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Re: greek jews #sephardic

Ina Getzoff
 

Susie:
It is probably possible that some of your ancestors who fled way back (you don't say how far back your research has gone) may have gone to Greece instead of the Ottoman Empire and there is a mix of family members from the Greek Isles somewhere in the family. Where did your family go and when? Remember-when the Spanish Inquisition started in March, 1492 some of the people that fled either went to Portugal or because the Sultan of Turkey offered asylum that is where they went. Can you give us some additional information. 
 
My paternal side of the family came from Istanbul, Turkey but a great aunt came from Salonika, Greece. 
Ina Getzoff
Delray Beach, Fla.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Yiddish or Hebrew name for IDA #belarus #names

agnesblum@...
 

Hi Marilyn,

My great-great grandmother Ida Zacharowicz was born in Russia and emigrated to the U.S. in 1890. Ida was NOT too anglicized to be given to a Jewish girl! In fact Ida was quite popular for Ashkenazi girls at the time. Below are a few of the famous Jewish Idas from the late 19th early 20th century, so it stands that there were even more non-famous ones!

Ida Cohen Rosenthal, co-founder of Maidenform, b. 1886 in Rakov, Russia
Ida Kaminska, actress known as the "Mother of the Jewish stage", b. 1899 Ukraine
Ida Maze, the Yiddish writer, b. 1893 in Ugli, Belarus
Ida Demel, writer and patroness of the arts, b. 1870 in Germany
Ida Rubenstein , ballet dancer, b. 1883 in Ukraine
Ida Haendel, pianist, b. 1928, Poland
Ida Ginsburg ,founder of the Detroit chapter of National Council of Jewish Women, b. 1865, USA

As for the corresponding Hebrew name, I would guess Yehudit, or Adah.

Agnes

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Agnes Blum
Bethesda

BLUM, ZACHAROWICZ, SACHS/SACKS, SPEICHLER, ROTHBERG, KIER/KIERSCH


Re: Percentages of ancestry - my Ashkenazi father seems to be partly of Italian/Greek descent? #dna

Kenneth Ryesky
 

Following the Roman conquest of Jerusalem and the dispersion, many Jews were taken to Italy.  Jewish slave labor built the Coleseum and other Roman tourist trap monuments.
 
So it is not so much a matter of Jews having Italian DNA as it is Italians having Jewish DNA.
 
-- Ken Ryesky
Petach Tikva, ISRAEL
 

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Ken Ryesky,  Petach Tikva, Israel     kenneth.ryesky@...


Re: FamilySearch Christening records in 1870's New York #usa #general

Phil Karlin
 

Thank you Barbara.
So do you think that the "christening" was not one per se, but merely that the dataset included christenings, so a christening was assumed to have occurred by the dataset builder?
Keep in mind that I gave Rebeke as an example. The same thing happened for her siblings - they have christenings too. 

Is there information on the record image that's not in the index?
I'd love to know any or all of these facts from the image: Who made the original record? Birth location (hospital or home, street address). Date - birthdate vs. christening date vs. recording date.*  Was there a doctor or midwife attending and their name?

*Although the record we're looking at is dated July 29 1870, she appears on the 1870 Census, dated July 15, which says she was born in May.

And what if "christening" just means "naming" and I'm worked up in a lather over nothing, LOL?


Re: Train travel Ukraine 19th-20th Century/ #ukraine

Sharon Taylor
 

Since the trip you described took place in 1914, it’s likely that they were being evacuated or that they chose to flee as the Russian army advanced. The Austrian government was active in evacuating civilians from the war zone, moving them west to Vienna, Bohemia and Moravia. During this time, the military had priority for train travel, so civilians were often left stranded for hours or even days until a train became available for their use. Villagers along the way brought food to the stranded travelers during long delays. Yizkor books in JewishGen’s collection have several firsthand accounts by Jews who fled Galicia during this time.

