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Re: FamilySearch Christening records in 1870's New York #usa #general

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

But those were not recorded in NYC records, b/c they were not contemporaneous..  The LDS baptisms were recorded ONLY in LDS records NOT municipal records.

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ.


On Jul 20, 2020, at 9:33 AM, David Oseas via groups.jewishgen.org <doseas=yahoo.com@...> wrote:

For a period of time, the LDS church engaged in the controversial practice of posthumous baptism of Jewish individuals:  https://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/ldsagree.html  They have since stopped the practice.

Regards,
David Oseas _._,_._,_


Hungarian Elementary School Yearbook records #hungary #education

Ed Zwieback
 

I received several pages from "Elementary School Yearbooks" for years 1894-98, for grades 1-3.  These are formal printed pages with up to 40 student names (all boys) and their scores in up to 14 subjects. I have lost contact with my source and don't know where these came from.  I have never seen any records like these.  I welcome any info on where these books can be accessed.  I'll be happy to send these pages to anyone interested.

Ed Zwieback
California
http://ezwieback.com/ZFN-p/index.htm


Re: Hebrew Translation for two Tombstones #names #translation

esriel@...
 

The left one reads:

Feivel Zevulun, son of Yisrael, died Shvat 26, 5697

The right one:

My husband and our dear father (Rabbi) Zeev, son of Tzvi, died Shvat 10, 5697

Normally the American names started with the same letter as the Jewish.

So Feivel became Phillip. The second one, I assume, was called Wolf (translation of Zeev in German or Yiddish) and so he became William


Re: FamilySearch Christening records in 1870's New York #usa #general

David Oseas
 

For a period of time, the LDS church engaged in the controversial practice of posthumous baptism of Jewish individuals:  https://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/ldsagree.html  They have since stopped the practice.

Regards,
David Oseas


Help needed with Russian Translation of Record on ViewMate #translation

Arlene Glass
 

Hi,
I need translation of records from Lomza Poland that are written in Russian. There are three birth records and one death record. May I have a full translation for one of the births. The other two I only need a translation of the birth dates. For the death record, I only need the date and the parents' names. 
 
They are all part of the Kolaczek family. The names should be David Ick, Gerszk Berek, Leja Gitla, and the death record should be Judes.The links are below. 
 
Please respond using the on line ViewMate form. 
 
Thank you so much,
 
Arlene Glass
Atlanta, Georgia
 
 
 


Hebrew Translation for two Tombstones #names #translation

lfrydl@...
 

Hi:
If someone could translate these, I'd really appreciate it. I'm basically looking for their Hebrew names.

Thanks so much!
Linda Mallin Frydl
Maryland, USA




Re: Viewmate Translation Request - Russian #translation

ryabinkym@...
 

 

 

 

 

VM83146

 

In Russian:

 

298

Маша Вейсблех.

Состоялось в городе Лублин 20-го июня (3-го июля) 1907 года в 10 часов утра.  Явился еврей: Исер-Мендель Вeйсблех, торговец, 47-и лет, житель города Люблина, вприсутствии свидетелей Израиля Фраймана, поденщика, 59-и лет и Шимона Менделя, домовладельца, 55-и лет, жителей города Люблина и предъявили нам девочку, объявляя, что она родилась в городе Люблин, в доме под номером 637, 10-го  (23-го) апреля 1901-го года в 12 часов дня от него и законной жены Ройзы-Малки, урожденной Шварц, 42-х лет.  Девочке этой дано имя Маша. Позднее заявление ничем не оправдано.  Акт сей присутствующим прочитан, ими и нами подписан.

 

Исер-Мендель Вeйсблех

Израиль Фрайман  

Шимон Мендель

Чиновник гражданского состояния        Подпись

 

Translate into English:

 

298

 

Masha Weisblech.

