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British marriage of Marlene PHILLIPS and Ivor SHAPIRO, Hackney 1970 #general

Arbe <docarbe@...>
 

Looking for any relatives of Marlene & Ivor Shapiro married in Hackney in
1970. Any information please contact me.

Arbe Cohen
Texas


Who asked for Margol's handout? #general

Joan Parker <housemom@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Someone read about the JGS Miami having Howard Margol as our speaker and
emailed me to send her the handout if any.

Somewhere, along the line I accidentally erased the request but thought I
remembered who had asked, so I sent it to her. She replied that she was
not the one.

Whomever you are, please contact me.
Joan Parker
President,
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.

Searching: GOLDBERG and GOODSTEIN-Russia and Brooklyn, NY; PINKUS and
WINOGRAD-Odessa, Ukraine and Brooklyn, NY; GELFAND-Minsk and Bronx, NY;
YEHUDIS; KATZ, Bronx, NY

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


KOLSKI later COLE-Cardiff #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

I am searching for Ellis COLE, originally KOLSKI,
born 1922 in Cardiff. His mother Elsie nee MICHAELS
COLE died in childbirth & I imagine that's why he was
called Ellis (>from Elsie). His father was Jack Cole,
probably born Jacob KOLSKI.

I don't know what happened to him.

The MICHAELS family were 14 children from
Islington, progeny of Max MICHAELIS & Fanny
POSNER.

I am slowly tracing them.

Miriam Margolyes
London
e-mail: 75342.3217@compuserve.com

searching: GELBORD (Grodno, Edinburgh & USA)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen British marriage of Marlene PHILLIPS and Ivor SHAPIRO, Hackney 1970 #general

Arbe <docarbe@...>
 

Looking for any relatives of Marlene & Ivor Shapiro married in Hackney in
1970. Any information please contact me.

Arbe Cohen
Texas


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Who asked for Margol's handout? #general

Joan Parker <housemom@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Someone read about the JGS Miami having Howard Margol as our speaker and
emailed me to send her the handout if any.

Somewhere, along the line I accidentally erased the request but thought I
remembered who had asked, so I sent it to her. She replied that she was
not the one.

Whomever you are, please contact me.
Joan Parker
President,
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.

Searching: GOLDBERG and GOODSTEIN-Russia and Brooklyn, NY; PINKUS and
WINOGRAD-Odessa, Ukraine and Brooklyn, NY; GELFAND-Minsk and Bronx, NY;
YEHUDIS; KATZ, Bronx, NY

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen KOLSKI later COLE-Cardiff #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

I am searching for Ellis COLE, originally KOLSKI,
born 1922 in Cardiff. His mother Elsie nee MICHAELS
COLE died in childbirth & I imagine that's why he was
called Ellis (>from Elsie). His father was Jack Cole,
probably born Jacob KOLSKI.

I don't know what happened to him.

The MICHAELS family were 14 children from
Islington, progeny of Max MICHAELIS & Fanny
POSNER.

I am slowly tracing them.

Miriam Margolyes
London
e-mail: 75342.3217@compuserve.com

searching: GELBORD (Grodno, Edinburgh & USA)


Re: Death certificate NOT a primary source of birth information #general

Steve and Dara Snyder <cat2steve@...>
 

In a message dated 2/18/02 1:07:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
auletta1@mindspring.com (Gloria Bailey) wrote

<< I would like to point out that a death certificate is a primary
source only for the death information -- date, place, etc. It is
a secondary source for the information provided by the informant -
usually a surviving family member.>>

Here's an unusual twist. How about the deceased person
providing this information to a doctor or hospital before
his/her death?!?!

This has been a long-time puzzle, involving info on my
father's death certificate. On his death cert., his
mother's maiden name is given as "TIVINSKY." Well, I knew
immediately that was wrong. It's KANTER. My father and aunt
both told me this a long time ago, while they were still alive.
So I asked my step-mother (who knew nothing about his ancestors)
where this name came from. She had no idea. So where *did* that
name on the death cert. come from? And who supplied it?

