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Re: Given names #germany

Daniel and Diane Claussen <didado@...>
 

Brenda Panborn asks: "> Does anyone know the origins of the “Jewish” names:
Pessie and/or Genendel?"

I wonder if Pessie is a variation of Pesach or Paisach which was my
grandfather's name. I think the answer is probably in Alexander Beider's
new book on the origin or Ashkenazic names which I do not have yet, but
intend to get. I know that it contains reference to the man's name Pesach.
My grandfather was called Paissy (sp?) by his siblings which was based on
his given name Pesach.

The obvious connection is to the Passover observance. I understand from
reading sources on the Khazars, that this was a frequently used name of
Khazarian descendants. The Khazars were ancient people of the now Ukraine
area, who converted to Judaism in the 9th and 10th centuries. After the
10th century they dispersed and mixed with arriving Jews >from elsewhere in
Europe to make up what we now know as Ashkenazic Jews. More about this and
the relation of Ashkenazic names to Khazarian names can be learned through
Beider's book and more about the Khazars at the website: www.khazaria.com.
The author and webmaster Kevin Brook updates us with fascinating breaking
news about archaeological evidence or the Khazars that is now accessible in
what use to be "behind the iron curtain."

Diane Kriegman Claussen
Atlanta, GA
Researching:: KRIEGMAN Rogachev, Novgorad Volynskiy, New Jersey (US);
CHERNORUDSKY (SHARE), Chernorudka in Berdichev; BRICHKE and
GECHT or GEKHT, Berdichev, Chicago; REDMAN (NIDEKOLIN), Ladyzhinka;
SHPARAGO, Dubovo, Ternovka, Uman
District, Chicago; SMASON (SMASONOWICH) Grodno; KNOPF, Philadelphia, Chicago


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Given names #ukraine

Daniel and Diane Claussen <didado@...>
 

Brenda Panborn asks: "> Does anyone know the origins of the “Jewish” names:
Pessie and/or Genendel?"

I wonder if Pessie is a variation of Pesach or Paisach which was my
grandfather's name. I think the answer is probably in Alexander Beider's
new book on the origin or Ashkenazic names which I do not have yet, but
intend to get. I know that it contains reference to the man's name Pesach.
My grandfather was called Paissy (sp?) by his siblings which was based on
his given name Pesach.

The obvious connection is to the Passover observance. I understand from
reading sources on the Khazars, that this was a frequently used name of
Khazarian descendants. The Khazars were ancient people of the now Ukraine
area, who converted to Judaism in the 9th and 10th centuries. After the
10th century they dispersed and mixed with arriving Jews >from elsewhere in
Europe to make up what we now know as Ashkenazic Jews. More about this and
the relation of Ashkenazic names to Khazarian names can be learned through
Beider's book and more about the Khazars at the website: www.khazaria.com.
The author and webmaster Kevin Brook updates us with fascinating breaking
news about archaeological evidence or the Khazars that is now accessible in
what use to be "behind the iron curtain."

Diane Kriegman Claussen
Atlanta, GA
Researching:: KRIEGMAN Rogachev, Novgorad Volynskiy, New Jersey (US);
CHERNORUDSKY (SHARE), Chernorudka in Berdichev; BRICHKE and
GECHT or GEKHT, Berdichev, Chicago; REDMAN (NIDEKOLIN), Ladyzhinka;
SHPARAGO, Dubovo, Ternovka, Uman
District, Chicago; SMASON (SMASONOWICH) Grodno; KNOPF, Philadelphia, Chicago


TEOMIM/NAUMBURG Connection #rabbinic

SOL2516171@...
 

I am looking for information about the link between the TEOMIM and
NAUMBURG families. Here's what I know.

My seven times great grandfather Elkana NAUMBURG (a cantor) was
born in Gross Glogau and died in Fuerth in 1746. His father
Benjamin (Seev) Wolf of Gross Glogau was also a cantor, as was
Elkana's grandfather, Baruch and Elkana's great grandfather Abraham
of Prague. Elkana was apparently the first to take the surname
NAUMBURG; he lived in Naumburg, Silesia, before an expulsion of
Jews there led him to move to Fuerth.

Several sources indicate that Elkana NAUMBURG was also a descendant
of Rabbi Jonah TEOMIM of Prague (1506 Prague-1669 Metz). I am not
sure exactly how, but one source indicates that Elkana NAUMBURG's
mother, wife of Benjamin (Seev) Wolf, was probably the daughter of
Israel TEOMIM, who lived in Glogau, and died in 1705 in Zolkiew.
(Israel was the son of Jonah TEOMIM.)

