flax, buckwheat and potatoes.

Miriam Weiner's "Jewish Roots in Ukrainw and Moldova" shows records for
Slavuta are located in Kamenets Podolskiy and for the Slavuta Region in
Khmelnitskiy. She has no listing for Slovechno in particular.




Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

Hello
I need some research done in the archives at Chisinau for records
pertaining to Ataki.

Does anyone know a researcher that will do the work, at a reasonable
price, or is is just as efficient to write to the archives themselves?

PLEASE RESPOND PRIVATELY: mgleiser@village.cl

Thanks in advance,
Marcos Gleiser
Santiago, Chile

Searching for GLEIZER,GLEISER,GROISSMAN, Ataki, Moldova

Hello
I need some research done in the archives at Chisinau for records
pertaining to Ataki.

Does anyone know a researcher that will do the work, at a reasonable
price, or is is just as efficient to write to the archives themselves?

PLEASE RESPOND PRIVATELY: mgleiser@village.cl

Thanks in advance,
Marcos Gleiser
Santiago, Chile

Searching for GLEIZER,GLEISER,GROISSMAN, Ataki, Moldova

Original message:

<< I was surprised to find that family members who had always said they were

from Ekaterinaslov (Dnepropetrovsk) were shown as emigrating >from there but

with a different birthplace in Russia.

Does anyone recognize this town name?

Click the link below to go directly to the scan:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/source/vm1665.html>>

I had a look at the image at Viewmate and thought it said "Russia, Balky".

So I went prowling on the internet and found this website:

http://www.personal.ceu.hu/students/97/Roman_Zakharii/map-bar.gif

It shows a map of the area around Bar, Letichev, Deraznja and other towns.

Very near and east southeast of Bar, is Balky.

If Balky is this town, then its records may be found among those
Miriam Weiner lists for Bar in her "Jewish Roots in Ukraine and Moldova."
Some of these records are located in Vinnitsa, others in Kamenets Podolskiy.


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

Original message:

<< I was surprised to find that family members who had always said they were

from Ekaterinaslov (Dnepropetrovsk) were shown as emigrating >from there but

with a different birthplace in Russia.

Does anyone recognize this town name?

Click the link below to go directly to the scan:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/source/vm1665.html>>

I had a look at the image at Viewmate and thought it said "Russia, Balky".

So I went prowling on the internet and found this website:

http://www.personal.ceu.hu/students/97/Roman_Zakharii/map-bar.gif

It shows a map of the area around Bar, Letichev, Deraznja and other towns.

Very near and east southeast of Bar, is Balky.

If Balky is this town, then its records may be found among those
Miriam Weiner lists for Bar in her "Jewish Roots in Ukraine and Moldova."
Some of these records are located in Vinnitsa, others in Kamenets Podolskiy.


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

Marion Werle brings up an interesting point in the last digest. She
mentioned that
"(I even have one record, where a relative went back for a visit to
Lithuania in the 1920's/30's, where the exact address of her sister in
Anyksciai is listed)."

How does one find departure information. My ggfather returned to Europe for
a visit and so did my grandfather. I have only seen and heard about
arrival information. Is there a place where one can find records of ship
departures >from the US in the1890's?

Bette Greenfield
Dayton, NJ
MARSCHAK, MARSHALL, SHEPSENVOL, SCHIFF, SHIFF, - Haradok, Vilna Gubernya
POLAND, Neizin
CJAJMIN, HYMAN - uncertain

Marion Werle brings up an interesting point in the last digest. She
mentioned that
"(I even have one record, where a relative went back for a visit to
Lithuania in the 1920's/30's, where the exact address of her sister in
Anyksciai is listed)."

How does one find departure information. My ggfather returned to Europe for
a visit and so did my grandfather. I have only seen and heard about
arrival information. Is there a place where one can find records of ship
departures >from the US in the1890's?

