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Family marriages #general

Eileen Price <eileen.price@...>
 

Dear Jenners,

I would like to add one more comment regarding family marriages. Some
parents took their sons and/or daughters to next size town to look for a
spouse. My father was born in Brest Litovsk, but he said his grandparents
were >from Biala Podlaska about 15 km. to the west of Brest Litovsk. He
said that his grandparents took their son to Brest Litovsk to look for a
bride which turned out to be my grandmother. I have a feeling that they
checked in with a matchmaker.

Years later, both of my parents who were born in Brest Litovsk, met at a
Brisker and Grodner picnic in Cleveland, Ohio. The matchmakers in that
case were friends who just happened to take a group of their friends to
the picnic. That still happens in a round about way, but we call it a
blind date.

Eileen Price
Denver, CO
eileen.price@att.net

Searching: Sarah Blecher GERSHENZON- Biala Podlaska to Detroit, MI


JOSEPHS (JABLOWSKI/YUBLOFSKY/YABLISKY) & ROSENBERG Ciechanow, Poland #general

Genealicej@...
 

Wow, I've just found out the previous name(s) of my JOSEPHS family from
Ciechenow, Poland plus the birth name of my JOSEPHS great grandmother
Judith (Yetta or Jette) ROSENBERG.

So is anybody looking for the JABLOWSKI/YUBLOFSKY/YABLISKY and ROSENBERG
families of Ciechanow? There may also be a connection with a JOSEPHS
family >from Belarus who settled in Dublin, Ireland.

My grandmother came >from the DON family >from nearby Pultusk in Poland.

Alice JOSEPHS
See my website at <A
HREF="http://members.tripod.co.uk/AliceJosephs/INDEX.HTM">
http://members.tripod.co.uk/AliceJosephs/INDEX.HTM</A>


Re: Grodno Forstatt #general

hennynow
 

My guess is that your Forstatt stands for the German word "die Vorstadt,"
which means "suburb."

Henriette Moed Roth
Los Angeles, California
hennynow@pacbell.net


Re: Port for St. Paul #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Could be most anything.

New York was the biggest port, many people took the Erie Canal to Buffalo
(you didn't have to walk). He could have changed to a Great Lakes ship
from there.
Of course, he could have done anything else-gone to Canada and south from
there. Started in Galveston and gone North. Landed in
Baltimore/Philadelphia/Boston/etc.... Maybe he went to Shanghai and landed
in a Pacific Port.

A lot depends on when and where he came from. If he came >from Eastern
Europe and had a less common name and you know an approximate year, try
Hamburg Passenger Lists which you can get at the Mormon Library or search
on-line for some years.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY


Re: Samuel? Simcha? Zalman? Shlomo? #general

Charles Mahler
 

<<< MBernett develops an interesting speculation about the ways names
start their own living.

In a message dated 3/15/2002 1:25:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
wyzansky@hotmail.com writes about his mother's uncle Samuel and on his
tombstone as Simcha but on his ketubah as Zalman.

It's easy how Simcha, in the USA, might chose a name Samuel, that is
Biblical, not exclusively Jewish, and less likely to be mispronounced
than his given name Simcha.

But Zalman? Yes, as the rabbi pointed out to Harold Wyzansky, the
person who ordered the tombstone may not have been familiar with his true
Hebrew name, and it is quite possible that he recalled simply that it
wasn't Samuel, but another Biblical name starting with a Shin.

<<<<So, why Zalman? Zalman is derived >from Shlomo = Solomon (the king)
= Salaman = Zalman. According to Beider, the Latin form of Salamanus for
a Jewish name dates back to Worms ca 1090, and Zalman (with the initial
Zayin) was first recorded in Hebrew in South Germany, as early as 1298.
In many communities Zalman remained simply a kinnuy associated with
Shlomo, i.e. Shlomo-Zalman, but in Eastern Europe especially, it took on
an independent existence, and was often coupled with the name Shne'or.
Shneor-Zalman of Lyady was the founder of Chabad (Lubovitsh) Hassidism,
and that name was borne by a number of his successors, including the
last Rebbe--and many of his followers and admirers. And Israel's third
president, originally known as Shneur-Zalman Rubashov took the Hebrew
acronym of his name, SHaZaR as his "Israelized' surname.