 

Held in the city of Dublin on June 20 (July 3), 1907, at 10 a.m. A Jew appeared: Iser-Mendel Weissblech, a merchant, 47 years old, a resident of the city of Lublin, in the presence of Israeli witnesses Freiman, day laborer, 59 years old and Shimon Mendel, a homeowner, 55 years old, residents of the city of Lublin and presented us with a girl, announcing that she was born in the city of Lublin, in the house at number 637, on April 10th (23rd), 1901, at 12 noon from him and 42-year-old Royza Malka's legal wife, nee Schwartz. This girl is given the name Masha. The later statement is unjustified. This act has been read to those present, they and we have signed.

 

 

 

Iser-Mendel Weissblech

 

Israel Freiman

 

Shimon Mendel

 

Civil Status Officer Signature

 

VM83147

 

In Russian:

 

In Russian:

 

405

Состоялось в городе Люблин 22-го августа (4-го сентября) 1901-го года в 10 часов утра.  Явился еврей: Барух-Мордка Вайсблех, работник, 41-го года, житель города Люблина, в присутствии свидетелей Берки Тухмана, домовладельца, 39-и лет и Шимона Менделя, работника, 49-и лет, жителей города Люблина и предъявили нам мальчика, объявляя, что она родилась в городе Люблин, в доме под номером 638, 13-го  (25-го) декабря 1896-го года в 8 часов утра от него и законной жены Хаи, урожденной Фрим, 30-и лет.  Ребенку этому при обрезании дано имя Пинхас. Позднее заявление ничем не оправдано.  Акт сей присутствующим прочитан, ими и нами подписан.

 

 

Берка Тухман  

Шимон Мендель

Чиновник гражданского состояния        Подпись

 

Translate into English:

 

405

 

Held in the city of Lublin on August 22 (September 4), 1901, at 10 a.m. A Jew appeared: Baruch-Mordka Weissblech, a 41-year-old worker, a resident of the city of Lublin, in the presence of witnesses Berka Tuchman, a 39-year-old homeowner and Shimon Mendel, a 49-year-old worker, residents of the city of Lublin and presented us with a boy, announcing that she was born in the city of Lublin, in the house at number 638, on the 13th (25th) of December 1896 at 8 o’clock in the morning from him and her lawful wife, nee Frim, 30 years old. When circumcised, this child was given the name Pinchas. The later statement is unjustified. This act has been read to those present, they and we have signed.

 

 

 

 

 

Berka Tuchman

 

Shimon Mendel

 

Civil Status Officer Signature


Re: FamilySearch Christening records in 1870's New York #usa #general

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Phil,  
I suspect that it is just the way the info was transcribed and categorized.  It appears that Rebeke’s birth record was recorded in at least 2 places.   Note that one transcription included the certificate # while another one, using the same film, did not.   Also, I do not think it was usual to baptize an infant on the day of birth, but I’m not sure about that.

If you search for   rebeke wiener b 1870 in ny   these 3 records come up:   All have the same event date,  29 July 1870, but only one is is in a record set which includes christenings.  

   Microfilm #             database                                                             birth cert #
1. 1,322,029       https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HQB6-NBZM      not given

2   1,322,029      https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27BZ-RLR :        52185

3   1,315,318      https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27YF-RR8           not given


1st record.

Record Collection:
Document Information:
Reference ID 52185 
GS Film Number 1322029
Digital Folder Number 004193038 
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C59461-2
System Origin VR 
Record Number 12707191 
"New York Births and Christenings, 1640-1962", database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HQB6-NBZM : 21 January 2020), Rebeke Wiener, .


2nd record:  
  
"New York, New York City Births, 1846-1909," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27BZ-RLR : 11 Feb 2018), Rebeke Wiener, 29 Jul 1870; citing Manhattan, New York, New York, United States, reference cn 52185 New York Municipal Archives, New York; FHL microfilm 1,322,029.


