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Identification of members of the KRONMAN Family #general

Martin Kronman <mkronman@...>
 

In my research of the KRONMAN genealogy I have found at least three family
lines >from Poland, a very large one >from Hungary and a single line >from the
Ukraine. I now find myself with many more individual KRONMANs which I
cannot asign to any tree or relate to any indivuals that I have knowledge
of. The following names were gleaned >from birth certificates and
Declarations of Intent (Naturalization). I would appreciate hearing from
any Jewishgeners or others who might have more information about them.

1. Arthur Sydney KRONMAN
b 1902 in Manhattan, NY; d unknown
Father: Herman KRONMAN; was a cap manufacturer
b 1877 in Russia (Poland?); d unknown
Mother: Annie FRIEDLANDER
b 1880 in Russia (Poland?) d unknown
lived in 1902 at 1755 Madison Ave. Manhattan

2. Toni Kronman (female)
b 1894, Manhattan; d unknown
Father: Unknown (not given) KRONMAN
b 1850, Hungary; operated a coffee house
Mother: Hani GRUN (umlaut over U)
b 1858, Hungary; d unknown
lived in 1894 at 180 2d Ave Manhattan

3. Abraham KRONMAN; shoe cutter
b 1875, London, England d unknown
date of document: 9/13/1917
wife: Esther
lived at 1293 Prospect St, Brooklyn, NY
Port of Enbarkation: Southhampton
Ship: St Louis; date of arrival: Aug 20, 1905

4. Hyman KRONMAN; foreman
b 1875, Bialystok, Poland
date of document: 5/28/1917
wife: Annie; born in Russia(Poland?)
lived at 290 Bradford St, Brooklyn, NY
Port of Embarkation: Hamburg, Germany
Ship: not stated; date of arrival March 9, 1886

5. Pauline KRONMAN; advertising
b 1900, London England
date of document: 4/21/1921
lived at 63 Decator St. Brooklyn, NY
Port of Embarkation: Southhampton
Ship St. Louis; date of arrival Feb 19, 1907

Any clues will be greatly appreciated; please respond privately.

Martin J. Kronman
Syracuse, NY

Researching: KRONMAN in the United States, Poland, Hungary, the Ukraine


Re: Zlota/Golda and Gitla? #general

Howard Zakai
 

Kirsten,
While I cannot offer any definite thoughts on relating Gittel and
Golda (although I am sure it cannot be ruled out) I can say that Zlata can
be the name for Lottie as well. An example runs repeatedly through my
family. Hope this helps in some way.

Howie Zakai
Staten Island, NY


Re: Yiddish for Elias #general

Howard Zakai
 

Andrea,
I am not an expert on names, but my feeling is that Elias could be a
Yiddish nickname for the Hebrew Eliyahu (Elijah in English). Hope this
helps.

Howie Zakai
Staten Island, NY


Re: Adding someone to the SSDI #general

MarlaJAP@...
 

Cynthia:

I couldn't say whether someone could be added to the SSDI years after
their death - that seems unlikely, but anything is possible, given the
copies of the SSDI ones we access on-line can vary >from site to site as
to their contents (i.e., Ancestry vs. Rootsweb).

I have learned >from this list and other places that the decedent does not
have to have been collecting Social Security at the time of their death.
The person's death has to have been reported to the Social Security
Administration, which usually only occurs when there is some kind of claim
involved. Claims might include survivor's benefits for spouse and/or
minor children, death benefits (the famous $255 towards burial expenses),
or the decedent's own retirement or disability benefit. Otherwise, the
death would probably not have been reported to the Social Security
Administration.

If you've never taken a peek at it, there's a pretty good info file on the
SSDI and Social Security records use at JewishGen:

http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/us-ssa.txt

The FAQ about SSDI on Ancestry is even better, lots more information,
including how to get your ancestor's incorrect or incomplete record fixed.

http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/vital/ssdi/faq.htm

Hope this helps...

