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BRAUDE of Kelme #rabbinic

ROBERT WEISS
 

In relation to my earlier communication concerning Braude
beginnings, I have not heard >from anyone but I have resolved the
matter of the descendancy tree >from R. Tzvi-Hirsh of Lazdiai to
my own satisfaction, and am now going on to the issue that is my
personal quest; i.e., Specifically, how am I related to the BRAUDE
family of Kelme?

I believe I have the relationship, but I would like to ask you
whether anyone can comment on my understanding of the descendants
of Rabbi Zvi-Hirsh son of Rabbi Joseph BRAUDE of Kelme.

..R. Jankel-Jona ben Zvi-Hirsh was born in 1782 in Kelme. His wife
was Roche, born in 1784. (>from 1816 Kelme Revizskaya Skaska).
....R. Boruch ben R. Jankel-Jona BRAUDE of Kelme. Rabbi in Rassein.
(estimated birthdate 1802)
......R. Aryeh-Leib ben R. Boruch. (estimated birthdate 1822)
........R. Meir or Meir-Leib ben R Aryeh Leib. (estimated birth-
date 1842)
..........R. Boruch LEIBOWITZ ben R. Meir
..........R. Yisroel ben R. Meir
..........R. Aharon ben R. Meir
............R. Aryeh Leib
..........Rachel ben R. Meir
..........R. Yakov ben R. Meir b. 1862
............R. Meir ben R. Yakov
............Dr. Boruch ben R. Yakov
........Moshe ben R Aryeh Leib BRAUDE (I am postulating that my
great grandfather Moshe ben Leib fits into this branch of
the BRAUDE tree at this point. My estimation of his birth-
date would be 1850 based on knowledge of my grandparents'
siblings' birthdates.)

I am asking you if you have any other more definitive information
on the persons and dates of the descendants of R. Zvi-Hirsh ben R.
Joseph of Kelme. Thank you for your time.

Bob Weiss in Northridge, CA
RWeissJGS@aol.com


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic BRAUDE of Kelme #rabbinic

ROBERT WEISS
 

In relation to my earlier communication concerning Braude
beginnings, I have not heard >from anyone but I have resolved the
matter of the descendancy tree >from R. Tzvi-Hirsh of Lazdiai to
my own satisfaction, and am now going on to the issue that is my
personal quest; i.e., Specifically, how am I related to the BRAUDE
family of Kelme?

I believe I have the relationship, but I would like to ask you
whether anyone can comment on my understanding of the descendants
of Rabbi Zvi-Hirsh son of Rabbi Joseph BRAUDE of Kelme.

..R. Jankel-Jona ben Zvi-Hirsh was born in 1782 in Kelme. His wife
was Roche, born in 1784. (>from 1816 Kelme Revizskaya Skaska).
....R. Boruch ben R. Jankel-Jona BRAUDE of Kelme. Rabbi in Rassein.
(estimated birthdate 1802)
......R. Aryeh-Leib ben R. Boruch. (estimated birthdate 1822)
........R. Meir or Meir-Leib ben R Aryeh Leib. (estimated birth-
date 1842)
..........R. Boruch LEIBOWITZ ben R. Meir
..........R. Yisroel ben R. Meir
..........R. Aharon ben R. Meir
............R. Aryeh Leib
..........Rachel ben R. Meir
..........R. Yakov ben R. Meir b. 1862
............R. Meir ben R. Yakov
............Dr. Boruch ben R. Yakov
........Moshe ben R Aryeh Leib BRAUDE (I am postulating that my
great grandfather Moshe ben Leib fits into this branch of
the BRAUDE tree at this point. My estimation of his birth-
date would be 1850 based on knowledge of my grandparents'
siblings' birthdates.)

I am asking you if you have any other more definitive information
on the persons and dates of the descendants of R. Zvi-Hirsh ben R.
Joseph of Kelme. Thank you for your time.