3rd record: 
Record Collection:
Document Information:
Reference ID v 21 p 316 
GS Film Number 1315318
"New York, New York City Births, 1846-1909," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27YF-RR8 : 11 February 2018), Rebecca Weiner, 29 Jul 1870; citing Manhattan, New York, New York, United States, reference v 21 p 316 New York Municipal Archives, New York; FHL microfilm 1,315,318.

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

On Jul 20, 2020, at 6:52 AM, Phil Karlin <philk@...> wrote:
I've recently come across christenings records for Jewish relatives on FamilySearch. There are several siblings for whom such records exists. They look identical to the birth records except for the label. Since Family History Centers are closed for Covid-19, I can't see the originals. Here's a link to one: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HQB6-NBZM?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=KJC2-V2Y

All I can glean from reading the database description is that it's a database constructed by FamilySearch, and it's not clear where they got the underlying info. It's possible that recent Hungarian Jewish immigrants with a desire to assimilate had it done for 6 daughters over a decade. (Four married Jews and had Jewish families, one did not, one didn't marry.) Or is it possible that it's just something that happened in NYC hospitals in the 1870's, with or without parental permission? Would it have happened in the hospital, or in a church?


Re: Prior test database? I am Ashkenazi Jewish and need a bone marrow transplant to live #announcements

btkerman@...
 

Over the years I have gotten tested by both the GiftOfLife and BeTheMatch registries. At a local drive for a Jewish patient run by DKSM I was told that there was no need to be added to their system since the registries are all linked. 
I contacted Ezer Mizion and they confirmed that if you have been previously swabbed and added to another registry you don't need to join theirs. 
Binyamin Kerman
Baltimore MD


Kantor of Tetiev #ukraine

staciaancestry@...
 

Looking for information about the Kantor family. Looks like they came from Tetiev, Ukraine, but need help getting unstuck in my search. Can't find them in any research there. Brothers Aaron (went by Henry too) and Edward seem to have married Sirgutz sisters. Lost Edward when he got to US too. Might have gone to Buffalo? Aaron stayed in NYC. I'd appreciate a push to get moving again. Thanks.
Stacia


Re: Percentages of ancestry - my Ashkenazi father seems to be partly of Italian/Greek descent? #dna

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Sarah Rose Werner,
I'm tying into this thread late, but would like to share an angle that might still be insightful to you. After years of intensive research on the origins of Jewish ethnicity, I have reached the conclusion that what we call Ashkenazi is a compilation of several ethnicities. Your typical ancestry report sees these components and reports them as SE Europe or E Europe or others, but there is more to it than that. I have developed a study method which goes deeper than usual to identify ancient cultures (not only Jewish) which are underneath the Ashkenazi surface. I can apply this method to a single individual or to a paternal/maternal pair. In either case, both sides of the deep ancestry are identifiable, although only in the latter can the results specify which branch donated what. In your instance, since you have a very different paternal/maternal ancestry, the parental attributions from a single-individual study will be almost as clear as if you had DNA from both parental lines. If you are interested I can send you an explanation of how this works.
Cordially,
Adam Cherson
NY, NY


Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania

Trudy Barch
 

I recently posted on this site about my Russian family Glauberman and its many spellings.   Through other genners I learned about conscription   There was no formal adoption like today.  Many families with several sons would give one boy to a neighboring family that had no sons.   This was a common practice to keep the boy out of military school and service. Often conversion went along with the military school.   Judy in my family, one boy was given to a Meddnik family.  Similar name or different spelling????   I wonder if we are talking about the same family.     Trudy Barch


Re: Emigration Routes to London UK 1890s #courland #latvia #russia #poland #general

Diane Jacobs
 

My great grandparents and children did the same route from Vilna in early 1888 .