Regards,

Marla Goldman
Mesa AZ

Researching:
GOLDMAN/CITRIN/KOPYT - Olyka, Volhynia, Ukraine/Philadelphia PA and
Boston MA USA
REINER - Germany or Russia?/Rosenhayn NJ/Philadelphia PA/Boston MA USA
BLEICHER/BLOCHER - Rumania/NYC NY/Philadelphia PA/Boston MA USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Identification of members of the KRONMAN Family #general

Martin Kronman <mkronman@...>
 

In my research of the KRONMAN genealogy I have found at least three family
lines >from Poland, a very large one >from Hungary and a single line >from the
Ukraine. I now find myself with many more individual KRONMANs which I
cannot asign to any tree or relate to any indivuals that I have knowledge
of. The following names were gleaned >from birth certificates and
Declarations of Intent (Naturalization). I would appreciate hearing from
any Jewishgeners or others who might have more information about them.

1. Arthur Sydney KRONMAN
b 1902 in Manhattan, NY; d unknown
Father: Herman KRONMAN; was a cap manufacturer
b 1877 in Russia (Poland?); d unknown
Mother: Annie FRIEDLANDER
b 1880 in Russia (Poland?) d unknown
lived in 1902 at 1755 Madison Ave. Manhattan

2. Toni Kronman (female)
b 1894, Manhattan; d unknown
Father: Unknown (not given) KRONMAN
b 1850, Hungary; operated a coffee house
Mother: Hani GRUN (umlaut over U)
b 1858, Hungary; d unknown
lived in 1894 at 180 2d Ave Manhattan

3. Abraham KRONMAN; shoe cutter
b 1875, London, England d unknown
date of document: 9/13/1917
wife: Esther
lived at 1293 Prospect St, Brooklyn, NY
Port of Enbarkation: Southhampton
Ship: St Louis; date of arrival: Aug 20, 1905

4. Hyman KRONMAN; foreman
b 1875, Bialystok, Poland
date of document: 5/28/1917
wife: Annie; born in Russia(Poland?)
lived at 290 Bradford St, Brooklyn, NY
Port of Embarkation: Hamburg, Germany
Ship: not stated; date of arrival March 9, 1886

5. Pauline KRONMAN; advertising
b 1900, London England
date of document: 4/21/1921
lived at 63 Decator St. Brooklyn, NY
Port of Embarkation: Southhampton
Ship St. Louis; date of arrival Feb 19, 1907

Any clues will be greatly appreciated; please respond privately.

Martin J. Kronman
Syracuse, NY

Researching: KRONMAN in the United States, Poland, Hungary, the Ukraine


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Zlota/Golda and Gitla? #general

Howard Zakai
 

Kirsten,
While I cannot offer any definite thoughts on relating Gittel and
Golda (although I am sure it cannot be ruled out) I can say that Zlata can
be the name for Lottie as well. An example runs repeatedly through my
family. Hope this helps in some way.

Howie Zakai
Staten Island, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Yiddish for Elias #general

Howard Zakai
 

Andrea,
I am not an expert on names, but my feeling is that Elias could be a
Yiddish nickname for the Hebrew Eliyahu (Elijah in English). Hope this
helps.

Howie Zakai
Staten Island, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Adding someone to the SSDI #general

MarlaJAP@...
 

Cynthia:

I couldn't say whether someone could be added to the SSDI years after
their death - that seems unlikely, but anything is possible, given the
copies of the SSDI ones we access on-line can vary >from site to site as
to their contents (i.e., Ancestry vs. Rootsweb).

I have learned >from this list and other places that the decedent does not
have to have been collecting Social Security at the time of their death.
The person's death has to have been reported to the Social Security
Administration, which usually only occurs when there is some kind of claim
involved. Claims might include survivor's benefits for spouse and/or
minor children, death benefits (the famous $255 towards burial expenses),
or the decedent's own retirement or disability benefit. Otherwise, the
death would probably not have been reported to the Social Security
Administration.

If you've never taken a peek at it, there's a pretty good info file on the
SSDI and Social Security records use at JewishGen:

http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/us-ssa.txt

The FAQ about SSDI on Ancestry is even better, lots more information,
including how to get your ancestor's incorrect or incomplete record fixed.

http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/vital/ssdi/faq.htm

Hope this helps...

