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Before 1830 WINKLER, Gyomore, FRIED, Pest #hungary

Ulenspigel@...
 

Dear List;

Through LDS microfilms I've traced my WINKLER family in Gyomore and my FRIED
family in Pest to the 1820s and 1830s.

Is there anyplace I can find earlier records?

Doris Wilson
Rochester NY


Hungary SIG #Hungary Before 1830 WINKLER, Gyomore, FRIED, Pest #hungary

Ulenspigel@...
 

Dear List;

Through LDS microfilms I've traced my WINKLER family in Gyomore and my FRIED
family in Pest to the 1820s and 1830s.

Is there anyplace I can find earlier records?

Doris Wilson
Rochester NY


Hard "G" in Cyrillic #ukraine

Beryl Blickstein <beryl@...>
 

Actually, there is a "G" in the Cyrillic alphabet, and it is pronounced
as a "G" in Russian. It is, however, pronounced as "H" in Ukrainian and
Byelorussian.

Unfortunately, as a result, my Grandmother's surname of GITLER was
pronounced as "Hitler" in her home town of Kamenets-Podolsk, Ukraine.

Beryl Blickstein
Silver Spring MD

Researching: BLICKSTEIN, GITLER, SASONKIN, GREENGOUS, ARONOVSKY, HANKIN

Subject: Re:Chortkov
From: Ilene Murray <ilenemurray@mindspring.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 14:11:51 -0500
X-Message-Number: 4
----------------------------------------------------
Sonya, Nathan and others,

Is it possible that Chortkov is actually Horochov? That's a shtetl in
Volynhia on the Bug River, southeast of Brest. Sometimes it's spelled
Gorochov, since there really is no H in Russian.

Ilene Kanfer Murray in St. Louis
(My KANFERS come >from Horochov.)


Volhynia Gubernia data #ukraine

Josef Meszorer <jmesz@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Josef Meszorer
To: jsaltman@charter.net
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:03 PM
Subject: Volhynia gubernia data

I think you should include Berdichev on your Volhynia Gubernia towns list.
It is next to Zytomir, and it was 18-th and 19-th centuries most important
Jewish town, sometimes even called "Capital of the Jews".
Studying old maps of Volhynia, I found that at least about 1850 Berdichev
was shown in Volhynia Gubernia, and a century earlier, in times of Kingdom
of Poland, it was in Volhynia Gubernia as well.
By the end of 19th century it was, possibly together with Zytomir, part of
Kiev Gubernia.
Here is its short history:
(Other names: Berdicev, Bardichev, Berditchev, Berditchov, Berdyczow)
History of Berdichev:
(Courtesy of Beth Hatefutsoth, Museum of the Jewish Diaspora)

Berdichev is a town in the historic region of Volhynia province. Now in
Zhitomir Oblast, Ukrainian S.S.R. Apart >from two single references to
individual Jews >from Berdichev in 1593 and 1602, there is no evidence that a
Jewish Community existed in Berdichev before 1721. In 1732, the owner of the
town granted a charter to the Jewish Guild of Tailors freeing them from
interference by the communal authorities (kahal). The Jewish population
gradually increased with Berdichev's development as a fair town >from 1765.
According to the census of 1765, the Jews in Berdichev numbered 1,220 (out
of a total population of 1,541); they numbered 1,951 in 1789 (out of 2,460).
In 1794, Prince Radziwill, the owner of the town, deprived the rabbis of
their right of civil jurisdiction, which was transferred to a court to be
elected by majority Jewish vote. Berdichev had become an important center of
Volhynian Hasidism in the last quarter of the 18th century, and the Hasidim
were thus able to secure the election of Dayyanim so as to free themselves
from the jurisdiction
of the Kahal and its Mitnaggedim rabbis. As the town grew, a number of noted
scholars served as rabbis of Berdichev, including Lieber "the Great," Joseph
"the Charif," and, >from the end of the 18th century until his death in 1809,
Levi Isaac of Berdichev.

I hope, you find this information useful.
Regards,
Josef Meshorer
Toronto, Canada

MODERATOR'S NOTE: >from now on, suggestions for towns to be researched under Volhynia should be addressed strictly to Joanne Saltman personally at <jsaltman@charter.net>. However, because of the informative content of this letter, it has been approved. Thanks for your cooperation in this matter.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Hard "G" in Cyrillic #ukraine

Beryl Blickstein <beryl@...>
 

Actually, there is a "G" in the Cyrillic alphabet, and it is pronounced
as a "G" in Russian. It is, however, pronounced as "H" in Ukrainian and
Byelorussian.

