Topic: Research in Toronto and the Summer Seminar - August 4th - 9th

Sunday, March 17, 2002 at 2:00 PM
Center for Jewish History
15 West 16th Street (between Fifth & Sixth Avenues)
New York, NY

Garry Stein Toronto JGS President will discuss "Research in Toronto and the
Summer Seminar - August 4th - 9th"

2:00 P.M., at the Center for Jewish History, 15 West 16th Street (between
5th and 6th Avenues) Please bring your membership card. Non-members will be
charged $3 admission. [note: The Genealogy Institute (on the 3d Floor) at
the Center for Jewish History will be open 12:30 to 2:00 for networking with
other researchers and access to resource materials and computers..]

The Center for Jewish History requires that all coats be checked in the coat
room..

The Center Genealogy Institute will be open 12:30 to 2:00 on March 17th for
networking with other researchers and access to resource materials and
computers.

Please bring your 2002 membership card. Non-members will be charged $3
admission.

Alex E. Friedlander
JGS NY President
http://www.jgsny.org

Topic: Research in Toronto and the Summer Seminar - August 4th - 9th

Sunday, March 17, 2002 at 2:00 PM
Center for Jewish History
15 West 16th Street (between Fifth & Sixth Avenues)
New York, NY

Garry Stein Toronto JGS President will discuss "Research in Toronto and the
Summer Seminar - August 4th - 9th"

2:00 P.M., at the Center for Jewish History, 15 West 16th Street (between
5th and 6th Avenues) Please bring your membership card. Non-members will be
charged $3 admission. [note: The Genealogy Institute (on the 3d Floor) at
the Center for Jewish History will be open 12:30 to 2:00 for networking with
other researchers and access to resource materials and computers..]

The Center for Jewish History requires that all coats be checked in the coat
room..

The Center Genealogy Institute will be open 12:30 to 2:00 on March 17th for
networking with other researchers and access to resource materials and
computers.

Please bring your 2002 membership card. Non-members will be charged $3
admission.

Alex E. Friedlander
JGS NY President
http://www.jgsny.org

In article <f532d794.0203121206.6b6f1dd4@posting.google.com>,
Lorraine Hershon <Hershon@Blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Does any information survive on the Hirsch community at all? I have
checked on the net and cant find very much. In particular Im looking
for things on one of the particular families there. Thanks

There has been quite a lot written about the Saskatchewan Jewish
communities. But your best bet might be to get in touch with the
Genealogical Institute of the Jewish Heritage Centre of Western Canada
(http://www.jhcwc.org/geninst.htm) and in particular the archivist
Irma Penn (e-mail heritage@jhcwc.org). They have extensive archives and
I've found Ms Penn quite helpful.

Robert Israel israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1Z2

In article <f532d794.0203121206.6b6f1dd4@posting.google.com>,
Lorraine Hershon <Hershon@Blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Does any information survive on the Hirsch community at all? I have
checked on the net and cant find very much. In particular Im looking
for things on one of the particular families there. Thanks

There has been quite a lot written about the Saskatchewan Jewish
communities. But your best bet might be to get in touch with the
Genealogical Institute of the Jewish Heritage Centre of Western Canada
(http://www.jhcwc.org/geninst.htm) and in particular the archivist
Irma Penn (e-mail heritage@jhcwc.org). They have extensive archives and
I've found Ms Penn quite helpful.

Robert Israel israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1Z2

On Nov.10/99 and June 14/99 I sent discouraging messages regarding the
records of Temple Ansche Chesed (251 West 100th Street (Corner of
West End Avenue), New York NY 10025). In them I said I had had trouble
accessing them where they were stored at the Jewish Theological Seminary,
and that when I was finally able to view them, they were in unassorted
envelopes and bundles. Moreover, >from those I examined at random, I was
led to conclude that the records had been haphazardly kept by the Temple's
personnel. This may have been one reason why the Temple fell upon hard
times. (Other reasons for the Temple's downfall may have been the aging of
its regular attendants, or the moving away >from West End Avenue by their
families and descendents.)

Today I made another one of my periodic internet searches for information
about my father's professional work as an architect. Not only did I find
what was to me a new German website displaying the addresses of thirteen
skyscrapers he designed including photographs of two of them at:

http://www.skyscrapers.com/deutsch/company/0.9/101639

but while searching for "H.I. FELDMAN" I also discovered to my surprise that
Ansche Chesed's records have been organized since my last visit to the
Seminary.