Any additional information about the linkage between these two
families would be much appreciated.

David Solomon
SOL2516171@...


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic TEOMIM/NAUMBURG Connection #rabbinic

SOL2516171@...
 

I am looking for information about the link between the TEOMIM and
NAUMBURG families. Here's what I know.

My seven times great grandfather Elkana NAUMBURG (a cantor) was
born in Gross Glogau and died in Fuerth in 1746. His father
Benjamin (Seev) Wolf of Gross Glogau was also a cantor, as was
Elkana's grandfather, Baruch and Elkana's great grandfather Abraham
of Prague. Elkana was apparently the first to take the surname
NAUMBURG; he lived in Naumburg, Silesia, before an expulsion of
Jews there led him to move to Fuerth.

Several sources indicate that Elkana NAUMBURG was also a descendant
of Rabbi Jonah TEOMIM of Prague (1506 Prague-1669 Metz). I am not
sure exactly how, but one source indicates that Elkana NAUMBURG's
mother, wife of Benjamin (Seev) Wolf, was probably the daughter of
Israel TEOMIM, who lived in Glogau, and died in 1705 in Zolkiew.
(Israel was the son of Jonah TEOMIM.)

Any additional information about the linkage between these two
families would be much appreciated.

David Solomon
SOL2516171@...


Isaac CROWN Family, Pittsburgh #general

Kroll
 

Looking for information about the Isaac CROWN family who in the 1870
census were living in Pittsburgh. Isaac and his wife Annetta were born in
Prusia in the 1830s. They moved to England where their son Joseph was born
in 1855 and >from there to the States where their son Errin ws born in
1860. Other children living in their household in 1880 were Sadie (1862),
Millie(1863), Amanda (1866) and Reuben (1867). Since my Crohn/Crown family
also came to the U.S. >from Posen, Prussia via England I belive that there
might be a connection. Living in Israel I do not have access to records
other than what I can find on line, so all assistance would be appreciated.

Ed Kroll in Israel


BMD not on the GRO index #general

Maurice Hoffman <rosie@...>
 

If you know or have good evidence to know that an event took place and it
is not in the GRO index, contact the local registry office by phone in the
first instance. they will tell you the procedures for carrying out
searches. This does suppose that you know the area where the event took
place. I have been told by experienced people that none indexing is not
that rare and even a whole quarter for a registry office has been excluded
since the returns was never sent to the GRO. this was in the late c19 for
a city outside London.

If anybody is successful, please let us know.

Maurice Hoffman
Wembley
Email: RosieHA9@...


occupation tochain-(tov vov chet nun) #general

Udi Cain
 


Tochen, spelled tet-vav-kaf-nun is an astronomer according to my
dictionary (it maye be a fairly recent word, probably derived from
kaven--give direction)

I could not find the word you mentioned in my dictionary. I assume our
ancestors were not always great spellers.

Michael Bernet, New York
Dear Michael.

First let me say that I was relieved to hearing >from you. Another fellow
researcher >from N.Y. had already respond, I am still worried about Zack
Grayson who is a lawyer in N.Y. and do not respond.
Tochen as for astronomer, is spelled: Tav - Vav - Chaf - Nun.
I think that it derive >from Tochnit = Plan.

Best regards.
Udi Cain. Jerusalem.


Rosenthal/Jolkovsky #general

AACC <timecop@...>
 

I am new to this list, and I am sure glad that I found it. I have been
trying to research my paternal genealogy for over two years now, and I'm
at quite a brick wall.
Perhaps some of you may be able to help.

Sarah Jolkovsky (b. Jul 10, 1892 in Kiyev, Russia) (d. Oct 13, 1970 in Van
Nuys, CA) Grandmother
Sarah was the daughter of Meyer Jolkovsky and Annie Greenfeld.

Itzchak Rosenthal (b. Apr 2, 1889 Kyiev, Russia) (d. Dec 18, 1960 St.
Louis, MO)
Any help with these lines would be great!
Steve Rosenthal


Dushkin from Keidan #lithuania

Harold Rhode <hrhode@...>
 

Does anyone know the family name Dushkin frmo Keidan?
Thanks,

Harold


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Isaac CROWN Family, Pittsburgh #general

Kroll
 

Looking for information about the Isaac CROWN family who in the 1870
census were living in Pittsburgh. Isaac and his wife Annetta were born in
Prusia in the 1830s. They moved to England where their son Joseph was born
in 1855 and >from there to the States where their son Errin ws born in
1860. Other children living in their household in 1880 were Sadie (1862),
Millie(1863), Amanda (1866) and Reuben (1867). Since my Crohn/Crown family
also came to the U.S. >from Posen, Prussia via England I belive that there
might be a connection. Living in Israel I do not have access to records
other than what I can find on line, so all assistance would be appreciated.