Unfortunately, as a result, my Grandmother's surname of GITLER was
pronounced as "Hitler" in her home town of Kamenets-Podolsk, Ukraine.

Beryl Blickstein
Silver Spring MD

Researching: BLICKSTEIN, GITLER, SASONKIN, GREENGOUS, ARONOVSKY, HANKIN

Subject: Re:Chortkov
From: Ilene Murray <ilenemurray@mindspring.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 14:11:51 -0500
X-Message-Number: 4
----------------------------------------------------
Sonya, Nathan and others,

Is it possible that Chortkov is actually Horochov? That's a shtetl in
Volynhia on the Bug River, southeast of Brest. Sometimes it's spelled
Gorochov, since there really is no H in Russian.

Ilene Kanfer Murray in St. Louis
(My KANFERS come >from Horochov.)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Volhynia Gubernia data #ukraine

Josef Meszorer <jmesz@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Josef Meszorer
To: jsaltman@charter.net
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:03 PM
Subject: Volhynia gubernia data

I think you should include Berdichev on your Volhynia Gubernia towns list.
It is next to Zytomir, and it was 18-th and 19-th centuries most important
Jewish town, sometimes even called "Capital of the Jews".
Studying old maps of Volhynia, I found that at least about 1850 Berdichev
was shown in Volhynia Gubernia, and a century earlier, in times of Kingdom
of Poland, it was in Volhynia Gubernia as well.
By the end of 19th century it was, possibly together with Zytomir, part of
Kiev Gubernia.
Here is its short history:
(Other names: Berdicev, Bardichev, Berditchev, Berditchov, Berdyczow)
History of Berdichev:
(Courtesy of Beth Hatefutsoth, Museum of the Jewish Diaspora)

Berdichev is a town in the historic region of Volhynia province. Now in
Zhitomir Oblast, Ukrainian S.S.R. Apart >from two single references to
individual Jews >from Berdichev in 1593 and 1602, there is no evidence that a
Jewish Community existed in Berdichev before 1721. In 1732, the owner of the
town granted a charter to the Jewish Guild of Tailors freeing them from
interference by the communal authorities (kahal). The Jewish population
gradually increased with Berdichev's development as a fair town >from 1765.
According to the census of 1765, the Jews in Berdichev numbered 1,220 (out
of a total population of 1,541); they numbered 1,951 in 1789 (out of 2,460).
In 1794, Prince Radziwill, the owner of the town, deprived the rabbis of
their right of civil jurisdiction, which was transferred to a court to be
elected by majority Jewish vote. Berdichev had become an important center of
Volhynian Hasidism in the last quarter of the 18th century, and the Hasidim
were thus able to secure the election of Dayyanim so as to free themselves
from the jurisdiction
of the Kahal and its Mitnaggedim rabbis. As the town grew, a number of noted
scholars served as rabbis of Berdichev, including Lieber "the Great," Joseph
"the Charif," and, >from the end of the 18th century until his death in 1809,
Levi Isaac of Berdichev.

I hope, you find this information useful.
Regards,
Josef Meshorer
Toronto, Canada

MODERATOR'S NOTE: >from now on, suggestions for towns to be researched under Volhynia should be addressed strictly to Joanne Saltman personally at <jsaltman@charter.net>. However, because of the informative content of this letter, it has been approved. Thanks for your cooperation in this matter.


Volhynia Gubernia List #ukraine

Mona Panitz <mgpanitz@...>
 

Hello,
Could you kindly add CHARTORIYSK, to the Volhynia list?
Many thanks! Mona Panitz, Long Beach, Ca


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Volhynia Gubernia List #ukraine

Mona Panitz <mgpanitz@...>
 

Hello,
Could you kindly add CHARTORIYSK, to the Volhynia list?
Many thanks! Mona Panitz, Long Beach, Ca


Bogopol #ukraine

kolker?a@...
 

Hello !
Who was ground landlord of Bogopol(before Polish partition -Bratslav
region,Russian period-Balta district) in 18 century ?
Where I can found documents >from 18 century for Bogopol and neighbouring
shtetle's as
Krutie,Kodima e.t.c.?
Regards Kolker Alexander


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Bogopol #ukraine

kolker?a@...
 