Bette Greenfield
Dayton, NJ
MARSCHAK, MARSHALL, SHEPSENVOL, SCHIFF, SHIFF, - Haradok, Vilna Gubernya
POLAND, Neizin
CJAJMIN, HYMAN - uncertain

Dear SIG members,

I would like to contact Shlomo DRORI in Israel. He was recently featured in
a documentary about the Dead Sea.
The DRORI name shows up in my GERSHENZON family lists. There just might be a
connection.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Eileen Price
Denver, CO
eileen.price@att.net

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

Dear SIG members,

I would like to contact Shlomo DRORI in Israel. He was recently featured in
a documentary about the Dead Sea.
The DRORI name shows up in my GERSHENZON family lists. There just might be a
connection.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Eileen Price
Denver, CO
eileen.price@att.net

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

Dear group,
While relaxing today, I perused the online auction listings. For sale
is a book, Yiddish Theatre and Jacob Adler. The auction has several
days yet to run.
I thought one of you might be interested in it; I'm not. The URL is (be
sure to copy the entire URL if it's split onto two lines)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&;item=1555189095

If the moderator has deleted the URL, either write me for details, or
check the well-known auction sites.

Note: By doing a keyword search for <Yiddish>, I also found a photo of
the Yiddish National Theatre in NYC available.

Regards,
Hilary Henkin
Interested in Yiddish theatre in Los Angeles and San Francisco during
the 1940-50's.


Moderator Notes:
The author, Lulla Adler Rosenfeld, has published no less than 3 books
related to the Yiddish actor Jacob P. Adler. The book referred to above
is an updated publication of the hardback book entitled "Bright Star of
Exile", Jacob Adler and the Yiddish Theater". The most recent book, "Jacob
Adler, A Life on the Stage", is Ms Rosenfeld's translation of Jacob
Adler's Memoirs.

Dear group,
While relaxing today, I perused the online auction listings. For sale
is a book, Yiddish Theatre and Jacob Adler. The auction has several
days yet to run.
I thought one of you might be interested in it; I'm not. The URL is (be
sure to copy the entire URL if it's split onto two lines)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&;item=1555189095

If the moderator has deleted the URL, either write me for details, or
check the well-known auction sites.

Note: By doing a keyword search for <Yiddish>, I also found a photo of
the Yiddish National Theatre in NYC available.

Regards,
Hilary Henkin
Interested in Yiddish theatre in Los Angeles and San Francisco during
the 1940-50's.


Moderator Notes:
The author, Lulla Adler Rosenfeld, has published no less than 3 books
related to the Yiddish actor Jacob P. Adler. The book referred to above
is an updated publication of the hardback book entitled "Bright Star of
Exile", Jacob Adler and the Yiddish Theater". The most recent book, "Jacob
Adler, A Life on the Stage", is Ms Rosenfeld's translation of Jacob
Adler's Memoirs.

Guten Abend - ich suche meine Vorfahren mit dem Namen GEBAUER, die in Lodz
wohnten. Mein Vater wurde dort geboren. Wer forscht noch nach dem Namen
Gebauer. In diesem Zusammenhang habe ich in meinem Stammbaum noch die
Namen SILING, BLUSCHKE, POLCENIUS und KULAWINSKI(A). Wer kann mir helfen?
Vielen Dank!

Sabine


Good evening - I'm looking for family-member with the name GEBAUER.
They lived in Lodz. My father was born in Lodz. Who also search people with
the surname GEBAUER? In this connection I have in my family-tree the names
SILING, BLUSCHKE, POLENCIUS and KULAWINSKI(A). Who can help me?
Thank you so much!

Sabine

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Be sure to register your surnames in the JewishGen Family Finder and to
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Guten Abend - ich suche meine Vorfahren mit dem Namen GEBAUER, die in Lodz
wohnten. Mein Vater wurde dort geboren. Wer forscht noch nach dem Namen
Gebauer. In diesem Zusammenhang habe ich in meinem Stammbaum noch die
Namen SILING, BLUSCHKE, POLCENIUS und KULAWINSKI(A). Wer kann mir helfen?
Vielen Dank!

Sabine


Good evening - I'm looking for family-member with the name GEBAUER.
They lived in Lodz. My father was born in Lodz. Who also search people with
the surname GEBAUER? In this connection I have in my family-tree the names
SILING, BLUSCHKE, POLENCIUS and KULAWINSKI(A). Who can help me?
Thank you so much!

