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When there are no records for your town on JewishGen.... #belarus

Lara Diamond
 

People always complain how there are no records on JewishGen for their
family towns. Well, here's how you can fix that. (And I also
included some cool old records I found in fixing that issue for my own
family.)

https://larasgenealogy.blogspot.com/2017/09/when-there-are-no-records-for-your.html
our.html

Lara Diamond
Baltimore, MD

Researching:
from Lubny, Poltava, Ukraine & Nezhin, Chernigov, Ukraine: TOLCHINSKY,
LEFAND, HALPERIN

from Krasnoye, Belarus: HALPERIN/ALPERN
from Transcarpathian Ukraine (former Maramaros, Austria-Hungary):
JOSZOVICS, RUTNER, EIZIKOVICS, FARKAS, FUCHS, VIZEL, MOTYOVICS, MILLER

from Shpikov & Krasnoye, Podolia, Ukraine: SANSHUCK, ZUBKIS/SUPKOFF, BRANDM=
AN

from Volhynia, Ukraine: DIAMOND/DIAMANT, HALPERIN, SUTTLEMAN/ZITELMAN,
BEITCH/BAJCZ, LAZOVNIK, FINE, GARBER


Belarus SIG #Belarus When there are no records for your town on JewishGen.... #belarus

Lara Diamond
 

People always complain how there are no records on JewishGen for their
family towns. Well, here's how you can fix that. (And I also
included some cool old records I found in fixing that issue for my own
family.)

https://larasgenealogy.blogspot.com/2017/09/when-there-are-no-records-for-your.html
our.html

Lara Diamond
Baltimore, MD

Researching:
from Lubny, Poltava, Ukraine & Nezhin, Chernigov, Ukraine: TOLCHINSKY,
LEFAND, HALPERIN

from Krasnoye, Belarus: HALPERIN/ALPERN
from Transcarpathian Ukraine (former Maramaros, Austria-Hungary):
JOSZOVICS, RUTNER, EIZIKOVICS, FARKAS, FUCHS, VIZEL, MOTYOVICS, MILLER

from Shpikov & Krasnoye, Podolia, Ukraine: SANSHUCK, ZUBKIS/SUPKOFF, BRANDM=
AN

from Volhynia, Ukraine: DIAMOND/DIAMANT, HALPERIN, SUTTLEMAN/ZITELMAN,
BEITCH/BAJCZ, LAZOVNIK, FINE, GARBER


Seeking a kind volunteer to translate Polish records #general

J G
 

I have a group of 20 records in total composed of births, deaths, and a
marriage or two. The copies are very legible if some generous Genner would
like to translate.

It would be easiest to work directly with someone via email rather than via
viewmate, in case you were wondering.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Kind regards

Joe Glass

Please reply to my email. Thank you.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking a kind volunteer to translate Polish records #general

J G
 

I have a group of 20 records in total composed of births, deaths, and a
marriage or two. The copies are very legible if some generous Genner would
like to translate.

It would be easiest to work directly with someone via email rather than via
viewmate, in case you were wondering.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Kind regards

Joe Glass

Please reply to my email. Thank you.


Just getting started #general

Michael Santoli <mhumble663@...>
 

This is my first time of sending this. My name is Mikha'el Sandusky I do
answer to Michael. Some find it difficult getting their tongue around
Mikha'el. I'm a Lithuanian Jew. I also have family that are Italian Jews.
I'm not sure what else to say at this point. I hope to hear >from someone.

Thank you.

Mikha'el Sandusky

MODERATOR NOTE: Make sure to look at Getting Started on JewishGen.
https://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/FirstTimer.html
It includes many good suggestions for those new to Jewish genealogy research.
Once you have followed some of the suggestions and completed a bit of
research on your family, you may wish to post a message in this forum. But,
make sure to include family names, places and dates and specific questions.
Otherwise, it is difficult for anyone to respond in a meaningful way.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Just getting started #general

Michael Santoli <mhumble663@...>
 

This is my first time of sending this. My name is Mikha'el Sandusky I do
answer to Michael. Some find it difficult getting their tongue around
Mikha'el. I'm a Lithuanian Jew. I also have family that are Italian Jews.
I'm not sure what else to say at this point. I hope to hear >from someone.

Thank you.