Diane Jacobs 



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Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Emigration Routes to London UK 1890s #general #courland #latvia #russia #poland

This is from the report of a couple leaving from Kozelets in Chernigi=ov in Ukraine: They went to Hamburg where they boarded the Sprite on May 24, 1890, which took them to Hull, on the east coast of England. They took a train across England to Liverpool where they boarded the City of Chicago, which arrived in New York on June 9. I have no idea how common a route that might have been.
--
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Re: Martin family, Prestwich, England #unitedkingdom

VINCENT JEFFERY
 

Hi. I am a Mancunian. Strangeways was a predominately Jewish area in the 1880s and early 1900s. Prestwich was part of Manchester, Lancashire and is now part of Greater Manchester. It has a very large population of Jewish people and there is a local Jewish paper that has a roots page periodically. Maybe you can contact them. Hope this helps. regards Suzanne  


Re: Martin family, Prestwich, England #unitedkingdom

Philip
 

Hi Judy,

I'm not sure I can help with tracing the family, but I can certainly supply you with information about the area, as I live in Prestwich!  Incidentally, your N.B. is a little wide of the mark - these days Prestwich is part of the Bury local authority area, which borders Manchester on its (Bury's) southern edge.

Using your info I spotted a birth record for a Rebecca Martin, birth registered in the June 1859 quarter in the Chorlton registration district.  Chorlton covered part of South Manchester, whereas of course Strangeways was (and is) north of Manchester City Centre.  No idea whether this is 'your' Rebecca - we'd need the actual birth certificate to check.  Anyway let me know if I can be of any more help.

Kind regards, Philip


FamilySearch Christening records in 1870's New York #usa #general

Phil Karlin
 

I've recently come across christenings records for Jewish relatives on FamilySearch. There are several siblings for whom such records exists. They look identical to the birth records except for the label. Since Family History Centers are closed for Covid-19, I can't see the originals. Here's a link to one: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HQB6-NBZM?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=KJC2-V2Y

All I can glean from reading the database description is that it's a database constructed by FamilySearch, and it's not clear where they got the underlying info. It's possible that recent Hungarian Jewish immigrants with a desire to assimilate had it done for 6 daughters over a decade. (Four married Jews and had Jewish families, one did not, one didn't marry.) Or is it possible that it's just something that happened in NYC hospitals in the 1870's, with or without parental permission? Would it have happened in the hospital, or in a church?

What should I make of it?

Phil Karlin


Re: My father seeking neighborhood friends from Bayside, Queens #names #usa

indsnw@...
 

Hi Sarah,

There is a Facebook group, Queens Back In The Day, which, if you join the group on FB, has had many people posting names of people they are looking for from their youths in Queens, with successful outcomes. Best of luck
 https://www.facebook.com/groups/QueensBackInTheDay/


Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania

Sarah L Meyer
 

I have a similar story on my father's side.  My great grandfather ostensibly purchased papers to avoid the Czarist conscription.  He bought the surname MEYER (although I like the adoption part too) because I don't think his first name was changed.  Fortunately we know that the original name was PERCHIK   So Fishel PERCHIK became Fishel MEYER and came to the US in 1884 as Fishel MEYER.  His wife Rebecca came in 1887 as Rebecca MEYER but she had been previously married - we don't know to whom.  Her maiden name was HITE.  My mother (z"l) was talking to a woman in Seattle about 1960 and the woman asked if they could be related because her maiden name was also MEYER.  My mother related this story--- and the woman had the identical story in her family.
--
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Re: Understanding Russia/Poland #general #russia #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

 
 
The Jewish birth, marriage and death records of Poland displayed on JewishGen were
indexed/extracted by Jewish Records Indexing-Poland <https://jri-poland.org//>
They are displayed on JewishGen.org as a courtesy and service to all researchers.
 
The JRI-Poland search system which can be accessed by clicking on "search" on the
navigation bar provides multiple options for searching.
 
There are distinctive features for searching the JRI-Poland database that new researchers
may be not be aware of.  It is possible for all researchers to search the JRI-Poland database
by surname, given name, town, and keyword or a combination of up to four of these. 
 