Ed Kroll in Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BMD not on the GRO index #general

Maurice Hoffman <rosie@...>
 

If you know or have good evidence to know that an event took place and it
is not in the GRO index, contact the local registry office by phone in the
first instance. they will tell you the procedures for carrying out
searches. This does suppose that you know the area where the event took
place. I have been told by experienced people that none indexing is not
that rare and even a whole quarter for a registry office has been excluded
since the returns was never sent to the GRO. this was in the late c19 for
a city outside London.

If anybody is successful, please let us know.

Maurice Hoffman
Wembley
Email: RosieHA9@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen occupation tochain-(tov vov chet nun) #general

Udi Cain
 


Tochen, spelled tet-vav-kaf-nun is an astronomer according to my
dictionary (it maye be a fairly recent word, probably derived from
kaven--give direction)

I could not find the word you mentioned in my dictionary. I assume our
ancestors were not always great spellers.

Michael Bernet, New York
Dear Michael.

First let me say that I was relieved to hearing >from you. Another fellow
researcher >from N.Y. had already respond, I am still worried about Zack
Grayson who is a lawyer in N.Y. and do not respond.
Tochen as for astronomer, is spelled: Tav - Vav - Chaf - Nun.
I think that it derive >from Tochnit = Plan.

Best regards.
Udi Cain. Jerusalem.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rosenthal/Jolkovsky #general

AACC <timecop@...>
 

I am new to this list, and I am sure glad that I found it. I have been
trying to research my paternal genealogy for over two years now, and I'm
at quite a brick wall.
Perhaps some of you may be able to help.

Sarah Jolkovsky (b. Jul 10, 1892 in Kiyev, Russia) (d. Oct 13, 1970 in Van
Nuys, CA) Grandmother
Sarah was the daughter of Meyer Jolkovsky and Annie Greenfeld.

Itzchak Rosenthal (b. Apr 2, 1889 Kyiev, Russia) (d. Dec 18, 1960 St.
Louis, MO)
Any help with these lines would be great!
Steve Rosenthal


Keidan Jews #Keidan #Lithuania Dushkin from Keidan #lithuania

Harold Rhode <hrhode@...>
 

Does anyone know the family name Dushkin frmo Keidan?
Thanks,

Harold


Re: Cousin Who's a Writer #galicia

Asparagirl <schreier@...>
 

With regards to the publishing of just about anything, why not try one
of the vanity-publishing-on-demand companies, like Xlibris
(www.xlibris.com)? You can publish as many or as few copies (yes,
actual hardbound books) of any text you choose, and you only pay for the
number of copies you actually create. The book is stored in digital
format, so any time you want to create, say, another hundred coipes, you
just tell them so and poof! instant books! The books are assigned
IBSN's and everything. You can choose to promote/hand-out the books
yourself, or let the company do it, or do it through retailers (each
with a different associated price), and you can publish in hardback,
paperback, and/or e-book format.

(Note: I have no connection, financial or otherwise, to Xlibris; I'm
just pointing it out to GG members who might be interested. I've never
used their services either, but it seems very cool and I've heard good
things about them.)


- Brooke Schreier
New York, New York


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Cousin Who's a Writer #galicia

Asparagirl <schreier@...>
 

With regards to the publishing of just about anything, why not try one
of the vanity-publishing-on-demand companies, like Xlibris
(www.xlibris.com)? You can publish as many or as few copies (yes,
actual hardbound books) of any text you choose, and you only pay for the
number of copies you actually create. The book is stored in digital
format, so any time you want to create, say, another hundred coipes, you
just tell them so and poof! instant books! The books are assigned
IBSN's and everything. You can choose to promote/hand-out the books
yourself, or let the company do it, or do it through retailers (each
with a different associated price), and you can publish in hardback,
paperback, and/or e-book format.

(Note: I have no connection, financial or otherwise, to Xlibris; I'm
just pointing it out to GG members who might be interested. I've never
used their services either, but it seems very cool and I've heard good
things about them.)


- Brooke Schreier
New York, New York


Re: Cousin Who's a Writer #galicia

Plutsk@...
 

Here is the second paragraph of my message on "Cousin Who's a Writer"
which was omitted >from the SIG List.

"There is some precedent for publishing fiction in JGS materials: Several
of the poems on Jewish and genealogical themes of contemporary poet Steve
Orlen have been published in "Generations," the magazine of the Jewish
Genealogical Society of Michigan, and have been much appreciated by the
membership.

