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Re: Records of passport applications from Poland and trip to France #france #poland

David Choukroun
 

Dear Virginie,

There is a small hope using this path :

In France, there is what we call the "Fond de Moscou", because those files (more than 2 millions of files!) were stolen during the WW2 and then given back in 1990s to the French National Archives

In real those files are multiples -- and you may find several records (from a simple administrative letter, to much much more, including photo, passport (in real limited right to stay in France), etc..

Is Wengelenski the right name to search ?  Can you please share as well the first name ? 

Many thanks
Regards
David

david.choukroun@...


Re: Second Home Cemetery, Greenfield, Wisconsin #photographs

EdrieAnne Broughton
 

Make a request at Find a Grave.  All you have to do is ask the photographer to take a clear picture of the reverse side of the stone.  I've done that several times.  Just go to the person's memorial. There should be a request photo on the left. Click that and a box should come up for special instructions.  Just give what you want and be sure to thank the photographer.   At least it's not knee deep in snow right now.
EdrieAnne Broughton
Vacaville, California, where it's never knee deep in snow


Re: Number next to my Great Grandfather's name on the ship manifest ? #general

Diane Jacobs
 

It is the Certificate of Arrival number used to prove date of emigration needed for the US Naturalization Petition. The date on the passenger gives you an idea of when the person naturalized.

Diane Jacobs



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-------- Original message --------
From: loren greenberg <greenberg.loren@...>
Date: 7/24/20 2:31 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Number next to my Great Grandfather's name on the ship manifest ? #general

Hello,
What is the significance of the number written next to my Great Grandfather's name
on the ship manifest of 1911?
2-475862-10/13/30 or 31

Thank you,

Loren Greenberg
Los Angeles,California

Volpiansky - Balbieriskis and Kaunas, Lithuania
Milner-Smiltene, Latvia
Abelow-Meretz, Lithuania
Golub(ofsky), Perlow(sky)-Vasilishki, Ostryna Belarus
Shafir,Melamed,Agazim - Starokonstantinov, Ukraine
--
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Re: Searching for records of RUSSMAN from Pinsk #belarus #names

S.geller@...
 

Good day, I had found the gravestone of Jacob Russman, which indicates his father as Aron. Will keep searching...


Re: Other names for Yitzchak? #names

amelia.angel@...
 

My grandfather  was born in Warsaw in 1896 and his name was registered as ICCOK ANGIELCZYK  

His Hebrew name was יצחק


Reaching Out to Budapest City Archives for Resident Information (late 1800's to early 1900's) #galicia #hungary

Yaron Wolfsthal
 

Dear Group,
A relative lived in Budapest between 1896 and 1920.

I'd be happy to hear if fellow researchers on this group had any experience in reaching out to the City Archives of Budapest to explore the existence of information from that period.

Thank you - Yaron


Re: Research individuals in France #france

David Choukroun
 

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 09:16 AM, Coblentz Northwestern Administrative Services wrote:
COBLENTZ
@ Coblentz Northwestern Administrative Services

Following the guideline from Bernard Flam, you could find the reference of one Max Coblentz in France (1942)

Is it the right reference you are looking at ?  We could need more data as Coblentz is very similar to a city name as well

Regards
David

david.choukroun@...
France


How to use the Paris Census record -- a guideline #guidelines #france

David Choukroun
 

how to use Paris Census records
 
Example : Rue LeMarois
 
Name : Rabinovitch
 
Years : 1931 / 1936
 
1st Step : Google map is always helpful (and Paris is beautiful :))

and find your street by name
you will find


2 important information there (highlighted in Red)  : the Arrondissement : XVI = 16iem
, and the Quartier : Auteuil (you may have several entries there because of changes in time)


3rd Step : go to Archive the Paris Web site : http://archives.paris.fr/s/11/denombrements-de-population/?
and fill the form with previous information



then you shall have access to registers (some are  missing)