Fast forward a few years. After much research, I found that my
dad's ggf's surname was TAVAN, but had no idea as to the original
pre Anglicized name. But since it's an unusual surname, I wrote
to all 15 people in the US with that surname and was quickly
contacted by a newly discovered third cousin. He knew that the
family name was originally something like TEVYANSKY. Thinking
back to my dad's death certificate, it hit me that TIVINSKY and
TEVYANSKY are probably variations of the same name!

So the question is, who provided the TIVINSKY surname that
appears on my father's death certificate? And when? Did my
father fill out a form asking for family information at a
Doctor's office long before he became ill?

An interesting question.

Steve Snyder
cat2steve@comcast.net (formerly cat2steve@home.com)
Reston, VA
researcher #2561


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Death certificate NOT a primary source of birth information #general

Steve and Dara Snyder <cat2steve@...>
 

In a message dated 2/18/02 1:07:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
auletta1@mindspring.com (Gloria Bailey) wrote

<< I would like to point out that a death certificate is a primary
source only for the death information -- date, place, etc. It is
a secondary source for the information provided by the informant -
usually a surviving family member.>>

Here's an unusual twist. How about the deceased person
providing this information to a doctor or hospital before
his/her death?!?!

This has been a long-time puzzle, involving info on my
father's death certificate. On his death cert., his
mother's maiden name is given as "TIVINSKY." Well, I knew
immediately that was wrong. It's KANTER. My father and aunt
both told me this a long time ago, while they were still alive.
So I asked my step-mother (who knew nothing about his ancestors)
where this name came from. She had no idea. So where *did* that
name on the death cert. come from? And who supplied it?

Fast forward a few years. After much research, I found that my
dad's ggf's surname was TAVAN, but had no idea as to the original
pre Anglicized name. But since it's an unusual surname, I wrote
to all 15 people in the US with that surname and was quickly
contacted by a newly discovered third cousin. He knew that the
family name was originally something like TEVYANSKY. Thinking
back to my dad's death certificate, it hit me that TIVINSKY and
TEVYANSKY are probably variations of the same name!

So the question is, who provided the TIVINSKY surname that
appears on my father's death certificate? And when? Did my
father fill out a form asking for family information at a
Doctor's office long before he became ill?

An interesting question.

Steve Snyder
cat2steve@comcast.net (formerly cat2steve@home.com)
Reston, VA
researcher #2561


Searching HELLMAN, Max/Mordechai, Mary/Miriam #belarus

Rlberliner@...
 

I am still trying to help my cousin find his grandfather, Max HELLMAN. We
believe he was born in Russia or Prussia. He had a sister who was known as
Mary but her Hebrew name could have been Miriam. Max' Hebrew name was
probably Mordechai.

We know Max married Annie JACOBS >from Poznan who immigrated to London and
then to the U.S. >from 1879 to 1882. She lived in Baltimore and we believe
married there and she and Max later moved to Brooklyn and the Bronx in NY.
Their first child was Abraham Joseph HELLMAN, born in 1889 in Baltimore. They
had 6 living children.

I have received replies >from wonderful genners with suggestions of searching
the 1910,1920 and 1930 census. One was even kind enough to search for us and
she did, in fact, find this family on the 1910 census herself and forward the
information.

This continued search is to try to find Max's country of origin and obtain a
birth certificate, in addition to checking with Baltimore, MD to find a
marriage license. There is that possibility that with Baltimore being so
Yiddishkite, and the family being Orthodox, that they got married in the
synagogue, probably Aitz Chaim which included Annie's parents, Joseph and
Rachel, as among the founders. They may not even have gotten a civil marriage
license, but we hope they did. Aitz is now defunct but we are checking
records in the Baltimore Jewish Archives and History Museum.

If any of these names appear on your family tree, or are familiar to you in
any way, please contact me privately. It will be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,
Rachelle Leaf Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@aol.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Searching HELLMAN, Max/Mordechai, Mary/Miriam #belarus

Rlberliner@...
 

I am still trying to help my cousin find his grandfather, Max HELLMAN. We
believe he was born in Russia or Prussia. He had a sister who was known as
Mary but her Hebrew name could have been Miriam. Max' Hebrew name was
probably Mordechai.

We know Max married Annie JACOBS >from Poznan who immigrated to London and
then to the U.S. >from 1879 to 1882. She lived in Baltimore and we believe
married there and she and Max later moved to Brooklyn and the Bronx in NY.
Their first child was Abraham Joseph HELLMAN, born in 1889 in Baltimore. They
had 6 living children.