Published in this fashion, they will also be indexed and available to others
farr into the future, long after a commerical or vanity-press publication
would have gone out of print and hard or impossible to find. It's an option
to consider, anyway."

Thank you.

Steve Gold
Detroit area

MODERATOR: The first paragraph was originally omitted because it appeared to
be misleading. Carol Cohen spoke of her relative's personal recollections
and stories, which appear to be a non-fictional account, not fiction. The
second paragraph is okay.

Mailing lists are moderated to assure acceptable content and tone of
messages posted. Sometimes a message is edited for clarification and
sometimes a message is rejected outright.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Cousin Who's a Writer #galicia

Plutsk@...
 

Here is the second paragraph of my message on "Cousin Who's a Writer"
which was omitted >from the SIG List.

"There is some precedent for publishing fiction in JGS materials: Several
of the poems on Jewish and genealogical themes of contemporary poet Steve
Orlen have been published in "Generations," the magazine of the Jewish
Genealogical Society of Michigan, and have been much appreciated by the
membership.

Published in this fashion, they will also be indexed and available to others
farr into the future, long after a commerical or vanity-press publication
would have gone out of print and hard or impossible to find. It's an option
to consider, anyway."

Thank you.

Steve Gold
Detroit area

MODERATOR: The first paragraph was originally omitted because it appeared to
be misleading. Carol Cohen spoke of her relative's personal recollections
and stories, which appear to be a non-fictional account, not fiction. The
second paragraph is okay.

Mailing lists are moderated to assure acceptable content and tone of
messages posted. Sometimes a message is edited for clarification and
sometimes a message is rejected outright.


R. WORTZMAN from TORONTO #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

Dear genners,
I must again apologize for waiting twenty-five years to track down someone
I met very briefly who may no longer be alive! I was in Toronto, Ontario,
Canada February 25-29 1976 to attend the International Studies Association
Convention. Since my budget did not run to the Royal York Hotel, where the
convention was being held, I stayed with a friend on Bathurst Street. While
waiting for the bus one morning, a woman started a conversation with me in
Yiddish. As usual, I asked where she was from, and to my amazement, she
told me that she was born in Kloke, near Lukashifke, my father's home
town. I grabbed the only thing I had to write on, the program of the
convention, and started jotting down what she said. The bus came, she got
on, and that was the end of the conversation.
By the time I got home other matters intervened, job, children, etc., the
program of the convention was packed away and only now, five plus years
after making aliya, finally unpacking some of the boxes that have been
waiting their turn, I came across the program with my notes.
I was 46 at the time of this meeting and Mr. Wortzman was at least 60,
so if she is alive she is quite old. Her first name may be Reytsa. In 1976
she lived at Forest Ridge Drive, Toronto Ont M6B 1H1.
Here are some of the names scribbled on my convention program:
Feyge Tener, Velvl der Halfan (money exchanger), Shalom Tener, Yidl Tener,
Yakov Grosman. Reytsa Bikov >from Tetiev. daughter of Dobe and Yankl
Grosman, Yakov married Feyge >from Tetiev and moved there. She (?) married
her cousin, Ben Tsiyon who was a hazn. Reytsa's mother came >from
Lukashifke. Mrs. Wortzman also mentioned Yona Tetievsky. Levi Shkolnick
(Eshkol) was a relative. The last name she mentioned was that of Leyzer
Zabaru of Toronto.

It's a long shot, but if any of the above names sound familiar, I should
love to correspond.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

Dr.Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Dr.Joseph M. Schwarcz
Arad, Israel


WEIDENs from Tarnow #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

My husband's pgf, Isak Weiden, was born in Tarnow (Poland) but moved to
Vienna with his wife and children between the wars. He died there in 1940
(thus narrowly escaping the Holocaust); but his wife, children and
grandchildren were deported to Kovno in 1941 along with hundreds of other
Viennese Jews -- all of whom were murdered on arrival and dumped in a mass
grave. Isak Weiden's only surviving grandchild is my husband, who had
escaped >from Vienna on a Kindertransport in 1939. So, please would
anyone named Weiden (especially with ancestors >from Tarnow ) contact me?

One thing we are interested in is whether people >from that family (or
perhaps people named Weiden in general) are of Kohen, Levi or Yisra'el
origin. I remember speaking with a Weiden family 30 years ago in
Jerusalem, who claimed to be Levi'im; but I'd need to hear >from a lot more
Weidens in order to determine whether this is true of Weidens in general.
My grandson is coming up to bar mitzvah age and it would be nice to get
this straightened out (our four sons simply had to assume they were
Yisra'el for want of any information to the contrary!).

Judith Romney Wegner