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Can Blima be Roiza ? (Galtizia 1900) #general

Alberto Guido Chester
 

My aunt Blima Schechter >from Rohatyn, Galitzia born about 1910 might
show in a primary school list as Rozia.

Is there a possible connection between these two names ?

Thanks in advance.

Alberto Guido Chester
Buenos Aires, Argentina


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Can Blima be Roiza ? (Galtizia 1900) #general

Alberto Guido Chester
 

My aunt Blima Schechter >from Rohatyn, Galitzia born about 1910 might
show in a primary school list as Rozia.

Is there a possible connection between these two names ?

Thanks in advance.

Alberto Guido Chester
Buenos Aires, Argentina


Opinheim in Brest-Litovsk #belarus

Roberta Berman <rbrta@...>
 

My gr-grandfather, Yitzhak Opinheim, was born in Brest-Litovsk, Belarus
about 1825. He was chosen by the tsar for the army and discharged in
Kiev about 1865. He was married in Kiev and had two children and died
in Kiev.
I have no knowledge of his parents, possible siblings or other family in
Brest-Litovsk.

Are there records besides the ones on the Belarus SIG site? Would a
researcher in Brest be of help? If so, can you recommend one?
Any help on where to search will be greatly appreciated.

Roberta Berman
Western U.S.
rbrta@twc.com
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information and researcher recommendations should be sent privately.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Opinheim in Brest-Litovsk #belarus

Roberta Berman <rbrta@...>
 

My gr-grandfather, Yitzhak Opinheim, was born in Brest-Litovsk, Belarus
about 1825. He was chosen by the tsar for the army and discharged in
Kiev about 1865. He was married in Kiev and had two children and died
in Kiev.
I have no knowledge of his parents, possible siblings or other family in
Brest-Litovsk.

Are there records besides the ones on the Belarus SIG site? Would a
researcher in Brest be of help? If so, can you recommend one?
Any help on where to search will be greatly appreciated.

Roberta Berman
Western U.S.
rbrta@twc.com
MODERATOR NOTE: General information may be posted to the list. Specific family
information and researcher recommendations should be sent privately.


Romania and the Holocaust at OURPASSPORTS.COM #romania

Daniel Horowitz
 

Edgar Hauster wrote in the CZERNOWITZ-L:

Neil Kaplan >from Israel, a new member of our List, has been collecting
old passports & documents for over 20 years. With a family connection
to the Holocaust, his interest in the Second World War has been a part
of him ever since he was at school. In this context, please let me
draw your attention to Neil's thoroughly designed website and
particularly to his article "Romania and the Holocaust":
http://ourpassports.com/romania-and-the-holocaust/
You'll have the opportunity to admire unique documents, such as a
travel permit issued to Dr. Leo Neuberger allowing him travel on route
from Czernowitz to Bucharest and additionally a passport stamped and
signed by Samuel Del Campo, who, as you all know, was recognized as
Righteous Among the Nations by the State of Israel in 2017.

Best regards
Daniel Horowitz
Daniel@microtarget.com


Romania SIG #Romania Romania and the Holocaust at OURPASSPORTS.COM #romania

Daniel Horowitz
 

Edgar Hauster wrote in the CZERNOWITZ-L:

Neil Kaplan >from Israel, a new member of our List, has been collecting
old passports & documents for over 20 years. With a family connection
to the Holocaust, his interest in the Second World War has been a part
of him ever since he was at school. In this context, please let me
draw your attention to Neil's thoroughly designed website and
particularly to his article "Romania and the Holocaust":
http://ourpassports.com/romania-and-the-holocaust/
You'll have the opportunity to admire unique documents, such as a
travel permit issued to Dr. Leo Neuberger allowing him travel on route
from Czernowitz to Bucharest and additionally a passport stamped and
signed by Samuel Del Campo, who, as you all know, was recognized as
Righteous Among the Nations by the State of Israel in 2017.

Best regards
Daniel Horowitz
Daniel@microtarget.com


Help with a 1912 Warsaw marriage record #general

Allen Kurtz
 

I am hoping to receive some advice in understanding a 1912 marriage
record >from Warsaw. The record has been indexed on JRI-Poland so I
know the name of the bride and groom, names of parents, etc. The
signatures of the bride and groom are clearly written on the bottom.
But I am frustrated in trying to understand the rest of the license,
to the point that I cannot even make out the name of the bride, groom,
parents, etc., in the heart of the document.