Sharon Taylor
Philadelphia, PA
Researching NEMETH, BLOCH, INGIER in Mariampol/ Stanislawow Galicia and WIESNER, FLEISIG in Kulikow/Lemberg Galicia


Re: Ballasagyarmat: what census records are there? #hungary

JPmiaou@...
 

10. Name: Samuel Waisz Jr., age: 29, birthplace: Hungary, Bgy, residence: ditto, income source: vinegar-maker, behavior: good, children under 10: daughter
Rézi his wife, 25, ditto

21. Samuel Waisz Sr., 55, Hungary, BGyarm., with merchandise, 2 daughters
Josefa his wife, 53
Moraham?, 23, with skins?
Izsák, 17, with merchandise
Jakab, 14

31. Izsak Waisz, 27, furrier?
32. Leopold Waisz, 42, day-laborer, 1? son
Liebes his wife, 35
Emanël?, 12

69. Rosalie Waisz widow, 48, tavern-keeper, 2 daughters
Moses Lebel, 24
Janos, 24

85. Jakab Waisz, 46, merchant
Leni his wife, 38

101. Israel Vaisz, 40, merchant, 1 son, 1 daughter
Rezi? his wife, 38
Moricz, 10

112. Hersel Waisz, 56, with rags, 3 sons, 1 daughter
Hani his wife, 40

128. Israel Weisz, 58, merchant, 2 daughters
Marie his wife, 50
David, 15
Samu, 11
Salamon Lebl? Weisz, 35, merchant
Leni his wife, 22

133. Jakab Waisz, 32, merchant (retailer?)
Beni? his wife, 26

139. Fülep Waisz, 51, merchat, 2 sons, 4 daughters
Fani his wife, 37

142. Ischák? Weisz, 60
Resi his wife, 50
Samuel, 25

145. Mihály Weisz, 45, with skins, 1 son, 4 daughters
Fani his wife, 30
Markusz, 10


161. Juli Weisz widow, 60, with fruit, 1 daughter

167. Marton Weisz widower, 74
Moritz, 38, with merchandise, 1 son, 3 daughters
Rosi his wife, 38

173. Josef Weisz Jr., 50, buyer (agent), 3 daughters
Leni his wife, 40

174. Simon Weisz, 22, with skins
Kati his wife, 25
Kati mother, 50

179. Hermann Weisz, 35, merchant with skins, 1 son, 1 daughter
Toni his wife, 30

184. Abraham Weisz, 38, with milk?, 3 sons, 1 daughter
Hani his wife, 35

191. Leopold Weisz widower, 67
Daniel epileptic, 26

197. Edel Weisz widow, 50, Hungary, in Nyitra
Adolf, 20, from Szügy, glazier
Moritz, 22, deformed in the leg

205. Fáni Weisz widow, 50, 1 daughter
Gábor, 22, with rags

221. Marie Waisz widow, 60

223. Henrik Weisz, 26, with skins
Moses Weisz, 19

237. Simon Vaisz, 42, with rags, 1 son, 1 daughter
Hani his wife, 40
Gaspar, 12

248. Abraham Vaisz Jr., 34, sheep-seller?, 2 daughters
Regina his wife, 30

249. Fáni Vaisz widow, 50

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Julia
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Re: FamilySearch Christening records in 1870's New York #usa #general

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

But those were not recorded in NYC records, b/c they were not contemporaneous..  The LDS baptisms were recorded ONLY in LDS records NOT municipal records.

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ.


On Jul 20, 2020, at 9:33 AM, David Oseas via groups.jewishgen.org <doseas=yahoo.com@...> wrote:

For a period of time, the LDS church engaged in the controversial practice of posthumous baptism of Jewish individuals:  https://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/ldsagree.html  They have since stopped the practice.