There are other options that are unique to JRI-Poland. You can search by year ranges and
record types.  Also, only by searching through the JRI-Poland portal can you specify a
radius of, say, 25, 50 or 100 kilometers or miles from certain geographical coordinates.
This can still focus your search, but also yield results from several different Gubernias. 
These features will be further enhanced with the expanded search system now under
development under JRI-Poland's "Next Generation website and data management project."
 
Together, these features provide an invaluable tool to researchers – both for expanding your
overview or focusing searches and solving dilemmas associated with too many results when
a search involves large towns and common surnames - or even finding the long-forgotten town
name that has eluded you.
 
Coincidentally, as an example of optional search paramaters, just yesterday, in response to 
a post regarding research for a Kuty record. Logan Kleinwaks wrote (thank you, Logan),"

 

        "Although Kuty marriage records from this time might not be known to survive, this

         record was registered in Kolomyja, where the marriage took place and where the

         bride lived. Found by searching JRI-Poland for surname KLINGER and town Kuty."

 
To learn more about the current status on indexing/extraction of the records for your town,
write to [townname]@jri-poland.org
 
Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.  (Montreal, 514-484-0100)
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.
 

Understanding Russia/Poland #general #russia #poland
From: Rachel
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 22:37:00 EDT

 

The only information that I have on my ggf's birthplace comes from his

marriage authorisation in the UK dated 1893 which says Russia/Poland. 

He was born in 1871.

 

I know that the boundaries changed and that the Jewishgen databases

show the ruling areas by town.

 

My issue is I don't know which town, or Gurbenia he came from.

Is there anything that can help me work out whether he was born in Poland

which then became part of Russia, or Russia which became part of Poland?

Rachel Poole UK

 


Re: נושא חן. #belarus

Beth Erez
 

There is facebook site for Shklov (Jewish Families from Shklov, Belarus) and a researcher who maintains an open google drive with the following lists.  Maybe going through them you might find a name similar to that you are looking for. 

 
 

Hi Everyone,

I have been doing some work to collect and catalogue Shklov genealogical information and make it more accessible for researchers.

In this Google folder you will find a number of lists of Jews from Shklov that I have catalogued. I hope you find the information useful.

I am still working on a few more lists, but in the meantime, the folder includes the following information:

A full list of people buried in the Jewish cemetery in Shklov.

A list of the largest Jewish businesses in Shklov in 1902.

A list of Jews from Shklov mentioned in Mogilevskie Gubernskie Vedomosti in 1907 & 1912.

A list of Jewish public workers from Shklov extracted from Mogilev Gubernia Memory Books published in 1864-1916.

A list of students of the Shklov Jewish Elementary School who studied military gymnastics in 1896/1897.

A list of Jews from Shklov who were given the certificate of a Melamed (teacher) in 1896 and 1900.

A list of Jewish professionals & businessmen from Shklov extracted from Mogilev Gubernia Memory Books published in 1864-1916.

A list of appointed Rabbis from Shklov extracted From Mogilev Gubernia Memory Books published in 1869-1913.

A full list of people buried with the Second Schklover Welfare Society in Beth David Cemetery and Washington Cemetery.

A full list of people buried with the Schklover Independent Benevolent Association in Mount Zion Cemetery.

A list of members of the Schklover Independent Benevolent Association.

A list of Shklov Gedmatch Numbers.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1W-8JolMYt_sZ7TgTjRxz8p3sYUswOGYo&fbclid=IwAR1pXfZ3MEQZb3qpQFv6Pnj6omkyoGW1C1JsE_FMv5ivUlKErTvGyehH1Hg


FOR EXAMPLE, if you look at 
List of Students of the Shklov Jewish Elementary School Who Studied Military Gymnastics in 1896/1897, there is the name: Neusikhin, Dovid (also written there as 

Неусихин Довид

That looks pretty close to me.  And I only looked at that one list (because it is the one that I found a potential relative of ours on it)