It is possible that Mr. Wyzanski's ancestor originally had the name
Shlomo-Zalman. In the ketubah, there is much more flexibility in
designating the groom's name, and if he was popularly named Zalman, even
if his "sacred" name was Shlomo, that would be satisfactory. In a get
(bill of divorce), on the other hand, all names by which that person was
ever known would have to be recorded in the document. Fortunately, a
get does not demand mentioning a name that exists only on the tombstone
Michael Bernet, New York>>>>><<<

I would like to at that my late grandfather Zalmen Lichtman was also
known as Callel and Bezallel and he was borne in Sendischow not that far
from Przemysl. Leaving Galicia for Vienne he became Zalman and changed
again in Holland to Zallel or Callel but on official papers he be called
Bezallel.

Everything is possible with the changes of names, some times there is a
link and sometimes a person got rid >from a less pleasing name and choose
a more fitting one.

Good luck
Charles Mahler
Looking for MAHLER, MARGULIES, LICHTMAN,INTRATOR, POSER


Port of entry for Minnesota immigrants -- Part 2 #general

Vladimir Tetelbaum
 

Hi,

Thank you everyone who responded to my original message. It was obvious
from many responses that the timeframe of the travel is critical. Here is
additional info:

The man Avrum SHAPOCHNIK (became Albert SHEPARD)travelled >from Odessa,
Ukraine sometime between 1910-1922 to St. Paul, Minnesota. His father came
through Ellis Island in 1923. I cound not find any close matches on Ellis
Island for Avrum/Albert.

The earliest record I have for Albert is in St. Paul directory in 1923
(nothing in 1922). So I am assuming right now that he immigrated closer
to 1922 than 1910.

Thanks,
Vlad Tetelbaum
Redwood City, CA


Re: MALINIAK meaning #general

Mark Maliniak <markmaliniak@...>
 

Hi

Thank you all. I now know the true meaning of my family name. So many of
you have come forward with information, and I only wish and hope, I can do
the same for you.

I look forward to hearing more >from you all and some more success stories.

Can I just take this small opportunity to say that until recently (in the
last six months) I never knew I was of Jewish descent. Shocking I know,
but we are a small family (Only two boys left!). To see so many stories
has lead me to feel as part of a bigger family and for that I am thankful!

God bless you all

Mark Maliniak


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family marriages #general

Eileen Price <eileen.price@...>
 

Dear Jenners,

I would like to add one more comment regarding family marriages. Some
parents took their sons and/or daughters to next size town to look for a
spouse. My father was born in Brest Litovsk, but he said his grandparents
were >from Biala Podlaska about 15 km. to the west of Brest Litovsk. He
said that his grandparents took their son to Brest Litovsk to look for a
bride which turned out to be my grandmother. I have a feeling that they
checked in with a matchmaker.

Years later, both of my parents who were born in Brest Litovsk, met at a
Brisker and Grodner picnic in Cleveland, Ohio. The matchmakers in that
case were friends who just happened to take a group of their friends to
the picnic. That still happens in a round about way, but we call it a
blind date.

Eileen Price
Denver, CO
eileen.price@att.net

Searching: Sarah Blecher GERSHENZON- Biala Podlaska to Detroit, MI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JOSEPHS (JABLOWSKI/YUBLOFSKY/YABLISKY) & ROSENBERG Ciechanow, Poland #general

Genealicej@...
 

Wow, I've just found out the previous name(s) of my JOSEPHS family from
Ciechenow, Poland plus the birth name of my JOSEPHS great grandmother
Judith (Yetta or Jette) ROSENBERG.

So is anybody looking for the JABLOWSKI/YUBLOFSKY/YABLISKY and ROSENBERG
families of Ciechanow? There may also be a connection with a JOSEPHS
family >from Belarus who settled in Dublin, Ireland.

My grandmother came >from the DON family >from nearby Pultusk in Poland.

Alice JOSEPHS
See my website at <A
HREF="http://members.tripod.co.uk/AliceJosephs/INDEX.HTM">
http://members.tripod.co.uk/AliceJosephs/INDEX.HTM</A>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Grodno Forstatt #general

hennynow
 

My guess is that your Forstatt stands for the German word "die Vorstadt,"
which means "suburb."

Henriette Moed Roth
Los Angeles, California
hennynow@pacbell.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Port for St. Paul #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Could be most anything.