 
4th Step : DO NOT parse the complete records (500 x 8  images in average) unless you have time :)
the right method here is to understand quickly how the street names are sorted : most of the time by Alphabetical order but which one ? :)
example : Rue Lincoln, Paris 8iem :  it can be Abraham Lincoln ? or Lincoln ?  So A or L ? 
not to mention the tricks about the Passage, Impasse, Places ... that are recorded sometimes at the end of registers

As soon as you understand the structure of the file, it is much more easier to find your street
In my case, this is Rue LE MAROIS = L ==> 3rd line of the previous list
 
then you can follow the street number of the street (do not mix with the number of Family associated)
Rabinovitch can be found easily here :  (in my example : Rue LeMarois 35 and 37 on the top left, Family number is 38)

Trick: odd and even numbers of the streets might have been recorded separately !!!

 
 
 
What can you learn :
names of the full family
but also
the year of birth 78 = 1878, 12 =1912 , 05 = 1905, etc... in my case
country of origin : here Poland and Lettonie and Russie (the letter O, or N can indicate if there was a naturalisation )
Ch = Chef de famille = the husband
F = Femme = the wife
Enf = Enfant = Child
the Activity : e.g. here Steno  = Stenographe, and the last number is a reference to the employer
 
This is far far from complete -- I did it in a hurry -- I will complete most probably with Bernard Flam and others later

Hope that helps,

Best regards
David
 
david.choukroun@...
France


Jewish families originated from Kobylnik (today Naroc in Belarus) living in France #belarus #france #poland

patrice.markiewicz@...
 

Bonjour,

Docteur en Histoire,  je souhaiterais rencontrer des personnes juives et non-juives nées ou des descendants de personnes nées à Kobylnik en Pologne avant la guerre (aujourd'hui Naroc en Belarus) résidant actuellement en France.
Mes arrières grands-parents paternels y sont nés. Merci de prendre contact avec moi. Patrice Markiewicz. Courriel: patrice.markiewicz@...


Juifs de l'Empire russe, de Pologne et de Moldavie dans le 18e arrondissement de Paris aux 19e et 20e siècles #subcarpathia #ukraine #belarus #france #latvia

patrice.markiewicz@...
 

Bonjour,
Docteur en Histoire contemporaine,  j'effectue des recherches sur "Les Juifs de l'Empire russe, de Pologne et de Moldavie immigrés dans le 18e arrondissement de Paris aux 19e et 20e siècles, de 1852 à 1944., sous la direction de la Fondation Casip-Cojasor. Vous êtes un.e descendant.e de ces personnes, merci de prendre contact avec moi. Types d'informations recherchées: adresse, métier ou profession, vie culturelle, religieuse, politique et syndicale, appartenance à des associations juives, landmanshaftn... Egalement des documents d'identité, des photos, etc. Merci pour vos collaboration et contribution. Patrice Markiewicz. Courriel: patrice.markiewicz@....


Re: Research individuals in France #france

David Choukroun
 

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 11:05 AM, Aaron Slotnik wrote:
ZLOTNIK
@ Aaron ZLOTNIK

Dear Aaron,
I am discussing with Bernard Flam about how to write a description of the next steps --  it will help all of you.
In your case, you did the main work : find a reference of the Naturalisation into the Journal Officiel (using Gallica) 
In real , it depends on the dates :  Before 1930, you shall use another reference (Bulletin des lois).

So you have now :05 feb 1942 (important to collect)

(obviously, the address is important -- as you may search in the Paris Census record to find the family)

@27.July 1947



What is next step :
you need to go to the French National Archive web site :
http://www.archives-nationales.culture.gouv.fr/

and look at Naturalisation "how to" (not sure there is an Eng. version): the game is to find the reference of the file of naturalisation
There is a double index entry process -- I know : this is painful (my view) because there are various paths depending on the period
and at the end, you need someone in Paris to book in advance the file and to scan it for you at a special place (and Covid is not helping those days)

in your case, 1942 and 1947 are not online (to my knowledge -- I might be wrong and happy to learn from others) (only 1883 to 1930 are)

So the method in your case is to ask the French National Archive to find the reference for you...
I am sorry this is so complicated

Best regards
David

david.choukroun@...