I have received replies >from wonderful genners with suggestions of searching
the 1910,1920 and 1930 census. One was even kind enough to search for us and
she did, in fact, find this family on the 1910 census herself and forward the
information.

This continued search is to try to find Max's country of origin and obtain a
birth certificate, in addition to checking with Baltimore, MD to find a
marriage license. There is that possibility that with Baltimore being so
Yiddishkite, and the family being Orthodox, that they got married in the
synagogue, probably Aitz Chaim which included Annie's parents, Joseph and
Rachel, as among the founders. They may not even have gotten a civil marriage
license, but we hope they did. Aitz is now defunct but we are checking
records in the Baltimore Jewish Archives and History Museum.

If any of these names appear on your family tree, or are familiar to you in
any way, please contact me privately. It will be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,
Rachelle Leaf Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@aol.com


Re: ancestry.com and NYTimes indices #general

Edward Rosenbaum <erosenbaum@...>
 

Anita Citron wrote

The NYT has a "Personal Name" index which lists ALL the names that have
appeared in the NYTimes regardless of section--this includes all obits,
paid or otherwise. There is also a separate Obit Index.
I spoke to ProQuest today, the company that indexed the backfiles of the
New York 1851-1998, and was told that the following locations in the New
York/New Jersey area currently have a subscription to this index:

1. Princeton University
2. Monmouth University
3. Clark library
4. City University of the City of New York

-Edward Rosenbaum
Bergenfield, NJ
Webmaster, Belarus SIG (http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus)
President, JGS of Bergen County, New Jersey
(http://erosenbaum.netfirms.com/jgsbc)
email: erosenbaum@yahoo.com
url: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/4900/

Researching
AARONSON (Russia), BELLER (Slonim, Belarus), BUDNA/BUDNE (Brok and Ostrow
Maz Poland), GRUNDFAST (Belarus), HOFFMAN/OFMAN, (Brok and Ostrow
Mazowiecka Poland), KRIEGEL, MONKA (Przasnysz, Poland), NOVAK (Makow,
Poland), ROSENBAUM (Svezhkovtse and Khmeleva, Galicia), ROSOFF, ROTTENBERG
(Galicia), SHATZ/SHISHATZKY/SZYSZACKI (Lunna and Porozovo, Belarus),
SILVERBLATT, YOSKOWITZ (Wyshkow, Poland)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: ancestry.com and NYTimes indices #general

Edward Rosenbaum <erosenbaum@...>
 

Anita Citron wrote

The NYT has a "Personal Name" index which lists ALL the names that have
appeared in the NYTimes regardless of section--this includes all obits,
paid or otherwise. There is also a separate Obit Index.
I spoke to ProQuest today, the company that indexed the backfiles of the
New York 1851-1998, and was told that the following locations in the New
York/New Jersey area currently have a subscription to this index:

1. Princeton University
2. Monmouth University
3. Clark library
4. City University of the City of New York

-Edward Rosenbaum
Bergenfield, NJ
Webmaster, Belarus SIG (http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus)
President, JGS of Bergen County, New Jersey
(http://erosenbaum.netfirms.com/jgsbc)
email: erosenbaum@yahoo.com
url: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/4900/

Researching
AARONSON (Russia), BELLER (Slonim, Belarus), BUDNA/BUDNE (Brok and Ostrow
Maz Poland), GRUNDFAST (Belarus), HOFFMAN/OFMAN, (Brok and Ostrow
Mazowiecka Poland), KRIEGEL, MONKA (Przasnysz, Poland), NOVAK (Makow,
Poland), ROSENBAUM (Svezhkovtse and Khmeleva, Galicia), ROSOFF, ROTTENBERG
(Galicia), SHATZ/SHISHATZKY/SZYSZACKI (Lunna and Porozovo, Belarus),
SILVERBLATT, YOSKOWITZ (Wyshkow, Poland)


Group Trip To Lithuania & Nearby Areas #general

Howard Margol <homargol@...>
 

Due to the interest expressed, I am organizing another trip to Lithuania –
June 12, 2002 to June 22, 2002. This will be the 9th group trip I have
organized and led to Lithuania.