New York was the biggest port, many people took the Erie Canal to Buffalo
(you didn't have to walk). He could have changed to a Great Lakes ship
from there.
Of course, he could have done anything else-gone to Canada and south from
there. Started in Galveston and gone North. Landed in
Baltimore/Philadelphia/Boston/etc.... Maybe he went to Shanghai and landed
in a Pacific Port.

A lot depends on when and where he came from. If he came >from Eastern
Europe and had a less common name and you know an approximate year, try
Hamburg Passenger Lists which you can get at the Mormon Library or search
on-line for some years.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Samuel? Simcha? Zalman? Shlomo? #general

Charles Mahler
 

<<< MBernett develops an interesting speculation about the ways names
start their own living.

In a message dated 3/15/2002 1:25:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
wyzansky@hotmail.com writes about his mother's uncle Samuel and on his
tombstone as Simcha but on his ketubah as Zalman.

It's easy how Simcha, in the USA, might chose a name Samuel, that is
Biblical, not exclusively Jewish, and less likely to be mispronounced
than his given name Simcha.

But Zalman? Yes, as the rabbi pointed out to Harold Wyzansky, the
person who ordered the tombstone may not have been familiar with his true
Hebrew name, and it is quite possible that he recalled simply that it
wasn't Samuel, but another Biblical name starting with a Shin.

<<<<So, why Zalman? Zalman is derived >from Shlomo = Solomon (the king)
= Salaman = Zalman. According to Beider, the Latin form of Salamanus for
a Jewish name dates back to Worms ca 1090, and Zalman (with the initial
Zayin) was first recorded in Hebrew in South Germany, as early as 1298.
In many communities Zalman remained simply a kinnuy associated with
Shlomo, i.e. Shlomo-Zalman, but in Eastern Europe especially, it took on
an independent existence, and was often coupled with the name Shne'or.
Shneor-Zalman of Lyady was the founder of Chabad (Lubovitsh) Hassidism,
and that name was borne by a number of his successors, including the
last Rebbe--and many of his followers and admirers. And Israel's third
president, originally known as Shneur-Zalman Rubashov took the Hebrew
acronym of his name, SHaZaR as his "Israelized' surname.

It is possible that Mr. Wyzanski's ancestor originally had the name
Shlomo-Zalman. In the ketubah, there is much more flexibility in
designating the groom's name, and if he was popularly named Zalman, even
if his "sacred" name was Shlomo, that would be satisfactory. In a get
(bill of divorce), on the other hand, all names by which that person was
ever known would have to be recorded in the document. Fortunately, a
get does not demand mentioning a name that exists only on the tombstone
Michael Bernet, New York>>>>><<<

I would like to at that my late grandfather Zalmen Lichtman was also
known as Callel and Bezallel and he was borne in Sendischow not that far
from Przemysl. Leaving Galicia for Vienne he became Zalman and changed
again in Holland to Zallel or Callel but on official papers he be called
Bezallel.

Everything is possible with the changes of names, some times there is a
link and sometimes a person got rid >from a less pleasing name and choose
a more fitting one.

Good luck
Charles Mahler
Looking for MAHLER, MARGULIES, LICHTMAN,INTRATOR, POSER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Port of entry for Minnesota immigrants -- Part 2 #general

Vladimir Tetelbaum
 

Hi,

Thank you everyone who responded to my original message. It was obvious
from many responses that the timeframe of the travel is critical. Here is
additional info:

The man Avrum SHAPOCHNIK (became Albert SHEPARD)travelled >from Odessa,
Ukraine sometime between 1910-1922 to St. Paul, Minnesota. His father came
through Ellis Island in 1923. I cound not find any close matches on Ellis
Island for Avrum/Albert.

The earliest record I have for Albert is in St. Paul directory in 1923
(nothing in 1922). So I am assuming right now that he immigrated closer
to 1922 than 1910.

Thanks,
Vlad Tetelbaum
Redwood City, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: MALINIAK meaning #general

Mark Maliniak <markmaliniak@...>
 

Hi

Thank you all. I now know the true meaning of my family name. So many of
you have come forward with information, and I only wish and hope, I can do
the same for you.

I look forward to hearing more >from you all and some more success stories.

Can I just take this small opportunity to say that until recently (in the
last six months) I never knew I was of Jewish descent. Shocking I know,
but we are a small family (Only two boys left!). To see so many stories
has lead me to feel as part of a bigger family and for that I am thankful!