Regards,
David Oseas _._,_._,_


Hungarian Elementary School Yearbook records #hungary #education

Ed Zwieback
 

I received several pages from "Elementary School Yearbooks" for years 1894-98, for grades 1-3.  These are formal printed pages with up to 40 student names (all boys) and their scores in up to 14 subjects. I have lost contact with my source and don't know where these came from.  I have never seen any records like these.  I welcome any info on where these books can be accessed.  I'll be happy to send these pages to anyone interested.

Ed Zwieback
California
http://ezwieback.com/ZFN-p/index.htm


Re: Hebrew Translation for two Tombstones #names #translation

esriel@...
 

The left one reads:

Feivel Zevulun, son of Yisrael, died Shvat 26, 5697

The right one:

My husband and our dear father (Rabbi) Zeev, son of Tzvi, died Shvat 10, 5697

Normally the American names started with the same letter as the Jewish.

So Feivel became Phillip. The second one, I assume, was called Wolf (translation of Zeev in German or Yiddish) and so he became William


Re: FamilySearch Christening records in 1870's New York #usa #general

David Oseas
 

For a period of time, the LDS church engaged in the controversial practice of posthumous baptism of Jewish individuals:  https://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/ldsagree.html  They have since stopped the practice.

Regards,
David Oseas


Help needed with Russian Translation of Record on ViewMate #translation

Arlene Glass
 

Hi,
I need translation of records from Lomza Poland that are written in Russian. There are three birth records and one death record. May I have a full translation for one of the births. The other two I only need a translation of the birth dates. For the death record, I only need the date and the parents' names. 
 
They are all part of the Kolaczek family. The names should be David Ick, Gerszk Berek, Leja Gitla, and the death record should be Judes.The links are below. 
 
Please respond using the on line ViewMate form. 
 
Thank you so much,
 
Arlene Glass
Atlanta, Georgia
 
 
 


Hebrew Translation for two Tombstones #names #translation

lfrydl@...
 

Hi:
If someone could translate these, I'd really appreciate it. I'm basically looking for their Hebrew names.

Thanks so much!
Linda Mallin Frydl
Maryland, USA




Re: Viewmate Translation Request - Russian #translation

ryabinkym@...
 

 

 

 

 

VM83146

 

In Russian:

 

298

Маша Вейсблех.

Состоялось в городе Лублин 20-го июня (3-го июля) 1907 года в 10 часов утра.  Явился еврей: Исер-Мендель Вeйсблех, торговец, 47-и лет, житель города Люблина, вприсутствии свидетелей Израиля Фраймана, поденщика, 59-и лет и Шимона Менделя, домовладельца, 55-и лет, жителей города Люблина и предъявили нам девочку, объявляя, что она родилась в городе Люблин, в доме под номером 637, 10-го  (23-го) апреля 1901-го года в 12 часов дня от него и законной жены Ройзы-Малки, урожденной Шварц, 42-х лет.  Девочке этой дано имя Маша. Позднее заявление ничем не оправдано.  Акт сей присутствующим прочитан, ими и нами подписан.

 

Исер-Мендель Вeйсблех

Израиль Фрайман  

Шимон Мендель

Чиновник гражданского состояния        Подпись

 

Translate into English:

 

298

 

Masha Weisblech.

 

Held in the city of Dublin on June 20 (July 3), 1907, at 10 a.m. A Jew appeared: Iser-Mendel Weissblech, a merchant, 47 years old, a resident of the city of Lublin, in the presence of Israeli witnesses Freiman, day laborer, 59 years old and Shimon Mendel, a homeowner, 55 years old, residents of the city of Lublin and presented us with a girl, announcing that she was born in the city of Lublin, in the house at number 637, on April 10th (23rd), 1901, at 12 noon from him and 42-year-old Royza Malka's legal wife, nee Schwartz. This girl is given the name Masha. The later statement is unjustified. This act has been read to those present, they and we have signed.