Regards,

Marla Goldman
Mesa AZ

Researching:
GOLDMAN/CITRIN/KOPYT - Olyka, Volhynia, Ukraine/Philadelphia PA and
Boston MA USA
REINER - Germany or Russia?/Rosenhayn NJ/Philadelphia PA/Boston MA USA
BLEICHER/BLOCHER - Rumania/NYC NY/Philadelphia PA/Boston MA USA


Re: given name Lazel ? #belarus

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Dear all,

Alexander Kott wrote:

What might be the origin of the given masculine name
Lazel?

I assume it is >from Eliezer (similar to Leizer, Lazer,
etc.) Could there be other possibilities?
Boris Feldblyum lists in his book "Russian-Jewish Given Names" the male
given name Lazl as a derivation of Eliezer just as Alexander Kott presumed.
Mr Feldblyum though also list another simililar-looking name, Lazal, which
he says is derived >from Yekusiel.

So, there seems to be two main possibilities for the origin of the male
given name Lazel.

Best regards,

Adam Katzeff
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@mail.bip.net

Researching:
LEVINTAL / LEVINTHAL: Surazh+Vitebsk+Yanavichy, Belarus
NEMTSOV / NEMZOFF: Vitsebsk, Belarus; Sweden; Denmark
NEMCHENKO / NEMCHENOK / NEMTSCHENKO: Mstislavl+Surazh+Vitsebsk+
Yanavichy, Belarus; St Petersburg, Russia; Sweden
NIVOROSHKIN / NEWOROSCHKIN / NIVAROSCHKIN / NIWOROSCHKIN:
Astrouna+Surazh, Belarus; Rostov-na-Donu, Russia; Sweden; Denmark;
New York, NY, USA


Belarus SIG #Belarus SV: given name Lazel ? #belarus

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Dear all,

Alexander Kott wrote:

What might be the origin of the given masculine name
Lazel?

I assume it is >from Eliezer (similar to Leizer, Lazer,
etc.) Could there be other possibilities?
Boris Feldblyum lists in his book "Russian-Jewish Given Names" the male
given name Lazl as a derivation of Eliezer just as Alexander Kott presumed.
Mr Feldblyum though also list another simililar-looking name, Lazal, which
he says is derived >from Yekusiel.

So, there seems to be two main possibilities for the origin of the male
given name Lazel.

Best regards,

Adam Katzeff
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@mail.bip.net

Researching:
LEVINTAL / LEVINTHAL: Surazh+Vitebsk+Yanavichy, Belarus
NEMTSOV / NEMZOFF: Vitsebsk, Belarus; Sweden; Denmark
NEMCHENKO / NEMCHENOK / NEMTSCHENKO: Mstislavl+Surazh+Vitsebsk+
Yanavichy, Belarus; St Petersburg, Russia; Sweden
NIVOROSHKIN / NEWOROSCHKIN / NIVAROSCHKIN / NIWOROSCHKIN:
Astrouna+Surazh, Belarus; Rostov-na-Donu, Russia; Sweden; Denmark;
New York, NY, USA


MARCUS, Freid, Marinpolsky, Brown, Bernstein #belarus

Dawn Glover <oldstuff@...>
 

Hello. I am researching the MARCUS line descended >from Abraham & Ida Marcus
who immigrated to US about 1875 and settled in Burlington VT. Their children
were: Jake, Louis, Nate, Rose Bernstein, Rachel Ruth Brown, Max and Mary
Marinpolsky. Although census records all indicate their place of birth as
Polish Russia or simply Russia, I am told recently by a very dependable
source that they came >from a "Litvak" or Lithuanian village called VEISIEJAI
or VISHEI in Yiddish. How is that possible? Was that once part of Polish
Russia or Russia?? Does anyone know how VEISIEJAI or VISHEI is pronounced?
Thanks in advance for any information. Best Regards,
Dawn Marcus-Glover
oldstuff@lcc.net
PS: the children listed above were all born between 1860's and 1880's. The
settled as follows:
Jake and Louis settled in Texas and I descend >from them.
Nate in Kalamazoo, MI
Rose Marcus m. Simon Bernstein settled in Nova Scotia
Rachel "Rae" Ruth m.William Brown settled in Newark NJ
Max m. Ethyl ?? , kids lived in Newark
Mary Marinpolsky died young, kids were (A) Anna Freid (Newark NJ)
(B) Louis / Lewis Marinpolsky (Rochester NY)