God bless you all

Mark Maliniak


KOZMINEK near KALISZ #poland

madeleine
 

Indices for the town of KOZMINEK for the years 1880-1900 are available for
the following years

Births 1880-1900
Marriages 1885-1886 and 1889-1892

Kozminek is located just a few kilometers northeast of KALISZ. Some of the
other nearby towns include Opatowek, Stawiszyn, Rychwal, Tuliszkow, Turek,
Dobra, Warta, Sieradz, Blaszki, Ostrow Wielkopolskie, Mikstat, Kozmin, and
Pleszew.

All we need to raise is $85. A donation of $18 will get you the database.

The following is a list of the surnames >from Kozminek.

ARBUS KOZMINSKI
ARKUSZ KROL
ARONOWICZ KRUL
BAJER LACH
BAUM LANDEBERG
BEKER LANDSBERG
BERGER LANGE
BERKOWICZ LUSTER
BERN MAGNUSZEWER
BLASZKOWSKA MARKUSEWICZ
BLUM MONIC
BRODER MOSKOWICZ
BRUKS MOSZKEWICZ
BRUS MOSZKOWICZ
BRYKMAN NAJMAN
BRYSZ NEJMAN
BULKA NUCHOWICZ
BURZYN OLEWSKA
CHAFTKA OLEWSKI
CHENDELES OSTROWSKA
CHILDESCHAJM OSTROWSKI
CHIRDZ OZOROWICZ
CHIRSZ PERL
CUKER PERLE
DANEL PILC
DOBRZYNSKA RAKMAN
EJLENBERG RANEWICZ
EJLENBERK RAPALSKA
ELIASZEWICZ ROKMAN
FALEWICZ ROZENBAUM
FERENBACH ROZENBERG
FOGEL RUSEK
FRENKEL RUSSEK
FROIM SAMSON
FROMER SARNE
GELBART SERADSKI
GILDESCHAJM SERADZKA
GIRSZ SERADZKI
GLADSZTAJN SZADORKEWICZ
GLANTERNIK SZAFIR
GOLBERG SZKLAREK
GOLC SZLEZER
GOLDBERG SZLEZING
GOLDLICHT SZLEZINGER
GOLDMAN SZPEREK
GOTSZLING SZPIGEL
GOTSZMID SZRETER
GRANAS SZTAJNCHERT
GRYNBAUM SZTAJNERT
GRYNBERG SZTANKERT
GUMPRYCHT SZTARC
ICKOWICZ SZTERENBERG
illegible SZTERNBERG
IZRAJELSKI SZWARCMAN
JAKUBOWICZ TAUBE
JANOWER TONDOWSKI
JASINSKI TOPOR
KASZER UNGER
KATZ WAJC
KAUFMAN WAKSMAN
KEMPINSKA WARSZAWSKA
KEMPINSKI WARSZAWSKI
KINAS WIDAWSKA
KLAPER WIDAWSKI
KNOP WIGDOR
KNOPF WILGELM
KOLTON ZAJF
KOLTUN ZELKOWICZ
KON ZELMAN
KOPLEWICZ ZILBERMAN
KOT ZYGER
KOTT

For more information, please contact me.

Madeleine Okladek
Kalisz Archives Coordinator
E-mail: mokladek@aol.com


JRI Poland #Poland KOZMINEK near KALISZ #poland

madeleine
 

Indices for the town of KOZMINEK for the years 1880-1900 are available for
the following years

Births 1880-1900
Marriages 1885-1886 and 1889-1892

Kozminek is located just a few kilometers northeast of KALISZ. Some of the
other nearby towns include Opatowek, Stawiszyn, Rychwal, Tuliszkow, Turek,
Dobra, Warta, Sieradz, Blaszki, Ostrow Wielkopolskie, Mikstat, Kozmin, and
Pleszew.

All we need to raise is $85. A donation of $18 will get you the database.

The following is a list of the surnames >from Kozminek.