I don't have the same problem when looking at a document from, for
say, 1835. Names are clear, etc. Their are excellent templates on a
familysearch Wiki to help.

But nothing similar seems to exist for later records (the familysearch
wiki is of no help).

I would assume that 1912 vital records are in Polish. It is definitely
not in Cyrillic. I don't think it is in German. Am I correct that
Warsaw records circa 1912 are in Polish?

Why can't I make out names?

Any help in pointing me in the right direction would be greatly
appreciated and thanks in advance to all the helpful family historians
and genealogists in the community.

Allen Kurtz
Mahopac, NY USA

MODERATOR NOTE: You might consider uploading your document to ViewMate and
asking for help through the ViewMate system


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help with a 1912 Warsaw marriage record #general

Allen Kurtz
 

I am hoping to receive some advice in understanding a 1912 marriage
record >from Warsaw. The record has been indexed on JRI-Poland so I
know the name of the bride and groom, names of parents, etc. The
signatures of the bride and groom are clearly written on the bottom.
But I am frustrated in trying to understand the rest of the license,
to the point that I cannot even make out the name of the bride, groom,
parents, etc., in the heart of the document.

I don't have the same problem when looking at a document from, for
say, 1835. Names are clear, etc. Their are excellent templates on a
familysearch Wiki to help.

But nothing similar seems to exist for later records (the familysearch
wiki is of no help).

I would assume that 1912 vital records are in Polish. It is definitely
not in Cyrillic. I don't think it is in German. Am I correct that
Warsaw records circa 1912 are in Polish?

Why can't I make out names?

Any help in pointing me in the right direction would be greatly
appreciated and thanks in advance to all the helpful family historians
and genealogists in the community.

Allen Kurtz
Mahopac, NY USA

MODERATOR NOTE: You might consider uploading your document to ViewMate and
asking for help through the ViewMate system


Re: INTRO and Kitchener Camp for male Jewish refugees in Sandwich, Kent, England #germany

Barbara Algaze
 

To get hints about doing research on specific towns in Western Europe, check
out the Jewish Gen Kehilalinks at:
https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/W_Europe.html
Eli Rabinowitz has done a remarkable job of collecting information, data,
and links for Berlin, Germany. Check out "Research Tips and Links" on his
webpage.

You can also find additional information about the British Isles at the
Kehilalink of:
https://www.jewishgen.org/JCR-UK/

Barbara Algaze, Los Angeles, California Algaze3@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
I am >from the USA, the daughter of a holocaust survivor >from Berlin
Germany. My mother and her family survived in hiding in Berlin from
approximately late 1942 or early 1943 until May 1945 when the Russians
liberated Berlin. They emigrated to the US in 1947.


German SIG #Germany Re: INTRO and Kitchener Camp for male Jewish refugees in Sandwich, Kent, England #germany

Barbara Algaze
 

To get hints about doing research on specific towns in Western Europe, check
out the Jewish Gen Kehilalinks at:
https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/W_Europe.html
Eli Rabinowitz has done a remarkable job of collecting information, data,
and links for Berlin, Germany. Check out "Research Tips and Links" on his
webpage.

You can also find additional information about the British Isles at the
Kehilalink of:
https://www.jewishgen.org/JCR-UK/

Barbara Algaze, Los Angeles, California Algaze3@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
I am >from the USA, the daughter of a holocaust survivor >from Berlin
Germany. My mother and her family survived in hiding in Berlin from
approximately late 1942 or early 1943 until May 1945 when the Russians
liberated Berlin. They emigrated to the US in 1947.


Re: Early Jewish spoken language near the Rhine [including comments from Berthold Rosenthal] #germany

Eva Lawrence
 

I've had some interesting and interested responses to my request for
early secular Jewish writing >from Western Europe.

The area I was thinking of were the lands either side of the River Rhine,
where Jews were known to have lived for about 1000 years, probably having
arrived with Roman invaders. I thought it counter-intuitive that they
should speak a different language >from their neighbours for so many
generations, and have now found my theory vindicated by the late
Berthold Rosenthal, (1875-1957), a teacher of religion in pre-war
Germany who emigrated in 1939.