Hello !
Who was ground landlord of Bogopol(before Polish partition -Bratslav
region,Russian period-Balta district) in 18 century ?
Where I can found documents >from 18 century for Bogopol and neighbouring
shtetle's as
Krutie,Kodima e.t.c.?
Regards Kolker Alexander


Source for obscure book published in Israel? #general

George Mandler <gmandler@...>
 

Can anybody help where one might find a (39 p.) book published in German
in Israel. This is a personal, not a collecting interest. Any
antiquarian dealers in Israel?
Title:
Komjati, F. (1972). Die Geschichte einer Gemeinde ... Tel-Aviv: Olamenu.

Thanks for any help.

George Mandler
gmandler@ucsd.edu

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Source for obscure book published in Israel? #general

George Mandler <gmandler@...>
 

Can anybody help where one might find a (39 p.) book published in German
in Israel. This is a personal, not a collecting interest. Any
antiquarian dealers in Israel?
Title:
Komjati, F. (1972). Die Geschichte einer Gemeinde ... Tel-Aviv: Olamenu.

Thanks for any help.

George Mandler
gmandler@ucsd.edu

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.


GOLDSCHMIED in Santiago, Chile #general

George Mandler <gmandler@...>
 

I am trying to locate descendants of relatives who moved to Chile
in the 1940s. Any help?

George Mandler
gmandler@ucsd.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GOLDSCHMIED in Santiago, Chile #general

George Mandler <gmandler@...>
 

I am trying to locate descendants of relatives who moved to Chile
in the 1940s. Any help?

George Mandler
gmandler@ucsd.edu


Odessa Mailing List #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

Another Rootsweb delight for those
researching family in Odessa:

UKR-ODESSA-GEN-L-request@rootsweb.com

To subscribe or unsubscribe >from a RootsWeb-hosted mailing list,
send e-mail with only the word SUBSCRIBE (or UNSUBSCRIBE) in the
subject and the body of the message to:
[name of list]-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail mode) or to
[name of list]-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode).

I prefer the "digest" mode-all coming at once.

*** Permission To Reprint *** articles >from " Rootsweb Review " is
granted unless specifically stated otherwise, _ Provided _: (1) the
reprint is used for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the
following notice appears at the end of the article:

Written by [author's name, e-mail address, and URL, if given].
Previously published by RootsWeb.com, Inc., RootsWeb Review:
RootsWeb's Genealogy News, Vol. 4, No. 15, 11 April 2001. RootsWeb:
http://www.rootsweb.com/

Miriam Margolyes
Santa Monica
e-mail: 75342.3217@compuserve.com

searching: Maxine ASHER (in her 50s, somewhere in NY or NJ-daughter
of Betty GOLDSMITH >from London)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Odessa Mailing List #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

Another Rootsweb delight for those
researching family in Odessa:

UKR-ODESSA-GEN-L-request@rootsweb.com

To subscribe or unsubscribe >from a RootsWeb-hosted mailing list,
send e-mail with only the word SUBSCRIBE (or UNSUBSCRIBE) in the
subject and the body of the message to:
[name of list]-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail mode) or to
[name of list]-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode).

I prefer the "digest" mode-all coming at once.

*** Permission To Reprint *** articles >from " Rootsweb Review " is
granted unless specifically stated otherwise, _ Provided _: (1) the
reprint is used for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the
following notice appears at the end of the article:

Written by [author's name, e-mail address, and URL, if given].
Previously published by RootsWeb.com, Inc., RootsWeb Review:
RootsWeb's Genealogy News, Vol. 4, No. 15, 11 April 2001. RootsWeb:
http://www.rootsweb.com/

Miriam Margolyes
Santa Monica
e-mail: 75342.3217@compuserve.com

searching: Maxine ASHER (in her 50s, somewhere in NY or NJ-daughter
of Betty GOLDSMITH >from London)


Ellis Island website info #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

Form Rootsweb:


Ellis Island Opening. On 17 April 2001, the American Family
Immigration History Center will open on Ellis Island. Family
historians everywhere are expected to log in to search the
newly created database of passenger arrival records of the 17
million people who immigrated through the port of New York
during the period 1892-1924.

To celebrate this historic opening, Ancestry.com will feature
articles and Web pages to help you locate your immigrant
ancestors. Look for articles to help you get the most >from
passenger arrival records, and take you beyond Ellis Island to
follow up with other resources. Here are a few to give you a
head start.