Included - visits to the various Archives, synagogues, ghettos, holocaust
sites, meetings with Jewish leaders, sight-seeing, guide/interpreters, and
two/three days to visit and spend time in your shtetl, or shtetlach of
interest. All meals (except l dinner & 2 lunches) are included, the finest
hotels (new & modern), modern bus with onboard toilet, and much more. I am
very familiar with the Archives, the archivists, Lithuania and the main
places of Jewish interest.

I do not organize these group trips as a profit-making endeavor.
Everything is done “at cost with group rates” but in a deluxe manner. My
main object is to encourage Jews to go back to their roots, to encourage
them to research their ancestors and to enable them to see the rebirth of
Judaism taking place in Lithuania.

Important: This trip is not being sponsored or endorsed by Jewishgen. My
previous trip participants can be contacted if references are desired.

For details and a full itinerary of the trip, contact Howard Margol,
Atlanta, GA. E-mail; homargol@aol.com Do not respond to homargol@hotmail.com
*Very Important*: Do not ask about this trip through a message to the
Digest.
*Contact me directly* at homargol@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers offers tours to a
variety of locations. To see their dates and itineraries, visit
<http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSchleppers/>.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Group Trip To Lithuania & Nearby Areas #general

Howard Margol <homargol@...>
 

Due to the interest expressed, I am organizing another trip to Lithuania –
June 12, 2002 to June 22, 2002. This will be the 9th group trip I have
organized and led to Lithuania.

Included - visits to the various Archives, synagogues, ghettos, holocaust
sites, meetings with Jewish leaders, sight-seeing, guide/interpreters, and
two/three days to visit and spend time in your shtetl, or shtetlach of
interest. All meals (except l dinner & 2 lunches) are included, the finest
hotels (new & modern), modern bus with onboard toilet, and much more. I am
very familiar with the Archives, the archivists, Lithuania and the main
places of Jewish interest.

I do not organize these group trips as a profit-making endeavor.
Everything is done “at cost with group rates” but in a deluxe manner. My
main object is to encourage Jews to go back to their roots, to encourage
them to research their ancestors and to enable them to see the rebirth of
Judaism taking place in Lithuania.

Important: This trip is not being sponsored or endorsed by Jewishgen. My
previous trip participants can be contacted if references are desired.

For details and a full itinerary of the trip, contact Howard Margol,
Atlanta, GA. E-mail; homargol@aol.com Do not respond to homargol@hotmail.com
*Very Important*: Do not ask about this trip through a message to the
Digest.
*Contact me directly* at homargol@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers offers tours to a
variety of locations. To see their dates and itineraries, visit
<http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSchleppers/>.


Greenberg #yiddish

Sue Gardner <sue.gardner@...>
 

I am wondering if anyone knows anything about Vaudeville in Montreal in
the 1930s. My grandfather who was a Greenberg was somehow involved in
the theatre there. I do not know the capacity. He owned an Indian
Motorcycle. This was all in the early 30s. I would love to locate my
Greenberg line. Unfortunately due to circumstances beyond my control, I
do not know my grandfather's first name making the search for decendents
very trying. I am really hoping to learn when the Greenbergs came to
Montreal and via which route. Also where did they originate. If anyone
has any information or knows the names of the vaudeville circut theatres
in Montreal, I would love to hear >from you. You could email me
directly.

Thanks
Sue


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre Greenberg #yiddish

Sue Gardner <sue.gardner@...>
 

I am wondering if anyone knows anything about Vaudeville in Montreal in
the 1930s. My grandfather who was a Greenberg was somehow involved in
the theatre there. I do not know the capacity. He owned an Indian
Motorcycle. This was all in the early 30s. I would love to locate my
Greenberg line. Unfortunately due to circumstances beyond my control, I
do not know my grandfather's first name making the search for decendents
very trying. I am really hoping to learn when the Greenbergs came to
Montreal and via which route. Also where did they originate. If anyone
has any information or knows the names of the vaudeville circut theatres
in Montreal, I would love to hear >from you. You could email me
directly.