Berthold Rosenthal transcribed - not translated - a collection of
letters of two Jewish brothers, Hillel and Hirz Weil >from Otterstadt, a
village near Speyer, who joined Napoleon's army as it drove eastward
between 1812 and 1813 . The exchange of letters with wives and their
father at home was in cursive Hebrew script. But Rosenthal's
transcription shows that the language was in fact the local German,
though with the inclusion of Hebrew words, just as one might use a
foreign term such a 'savoir-faire' or 'schadenfreude' when writing
English.

To quote Berthold Rosenthal's introduction (my translation):

^What emerges most impressively is that the dialect is a sub-group of
the German language and not the exotic phenomenon which some
researchers make Jewish-German out to be. *

The conventional view of Yiddish which Rosenthal decries was , in my
opinion, encouraged in the 20th century by the NS to present German Jews
as 'other' in the popular mind, but is now a pervasive factoid,
repeated regularly by both Gentile and Jewish historians who cannot
read cursive Hebrew script/do not read German.

People like the Weil family used cursive Hebrew to communicate in their
normal local German dialect, but these primary sources are closed to
researchers without both sets of language skills. It was such a German
expert's restating of the conventional 'historical fact' that Jews
'spoke and wrote Yiddish' which started me on this exploration.

The letters in transcription are held at the Leo Baek Institute under
the title 'Hinter der grossen Armee' and reproduced in the publication
of the Vorlag Pfalzer Post, ' Pfaelzisches Judentum gestern und heute '
edited by Alfred Hans Kuby. I have a tattered copy and am happy to send
scans of (German-language) extracts to Gersiggers who wish to check for
themselves.

I must add that my evidence is confined to the Jews of the Rhine Valley,
whose history differs >from that in other parts of Europe However,
the conclusions may well apply much more widely. So, for instance, I've
yet to examine the Tagebuch of Glickl von Hammelen >from Hamburg, which
people have recommended to me.

Eva Lawrence, St Albans, UK. eva.lawrence@idnet.com


German SIG #Germany Re: Early Jewish spoken language near the Rhine [including comments from Berthold Rosenthal] #germany

Eva Lawrence
 

I've had some interesting and interested responses to my request for
early secular Jewish writing >from Western Europe.

The area I was thinking of were the lands either side of the River Rhine,
where Jews were known to have lived for about 1000 years, probably having
arrived with Roman invaders. I thought it counter-intuitive that they
should speak a different language >from their neighbours for so many
generations, and have now found my theory vindicated by the late
Berthold Rosenthal, (1875-1957), a teacher of religion in pre-war
Germany who emigrated in 1939.

Berthold Rosenthal transcribed - not translated - a collection of
letters of two Jewish brothers, Hillel and Hirz Weil >from Otterstadt, a
village near Speyer, who joined Napoleon's army as it drove eastward
between 1812 and 1813 . The exchange of letters with wives and their
father at home was in cursive Hebrew script. But Rosenthal's
transcription shows that the language was in fact the local German,
though with the inclusion of Hebrew words, just as one might use a
foreign term such a 'savoir-faire' or 'schadenfreude' when writing
English.

To quote Berthold Rosenthal's introduction (my translation):

^What emerges most impressively is that the dialect is a sub-group of
the German language and not the exotic phenomenon which some
researchers make Jewish-German out to be. *

The conventional view of Yiddish which Rosenthal decries was , in my
opinion, encouraged in the 20th century by the NS to present German Jews
as 'other' in the popular mind, but is now a pervasive factoid,
repeated regularly by both Gentile and Jewish historians who cannot
read cursive Hebrew script/do not read German.

People like the Weil family used cursive Hebrew to communicate in their
normal local German dialect, but these primary sources are closed to
researchers without both sets of language skills. It was such a German
expert's restating of the conventional 'historical fact' that Jews
'spoke and wrote Yiddish' which started me on this exploration.

