John G. Cakars deserves a huge pat on the back for going to such trouble for the enquiry about "Corcisco"! Hats off to you, John, for a thorough job carefully done!

Martha

John G. Cakars deserves a huge pat on the back for going to such trouble for the enquiry about "Corcisco"! Hats off to you, John, for a thorough job carefully done!

Martha

The August 9, 2002, Weekly Digest >from the Belarus Embassy in Washington DC
contained the following:

Vitebsk region KGB office has presented a personal file on Marc Chagall's
sister to the Museum of the painter. The personal file on Mariaska Chagall
was started by the Temporary Extraordinary Committee (the terms used for
criminal police after the October 1917 revolution in Russia) after she was
employed to work as a post censor in the military. The personal file of
Chagall's younger sister contains some data on the life of the Chagall's in
1920-1921 in Vitebsk.=A0

The files confirmed some well-known facts of the painter=B9s life and reveale=
d
some new ones. For instance, the file materials made it possible to
determine the exact dates of birth of the father of Marc Chagall and that
his father was married twice, to two sisters consequently (according to
Jewish tradition, after the wife dies the widower would marry her sister).

To subscribe to the email Weekly Digest go to:
http://www.belarusembassy.org/

Dave
--=20
David Fox
Mail to: davefox@jewishgen.org
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus

The August 9, 2002, Weekly Digest >from the Belarus Embassy in Washington DC
contained the following:

Vitebsk region KGB office has presented a personal file on Marc Chagall's
sister to the Museum of the painter. The personal file on Mariaska Chagall
was started by the Temporary Extraordinary Committee (the terms used for
criminal police after the October 1917 revolution in Russia) after she was
employed to work as a post censor in the military. The personal file of
Chagall's younger sister contains some data on the life of the Chagall's in
1920-1921 in Vitebsk.=A0

The files confirmed some well-known facts of the painter=B9s life and reveale=
d
some new ones. For instance, the file materials made it possible to
determine the exact dates of birth of the father of Marc Chagall and that
his father was married twice, to two sisters consequently (according to
Jewish tradition, after the wife dies the widower would marry her sister).

To subscribe to the email Weekly Digest go to:
http://www.belarusembassy.org/

Dave
--=20
David Fox
Mail to: davefox@jewishgen.org
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus

For what it's worth, the later ship manifists do include the town of origin,
although the spelling may have many variants. My gm's 1899 manifest (and
anything later than that) includes the exact town of origin. Some later
manifests include town of birth as well as town of last residence, and will
even give the town of the nearest relative in the Old Country (I even have
one record, where a relative went back for a visit to Lithuania in the
1920's/30's, where the exact address of her sister in Anyksciai is listed).
The steamship forms were revised periodically, and included additional
information with each revision. The earlier manifests aren't always
specific.

Census records tend to be very generic, and "Russia" is very common.
Occasionally you will see the name of the province. Also, many people just
gave the name of the nearest big city in some records (SS-5, marriage
licenses, death certificates), rather than the specific town, e.g., Kovno
instead of Mosedis, Dvinsk instead of Ribinishki, Grodno instad of Kossovo
(I had to include one example >from Belarus!).

Marion Werle
<werle@linkline.com>

For what it's worth, the later ship manifists do include the town of origin,
although the spelling may have many variants. My gm's 1899 manifest (and
anything later than that) includes the exact town of origin. Some later
manifests include town of birth as well as town of last residence, and will
even give the town of the nearest relative in the Old Country (I even have
one record, where a relative went back for a visit to Lithuania in the
1920's/30's, where the exact address of her sister in Anyksciai is listed).
The steamship forms were revised periodically, and included additional
information with each revision. The earlier manifests aren't always
specific.

Census records tend to be very generic, and "Russia" is very common.
Occasionally you will see the name of the province. Also, many people just
gave the name of the nearest big city in some records (SS-5, marriage
licenses, death certificates), rather than the specific town, e.g., Kovno
instead of Mosedis, Dvinsk instead of Ribinishki, Grodno instad of Kossovo
(I had to include one example >from Belarus!).

Marion Werle
<werle@linkline.com>

Genners,

In response to Bette Greenfield's query concerning the non-listing of place
of origin for emigrants, two things come to mind, although all speculation.

First, the ship's personnel (no matter port of departure) would have found it
difficult to communicate with the passengers. Secondly, I would think that
the city or province of origin may not have mattered to anyone involved.

Regards,

Ty Henken
Centennial, Colo.
Henken9@aol.com

Genners,

In response to Bette Greenfield's query concerning the non-listing of place
of origin for emigrants, two things come to mind, although all speculation.

First, the ship's personnel (no matter port of departure) would have found it
difficult to communicate with the passengers. Secondly, I would think that
the city or province of origin may not have mattered to anyone involved.

Regards,

Ty Henken
Centennial, Colo.
Henken9@aol.com

In a message dated 8/9/2002 3:26:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
marife@mindspring.com writes:

<< My grandmother's daughters all swear that their mother's name was Eta
Milgrom.

However, on Ellis Island she is listed as Mariemlte Milgram. I am
certain she is one and the same person because she was coming to Atlanta,
Georgia to marry my grandfather and Atlanta is where it said she was coming
on the Ship Manifest. Does anybody have any knowledge about this strange
name change? Who should I trust, my aunts or Ellis Island.? >>

==That's an easy one. The name was incorrrectly transcribed and almost
certainly was Mariette. Mariette would be called Etta by friends and family.