When I clicked on that Ansche Chesed records site the "google" search
engine found, the inventory began to display itself as having been neatly
organized, year by year. "Google" said that my father's name would be
highlighted, but after a little while, the page stopped unfolding, and my
browser "hung" so that I could not scroll down the entire page at least to
see my father's name much less to the page's end. Twice more I
unsuccessfully tried to see the full page. But then I figured out how to
download the inventory to view with my "Acrobat Reader" gadget. If you ave
Acrobat Reader, you can get the inventory by going to:

www.jtsa.edu/research/ratner/archives/conrec/inst_anschechesedny.pdf


Now that I have the inventory, my father's name appears along with a
J.Ballinger and a J.Goldberg after a 1963 entry for the American Irving
Savings Bank. A few other names appear throughout the inventory, but no
membership list. Don't expect to find too many membership lists if you do
go to the Seminary, and those you find will probably be incomplete for any
particular year.

Maybe other Jewishgenners will also be able to view the inventory and then
be encouraged to visit the Seminary to rummage through the records for
information about those of their family members who attended Ansche Chesed.
However, I still think that even though some of the records have been
organized by year and subject matter, the records themselves were not
maintained well during the many years my father and some of his friends
worshiped and socialized there.


Also, a few months ago, I read Paul Cowan's "An Orphan in History:
Retrieving a Jewish Legacy," William Morrow,1996,ISBN 0-688-14604-X.
Toward the end of his autobiography, he talks about his and his wife's
role in reviving the then nearly moribund Temple Ansche Chesed. >from what
the late Cowan wrote and >from some remarks another Jewishgenner made to me
privately a few months ago, I daresay it is now a different sort of Temple
than the one I attended with my father when I was still a very small
girl.


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse; SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY,
Ostryna.

On Nov.10/99 and June 14/99 I sent discouraging messages regarding the
records of Temple Ansche Chesed (251 West 100th Street (Corner of
West End Avenue), New York NY 10025). In them I said I had had trouble
accessing them where they were stored at the Jewish Theological Seminary,
and that when I was finally able to view them, they were in unassorted
envelopes and bundles. Moreover, >from those I examined at random, I was
led to conclude that the records had been haphazardly kept by the Temple's
personnel. This may have been one reason why the Temple fell upon hard
times. (Other reasons for the Temple's downfall may have been the aging of
its regular attendants, or the moving away >from West End Avenue by their
families and descendents.)

Today I made another one of my periodic internet searches for information
about my father's professional work as an architect. Not only did I find
what was to me a new German website displaying the addresses of thirteen
skyscrapers he designed including photographs of two of them at:

http://www.skyscrapers.com/deutsch/company/0.9/101639

but while searching for "H.I. FELDMAN" I also discovered to my surprise that
Ansche Chesed's records have been organized since my last visit to the
Seminary.

When I clicked on that Ansche Chesed records site the "google" search
engine found, the inventory began to display itself as having been neatly
organized, year by year. "Google" said that my father's name would be
highlighted, but after a little while, the page stopped unfolding, and my
browser "hung" so that I could not scroll down the entire page at least to
see my father's name much less to the page's end. Twice more I
unsuccessfully tried to see the full page. But then I figured out how to
download the inventory to view with my "Acrobat Reader" gadget. If you ave
Acrobat Reader, you can get the inventory by going to:

www.jtsa.edu/research/ratner/archives/conrec/inst_anschechesedny.pdf


Now that I have the inventory, my father's name appears along with a
J.Ballinger and a J.Goldberg after a 1963 entry for the American Irving
Savings Bank. A few other names appear throughout the inventory, but no
membership list. Don't expect to find too many membership lists if you do
go to the Seminary, and those you find will probably be incomplete for any
particular year.

Maybe other Jewishgenners will also be able to view the inventory and then
be encouraged to visit the Seminary to rummage through the records for
information about those of their family members who attended Ansche Chesed.
However, I still think that even though some of the records have been
organized by year and subject matter, the records themselves were not
maintained well during the many years my father and some of his friends
worshiped and socialized there.