"Ellis Island Goes High Tech" by Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG
http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/syft/nettech/syftbs010307.htm

(>from "They Became Americans: Finding Naturalization Records And
Ethnic Origins", by Loretto D. Szucs)
http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/news/articles/1697.asp

"The Port of New York: Gateway to America"
by Juliana Smith (Family History Compass, 30 October 2000)
http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/columns/compass/2845.asp

For more information, see the Immigration History Center page at
http://www.ellisisland.org/history.html


*** Permission To Reprint *** articles >from " Rootsweb Review " is
granted unless specifically stated otherwise, _ Provided _: (1) the
reprint is used for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the
following notice appears at the end of the article:
Written by [author's name, e-mail address, and URL, if given].
Previously published by RootsWeb.com, Inc., RootsWeb
Review: RootsWeb's Genealogy News, Vol. 4, No. 15, 11 April
2001. RootsWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/

Miriam Margolyes
Santa Monica
e-mail: 75342.3217@compuserve.com

searching: MORRIS (South Africa) FRANKLIN (South Africa)
STUPEL ( Grodno, maybe VLINIUS)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ellis Island website info #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

Form Rootsweb:


Ellis Island Opening. On 17 April 2001, the American Family
Immigration History Center will open on Ellis Island. Family
historians everywhere are expected to log in to search the
newly created database of passenger arrival records of the 17
million people who immigrated through the port of New York
during the period 1892-1924.

To celebrate this historic opening, Ancestry.com will feature
articles and Web pages to help you locate your immigrant
ancestors. Look for articles to help you get the most >from
passenger arrival records, and take you beyond Ellis Island to
follow up with other resources. Here are a few to give you a
head start.

"Ellis Island Goes High Tech" by Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG
http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/syft/nettech/syftbs010307.htm

(>from "They Became Americans: Finding Naturalization Records And
Ethnic Origins", by Loretto D. Szucs)
http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/news/articles/1697.asp

"The Port of New York: Gateway to America"
by Juliana Smith (Family History Compass, 30 October 2000)
http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/columns/compass/2845.asp

For more information, see the Immigration History Center page at
http://www.ellisisland.org/history.html


*** Permission To Reprint *** articles >from " Rootsweb Review " is
granted unless specifically stated otherwise, _ Provided _: (1) the
reprint is used for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the
following notice appears at the end of the article:
Written by [author's name, e-mail address, and URL, if given].
Previously published by RootsWeb.com, Inc., RootsWeb
Review: RootsWeb's Genealogy News, Vol. 4, No. 15, 11 April
2001. RootsWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/

Miriam Margolyes
Santa Monica
e-mail: 75342.3217@compuserve.com

searching: MORRIS (South Africa) FRANKLIN (South Africa)
STUPEL ( Grodno, maybe VLINIUS)


Re: Ferdinand and Isabella #general

Harold Rabbie <hzrabbie@...>
 

"carolina henriquez" < carol_henriquez@hotmail.com > wrote :

I´m a Henriquez and my ancesters always talk about it. Fradique HENRIQUEZ
or ENRIQUES or HENRIQUES )is the same) was Ferdinand great grandfather
and he was Jewish.
Carolina Henriquez
There is a genealogy site for the Henriques family at
http://psyphz.psych.wisc.edu/~henriques/geneal.htm
It's owned by Jeff Henriques

It doesn't go as far back as Ferdinand and Isabella - the earliest reference
to a Henriques in that database is the record of the marriage between Ines
Henriquez and Emanuel Sanchez in 1613. But I'm sure that Jeff will know all
about the family legends.

Harold Zvi Rabbie
Los Gatos, California
http://members.home.net/hzrabbie


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ferdinand and Isabella #general

Harold Rabbie <hzrabbie@...>
 

"carolina henriquez" < carol_henriquez@hotmail.com > wrote :

I´m a Henriquez and my ancesters always talk about it. Fradique HENRIQUEZ
or ENRIQUES or HENRIQUES )is the same) was Ferdinand great grandfather
and he was Jewish.
Carolina Henriquez
There is a genealogy site for the Henriques family at
http://psyphz.psych.wisc.edu/~henriques/geneal.htm
It's owned by Jeff Henriques

It doesn't go as far back as Ferdinand and Isabella - the earliest reference
to a Henriques in that database is the record of the marriage between Ines
Henriquez and Emanuel Sanchez in 1613. But I'm sure that Jeff will know all
about the family legends.

Harold Zvi Rabbie
Los Gatos, California
http://members.home.net/hzrabbie