 



Re: Jews from Russia in the 18tv arena of Paris during the 19th and 20th centuries #russia #poland #france

patrice.markiewicz@...
 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:43 AM, <ewkent@...> wrote:
Dear Patrice Markiewicz (I'm sorry, but I don't know your gender or whether you have a doctorate):

You mean 18th arrondissement, don't you?

( Arrondissements being divisions of/areas within Paris; "arenas" to English-speakers would suggest indoor spaces for sporting events or large concerts .)

I have (myself) no knowledge which would be of help, but I hope that readers who do have information on such families as you are looking for information from may be sure of what you are asking for (and it seems to me that you are looking for information on Jewish families from the Russian Empire (Czarist Russian Empire) and Poland who emigrated and lived in the 18th arrondissement of Paris in the 19th and 20th centuries).

Bonne chance/Good Luck,

Ethan Kent (in New York City)

 Sorry, I did a mistake: 18th area not arena (arrondissement in french).


Re: Research individuals in France #france

David Choukroun
 

@ Nancy and @ Yann

Dear Nancy, dear Yann

One you have found the decret number --thanks to the guideline from Bernard Flam -- you can go the French National Archives to deduct the file number to request
This is a little bit labyrinthal (we are in France right :) ), but in real this is very effective

In your case, here is the next step : 99375 x 28 and you can learn he was soldat at the "French Legion Etrangère" (so they have also a file)
as well as a city : Boulogne sur Seine

So next steps would be
1/ Search for the 99375x28 File that can be tons of information (pictures, handwriten mail, name of the full family etc...)
2/ Write the French Legion Etrangere (in French sorry)
Bureau des anciens de la Légion étrangère
COMMANDEMENT DE LA LEGION ETRANGERE
Quartier Viénot - B.P. 21 355
13 784 AUBAGNE CEDEX
3/ Look at the Census from Boulogne sur Seine to find a possible family (can be long without the exact address street number etc...)

Hope that helps
regards
David

david.choukroun@...


Re: Research individuals in France #france

David Choukroun
 

@ Marilyn Feingold

Dear Marilyn,
Without at least the city "outside of Paris" you mentioned for Bessie Schliffer , it will be difficult to search in France

The good news is that the French Foreign Legion -- as they keep all the records -- you can write (in French sorry) at
Bureau des anciens de la Légion étrangère
COMMANDEMENT DE LA LEGION ETRANGERE
Quartier Viénot - B.P. 21 355
13 784 AUBAGNE CEDEX
FRANCE

Obviously the more details you add, the easier it will be for them to search (they need a range of date at least)

Please note as well the change of name from Schliffer to Ashton for some (to be confirmed) relatives in UK (see the London Gazette July 1915)
FREDERICK WILLIAM JOSEPH ASHTON  and  DAVID ERNEST ASHTON.

Hope that helps
Regards

David
david.choukroun@...


Re: Oath of Allegiance #canada

Alan Greenberg
 

The JGS-Montreal created the index you see on the Library and Archives Canada web site. The index currently goes to 1946, and we are waiting for them to post the last five years (Canada stopped publishing such records in 1951).

For reasons we have never determined, entries for naturalizations from about 1920 until 1932 give the date of the naturalization certificate OR the date of the oath of allegiance, but not both. We've never understood what the pattern is governing which was published, but in all cases these were actual naturalizations and files are available.

Ordering records requires that you be a citizen or resident of Canada. The JGS-Montreal offers a service to order records on behalf of researchers who are not qualified to do so. Write to naturalizations@....

