Re: Please help me identify the people in this family Ferein photo in Cleveland, OH #usa

Sherri Bobish

Hi Elise,

Have you checked to see if the society's records were donated?

From above site:
"Landsmanshaft Records at the Center for Jewish History 
You may search CJH’s online catalog at
by either the organization name or the town name"


Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

What To Do When You've Hit A Brick Wall #general

Alan Reische

I've made immense progress since I started 5-6 years ago, largely through the generosity of JewishGen members, but I seem to have hit a brick wall. Here briefly is where I am:

  • I have found my paternal GGFather, and likely his father too but in the latter case, no surname
  • I have found my GGFather's grave, and that and my GGMother's stones have been translated for me.
  • I have found my GFather's naturalization petition.
  • I have traced the family through every available census from 1895 on, with much help from members.
  • I have identified two siblings of my grandfather I knew nothing about, and in fact have communicated with a cousin from one of the branches, but she unfortunately is even further behind her search than I am.
  • The family consistently lists themselves as 'Austrian', except for pre-marriage when my GFather lists himself as Galician. However, my GMother Stein was from Koenigsburg and was echt German, and it is likely post-marriage that she influenced the description of country of origin, given the disregard many German Jews had for their Galitsianer co-religionists. There are family stories to that effect.
  • The spelling of the family name appears unique for Jews. I haven't found other Jewish families with that spelling although it is not uncommon with non-Jewish Germans. There are of course many Jewish names that are variants, such as 'Reich'.
  • The name suggests some ties to Rzeszow on my GGFather's part, and in Yiddish the city name appears as 'Reischa' and residents as 'Reischers'. Rzeszow's Jews were significantly German-speaking. The surname, as poointed out, does not mean he currently lived in Rzeszow, it describes where he originated from when he lived in a different area.
  • My GGMother apparently came from Przeclaw,(from her stone) which is @ 25 miles from Rzeszow. So, all indications are the paternal family and my GGFather came from somewhere in that area, and the likelihood that my GFather, a Galitsianer, could meet with approval from the German Steins would have been marginally better as he was likely German speaking and fit more comfortably into the Stein family.
  • But that's speculation, and I can't get beyond that. My GFather's naturalization papers indicated he arrived very specifically on June 15 1879, except Steve Morse tells me no ships arrived in NY on that date, or at least have manifests, and on various occasions family members stated they arrived in 1880 or 1881.
  • My GFather states a very specific birth date of March 3, 1874, but no manifest for anything close to that date lists him. I've conducted searches with a wide variety of different data, ranging from GGmother to siblings and nothing close turns up. Specifically, the name 'Reische' as I've spelled it does not appear as such in any of the European records I've searched so far, and I have never found a Jewish family with that spelling from 1879 going forward.
  • That generation is of course long gone. There's one surviving cousin that I'm close with but he doesn't know much more. Cousin from the newly discovered branches is helpful with what she has, which isn't much. So, where else can I go?
I think I've developed snow blindness, if you will and would welcome any suggestions. I've been through the idea of burial societies and have more work to do there, but can't think of other resources I should look at. Perhaps its just one of those eternal mysteries you can't solve at this late date.

One brief digression: my cousin from the newly discovered branch sent me a photo of her GGMother and GGFather; my father would have been their nephew. Her GGFather is looking straight into the camera. It is as if my long dead father's eyes were staring back at me.It gives me a frisson just to think about it.

Re: Removing initial I from names #names

Dr.Josef ASH

Surnames appeared only some two hundred years ago.
Until that men used names. And continued to do the same.

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Re: French Naturalization #france

David Choukroun

@ Carol, Ilya,
to find the decret reference, you have to search into the "Journal Officiel de la République Française"

via for exemple;2

If you send me the name in private, I can probably search quickly for you


David Choukroun
Paris, France

Re: Kansas City Lithuania Jews #lithuania #usa

JoAnne Goldberg

Hi Ethan,

Thanks for your note. My Litvaks mostly went to Chicago, but somehow a Chicago Goldberg met/married a Kansas City Ginsberg. And one of the Ginsberg siblings married a woman from Iowa and may have lived there for a while -- but the Iowa/Nebraska border, not Des Moines. And the first Jewish settlements in the KC area appear to have been in Leavenworth and St Joseph, not Kansas City itself. I'm sure at the time it all made sense, but sure wish my ancestors had kept notes.