Bob Weiss in Northridge, CA
RWeissJGS@aol.com


Re: EIDB question #galicia

Sherribob@...
 

goog morning Galicia,

I believe that if the name is crossed out on the manifest with no other
writing indicating why, than it means the person did not sail on that ship,
for one reason or another.

If the person was refused entry at an American port, it should be stamped
with a notation to that effect next to the person's name.

regards,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Am Kedoshim - NYC Society to aid Galicia emigration - Questions #galicia

NFatouros@...
 

In a message dated 2/21/02 7:38:20 PM, alanboy@starpower.net writes:

<< I am reading a book, "In The Beginning," by Chaim Potok. The story

tells about an Am Kedoshim Society in New York which functioned in the

1920s-30s to aid emigration >from Galicia to America, helping those

financially and morally to come and settle in America. My questions

are:

1. What is the translation for Am Kedoshim?

2. Was/is there such a society Am Kedoshim anywhere?>>


"Am Kedoshim" means "Holy People." I think Potok's name for a committe which
gave aid overseas during the 1930's was a fictional one for the real "HIAS"
(Hebrew Immigrant Aid Association) or for "HICEM."

HICEM was formed around 1929 when the Jewish Colonial Association and HIAS
united to avoid duplication of efforts and the complications which could
arise >from such duplication.


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse; SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY,
Ostryna.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re:EIDB question #galicia

Sherribob@...
 

goog morning Galicia,

I believe that if the name is crossed out on the manifest with no other
writing indicating why, than it means the person did not sail on that ship,
for one reason or another.

If the person was refused entry at an American port, it should be stamped
with a notation to that effect next to the person's name.

regards,

Sherri Bobish


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Am Kedoshim - NYC Society to aid Galicia emigration - Questions #galicia

NFatouros@...
 

In a message dated 2/21/02 7:38:20 PM, alanboy@starpower.net writes:

<< I am reading a book, "In The Beginning," by Chaim Potok. The story

tells about an Am Kedoshim Society in New York which functioned in the

1920s-30s to aid emigration >from Galicia to America, helping those

financially and morally to come and settle in America. My questions

are:

1. What is the translation for Am Kedoshim?

2. Was/is there such a society Am Kedoshim anywhere?>>


"Am Kedoshim" means "Holy People." I think Potok's name for a committe which
gave aid overseas during the 1930's was a fictional one for the real "HIAS"
(Hebrew Immigrant Aid Association) or for "HICEM."

HICEM was formed around 1929 when the Jewish Colonial Association and HIAS
united to avoid duplication of efforts and the complications which could
arise >from such duplication.


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse; SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY,
Ostryna.


Re: GETILMAN (and variants), Passengers into Baltimore, MD #general

Jeanne Gold <Groupie@...>
 

Dear 'Genners,

I am sharing my response with the group as I've been asked this (and
similar questions) quite a number of times.

There is no online site I am aware of for searching Baltimore, MD
information. I used films I ordered at my local Family History Center
(FHC). You can find the one nearest to you by going to:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp

I found the information I posted in LDS #1,373,834 (microfilm reference
number located at the FHC):

"Index (Soundex) to passenger lists of vessels arriving at Baltimore,
1897-1952 (NARA Publication T0520) for G-165 Leib thru G-532 Jente"

The complete list of films available >from this series are:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C180%2C0&titleno=291580&disp=Index_%28Soundex%29_to_passenger_lists_of_ve

There is also an index (soundex) to this port for the years 1820-1937
(Federal passengers):
NARA: M327
LDS#: #417,212 (starting)
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=291580&disp=Index_(Soundex)_to_passenger_lists_of_ve&columns=*,180,0

And a last index (soudnex) to this port for the years 1833-1866 (City
passengers):
NARA: M326
LDS#: #821,565 (starting)
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=291611&disp=Index_to_passenger_lists_of_vessels_arri&columns=*,180,0

After you find the person in the index (soundex) you can then
find the original manifest by cross referencing the information with:

Passenger arrivals at the port of Baltimore, 1820-1834 : >from customs
passenger lists
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=290278&disp=Passenger_arrivals_at_the_port_of_Baltim&columns=*,180,0

Passenger lists of vessels arriving at Baltimore, 1820-1921 ;
Quarterly abstracts of passenger lists of vessels arriving at Baltimore,
1820-1869
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=65295&disp=Passenger_lists_of_vessels_arriving_at_B&columns=*,180,0

Ship passenger list, port of Baltimore, May to December 1874
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=360686&disp=Ship_passenger_list,_port_of_Baltimore,_&columns=*,180,0

Morton Allan directory of European passenger steamship arrivals : for
the years 1890 to 1930 at the Port of New York and for the years 1904 to
1926 at the ports of New York, Philadelphia, Boston, and Baltimore
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=542950&disp=Morton_Allan_directory_of_European_passe
-and-
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=117231&disp=Morton_Allan_directory_of_European_passe
-and-
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=139764&disp=Morton_Allan_directory_of_European_passe
-and-
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=649892&disp=Morton_Allan_directory_of_European_passe

The above information, and all other ports of entry, can be found at:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=679740&subject_disp=United_States_-_Emigration_and_immigration&first=101&last=804&columns=*,180,0

New York, and all other ports, can be search using the same methods. In
particular, you can search New York on line at:
http://www.EllisIsland.org/

However, if you want to search the NY records using the microfilm, I long
ago published the directions at:

http://www.digging4roots.com/ny-passengers/

Regards,

Jeanne Gold
CA, USA

MODERATOR NOTE: Some readers may need to cut and paste pieces of
the longer URLs into their browsers.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: GETILMAN (and variants), Passengers into Baltimore, MD #general

Jeanne Gold <Groupie@...>
 

Dear 'Genners,

I am sharing my response with the group as I've been asked this (and
similar questions) quite a number of times.

There is no online site I am aware of for searching Baltimore, MD
information. I used films I ordered at my local Family History Center
(FHC). You can find the one nearest to you by going to:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp

I found the information I posted in LDS #1,373,834 (microfilm reference
number located at the FHC):

"Index (Soundex) to passenger lists of vessels arriving at Baltimore,
1897-1952 (NARA Publication T0520) for G-165 Leib thru G-532 Jente"

The complete list of films available >from this series are:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C180%2C0&titleno=291580&disp=Index_%28Soundex%29_to_passenger_lists_of_ve

There is also an index (soundex) to this port for the years 1820-1937
(Federal passengers):
NARA: M327
LDS#: #417,212 (starting)
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=291580&disp=Index_(Soundex)_to_passenger_lists_of_ve&columns=*,180,0

And a last index (soudnex) to this port for the years 1833-1866 (City
passengers):
NARA: M326
LDS#: #821,565 (starting)
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=291611&disp=Index_to_passenger_lists_of_vessels_arri&columns=*,180,0

After you find the person in the index (soundex) you can then
find the original manifest by cross referencing the information with:

Passenger arrivals at the port of Baltimore, 1820-1834 : >from customs
passenger lists
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=290278&disp=Passenger_arrivals_at_the_port_of_Baltim&columns=*,180,0

Passenger lists of vessels arriving at Baltimore, 1820-1921 ;
Quarterly abstracts of passenger lists of vessels arriving at Baltimore,
1820-1869
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=65295&disp=Passenger_lists_of_vessels_arriving_at_B&columns=*,180,0

Ship passenger list, port of Baltimore, May to December 1874
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=360686&disp=Ship_passenger_list,_port_of_Baltimore,_&columns=*,180,0

Morton Allan directory of European passenger steamship arrivals : for
the years 1890 to 1930 at the Port of New York and for the years 1904 to
1926 at the ports of New York, Philadelphia, Boston, and Baltimore
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=542950&disp=Morton_Allan_directory_of_European_passe
-and-
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=117231&disp=Morton_Allan_directory_of_European_passe
-and-
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=139764&disp=Morton_Allan_directory_of_European_passe
-and-
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=649892&disp=Morton_Allan_directory_of_European_passe