Alan Greenberg
Jewish genealogical Society of Montreal



At 2020-07-24 06:56 PM, Jacob Heisler via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
Hi Jeri,

yes, the Oath of Allegiance was an actual document. You can order it,
along with the entire naturalization file, from the Canadian
government. There's a website that explains how to order it here:
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/citizenship-naturalization-records/Pages/introduction.aspx
[text omitted]

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 4:29 PM Teewinot <teewinot13@...> wrote:

Hi Cousins,

My 1st cousin twice removed, Samuel Friedman, lived in Montreal, Quebec,
Canada. He took the Oath of Allegiance on June 21, 1923. Number and
Series is 24890 A. The date for certificate of naturalization is blank,
so I'm assuming he never naturalized. What I'd like to know is this:

1. Was the Oath of Allegiance an actual document?

2. What information does it contain besides the person's name?


Re: Hit a roadblock finding death certificate for NYC: names, certificate number, but no death year #general #usa #belarus

Sherri Bobish
 


Rafael,

Can you post the names of the people you are seeking?  If some of us can look at what you are seeing than perhaps we can be of help to you.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ


Need help finding several records on badatelna #austria-czech

Barbara Stein
 

I have been unable to find several records on badatelna related to the family of my pGGF, Eduard (Edward) STEIN (b. 1839, Siroke Trebcice), and his wife, Wilhelmina (Minna, Mina) ZUCKERMAN(N) (b. 1844, Krasna Lipa). I looked in the small towns surrounding their places of birth, not knowing exactly where the events would have been registered, but I don’t know where to look next.  Are there other sources for such records? 


Background

Eduard’s parents were Moses STEIN (1802-1870) and Elenore (Elenora) BAYER. His paternal grandparents were Simon STEIN (1763-1847) and Rosa MELZER (1764-1846). His maternal grandparents were Pinkas Baroch BAYER from Lichtenstadt (Hroznetin) and Amalia FEIGL from Kirchenberg.

 

Wilhelmina’s parents were Nephthali ZUCKERMANN (1813-1873) and Johanna KOHN (1816-1884). Nephthali's parents were Moses ZUCKERMANN (b. 1777) and Rosina STRASS (b. 1779). Johanna’s parents were Jakob KOHN and Maria Charlotte PICHL.


I have NOT been able to locate

1) the birth record for my 2nd GGM, Elenore BAYER (b. 1812-1815?), although I found birth records for 7 other children of Pinkas BAYER in Hroznetin

 

2) Elenore BAYER’s marriage record to Moses STEIN (ca. 1831?) (their first child was b. 1832 in Siroke Trebcice)

 

3) the familitant record for my 2nd GGF, Nephthali ZUCKERMANN, or his father Moses


Additional questions

1) Eduard was one of 10 siblings (4 boys, 6 girls). The Moses STEIN familitant record lists his oldest brother Moritz (b. 1834) but the 1834 birth record I found is for a son called Abraham. How do I determine if these are the same person?

Stein_Moses & Eleanora Baier familitant record: fond2098_HBF158_image3_590306

Stein_Abraham 1834 birth record: fond1073_N2012_image24_95321

Stein_Simon & Rosa Melzer familitant record: fond2098_HBF158_image21_590359

 

2) Why aren’t Eduard (b. 1839), or his younger brother Philipp (b. 1841), listed on the familitant record? After Moritz, there is a big gap on the page but the next name listed is Salomon (b. 1844).

 

3) Elenore BAYER was also one of 10 children (4 boys, 6 girls). I have found birth records for 7 of them, born 1821-1832, but not hers. A brother, Samuel, is listed on the familitant record (b. 1811) but I have not found his birth record. What would account for the large number of years between Samuel and these other siblings? I am assuming that Elenore, and her sister Fanny, were born in this gap. There may also be other children I don’t know about?

Bayer_Pinkas & Amalia Feigl familitant record: fond2098_HBF101_Ostrov_image46_586176

Bayer_Wolf 1821 birth record: fond1073_N532_image15_88931

Bayer_Bernard 1834 birth record: fond1073_N533_image4_89665

 

I'm grateful for any help or suggestions!