 

 

 

Iser-Mendel Weissblech

 

Israel Freiman

 

Shimon Mendel

 

Civil Status Officer Signature

 

VM83147

 

In Russian:

 

In Russian:

 

405

Состоялось в городе Люблин 22-го августа (4-го сентября) 1901-го года в 10 часов утра.  Явился еврей: Барух-Мордка Вайсблех, работник, 41-го года, житель города Люблина, в присутствии свидетелей Берки Тухмана, домовладельца, 39-и лет и Шимона Менделя, работника, 49-и лет, жителей города Люблина и предъявили нам мальчика, объявляя, что она родилась в городе Люблин, в доме под номером 638, 13-го  (25-го) декабря 1896-го года в 8 часов утра от него и законной жены Хаи, урожденной Фрим, 30-и лет.  Ребенку этому при обрезании дано имя Пинхас. Позднее заявление ничем не оправдано.  Акт сей присутствующим прочитан, ими и нами подписан.

 

 

Берка Тухман  

Шимон Мендель

Чиновник гражданского состояния        Подпись

 

Translate into English:

 

405

 

Held in the city of Lublin on August 22 (September 4), 1901, at 10 a.m. A Jew appeared: Baruch-Mordka Weissblech, a 41-year-old worker, a resident of the city of Lublin, in the presence of witnesses Berka Tuchman, a 39-year-old homeowner and Shimon Mendel, a 49-year-old worker, residents of the city of Lublin and presented us with a boy, announcing that she was born in the city of Lublin, in the house at number 638, on the 13th (25th) of December 1896 at 8 o’clock in the morning from him and her lawful wife, nee Frim, 30 years old. When circumcised, this child was given the name Pinchas. The later statement is unjustified. This act has been read to those present, they and we have signed.

 

 

 

 

 

Berka Tuchman

 

Shimon Mendel

 

Civil Status Officer Signature


Re: FamilySearch Christening records in 1870's New York #usa #general

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Phil,  
I suspect that it is just the way the info was transcribed and categorized.  It appears that Rebeke’s birth record was recorded in at least 2 places.   Note that one transcription included the certificate # while another one, using the same film, did not.   Also, I do not think it was usual to baptize an infant on the day of birth, but I’m not sure about that.

If you search for   rebeke wiener b 1870 in ny   these 3 records come up:   All have the same event date,  29 July 1870, but only one is is in a record set which includes christenings.  

   Microfilm #             database                                                             birth cert #
1. 1,322,029       https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HQB6-NBZM      not given

2   1,322,029      https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27BZ-RLR :        52185

3   1,315,318      https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27YF-RR8           not given


1st record.

Record Collection:
Document Information:
Reference ID 52185 
GS Film Number 1322029
Digital Folder Number 004193038 
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C59461-2
System Origin VR 
Record Number 12707191 
"New York Births and Christenings, 1640-1962", database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HQB6-NBZM : 21 January 2020), Rebeke Wiener, .


2nd record:  
  
"New York, New York City Births, 1846-1909," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27BZ-RLR : 11 Feb 2018), Rebeke Wiener, 29 Jul 1870; citing Manhattan, New York, New York, United States, reference cn 52185 New York Municipal Archives, New York; FHL microfilm 1,322,029.


3rd record: 
Record Collection:
Document Information:
Reference ID v 21 p 316 
GS Film Number 1315318
"New York, New York City Births, 1846-1909," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27YF-RR8 : 11 February 2018), Rebecca Weiner, 29 Jul 1870; citing Manhattan, New York, New York, United States, reference v 21 p 316 New York Municipal Archives, New York; FHL microfilm 1,315,318.