The above information, and all other ports of entry, can be found at:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=679740&subject_disp=United_States_-_Emigration_and_immigration&first=101&last=804&columns=*,180,0

New York, and all other ports, can be search using the same methods. In
particular, you can search New York on line at:
http://www.EllisIsland.org/

However, if you want to search the NY records using the microfilm, I long
ago published the directions at:

http://www.digging4roots.com/ny-passengers/

Regards,

Jeanne Gold
CA, USA

MODERATOR NOTE: Some readers may need to cut and paste pieces of
the longer URLs into their browsers.


Changing Last Names in Hungary #hungary

Ed Zwieback <ezwiebac@...>
 

The names discussion has been most interesting. Maybe of interest were
the names given to my cousins born in NagyKanizsa, Zala, around 1900.
These were 4 children born to Samuel KOHN (born 1869) and Gisele POLLAK
(born 1876); 2 daughters and 2 sons. The 2 sons were named Gyozo and
Erno KIRALY, the 2 daughters were named Ilona and Olga KOHN. I obtained
all of these names >from Birth Certificates provided recently by the
N.Kanizsa City Archives. It is my understanding that the sons were
given "non-jewish" last names to provide better career opportunities.

Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, CA, USA
POLLAK family page at
http://home1.gte.net/ezwiebac/pollak/


Hungary SIG #Hungary Changing Last Names in Hungary #hungary

Ed Zwieback <ezwiebac@...>
 

The names discussion has been most interesting. Maybe of interest were
the names given to my cousins born in NagyKanizsa, Zala, around 1900.
These were 4 children born to Samuel KOHN (born 1869) and Gisele POLLAK
(born 1876); 2 daughters and 2 sons. The 2 sons were named Gyozo and
Erno KIRALY, the 2 daughters were named Ilona and Olga KOHN. I obtained
all of these names >from Birth Certificates provided recently by the
N.Kanizsa City Archives. It is my understanding that the sons were
given "non-jewish" last names to provide better career opportunities.

Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, CA, USA
POLLAK family page at
http://home1.gte.net/ezwiebac/pollak/


Translation assistance - Slovak #hungary

bhi cc <bhicc@...>
 

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/source/vm1312.html

Above is a link to a brief letter (2 sentences long)
received >from the Slovak National Archive in response
to a request for information >from the 1930
Czechoslovakian census.

Translation assistance would be greatly appreciated.
As requested by the List Moderators, please send
responses directly to me.

Thanks!

J0NATHAN MARK H0RN


Researching: ALEXANDER (Peklan, Secovce, Uzhgorod),
DAVID (Szaszfalu), FITON (Bessarabia),HORN (Hungary),
KLEIN (Secovce, Uzhgorod), NEMETZ (Romania)


Re: Names #belarus

George Farkas <gfarkas@...>
 

The two that I can think of immediately are 1908 and 1911, but if I check
through the data base, I believe I will find some both earlier and later.

George Farkas
Montreal

At 09:13 AM 21/02/2002 -0500, Peter I. Hidas wrote:


My FARKAS family was Orthodox and observant and included Haredim and yet we
have the names Arpad and Zoltan in the family.
When were they born?



Peter I. Hidas


Hungary SIG #Hungary Translation assistance - Slovak #hungary

bhi cc <bhicc@...>
 

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/source/vm1312.html

Above is a link to a brief letter (2 sentences long)
received >from the Slovak National Archive in response
to a request for information >from the 1930
Czechoslovakian census.

Translation assistance would be greatly appreciated.
As requested by the List Moderators, please send
responses directly to me.

Thanks!