Mikha'el Sandusky

MODERATOR NOTE: Make sure to look at Getting Started on JewishGen.
https://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/FirstTimer.html
It includes many good suggestions for those new to Jewish genealogy research.
Once you have followed some of the suggestions and completed a bit of
research on your family, you may wish to post a message in this forum. But,
make sure to include family names, places and dates and specific questions.
Otherwise, it is difficult for anyone to respond in a meaningful way.


Re: Journey from Fastow to America #general

Alan Shuchat
 

Your grandparents may have chosen a route that was cheapest at the time,
buying a package that include both land and sea travel. They may have
received tickets >from someone in America, and that person may have chosen
the route. Here are some sources that discuss these issues:

Janet I. Wasserman, The Journey >from Eastern Europe to North America in
1900 & 1905,
https://www.jewishgen.org/Bessarabia/files/Emigration/JourneyFromEasternEuropeToNorthAmerica1900-1904.pdf
[MOD. NOTE: shortened URL - https://goo.gl/zpfzvj ]

Harry Boonin, Coming to America Through Hamburg and Liverpool, Avotaynu,
Winter 2006, 15-22

H. Wolinsky, Retracing My Grandfather's Journey: Rovno to Hamburg, Through
Hull to America, Avotaynu, Winter 2009, 26-29.

Aubrey Newman, Trains and Shelters and Ships,
http://www.jewishroots.uct.ac.za/trains.htm

Red Star LIne Museum in Antwerp:
http://www.redstarline.be/en/page/main-exhibition

Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

SHUKHAT (Talnoe, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoe), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

Subject: Journey >from Fastow to America
From: Myrna Goodman <myrna.goodman@gmail.com>

My paternal grandparents' (David and Lena Ostrofsky) journey to
America was not as straightforward. Their travels were >from Novy
Fastow/Skvira/Odessa (?) to Antwerp.
...
I am hoping someone will help me understand 1) what port they may have
left >from on their journey to Antwerp and what that journey might have
been like; 2) why they did not leave >from the more common ports of
Hamburg or Bremen; and 3) are there any articles on Jewishgen (or
elsewhere) that describe the process of migration >from Russia to the U.S.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Journey from Fastow to America #general

Alan Shuchat
 

Your grandparents may have chosen a route that was cheapest at the time,
buying a package that include both land and sea travel. They may have
received tickets >from someone in America, and that person may have chosen
the route. Here are some sources that discuss these issues:

Janet I. Wasserman, The Journey >from Eastern Europe to North America in
1900 & 1905,
https://www.jewishgen.org/Bessarabia/files/Emigration/JourneyFromEasternEuropeToNorthAmerica1900-1904.pdf
[MOD. NOTE: shortened URL - https://goo.gl/zpfzvj ]

Harry Boonin, Coming to America Through Hamburg and Liverpool, Avotaynu,
Winter 2006, 15-22

H. Wolinsky, Retracing My Grandfather's Journey: Rovno to Hamburg, Through
Hull to America, Avotaynu, Winter 2009, 26-29.

Aubrey Newman, Trains and Shelters and Ships,
http://www.jewishroots.uct.ac.za/trains.htm

Red Star LIne Museum in Antwerp:
http://www.redstarline.be/en/page/main-exhibition

Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

SHUKHAT (Talnoe, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoe), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

Subject: Journey >from Fastow to America
From: Myrna Goodman <myrna.goodman@gmail.com>

My paternal grandparents' (David and Lena Ostrofsky) journey to
America was not as straightforward. Their travels were >from Novy
Fastow/Skvira/Odessa (?) to Antwerp.
...
I am hoping someone will help me understand 1) what port they may have
left >from on their journey to Antwerp and what that journey might have
been like; 2) why they did not leave >from the more common ports of
Hamburg or Bremen; and 3) are there any articles on Jewishgen (or
elsewhere) that describe the process of migration >from Russia to the U.S.