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

On Jul 20, 2020, at 6:52 AM, Phil Karlin <philk@...> wrote:
I've recently come across christenings records for Jewish relatives on FamilySearch. There are several siblings for whom such records exists. They look identical to the birth records except for the label. Since Family History Centers are closed for Covid-19, I can't see the originals. Here's a link to one: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HQB6-NBZM?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=KJC2-V2Y

All I can glean from reading the database description is that it's a database constructed by FamilySearch, and it's not clear where they got the underlying info. It's possible that recent Hungarian Jewish immigrants with a desire to assimilate had it done for 6 daughters over a decade. (Four married Jews and had Jewish families, one did not, one didn't marry.) Or is it possible that it's just something that happened in NYC hospitals in the 1870's, with or without parental permission? Would it have happened in the hospital, or in a church?


Re: Prior test database? I am Ashkenazi Jewish and need a bone marrow transplant to live #announcements

btkerman@...
 

Over the years I have gotten tested by both the GiftOfLife and BeTheMatch registries. At a local drive for a Jewish patient run by DKSM I was told that there was no need to be added to their system since the registries are all linked. 
I contacted Ezer Mizion and they confirmed that if you have been previously swabbed and added to another registry you don't need to join theirs. 
Binyamin Kerman
Baltimore MD


Kantor of Tetiev #ukraine

staciaancestry@...
 

Looking for information about the Kantor family. Looks like they came from Tetiev, Ukraine, but need help getting unstuck in my search. Can't find them in any research there. Brothers Aaron (went by Henry too) and Edward seem to have married Sirgutz sisters. Lost Edward when he got to US too. Might have gone to Buffalo? Aaron stayed in NYC. I'd appreciate a push to get moving again. Thanks.
Stacia


Re: Percentages of ancestry - my Ashkenazi father seems to be partly of Italian/Greek descent? #dna

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Sarah Rose Werner,
I'm tying into this thread late, but would like to share an angle that might still be insightful to you. After years of intensive research on the origins of Jewish ethnicity, I have reached the conclusion that what we call Ashkenazi is a compilation of several ethnicities. Your typical ancestry report sees these components and reports them as SE Europe or E Europe or others, but there is more to it than that. I have developed a study method which goes deeper than usual to identify ancient cultures (not only Jewish) which are underneath the Ashkenazi surface. I can apply this method to a single individual or to a paternal/maternal pair. In either case, both sides of the deep ancestry are identifiable, although only in the latter can the results specify which branch donated what. In your instance, since you have a very different paternal/maternal ancestry, the parental attributions from a single-individual study will be almost as clear as if you had DNA from both parental lines. If you are interested I can send you an explanation of how this works.
Cordially,
Adam Cherson
NY, NY


Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania

Trudy Barch
 

I recently posted on this site about my Russian family Glauberman and its many spellings.   Through other genners I learned about conscription   There was no formal adoption like today.  Many families with several sons would give one boy to a neighboring family that had no sons.   This was a common practice to keep the boy out of military school and service. Often conversion went along with the military school.   Judy in my family, one boy was given to a Meddnik family.  Similar name or different spelling????   I wonder if we are talking about the same family.     Trudy Barch


Re: Emigration Routes to London UK 1890s #courland #latvia #russia #poland #general

Diane Jacobs
 

My great grandparents and children did the same route from Vilna in early 1888 .

Diane Jacobs 



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Date: 7/19/20 8:58 AM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Emigration Routes to London UK 1890s #general #courland #latvia #russia #poland

This is from the report of a couple leaving from Kozelets in Chernigi=ov in Ukraine: They went to Hamburg where they boarded the Sprite on May 24, 1890, which took them to Hull, on the east coast of England. They took a train across England to Liverpool where they boarded the City of Chicago, which arrived in New York on June 9. I have no idea how common a route that might have been.
--
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Re: Martin family, Prestwich, England #unitedkingdom

VINCENT JEFFERY
 

Hi. I am a Mancunian. Strangeways was a predominately Jewish area in the 1880s and early 1900s. Prestwich was part of Manchester, Lancashire and is now part of Greater Manchester. It has a very large population of Jewish people and there is a local Jewish paper that has a roots page periodically. Maybe you can contact them. Hope this helps. regards Suzanne