==Fellow-genner Edward Rosenbaum, < erosenbaum@yahoo.com > in his
presentation at the jewishgenealogy conference in Toronto on Wednesday
mentioned a shareware program that will generate all likely variations
based on mistranscriptions. This is combined with the American Soundex
system and the Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex system,
and thus allows you to access the names on most major
genealogy databases with just one click.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@aol.com>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER

In a message dated 8/9/2002 3:26:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
marife@mindspring.com writes:

<< My grandmother's daughters all swear that their mother's name was Eta
Milgrom.

However, on Ellis Island she is listed as Mariemlte Milgram. I am
certain she is one and the same person because she was coming to Atlanta,
Georgia to marry my grandfather and Atlanta is where it said she was coming
on the Ship Manifest. Does anybody have any knowledge about this strange
name change? Who should I trust, my aunts or Ellis Island.? >>

==That's an easy one. The name was incorrrectly transcribed and almost
certainly was Mariette. Mariette would be called Etta by friends and family.

==Fellow-genner Edward Rosenbaum, < erosenbaum@yahoo.com > in his
presentation at the jewishgenealogy conference in Toronto on Wednesday
mentioned a shareware program that will generate all likely variations
based on mistranscriptions. This is combined with the American Soundex
system and the Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex system,
and thus allows you to access the names on most major
genealogy databases with just one click.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@aol.com>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER

Hello Everybody,

If GDUD is a contraction of GEDULD, I believe that the translation of
this German word would be patience or tolerance.

Charles Mahler
Looking for: MAHLER, MARGULIES, LICHTMANN, INTRATOR.

Hello Everybody,

If GDUD is a contraction of GEDULD, I believe that the translation of
this German word would be patience or tolerance.

Charles Mahler
Looking for: MAHLER, MARGULIES, LICHTMANN, INTRATOR.

I have been searching for my husband's grandfather on the EIDB since it was
put on the web and had been unsuccessful. I recently used Stephen Morse's
site using the Jewish search. I put in only first letter of first name and
first letter of last name along with ethic origin. I also knew his
residence and input it. I found several names to try, but none worked.
Finally found a Mase Kranz. I wanted Morris Kern. I pictured how he, being
Austria, might have pronounced his name and lo and behold it was him. Keep
trying. I am thrilled.

Linda Kern
lkern1@ix.netcom.com
Searching: Kern, Baumritter, Tarshis, Zarankin, Roman, Rachmales -Rachmelis

I have been searching for my husband's grandfather on the EIDB since it was
put on the web and had been unsuccessful. I recently used Stephen Morse's
site using the Jewish search. I put in only first letter of first name and
first letter of last name along with ethic origin. I also knew his
residence and input it. I found several names to try, but none worked.
Finally found a Mase Kranz. I wanted Morris Kern. I pictured how he, being
Austria, might have pronounced his name and lo and behold it was him. Keep
trying. I am thrilled.

Linda Kern
lkern1@ix.netcom.com
Searching: Kern, Baumritter, Tarshis, Zarankin, Roman, Rachmales -Rachmelis

Hi Listers,

having been a lurker for a few days, I thought I would post a query of my
own.

My ancestors came to the UK in the early 1800's, but I am having problems
finding Vaz Martinez names, A Martin search throws up a lot of hits.

In amongst the Martins is an occupation "Wholesale slopseller" which sounds
fun!

Does anyone know exactly what that was?

Regards

Keith Martin

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Hi Listers,

having been a lurker for a few days, I thought I would post a query of my
own.

My ancestors came to the UK in the early 1800's, but I am having problems
finding Vaz Martinez names, A Martin search throws up a lot of hits.

In amongst the Martins is an occupation "Wholesale slopseller" which sounds
fun!

Does anyone know exactly what that was?

Regards

Keith Martin

MODERATOR NOTE:
You may be able to find more specific information
on UK matters by subscribing to the UK-based
SIG List JCR-UK.
Information available at
http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs.htm

Can anyone tell me how to search for French Naturalization records

TIA

Aubrey Jacobus
--
Check my Genealogical webpage
www.mjacobus.freeserve.co.uk
Please use
aubrey@jacobus.org for replies

Can anyone tell me how to search for French Naturalization records

TIA

Aubrey Jacobus
--
Check my Genealogical webpage
www.mjacobus.freeserve.co.uk
Please use
aubrey@jacobus.org for replies

This is a question that I've been wondering about.
Since I began reading about Jewish life
in Eastern Europe. The word komisar and variations
of it come up.
I don't believe it's an english word.

I think it maybe russian but I am not sure.
Can someone tell me what it means?

My grandmother's maiden name was Komisar and her father
was >from Slutsk. He spoke fluent Russian, Yiddish, and English.

I was wondering how his last name could be related to the meaning of that word.

Hope someone can help.

Jennifer Saslafsky
iffersas7@aol.com
Hamden, CT USA

KOMISAR, SASLAFSKY, BERNSTEIN, BAROFSKY,
MARETSKY, MYERS, MERRITT, MATIKA

This is a question that I've been wondering about.
Since I began reading about Jewish life
in Eastern Europe. The word komisar and variations
of it come up.
I don't believe it's an english word.

I think it maybe russian but I am not sure.
Can someone tell me what it means?

My grandmother's maiden name was Komisar and her father
was >from Slutsk. He spoke fluent Russian, Yiddish, and English.

I was wondering how his last name could be related to the meaning of that word.

Hope someone can help.

Jennifer Saslafsky
iffersas7@aol.com
Hamden, CT USA

KOMISAR, SASLAFSKY, BERNSTEIN, BAROFSKY,
MARETSKY, MYERS, MERRITT, MATIKA