Sabine

[MODERATOR NOTE: Please sign all posts with your full name and location.
Be sure to register your surnames in the JewishGen Family Finder and to
search for others researching your surnames:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff ]

Dear List,
In general, it isn't a great idea to ask for a roll call on lists like
this, but to get started I agree that it probably is a good idea.
Here are some of my lines - all East End London.
PHILLIPS - Joseph4, Tobias3, (also Esther4 and Benjamin Wolf3), Moses2,
Nathan1 (or Nahum or Menachem), all Levites. Moses (b. abt 1878,
London, d. 1852) and Nathen, his father, were both sofers (scribes). In
1807-1809 Nathan lived at 2 Mitre Court, Aldgate (very close to the
Great Synagogue.) Moses lived at 7 Fireball Court, Houndsditch and 8
Gravel Lane, Aldgate. Moses married Hatty JACOBS (1811, Great
Synagogue). Tobias married Hannah HARRIS (1843, Great Synagogue) &
Benjamin Wolf married Dinah LEVY(1848, Great Synagogue).
BARNETT - Rosina3, Nathan2, B.1. Nathan (b. abt 1806) lived at 16
Clifton St., St. Leonards, Shoreditch in 1851. He married Ann LYONS.
Rosina (b. 1851, Shoreditch) married Joseph PHILLIPS (1873, New
Synagogue).
SHUTER - Eleazer3, Isaac2, Michael1. Isaac (b. abt 1819, near or in
Prussia) lived at a variety of places in the East End but moved to
Camberwell, Surry by 1861. He married Hannah LESSER (1850, Great
Synagogue). Eleazer m. Esther PHILLIPS (1876, Great Synagogue).
RENOVITCH - Barnett2, Pyzer1. Barnett (b. about 1859, possibly in
Vilkaviskis, now Lithuania, d. 1920) moved to London before 1881 and
was on the 1891 census as Barnett GOLDSTEIN at 52 Gower's Walk,
Goodman's Fields, Whitechapel where he lived for many years. His
children attended the Jews' Free School. In about 1920 most of his
children changed their name >from RENOVITCH to GOULD.
KING - Eva3, Jacob2, Samuel1. Jacob (b. abt 1837, Poland or Russia)
lived for decades at 10 Coxs Square, Spitalfields. Eva (b. 1860,
Whitechapel) married Barnett RENOVITCH (1881, Princes St. Synagogue).
FRIEND - Morris2, Samuel1. Morris (b. about 1840, Hungary) moved to
London before 1867 and lived in places too numerous to mention in
Spitalfields, Bethnal Green & Shoreditch. His children also attended
the Jews' Free School.
LEVY - Rachel3, Benjamin2, Abraham?1. Benjamin (b. abt 1815) immigrated
to London >from Fraustadt (Posen) in abt 1836. He was a furrier and
eventually became reasonably wealthy. His wife was Rosa MANDOLA (b. abt
1821, Germany). Rachel (b. 1849, 8 Three Tun Alley, Whitechapel)
married Morris FRIEND (1867, Great Synagogue).
Whew! I could keep going but this is enough - probably too much for
most people. I also have HARRIS, LYONS, LESER, JACOBS, HART, more
LEVYs, and WOOLF further back in my tree - all living in or moving to
London.
Get in touch if any are familiar,
Jocelyn Keene
Pasadena, California