Re: Budapest 1920s-1930s #general

Vivian Kahn
 

Vera,

Have you tried searching in the 1943 Budapest telephone directory? You can
find links on the Hungarian SIG website. There are other Budapest directories
on the Genealogy Indexer website. If these individuals were successful they
might be listed in Ujvari's Magyar Zsido Lexikon (1929), which is also on
line, or by doing a Google search.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, California
JewishGen Hungarian SIG Coordinator

On Sep 3, 2017, at 11:04 PM, Vera Finberg <vera.finberg@verizon.net> wrote:
IN the 1920's and 1930's in what district(s) of Budapest would artists and
writer and playwrights likely live or congregate? I'm trying to find a marriage
in the Hungarian civil records of a writer and playwirght.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Budapest 1920s-1930s #general

Vivian Kahn
 

Vera,

Have you tried searching in the 1943 Budapest telephone directory? You can
find links on the Hungarian SIG website. There are other Budapest directories
on the Genealogy Indexer website. If these individuals were successful they
might be listed in Ujvari's Magyar Zsido Lexikon (1929), which is also on
line, or by doing a Google search.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, California
JewishGen Hungarian SIG Coordinator

On Sep 3, 2017, at 11:04 PM, Vera Finberg <vera.finberg@verizon.net> wrote:
IN the 1920's and 1930's in what district(s) of Budapest would artists and
writer and playwrights likely live or congregate? I'm trying to find a marriage
in the Hungarian civil records of a writer and playwirght.


Re: Passenger lists for Royal Holland Lloyd ship company 1923 #general

false <fdbaran@...>
 

Alberto,

The steamship Orania, like many others at that time, made the route
Europe->Brazil->Argentina->Brazil->Europe. In Brazil, it stoped in Rio de
Janeiro. My grandmother came to Brazil on this steamship, in 1929.

The passengers list of (almost) all the ships that passed through the port
of Rio de Janeiro between 1875 and 1964 are kept in the Brazilian National
Archives (Arquivo Nacional).

Those lists have been scanned and can be seen here:
http://sian.an.gov.br/sianex/consulta/login.asp

You need to create an account to have access to them. It's easy and totally
free. Just click in "Criar Cadastro".

Once you log in, click in the menu "Favoritos" and "Relacoes Vapores
Entrada Porto Rio de Janeiro". Then, browse until you find the year you
want. Use Ctrl+F to search for "Orania". The port of origin is show as
"Procedencia" and is usually Amsterdam, Southampton or Buenos Aires. To see
the digital file(s), PDF format, click in "Arquivo Digital".

Hope it helps!

Flavio Baran
BrasiĀ­lia, Brazil

From: Alberto Guido Chester <agchester@gmail.com>

Does anyone know of the existance of list of passengers or other files
of the Royal Holland LLoyd or Koninklijke Hollandsche Lloyd ?

They owned the ship Oranias which travelled since 1922 >from Cherbourg,
Southampton to South America.

I do have pictures of the ship, its fares and its sinking.

I am looking for the possibilities of finding a passenger who embarked
in Cherbourg, probay in Dec. 1923.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Passenger lists for Royal Holland Lloyd ship company 1923 #general

false <fdbaran@...>
 

Alberto,

The steamship Orania, like many others at that time, made the route
Europe->Brazil->Argentina->Brazil->Europe. In Brazil, it stoped in Rio de
Janeiro. My grandmother came to Brazil on this steamship, in 1929.

The passengers list of (almost) all the ships that passed through the port
of Rio de Janeiro between 1875 and 1964 are kept in the Brazilian National
Archives (Arquivo Nacional).

Those lists have been scanned and can be seen here:
http://sian.an.gov.br/sianex/consulta/login.asp

You need to create an account to have access to them. It's easy and totally
free. Just click in "Criar Cadastro".

Once you log in, click in the menu "Favoritos" and "Relacoes Vapores
Entrada Porto Rio de Janeiro". Then, browse until you find the year you
want. Use Ctrl+F to search for "Orania". The port of origin is show as
"Procedencia" and is usually Amsterdam, Southampton or Buenos Aires. To see
the digital file(s), PDF format, click in "Arquivo Digital".

Hope it helps!

Flavio Baran
BrasiĀ­lia, Brazil

From: Alberto Guido Chester <agchester@gmail.com>

Does anyone know of the existance of list of passengers or other files
of the Royal Holland LLoyd or Koninklijke Hollandsche Lloyd ?

They owned the ship Oranias which travelled since 1922 >from Cherbourg,
Southampton to South America.

I do have pictures of the ship, its fares and its sinking.

I am looking for the possibilities of finding a passenger who embarked
in Cherbourg, probay in Dec. 1923.


Budapest 1920s-1930s #general

vera.finberg@...
 

IN the 1920's and 1930's in what district(s) of Budapest would artists and
writer and playwrights likely live or congregate? I'm trying to find a marriage
in the Hungarian civil records of a writer and playwirght.