The letters in transcription are held at the Leo Baek Institute under
the title 'Hinter der grossen Armee' and reproduced in the publication
of the Vorlag Pfalzer Post, ' Pfaelzisches Judentum gestern und heute '
edited by Alfred Hans Kuby. I have a tattered copy and am happy to send
scans of (German-language) extracts to Gersiggers who wish to check for
themselves.

I must add that my evidence is confined to the Jews of the Rhine Valley,
whose history differs >from that in other parts of Europe However,
the conclusions may well apply much more widely. So, for instance, I've
yet to examine the Tagebuch of Glickl von Hammelen >from Hamburg, which
people have recommended to me.

Eva Lawrence, St Albans, UK. eva.lawrence@idnet.com


JGS of Maryland Jan 28 program #general

Susan Steeble
 

Jewish Genealogy Society of Maryland
Speaker: W. Todd Knowles
Title: "Making the Most of FamilySearch for Jewish Research"
Date and Time: Sunday, January 28, 2018, 1:30 p.m.
Location: Pikesville Library's meeting room, 1301 Reisterstown Rd,
Pikesville, MD

The FamilySearch web site (www.familysearch.org) holds the records of
over 6 billion people worldwide, making it the largest collection of
free family trees, genealogy records, and resources in the world. In
this presentation, Todd will guide us through the FamilySearch web
site, with an emphasis on finding our Jewish families. We will also
learn how to use the Knowles Collection, six databases that contain
the records of over 1.4 million Jewish people. These databases are:
"The Jews of the British Isles," "The Jews of Europe," "The Jews of
North America," "The Jews of South America and Caribbean," "The Jews
of the Pacific Islands," and "The Jews of Africa, Middle East and the
Orient." Todd will show us how to access the collection and how best
to apply it to our own family research.

W. Todd Knowles, Accredited Genealogist, is a member of the
International Patron Services team at the Family History Library in
Salt lake City, UT. After being introduced to family history at the
age of 12, he soon discovered his Jewish roots. The journey to find
these Polish Jews has led to the creation of the Knowles Collection
(knowlescollection.blogspot.com), which grows almost daily and is now
part of FamilySearch.org. Todd has spoken throughout the world, and
his articles have been widely published.

The program is free for paid members and $5 for non-members (applied
to membership fee when a visitor joins JGSMD) after their first
meeting. Refreshments will be available. Please check our web site at
www.jgsmd.org for late updates and for the time, location, and program
of future meetings.

Susan Steeble
Baltimore, MD
JGSMD Public Relations


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Maryland Jan 28 program #general

Susan Steeble
 

Jewish Genealogy Society of Maryland
Speaker: W. Todd Knowles
Title: "Making the Most of FamilySearch for Jewish Research"
Date and Time: Sunday, January 28, 2018, 1:30 p.m.
Location: Pikesville Library's meeting room, 1301 Reisterstown Rd,
Pikesville, MD

The FamilySearch web site (www.familysearch.org) holds the records of
over 6 billion people worldwide, making it the largest collection of
free family trees, genealogy records, and resources in the world. In
this presentation, Todd will guide us through the FamilySearch web
site, with an emphasis on finding our Jewish families. We will also
learn how to use the Knowles Collection, six databases that contain
the records of over 1.4 million Jewish people. These databases are:
"The Jews of the British Isles," "The Jews of Europe," "The Jews of
North America," "The Jews of South America and Caribbean," "The Jews
of the Pacific Islands," and "The Jews of Africa, Middle East and the
Orient." Todd will show us how to access the collection and how best
to apply it to our own family research.

W. Todd Knowles, Accredited Genealogist, is a member of the
International Patron Services team at the Family History Library in
Salt lake City, UT. After being introduced to family history at the
age of 12, he soon discovered his Jewish roots. The journey to find
these Polish Jews has led to the creation of the Knowles Collection
(knowlescollection.blogspot.com), which grows almost daily and is now
part of FamilySearch.org. Todd has spoken throughout the world, and
his articles have been widely published.

The program is free for paid members and $5 for non-members (applied
to membership fee when a visitor joins JGSMD) after their first
meeting. Refreshments will be available. Please check our web site at
www.jgsmd.org for late updates and for the time, location, and program
of future meetings.