J0NATHAN MARK H0RN


Researching: ALEXANDER (Peklan, Secovce, Uzhgorod),
DAVID (Szaszfalu), FITON (Bessarabia),HORN (Hungary),
KLEIN (Secovce, Uzhgorod), NEMETZ (Romania)


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Names #hungary

George Farkas <gfarkas@...>
 

The two that I can think of immediately are 1908 and 1911, but if I check
through the data base, I believe I will find some both earlier and later.

George Farkas
Montreal

At 09:13 AM 21/02/2002 -0500, Peter I. Hidas wrote:


My FARKAS family was Orthodox and observant and included Haredim and yet we
have the names Arpad and Zoltan in the family.
When were they born?



Peter I. Hidas


Re: etymology of Attila #hungary

AttilaRona@...
 

I thought he was buried in the River Tisza.

Attila Rona

Moderator VK: Let's end this thread and return to discussions of Hungarian Jewish genealogy.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: etymology of Attila #hungary

AttilaRona@...
 

I thought he was buried in the River Tisza.

Attila Rona

Moderator VK: Let's end this thread and return to discussions of Hungarian Jewish genealogy.


Koszeben ? #hungary

BORMANJL@...
 

Hello,
I have found a possible relative on the EIDB, Rezi ENGEL. Her place of residence was Koszeben, ethnicity Hebrew, Hungarian. I cannot find Koszeben. Any ideas?

Thanks,
Julie Maltz Borman
Los Angeles, CA

Moderator VK; I suspect that you're looking for Kis-Szeben (now Sabinov, Slovakia) in Saros megye, about 16 km northwest of Presov (formerly Eperjes). My father's oldest sister Blanka NEUMANN was born there as were his cousins Iren and Aliz MOSKOVITS, daughters of my great-uncle Gyula MOSKOVITS and his wife Terezia KLEIN.


copyright law #hungary

Joyce Field
 

I want to thank Caroline McCullough for her message about copyright
law and photographs. Because of the very issues she describes,
JewishGen has required donor agreements for submission of text and
data and photograph donor agreements for donations of photos to
ensure that the person who donates material has the right to do so.

JewishGen has been in the forefront of requiring donor agreements and
Caroline's very cogent message makes very clear why we do so.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP Research


Re: etymology of Attila #hungary

Gábor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

Robert Neu schrieb:

" Then you have the story of his body and riches having been buried
somewhere in the middle of the Danube, with all those who prepared the
burial and therefore knew the place,when the river covered the spot
again.!
Robert Neu
--- Cnydorf@aol.com wrote:
As I recollect, Attila was burried in three coffins of different metals,
if I am correct lead, iron and silver or gold. There also several
articles to be find on the Internet, by chance I looked the "Pallas nagy
Lexikon", there was nothing written of the place / river where the
burial took place. I remembered it was thze Tisza, which we learned to
be the most Hungarian river, its source is in Hungary and ends in
Hungary. In the Internet I have learned an other story. "Jászberény. a
monda szerint Attila városa, kinek vára a ferenciek kolostorának helyén,
sirja a Zagyva medrében volna." According the legend, Jaszbereny was
the city of Attila, his castle was on the place where later the
cloister of the Franciscan was build and his grave is in the river
Zagyva. So now we have three rivers for Attila's burial, Danube, Tisza
and Zagyva, to choose from.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


Hungary SIG #Hungary Koszeben ? #hungary

BORMANJL@...
 

Hello,
I have found a possible relative on the EIDB, Rezi ENGEL. Her place of residence was Koszeben, ethnicity Hebrew, Hungarian. I cannot find Koszeben. Any ideas?

Thanks,
Julie Maltz Borman
Los Angeles, CA

Moderator VK; I suspect that you're looking for Kis-Szeben (now Sabinov, Slovakia) in Saros megye, about 16 km northwest of Presov (formerly Eperjes). My father's oldest sister Blanka NEUMANN was born there as were his cousins Iren and Aliz MOSKOVITS, daughters of my great-uncle Gyula MOSKOVITS and his wife Terezia KLEIN.