ARBUS KOZMINSKI
ARKUSZ KROL
ARONOWICZ KRUL
BAJER LACH
BAUM LANDEBERG
BEKER LANDSBERG
BERGER LANGE
BERKOWICZ LUSTER
BERN MAGNUSZEWER
BLASZKOWSKA MARKUSEWICZ
BLUM MONIC
BRODER MOSKOWICZ
BRUKS MOSZKEWICZ
BRUS MOSZKOWICZ
BRYKMAN NAJMAN
BRYSZ NEJMAN
BULKA NUCHOWICZ
BURZYN OLEWSKA
CHAFTKA OLEWSKI
CHENDELES OSTROWSKA
CHILDESCHAJM OSTROWSKI
CHIRDZ OZOROWICZ
CHIRSZ PERL
CUKER PERLE
DANEL PILC
DOBRZYNSKA RAKMAN
EJLENBERG RANEWICZ
EJLENBERK RAPALSKA
ELIASZEWICZ ROKMAN
FALEWICZ ROZENBAUM
FERENBACH ROZENBERG
FOGEL RUSEK
FRENKEL RUSSEK
FROIM SAMSON
FROMER SARNE
GELBART SERADSKI
GILDESCHAJM SERADZKA
GIRSZ SERADZKI
GLADSZTAJN SZADORKEWICZ
GLANTERNIK SZAFIR
GOLBERG SZKLAREK
GOLC SZLEZER
GOLDBERG SZLEZING
GOLDLICHT SZLEZINGER
GOLDMAN SZPEREK
GOTSZLING SZPIGEL
GOTSZMID SZRETER
GRANAS SZTAJNCHERT
GRYNBAUM SZTAJNERT
GRYNBERG SZTANKERT
GUMPRYCHT SZTARC
ICKOWICZ SZTERENBERG
illegible SZTERNBERG
IZRAJELSKI SZWARCMAN
JAKUBOWICZ TAUBE
JANOWER TONDOWSKI
JASINSKI TOPOR
KASZER UNGER
KATZ WAJC
KAUFMAN WAKSMAN
KEMPINSKA WARSZAWSKA
KEMPINSKI WARSZAWSKI
KINAS WIDAWSKA
KLAPER WIDAWSKI
KNOP WIGDOR
KNOPF WILGELM
KOLTON ZAJF
KOLTUN ZELKOWICZ
KON ZELMAN
KOPLEWICZ ZILBERMAN
KOT ZYGER
KOTT

For more information, please contact me.

Madeleine Okladek
Kalisz Archives Coordinator
E-mail: mokladek@aol.com


Baal Shem Tov Descendants #rabbinic

David Rosner
 

According to family legend, my great great grandmother, Sorah Leah
(maiden name unknown) LAUFER, was herself a great great grandaughter
of the Besh"t, via his grandson the Rabbi Baruch of Medzhibozh.

Does anyone in this sig happen to have any detailed genealogies for
the Besh"t or in particular his grandson Rabbi Baruch of Medzhibozh?
I have the names of Baruch's 3 daughters, and even their respective
husbands (all 3 prominent Hasidic rebbes).

Sorah Leah married Elkonoh Mechil LAUFER, and 1 of their 4 children
was my great grandmother Perel, who married Yehudah Leib ROSNER;
They are buried in Viznitz.

Perel and Yehudah had 5 children, the youngest being my paternal
grandfather, Isidore ROSNER.

David Rosner


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Baal Shem Tov Descendants #rabbinic

David Rosner
 

According to family legend, my great great grandmother, Sorah Leah
(maiden name unknown) LAUFER, was herself a great great grandaughter
of the Besh"t, via his grandson the Rabbi Baruch of Medzhibozh.

Does anyone in this sig happen to have any detailed genealogies for
the Besh"t or in particular his grandson Rabbi Baruch of Medzhibozh?
I have the names of Baruch's 3 daughters, and even their respective
husbands (all 3 prominent Hasidic rebbes).

Sorah Leah married Elkonoh Mechil LAUFER, and 1 of their 4 children
was my great grandmother Perel, who married Yehudah Leib ROSNER;
They are buried in Viznitz.

Perel and Yehudah had 5 children, the youngest being my paternal
grandfather, Isidore ROSNER.

David Rosner


Re: Port of St. Paul #general

David DuVal
 

Sally's right - where was he from? when was the trip? For what it's
worth, my gm came >from Liverpool to New York with 3 children (my aunts)
on the St. Paul in 1905. She was coming >from Borzna, Ukraine, following
her husband who had come the year before aboard the St. Louis.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Port of St. Paul #general

David DuVal
 

Sally's right - where was he from? when was the trip? For what it's
worth, my gm came >from Liverpool to New York with 3 children (my aunts)
on the St. Paul in 1905. She was coming >from Borzna, Ukraine, following
her husband who had come the year before aboard the St. Louis.