Also, a few months ago, I read Paul Cowan's "An Orphan in History:
Retrieving a Jewish Legacy," William Morrow,1996,ISBN 0-688-14604-X.
Toward the end of his autobiography, he talks about his and his wife's
role in reviving the then nearly moribund Temple Ansche Chesed. >from what
the late Cowan wrote and >from some remarks another Jewishgenner made to me
privately a few months ago, I daresay it is now a different sort of Temple
than the one I attended with my father when I was still a very small
girl.


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse; SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY,
Ostryna.

I am researching my Grandmothers brothers and sisters. One sister Bertha
DORFMAN married a Ben KIEVSKY. They lived in Newark New Jersey in April
1909. In the Ellis Island records, her destination is listed as 99 Broom
St. I have been unable to locate when Ben and Bertha came to the US. Manya
(my Grandmother) was >from Kiev. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Marti Wulfow Garner
Searching WULFOW, VULFOW, DORFMAN, KIEVSKY, and DOLINSKY

Moderator's Note: PLEASE REMEMBER TO CAPITALIZE SURNAMES

I am researching my Grandmothers brothers and sisters. One sister Bertha
DORFMAN married a Ben KIEVSKY. They lived in Newark New Jersey in April
1909. In the Ellis Island records, her destination is listed as 99 Broom
St. I have been unable to locate when Ben and Bertha came to the US. Manya
(my Grandmother) was >from Kiev. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Marti Wulfow Garner
Searching WULFOW, VULFOW, DORFMAN, KIEVSKY, and DOLINSKY

Moderator's Note: PLEASE REMEMBER TO CAPITALIZE SURNAMES

Dear Genners,

My great-grandmother Faiga FELDMAN and her daughter Riva BRENYZEN along with
her husband and children were boarding an evacuation train the day before
the Germans overtook Zhitomir.
Apparently a relative convinced them to get off the train by saying that the
Nazis weren't a threat to Jews and so they got off the train. The next day,
when the Germans took over, the whole family was executed.

I was wondering if anyone knows when the Nazis took over Zhitomir. All I
know is that it was sometime in 1941. Also, would there be any record of the
people who were killed at a mass grave site? Any leads would be most
appreciated.

Larry Brikman
Toronto, Canada
lbb107@rogers.com

Researching:

BRENYZEN - Khodorkov Ukr; Zhitomir Ukr; Kiyev Ukr; Kharkov Ukr;
BRIKMAN - Poland; Kiyev, Ukr
GRINSHPUN - Pulin Ukr; Zhitomir Ukr; Kharkov Ukr;
FELDMAN - Khodorkov, Ukr; Zhitomir, Ukr;
NAUMOV - Lviv Ukr;
BYTEMAN - Lviv Ukr; Zhitomir Ukr; Radbolarka Ukr;
GOLOUBTCHIK - Kiyev, Ukr;
SKUTELSKY - Kharkov, Ukr;
YAMNITSKI - Kharkov, Ukr;
FEYGINA - Kharkov, Ukr;

Dear Genners,

My great-grandmother Faiga FELDMAN and her daughter Riva BRENYZEN along with
her husband and children were boarding an evacuation train the day before
the Germans overtook Zhitomir.
Apparently a relative convinced them to get off the train by saying that the
Nazis weren't a threat to Jews and so they got off the train. The next day,
when the Germans took over, the whole family was executed.

I was wondering if anyone knows when the Nazis took over Zhitomir. All I
know is that it was sometime in 1941. Also, would there be any record of the
people who were killed at a mass grave site? Any leads would be most
appreciated.

Larry Brikman
Toronto, Canada
lbb107@rogers.com

Researching:

BRENYZEN - Khodorkov Ukr; Zhitomir Ukr; Kiyev Ukr; Kharkov Ukr;
BRIKMAN - Poland; Kiyev, Ukr
GRINSHPUN - Pulin Ukr; Zhitomir Ukr; Kharkov Ukr;
FELDMAN - Khodorkov, Ukr; Zhitomir, Ukr;
NAUMOV - Lviv Ukr;
BYTEMAN - Lviv Ukr; Zhitomir Ukr; Radbolarka Ukr;
GOLOUBTCHIK - Kiyev, Ukr;
SKUTELSKY - Kharkov, Ukr;
YAMNITSKI - Kharkov, Ukr;
FEYGINA - Kharkov, Ukr;

The following information is being reprinted with the permission of
the author. It originally appeared in the Belarus Digest of February
18, 2002. Thank you Michael.