Signed (by moderator) Dawn Glover

PLEASE remember to sign your posts with your name and location


Belarus SIG #Belarus MARCUS, Freid, Marinpolsky, Brown, Bernstein #belarus

Dawn Glover <oldstuff@...>
 

Hello. I am researching the MARCUS line descended >from Abraham & Ida Marcus
who immigrated to US about 1875 and settled in Burlington VT. Their children
were: Jake, Louis, Nate, Rose Bernstein, Rachel Ruth Brown, Max and Mary
Marinpolsky. Although census records all indicate their place of birth as
Polish Russia or simply Russia, I am told recently by a very dependable
source that they came >from a "Litvak" or Lithuanian village called VEISIEJAI
or VISHEI in Yiddish. How is that possible? Was that once part of Polish
Russia or Russia?? Does anyone know how VEISIEJAI or VISHEI is pronounced?
Thanks in advance for any information. Best Regards,
Dawn Marcus-Glover
oldstuff@lcc.net
PS: the children listed above were all born between 1860's and 1880's. The
settled as follows:
Jake and Louis settled in Texas and I descend >from them.
Nate in Kalamazoo, MI
Rose Marcus m. Simon Bernstein settled in Nova Scotia
Rachel "Rae" Ruth m.William Brown settled in Newark NJ
Max m. Ethyl ?? , kids lived in Newark
Mary Marinpolsky died young, kids were (A) Anna Freid (Newark NJ)
(B) Louis / Lewis Marinpolsky (Rochester NY)

Signed (by moderator) Dawn Glover

PLEASE remember to sign your posts with your name and location


Re: * empty email messages #hungary

Gabor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

I have still some doubt as my browser is - even not the newsest - Netscape 4.7, but it is
capable fir HTML and also some MIME format (if I am correct). My setting in the file
preferences are (may be the translation is not quite correct as my browser is set up for
German) following for mail and discussion forum:
Message to be generated in HTML-editor
Messages to be send in text and HTML format (which means that both format are supported and
sent at the same time, at least that's my understanding)
I do not remember that anybody claimed, because of uncompatibility of my settings. Tom's
recomandation is definitely sound, the question is is that the problem. To reconfigur the
browser every time, is time consuming and you can forget, if HTML is the problem, than it
is a shortcoming of the server and not the individual receiver, because the server don't
forward messages properly which are not written in ASCII.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch

Tom Venetianer schrieb:

Dear Gabor and all,

As far as I can say, the reason for empty messages is that the sender
has sent you a HTML formatted message and your email program is not
configured to accept that format. What arrives is an empty message.

It is *highly* recommended to all members to send *text only*
messages. That is the safest way to warrant that their messages are
readable by everybody.

the best to all
Tom


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: * empty email messages #hungary

Gabor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

I have still some doubt as my browser is - even not the newsest - Netscape 4.7, but it is
capable fir HTML and also some MIME format (if I am correct). My setting in the file
preferences are (may be the translation is not quite correct as my browser is set up for
German) following for mail and discussion forum:
Message to be generated in HTML-editor
Messages to be send in text and HTML format (which means that both format are supported and
sent at the same time, at least that's my understanding)
I do not remember that anybody claimed, because of uncompatibility of my settings. Tom's
recomandation is definitely sound, the question is is that the problem. To reconfigur the
browser every time, is time consuming and you can forget, if HTML is the problem, than it
is a shortcoming of the server and not the individual receiver, because the server don't
forward messages properly which are not written in ASCII.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch

Tom Venetianer schrieb:

Dear Gabor and all,

As far as I can say, the reason for empty messages is that the sender
has sent you a HTML formatted message and your email program is not
configured to accept that format. What arrives is an empty message.

It is *highly* recommended to all members to send *text only*
messages. That is the safest way to warrant that their messages are
readable by everybody.

the best to all
Tom


RE MIME AND HTML #hungary

Martin Kronman <mkronman@...>
 

Avrumy Heschel recently wrote of an inability to send in plain text with
Juno 5.0. I have had a similar experience with Dellnet which originally was
a separate entity operated by Dell; I had used the Microsoft Internet
Explorer and its email feature which provided for the use of plain text.
Early this year Dellnet became "Dellnet by MSN" and when I foolishly went
along with this I got a new Microsoft browser with it. It turns out that
this "so called improved" browser had no capability for plain text. My
solution was to use my old Microsoft Browser and find a new local internet
service provider, dreamscape.com who talked me through an installation of
this browser for use with their server. I'm sure that the Netscape browser
would also do very well.