Thanks
Sue


JFRA Ra'anana Wednesday March 6 meeting #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

JFRA/ESRA Ra'anana is pleased to invite all
researchers to our next meeting:

"My search for family in Argentina,"
with Marcia Chamovitz

Date: Wednesday, March 6
Time: Program, 7 pm;
English presentation, 7.30 pm
At: Bet Fischer, 5 Klausner St., Ra'anana

Marcia's interest in family history research began
decades ago. Her father, originally >from Kamenetz
Podolya knew he had many first cousins, but contact
between the branches ended about 110 years ago.
After pursuing internet and other sources, she found
that her grandmother's brother had arrived in Argentina
in 1889.
In other resources, she discovered that he was one of
the founders of the Moisesville colony and was one of
the first burials in the Moisesville cemetery.
Eighteen months ago, Marcia and her husband David
visited Argentina and located many relatives.
The story of her discoveries was just printed in
the Winter 2001 issue of Avotaynu.
Brooklyn-born Marcia made aliya with her physician
husband David in 1984. They have two children and five
grandchildren. Marcia is president of Hadassah Tel
Aviv, and also volunteers in various capacities with
AACI (Association of Americans and Canadians in
Israel).

JFRA members, NIS 5 (facility fee); others, NIS 15.

For more information, contact:
JFRA/ESRA Ra'anana chairperson Ingrid Rockberger,
<ingrid_100@hotmail.com>, or JFRA programming
director Diana Sommer, <tiigrs@matav.net.il>.

We look forward to greeting you on Wednesday.

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
JFRA publicity chair
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JFRA Ra'anana Wednesday March 6 meeting #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

JFRA/ESRA Ra'anana is pleased to invite all
researchers to our next meeting:

"My search for family in Argentina,"
with Marcia Chamovitz

Date: Wednesday, March 6
Time: Program, 7 pm;
English presentation, 7.30 pm
At: Bet Fischer, 5 Klausner St., Ra'anana

Marcia's interest in family history research began
decades ago. Her father, originally >from Kamenetz
Podolya knew he had many first cousins, but contact
between the branches ended about 110 years ago.
After pursuing internet and other sources, she found
that her grandmother's brother had arrived in Argentina
in 1889.
In other resources, she discovered that he was one of
the founders of the Moisesville colony and was one of
the first burials in the Moisesville cemetery.
Eighteen months ago, Marcia and her husband David
visited Argentina and located many relatives.
The story of her discoveries was just printed in
the Winter 2001 issue of Avotaynu.
Brooklyn-born Marcia made aliya with her physician
husband David in 1984. They have two children and five
grandchildren. Marcia is president of Hadassah Tel
Aviv, and also volunteers in various capacities with
AACI (Association of Americans and Canadians in
Israel).

JFRA members, NIS 5 (facility fee); others, NIS 15.

For more information, contact:
JFRA/ESRA Ra'anana chairperson Ingrid Rockberger,
<ingrid_100@hotmail.com>, or JFRA programming
director Diana Sommer, <tiigrs@matav.net.il>.

We look forward to greeting you on Wednesday.

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
JFRA publicity chair
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net


Feb. 24 JGS of Long Island Meeting #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society invites you to attend our next meeting.
Our guest speaker is Don Eckerle, president of the German genealogy
group. Don will talk about World War I Draft Registration Cards. He
will tell us how and where to access these records and what genealogical
information is contained in them.

Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002
Time: 2:00 PM
Place: Mid-Island Y JCC 45 Manetto Hill Road Plainview, New York

"Mispocha Mavens" will be available >from 1:30 on to take your questions.
Admission is free. Coffee and Cake will be served.

For more information please contact Rhoda-rmiller871@aol.com

Jackie Wasserstein
Past President


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Feb. 24 JGS of Long Island Meeting #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society invites you to attend our next meeting.
Our guest speaker is Don Eckerle, president of the German genealogy
group. Don will talk about World War I Draft Registration Cards. He
will tell us how and where to access these records and what genealogical
information is contained in them.

Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002
Time: 2:00 PM
Place: Mid-Island Y JCC 45 Manetto Hill Road Plainview, New York

"Mispocha Mavens" will be available >from 1:30 on to take your questions.
Admission is free. Coffee and Cake will be served.

For more information please contact Rhoda-rmiller871@aol.com

Jackie Wasserstein
Past President