Susan Steeble
Baltimore, MD
JGSMD Public Relations


Location of Fridrikhshtat/Frydrikhshtat #lithuania

RUSSELL PROPST <rmpropst@...>
 

The JewishGen Communities Database has a couple of possibilities
for Fridrikhshtat/Frydrikhshtat:

Jaunjelgava, Latvia
Friedrichstadt, Germany

Deborra Wood
York, South Carolina, USA
Researching:
BARRET, BITER/BYETER, HOCK, JACOBS, SCHINGLEDECKER >from
Seduva?, Lithuania and South Africa
BLECHMAN >from Telsiai (district), Lithuania
FRIEDLANDER >from Baisogala, Lithuania; Seduva?, Lithuania;
and South Africa


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Location of Fridrikhshtat/Frydrikhshtat #lithuania

RUSSELL PROPST <rmpropst@...>
 

The JewishGen Communities Database has a couple of possibilities
for Fridrikhshtat/Frydrikhshtat:

Jaunjelgava, Latvia
Friedrichstadt, Germany

Deborra Wood
York, South Carolina, USA
Researching:
BARRET, BITER/BYETER, HOCK, JACOBS, SCHINGLEDECKER >from
Seduva?, Lithuania and South Africa
BLECHMAN >from Telsiai (district), Lithuania
FRIEDLANDER >from Baisogala, Lithuania; Seduva?, Lithuania;
and South Africa


ViewMate Files VM63824/63825/63826 #poland

MALCOLM COURTNEY <malcolm.courtney@...>
 

Hello,

I have posted 3 vital records for the above numbered files on ViewMate.
They are apparently in Russian, though relate to my Polish
great grandparents Hersh/Gersh and Feige SZTAJNCHAUR/SZTEJNCHAUR.

I would greatly appreciate your help with these by translating them
if possible. They are:

VM63824 Record 201 is relevant
VM63825 Record 91 is relevant
VM63826 Record 69 is relevant

Thank you for your help,

Geraldine COURTNEY, UK

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The direct links to the images cited above are:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM63824
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM63825
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM63826
Please respond privately or on the ViewMate form.


JRI Poland #Poland ViewMate Files VM63824/63825/63826 #poland

MALCOLM COURTNEY <malcolm.courtney@...>
 

Hello,

I have posted 3 vital records for the above numbered files on ViewMate.
They are apparently in Russian, though relate to my Polish
great grandparents Hersh/Gersh and Feige SZTAJNCHAUR/SZTEJNCHAUR.

I would greatly appreciate your help with these by translating them
if possible. They are:

VM63824 Record 201 is relevant
VM63825 Record 91 is relevant
VM63826 Record 69 is relevant

Thank you for your help,

Geraldine COURTNEY, UK

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The direct links to the images cited above are:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM63824
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM63825
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM63826
Please respond privately or on the ViewMate form.


Looking for someone willing to visit Mount Carmel Cemetery for me #general

Jonathan Persons <jonpersons@...>
 

Greetings:

I am looking for someone who can visit Mount Carmel Cemetery
(Ridgewood, NY) to take pictures of tombstones (or transcribe their
text) for me. Being stationed in Alabama, it is not easy to do so
myself. The markers I am interested in are for my g-grandparents, Max
& Eugenie Reiber: Their graves are located in the Flatbush JCC
section at Section 2, Block 2, Map 6, Lot 112, Grave 6 & 7.

Thank you.

Jonathan Persons
Redstone Arsenal, AL
jonpersons@gmail.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please contact Jonathan before heading to the cemetery in
order to avoid duplication of effort.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for someone willing to visit Mount Carmel Cemetery for me #general

Jonathan Persons <jonpersons@...>
 

Greetings:

I am looking for someone who can visit Mount Carmel Cemetery
(Ridgewood, NY) to take pictures of tombstones (or transcribe their
text) for me. Being stationed in Alabama, it is not easy to do so
myself. The markers I am interested in are for my g-grandparents, Max
& Eugenie Reiber: Their graves are located in the Flatbush JCC
section at Section 2, Block 2, Map 6, Lot 112, Grave 6 & 7.

Thank you.

Jonathan Persons
Redstone Arsenal, AL
jonpersons@gmail.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please contact Jonathan before heading to the cemetery in
order to avoid duplication of effort.

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