Dear List,
In general, it isn't a great idea to ask for a roll call on lists like
this, but to get started I agree that it probably is a good idea.
Here are some of my lines - all East End London.
PHILLIPS - Joseph4, Tobias3, (also Esther4 and Benjamin Wolf3), Moses2,
Nathan1 (or Nahum or Menachem), all Levites. Moses (b. abt 1878,
London, d. 1852) and Nathen, his father, were both sofers (scribes). In
1807-1809 Nathan lived at 2 Mitre Court, Aldgate (very close to the
Great Synagogue.) Moses lived at 7 Fireball Court, Houndsditch and 8
Gravel Lane, Aldgate. Moses married Hatty JACOBS (1811, Great
Synagogue). Tobias married Hannah HARRIS (1843, Great Synagogue) &
Benjamin Wolf married Dinah LEVY(1848, Great Synagogue).
BARNETT - Rosina3, Nathan2, B.1. Nathan (b. abt 1806) lived at 16
Clifton St., St. Leonards, Shoreditch in 1851. He married Ann LYONS.
Rosina (b. 1851, Shoreditch) married Joseph PHILLIPS (1873, New
Synagogue).
SHUTER - Eleazer3, Isaac2, Michael1. Isaac (b. abt 1819, near or in
Prussia) lived at a variety of places in the East End but moved to
Camberwell, Surry by 1861. He married Hannah LESSER (1850, Great
Synagogue). Eleazer m. Esther PHILLIPS (1876, Great Synagogue).
RENOVITCH - Barnett2, Pyzer1. Barnett (b. about 1859, possibly in
Vilkaviskis, now Lithuania, d. 1920) moved to London before 1881 and
was on the 1891 census as Barnett GOLDSTEIN at 52 Gower's Walk,
Goodman's Fields, Whitechapel where he lived for many years. His
children attended the Jews' Free School. In about 1920 most of his
children changed their name >from RENOVITCH to GOULD.
KING - Eva3, Jacob2, Samuel1. Jacob (b. abt 1837, Poland or Russia)
lived for decades at 10 Coxs Square, Spitalfields. Eva (b. 1860,
Whitechapel) married Barnett RENOVITCH (1881, Princes St. Synagogue).
FRIEND - Morris2, Samuel1. Morris (b. about 1840, Hungary) moved to
London before 1867 and lived in places too numerous to mention in
Spitalfields, Bethnal Green & Shoreditch. His children also attended
the Jews' Free School.
LEVY - Rachel3, Benjamin2, Abraham?1. Benjamin (b. abt 1815) immigrated
to London >from Fraustadt (Posen) in abt 1836. He was a furrier and
eventually became reasonably wealthy. His wife was Rosa MANDOLA (b. abt
1821, Germany). Rachel (b. 1849, 8 Three Tun Alley, Whitechapel)
married Morris FRIEND (1867, Great Synagogue).
Whew! I could keep going but this is enough - probably too much for
most people. I also have HARRIS, LYONS, LESER, JACOBS, HART, more
LEVYs, and WOOLF further back in my tree - all living in or moving to
London.
Get in touch if any are familiar,
Jocelyn Keene
Pasadena, California

We had an excellent RomSig meeting at the Conference. The more than
40 attendees heard Bruce Reisch give an interesting talk focusing on
Bukovina, Romania and Ukraine. Judi Garfinkel spoke about her recent
trip to Romania. The family spent a few days in Sighisoara where they
met the only surviving Jew--a 92 year old man who was the caretaker of
a surviving synagogue! They then journeyed to Iasi. Several thousand Jews
were murdered in 1941 and thousands of others transported to a camp
in Transnistra. Currently about 500 Jews live in Iasi--the pre-WWII
population was over 32,000.

Some people wondered why we had nothing about Moldova. No one offered
to make a presentation. It is not too early to think about programs
for the 2003 Conference in Washington, D.C.

Thanks to Bruce and Judi and to Merle Kastner who presented an
explanation of where we stand with the Gyemant material.

Paula Zieselman
Co-coordinator

We had an excellent RomSig meeting at the Conference. The more than
40 attendees heard Bruce Reisch give an interesting talk focusing on
Bukovina, Romania and Ukraine. Judi Garfinkel spoke about her recent
trip to Romania. The family spent a few days in Sighisoara where they
met the only surviving Jew--a 92 year old man who was the caretaker of
a surviving synagogue! They then journeyed to Iasi. Several thousand Jews
were murdered in 1941 and thousands of others transported to a camp
in Transnistra. Currently about 500 Jews live in Iasi--the pre-WWII
population was over 32,000.

Some people wondered why we had nothing about Moldova. No one offered
to make a presentation. It is not too early to think about programs
for the 2003 Conference in Washington, D.C.

Thanks to Bruce and Judi and to Merle Kastner who presented an
explanation of where we stand with the Gyemant material.

Paula Zieselman
Co-coordinator