Martin Kronman
Syracuse, NY

Researching the Kronman name in Europe and the United States

mod.-this message and the following one by Gabor H. refer to the
difficulties in sending messages in "plain text" format. Even though
these messages are not directly related to our ongoing discussions I am
sending them along because if it helps one person, the message will have
been useful. We very much want to hear >from all H-sig subscribers
(currently 510), especially the names and towns they are researching and
their research experiences. Too often messages can't go out to the list
because they are not written in "Plain text" format. Regardless of whether
the problem is the e-mail program used or the processor used by Jewishgen
(our sponsor organization) messages sent in MIME or HTML formats cannot be
processed. These are technical problems which cannot be solved by H-sig.
In this situation we must go along with the listserver program. Regardless
of these exigencies, please send us the particular questions and data of
your genealogy quest - for your benefit and for the benefit of others -
just do it in "plain text" format, PLEASE.LS


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE MIME AND HTML #hungary

Martin Kronman <mkronman@...>
 

Avrumy Heschel recently wrote of an inability to send in plain text with
Juno 5.0. I have had a similar experience with Dellnet which originally was
a separate entity operated by Dell; I had used the Microsoft Internet
Explorer and its email feature which provided for the use of plain text.
Early this year Dellnet became "Dellnet by MSN" and when I foolishly went
along with this I got a new Microsoft browser with it. It turns out that
this "so called improved" browser had no capability for plain text. My
solution was to use my old Microsoft Browser and find a new local internet
service provider, dreamscape.com who talked me through an installation of
this browser for use with their server. I'm sure that the Netscape browser
would also do very well.

Martin Kronman
Syracuse, NY

Researching the Kronman name in Europe and the United States

mod.-this message and the following one by Gabor H. refer to the
difficulties in sending messages in "plain text" format. Even though
these messages are not directly related to our ongoing discussions I am
sending them along because if it helps one person, the message will have
been useful. We very much want to hear >from all H-sig subscribers
(currently 510), especially the names and towns they are researching and
their research experiences. Too often messages can't go out to the list
because they are not written in "Plain text" format. Regardless of whether
the problem is the e-mail program used or the processor used by Jewishgen
(our sponsor organization) messages sent in MIME or HTML formats cannot be
processed. These are technical problems which cannot be solved by H-sig.
In this situation we must go along with the listserver program. Regardless
of these exigencies, please send us the particular questions and data of
your genealogy quest - for your benefit and for the benefit of others -
just do it in "plain text" format, PLEASE.LS


Re: Vredehoek Shul, Cape town. #southafrica

dereksue <dereksue@...>
 

Boker Tov Haim
I was most impressed by your recent message on SASig, and wondered whether I
could ask your help with a problem I have about rabbis in South Africa:
I'm trying to trace a family member whose kinnui was Avram-Mitse, and whose
family name in Seda, Lithuania, was MOWSOWITZ. He left Lithuania for England
c 1890, married (twice, I believe), and went to SA where he was a rabbi,
schochet and mohel. I don't know where he studied for the rabbinate; he
died c 1930. (that's all the family legend).
I had been trying to trace him for an age without any success, when I came
across Rabbi Eliezer Hillel MATTHEWS in the 1929 SA Jewish Yearbook. There
is a photo of Matthews which looks similar to my photo of Mowsowitz; the
biographical info about Matthews is also similar to the little I know about
Mowsowitz. Matthews was rabbi in Krugersdorp until his death in 1929;
before that he had been in Kroonstad. I have pictures of his grave in
Krugersdorp; and copies of death certs of him and his wife, and am also in
touch with his descendants in Johannesburg, who tell me Matthews studied in
Gateshead, England.
My questions to you:
a) is any of the above familiar to you ?
b) how can I find out where these rabbis studied ?
c) Do you have any literature where either of these rabbis are listed ? and
hence:
d) how can I find a link between these two rabbis who are, I hope, in fact
the same person ?