While I have deep roots in Kansas City - back to Leavenworth during the Civil War - my earliest ancestors there were not Litvaks.  My Litvak ancestors settled in Chicago and Des Moines.  In Des Moines it is true that many of the early Lithuanian Jews came from the same area of Lithuania, from the area of Kalvarija, Pilviskiai, and Vilkaviskis.  Today this is in southwestern Lithuania, near the Polish border.  I don't know if they were all related, though it's quite possible.  Among the Litvaks in Des Moines were some Ginsbergs, though I have no idea if they had relatives in KC.

Any questions, please let me know.

Ethan Starr
Washington, DC

JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535


Re: Grodner family in Argentina #general


Hi Ralph.  I contacted Estela at AGJA (Argentinan JGS) and she was so helpful.  Her email is consultas.agja@...
Also check out their FB page

Good luck
Lia Sragovicz

Re: 1936 Hungary birth records #general #hungary


1936 births will not be public for decades yet. (The new law is so insanely badly written that many archives are erring on the side of caution and using 130 years as the cutoff for birth records.) You'll definitely need someone like Karesz to get any sort of access. (You basically need "academic research" credentials, because being a direct descendant will only get you extracts, with the usual chicken-and-egg requirement of knowing exactly what's in the record so that you can find out what's in it.)

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Re: Removing initial I from names #names

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>

Same principle:  names get shortened..   
Many  Steinkopfs became Stein, Hautkovich became Kovich, Sotomayer became Mayer…...
BTW, your initial post did not specify family names:
"Does anyone know why an I (or yod) was sometimes removed from start of names ?
In my family Italienner became Talyena, and Israel became Srul."
Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Jeffrey Cohen via <> wrote:

Yes but those are first names and I was referring to family names that are modified.

Re: Hebrew Translation for two Tombstones #names #translation


There have been two different readings of the date of death for William Jaffe.

It is the 10th of Shvat.
Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA

Re: Removing initial I from names #names

Dr.Josef ASH

I'll add: Yitshak become Tsahi, Yehezkel - Hezi, Yehoram - Rami, Yonatan - Nati
Jeffrey comes from Ephraim. Weren't YOU called at home Frojm,  (or smthng like)?
It is natural in every language to shorten the names at home.
I'm sure Ivanka doesn't call her husband (at home) Donald, but ... i don't know English well enough...
I am sure that italian woman in Israel would be called Tali.
I tryed to answer your question. 
Some linguist would do it wider...

Re: Removing initial I from names #names

Jeffrey Cohen

Yes but those are first names and I was referring to family names that are modified.

Re: Meaning and Subtext of "Grundwirth" #names

David Barrett

grundwirth = BASIC
grundwirt = LANDLORD 

Re: Removing initial I from names #names


The letter Yod י or Yod Heh יה are names of God, hence, there is a custom among observant Jews to forgo writing them down. 
Examples: Yehudit יהודית was Hudes, Yehoshua יהושע was Shaye/Shaya, etc.
That being said, Srul is a common Yiddish nickname for Istael, which led to the famous “Srulik”, the cartoon character representing the State of Israel.

Re: Removing initial I from names #names

David Barrett

Lazy speech 'street - slang'   ??

Potok Zloty (currently Zolotyi Potik)- Koch landowners #ukraine

Milton Koch

My father, Moses (Max) Koch was born in Potok Zloty, in 1911.
He left as a young child, but I am aware of several family that remained.
I have just found some house ownership data but the first names are not familiar to me.
They are all KOCH: Efroim, Schneir and Sluwa.
I would like to know if anyone knows who they were and their relatives.
Thank you.
Milton Koch
Bethesda, MD, USA

Re: What happened to uncle Michel ROTMAN ? #poland

Aaron Slotnik

Hi Marilyn,

It's possible that this Michal Rotman who has a Page of Testimony at Yad Vashem is the man you are seeking (  Unfortunately, it doesn't have his parents' names but he was living in Ostrow Mazowiecka which is not far from Zareby Koscielne.  Hopefully this helps.


Re: Hebrew names #translation #hungary


Thank you Rodney, I'll post it to Viewmate too like you suggest, with column headers as it sounds like that really helps! But great to see the German word for fruit seller, old German script is pretty difficult to decipher, very grateful for your help. Best, Emma

Re: Hebrew names #translation #hungary


Thank you! and I will post on ViewMate too as you both suggest, that's very helpful.

Re: greek jews #sephardic

Judith Berlowitz

It is incorrect to say that "the Spanish Inquisition started in March, 1492."  The Spanish branch of the Inquisition was set up in 1478 by the same so-called Catholic Sovereigns who signed the Edict of Expulsion in 1492, following over a century of pogroms promulgated mostly from various pulpits throughout Christian-occupied Spain as a part of the "reconquista". See

Judith Berlowitz
San Francisco