From: michael steinore <belaroots@yahoo.com>

Every time a U.S. census comes out, as the 1930 census will soon, there are
usually some questions about what such and such entry means. Very often
these questions can be answered by knowing what the enumerator
instructions were. The nice folks at the University of Minnesota have
enumerator instructions for the 1930 Federal census online at

http://www.ipums.umn.edu/usa/voliii/inst1930.html

In clear English, it explains how the census was to be filled out, and
gives some interesting details. Actually, the instructions for all
censuses 1850-1990 are available, though in the more recent censuses, they
are respondent instructions, as they were filled out directly by the
population. Just change the year in the above web address to be the year
for which you want instructions.

Michael Steinore
San Mateo, CA

The following information is being reprinted with the permission of
the author. It originally appeared in the Belarus Digest of February
18, 2002. Thank you Michael.


From: michael steinore <belaroots@yahoo.com>

Every time a U.S. census comes out, as the 1930 census will soon, there are
usually some questions about what such and such entry means. Very often
these questions can be answered by knowing what the enumerator
instructions were. The nice folks at the University of Minnesota have
enumerator instructions for the 1930 Federal census online at

http://www.ipums.umn.edu/usa/voliii/inst1930.html

In clear English, it explains how the census was to be filled out, and
gives some interesting details. Actually, the instructions for all
censuses 1850-1990 are available, though in the more recent censuses, they
are respondent instructions, as they were filled out directly by the
population. Just change the year in the above web address to be the year
for which you want instructions.

Michael Steinore
San Mateo, CA

Is anyone able to tell me if there are any "Bercy's" listed in the Queens,
NY phone book?
Thank you,
Susan Stock
Agoura Hills, Ca

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

On 2002-03-10 I had written:

The article title "NPR : Yiddish Radio Project, A Special Report"
can be found at http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/yiddish/index.html

For participants living outside the US and others who will miss the
radio broadcasts... Following each of the 10 radio segments, the
program will be available online via RealAudio at http://www.npr.org

--
<koosh@att.net>
Bernard Kouchel

Is anyone able to tell me if there are any "Bercy's" listed in the Queens,
NY phone book?
Thank you,
Susan Stock
Agoura Hills, Ca

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

On 2002-03-10 I had written:

The article title "NPR : Yiddish Radio Project, A Special Report"
can be found at http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/yiddish/index.html

For participants living outside the US and others who will miss the
radio broadcasts... Following each of the 10 radio segments, the
program will be available online via RealAudio at http://www.npr.org

--
<koosh@att.net>
Bernard Kouchel

In the 1920 census , I have found my husbands other great-grandparents,
Hyman and Bessie SHapiro and their 4 children. Hyman lists his place of
birth as either Kliss or Kleis and his fathers as Vilna. I guess I
should be glad because Bessie lists Russian Poland as her place of birth
and that of her parents, of course, the whole family thought she was
born in England!
My question is: I have tried the shtetl-seeker and I cannot figure out
if I am in Lithuania or Ukraine or maybe I am not looking at the right
places at all?
Can anyone offer any suggestions as to where or how I proceed?
Many thanks,
Marie Darrer

Hello all,
I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what stands at 11377 Woodside,
Queens, NY? I tracked this down as being the last residence of an uncle in
1969. Is it a house, apt bldg, retirement home etc.
If you can tell me, please respond privately.
Thank you,
Susan Stock
Agoura Hills, Ca

In the 1920 census , I have found my husbands other great-grandparents,
Hyman and Bessie SHapiro and their 4 children. Hyman lists his place of
birth as either Kliss or Kleis and his fathers as Vilna. I guess I
should be glad because Bessie lists Russian Poland as her place of birth
and that of her parents, of course, the whole family thought she was
born in England!
My question is: I have tried the shtetl-seeker and I cannot figure out
if I am in Lithuania or Ukraine or maybe I am not looking at the right
places at all?
Can anyone offer any suggestions as to where or how I proceed?
Many thanks,
Marie Darrer

Hello all,
I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what stands at 11377 Woodside,
Queens, NY? I tracked this down as being the last residence of an uncle in
1969. Is it a house, apt bldg, retirement home etc.
If you can tell me, please respond privately.
Thank you,
Susan Stock
Agoura Hills, Ca