I realise this is probably just a vain hope, but you seemed so well-up in SA
rabbis, that I thought I would try asking you.
Thanks for your attention

Shabbat Shalom and Hag Sameach
Derek Stavrou
Kfar Sava


Vredehoek Shul #southafrica

tuis <tuis@...>
 

Dear All
Thanks for your replies.
There seems to be a bit of dissension in all the
various informations received!

Rabbi Duschinsky left the Vredehoek Shul and went
to the Schoonder Street Shul when Rabbi Marcus became
Rabbi of the Vredehoek Shul.
(My family were members of this Shul since at least 1940
until 1978).
Soon after 1978 the members of the Vredehoek Shul joined
with the Schoonder Street Shul as the congregations
had become smaller.

My information about Rev. Rabinowitz and Rabbi
Mirvish were obtained >from South African jewry, 1965.
I probably misread the part about Rev. Rabinowitz and
apologize for that mistake.

But my main query is "what has happened to the "Bimah";
"Aron Kodesh" and "Sifrei Torah" since the Vredehoek
Shul literally "closed its doors" in the early 1990's."
A lot of "Shuls" that closed down donated these artifacts
to various Jewish communities and I presume the
Vredehoek Shul did the same.

I have in the meantime received answers >from Cape Town
that my question is being attended to.

Many thanks=20
Beryl Baleson
Ra-anana, Israel.


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Vredehoek Shul, Cape town. #southafrica

dereksue <dereksue@...>
 

Boker Tov Haim
I was most impressed by your recent message on SASig, and wondered whether I
could ask your help with a problem I have about rabbis in South Africa:
I'm trying to trace a family member whose kinnui was Avram-Mitse, and whose
family name in Seda, Lithuania, was MOWSOWITZ. He left Lithuania for England
c 1890, married (twice, I believe), and went to SA where he was a rabbi,
schochet and mohel. I don't know where he studied for the rabbinate; he
died c 1930. (that's all the family legend).
I had been trying to trace him for an age without any success, when I came
across Rabbi Eliezer Hillel MATTHEWS in the 1929 SA Jewish Yearbook. There
is a photo of Matthews which looks similar to my photo of Mowsowitz; the
biographical info about Matthews is also similar to the little I know about
Mowsowitz. Matthews was rabbi in Krugersdorp until his death in 1929;
before that he had been in Kroonstad. I have pictures of his grave in
Krugersdorp; and copies of death certs of him and his wife, and am also in
touch with his descendants in Johannesburg, who tell me Matthews studied in
Gateshead, England.
My questions to you:
a) is any of the above familiar to you ?
b) how can I find out where these rabbis studied ?
c) Do you have any literature where either of these rabbis are listed ? and
hence:
d) how can I find a link between these two rabbis who are, I hope, in fact
the same person ?

I realise this is probably just a vain hope, but you seemed so well-up in SA
rabbis, that I thought I would try asking you.
Thanks for your attention

Shabbat Shalom and Hag Sameach
Derek Stavrou
Kfar Sava


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Vredehoek Shul #southafrica

tuis <tuis@...>
 

Dear All
Thanks for your replies.
There seems to be a bit of dissension in all the
various informations received!

Rabbi Duschinsky left the Vredehoek Shul and went
to the Schoonder Street Shul when Rabbi Marcus became
Rabbi of the Vredehoek Shul.
(My family were members of this Shul since at least 1940
until 1978).
Soon after 1978 the members of the Vredehoek Shul joined
with the Schoonder Street Shul as the congregations
had become smaller.

My information about Rev. Rabinowitz and Rabbi
Mirvish were obtained >from South African jewry, 1965.
I probably misread the part about Rev. Rabinowitz and
apologize for that mistake.

But my main query is "what has happened to the "Bimah";
"Aron Kodesh" and "Sifrei Torah" since the Vredehoek
Shul literally "closed its doors" in the early 1990's."
A lot of "Shuls" that closed down donated these artifacts
to various Jewish communities and I presume the
Vredehoek Shul did the same.

I have in the meantime received answers >from Cape Town
that my question is being attended to.

Many thanks=20
Beryl Baleson
Ra-anana, Israel.