Vera Finberg
vera.finberg@verizon.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Budapest 1920s-1930s #general

vera.finberg@...
 

IN the 1920's and 1930's in what district(s) of Budapest would artists and
writer and playwrights likely live or congregate? I'm trying to find a marriage
in the Hungarian civil records of a writer and playwirght.

Vera Finberg
vera.finberg@verizon.net


Channah and late Yisrael SHINAR Toronto #general

Neil@...
 

Trying to make contact with Channah of her family in Toronto. Her
father was Moseh Kinreich of Cracow who perished. Channah's sister
Blanka posted a Page of Testimony for her father in 1998.

Neil Rosenstein

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond directly to Neil via email.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Channah and late Yisrael SHINAR Toronto #general

Neil@...
 

Trying to make contact with Channah of her family in Toronto. Her
father was Moseh Kinreich of Cracow who perished. Channah's sister
Blanka posted a Page of Testimony for her father in 1998.

Neil Rosenstein

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond directly to Neil via email.


Re: Pronunciation: 'Tch' or 'K'? E.g., Charles or Karl? Chausmer, Zausmer or Kazimerz? #general

Alan Shuchat
 

Sandomierz is 162 km (100 miles) >from Cracow by the most direct route, so it's
not that close to it. Nevertheless, a search in Hebrew or Yiddish for Tsoyzmer
(tsadi-vav-yod-zayin-mem-yod-resh) identifies it with Sandomierz
(samekh-alef-nun-daled-vav-mem-yod-yod-zayin-geresh). (The geresh looks like
an apostrophe and shows that the rz ending in Polish is pronounced "zh")
There is a Yizkor book for the town online at
http://www.yiddishbookcenter.org/collections/yizkor-books/yzk-nybc313979
The foreword says that Jews called the town by both names.

Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

SHUKHAT (Talnoe, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoe), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

From: "Joyaa Antares" <joyaa@goldcoastosteopathy.com.au>

JewishGen's Town Finder gives just ONE option for "Zausmer" - Sandomierz.
The Finder says this was "Tsoyzmer" in Yiddish, so the match seems good.
The Jewish Encyclopedia refers to "Jacob David ben Isaac", a Polish Masorite
of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries; "rabbi of Zausmer, near Cracow".
Sandomierz is nowhere near Cracow.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Pronunciation: 'Tch' or 'K'? E.g., Charles or Karl? Chausmer, Zausmer or Kazimerz? #general

Alan Shuchat
 

Sandomierz is 162 km (100 miles) >from Cracow by the most direct route, so it's
not that close to it. Nevertheless, a search in Hebrew or Yiddish for Tsoyzmer
(tsadi-vav-yod-zayin-mem-yod-resh) identifies it with Sandomierz
(samekh-alef-nun-daled-vav-mem-yod-yod-zayin-geresh). (The geresh looks like
an apostrophe and shows that the rz ending in Polish is pronounced "zh")
There is a Yizkor book for the town online at
http://www.yiddishbookcenter.org/collections/yizkor-books/yzk-nybc313979
The foreword says that Jews called the town by both names.

Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

SHUKHAT (Talnoe, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoe), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

From: "Joyaa Antares" <joyaa@goldcoastosteopathy.com.au>

JewishGen's Town Finder gives just ONE option for "Zausmer" - Sandomierz.
The Finder says this was "Tsoyzmer" in Yiddish, so the match seems good.
The Jewish Encyclopedia refers to "Jacob David ben Isaac", a Polish Masorite
of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries; "rabbi of Zausmer, near Cracow".
Sandomierz is nowhere near Cracow.


Jewish Students and Professors at Russian Music Conservatories #general

Gail Patterson
 

Was it true that, in the 19th and early 20th Centuries, Jewish students and
professors at Russian music conservatories in Moscow and St. Petersburg had
to declare a change in their faith (presumably >from Jewish to Russian
Orthodox) in order to participate in the Conservatory?

Gail M. Patterson, Boerne, TX


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Students and Professors at Russian Music Conservatories #general

Gail Patterson
 

Was it true that, in the 19th and early 20th Centuries, Jewish students and
professors at Russian music conservatories in Moscow and St. Petersburg had
to declare a change in their faith (presumably >from Jewish to Russian
Orthodox) in order to participate in the Conservatory?

Gail M. Patterson, Boerne, TX

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