 

Barbara Stein
Seattle, WA


Looking for 19thC marriage record in NYC(?) #usa #austria-czech

Barbara Stein
 

I am looking for the marriage record of my pGGP, Eduard (Edward) STEIN (b. 1839, Siroke Trebcice, Bohemia) and Wilhelmina (Minna, Mina) ZUCKERMAN(N) (b. 1844, Krasna Lipa, Bohemia).  I believe Minna arrived in NYC on 10 Sep 1866 under her maiden name and that Eduard arrived in NYC on 25 Mar 1867.  A daughter Elenore was born 6 Apr 1868 in NYC; she died 17 Jul 1869 in NYC.  Edward and Wilhelmina are listed as a married couple with a new son, my pGF, in the 1870 U.S. census for NYC.  For these reasons I assume they married in NYC but I have been unable to find a NY or Bohemian marriage record.  For NY, I tried "New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1940" (I found the record for Minna’s sister Bertha).  For Bohemia I used Badatelna.  I welcome other suggestions/assistance.

 

Barbara Stein

Seattle, WA


Re: Oath of Allegiance #canada

Jacob Heisler
 

Hi Jeri,

yes, the Oath of Allegiance was an actual document. You can order it,
along with the entire naturalization file, from the Canadian
government. There's a website that explains how to order it here:
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/citizenship-naturalization-records/Pages/introduction.aspx

Basically, you need to mail a request for the naturalization record
(with the name and the record number and series) to Immigration,
Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC), along with a check for $5
(Canadian) and proof the person's been dead for at least 20 years. You
need the proof of death regardless of when the person was born, and it
can include a copy of a death certificate, an obituary, or a picture
of a tombstone. You also need to be a Canadian citizen to order the
records, but if you aren't one you can try and find someone to order
it for you.

From my own experience, it can include a significant amount of records
with significant amount of information: when/where the person was
born, how they immigrated to Canada, addresses, occupation, spouse and
children, and other stuff. However, you should be aware they will
withhold pages with potentially personal information on other people
who could still be alive (even when it's obvious they probably
aren't), namely spouses. If possible, I'd recommend including the
proof of death for the spouse as well.

I hope this was able to help, and good luck!

From,
Jacob Heisler
Norwalk, CT


On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 4:29 PM Teewinot <teewinot13@...> wrote:

Hi Cousins,

My 1st cousin twice removed, Samuel Friedman, lived in Montreal, Quebec,
Canada. He took the Oath of Allegiance on June 21, 1923. Number and
Series is 24890 A. The date for certificate of naturalization is blank,
so I'm assuming he never naturalized. What I'd like to know is this:

1. Was the Oath of Allegiance an actual document?

2. What information does it contain besides the person's name?

Thank you,
Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida
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RESEARCHING: FRIEDMAN, MILLER, BERKOWITZ (Grodno, Poland/Russia/Belarus
and Montreal, Quebec, Canada); GEIST (?,Russia); GLICKMAN, KLUGMAN,
STURMAN, KAPLAN, ROTENBERG (Bilgoraj, Lublin, Poland/Russia);
LIEB/LEIBOWITZ, BLAU (Jassy/Iasi, Romania); GALINSKY, GELLIS (Suwalki,
Poland/Russia); KRASNOPOLSKY, SILBERMAN/SILVERMAN (Krasnopol, Poland/Russia)
KOPCIANSKY (?, Poland/Russia); GOLDSTEIN, SCHRAGER (?, Romania);
CYRULNIK (Suwalki, Poland/Russia and Kalvarija, Lithuania)

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Re: Hit a roadblock finding death certificate for NYC: names, certificate number, but no death year #general #usa #belarus

David Oseas
 

Rafael,

Are you certain that you are looking at the death records for the couple and not their database entries (as parents) in the death record of their child?

It is unusual (though not unheard of) for a couple to die on the same date.  However, I've never run across a situation where two people were given the same death record number:  the pages were usually pre-printed (or stamped) with sequential numbers, so it would require that both deaths to be recorded on same form.

Regards,
David Oseas