Firstly, thank you once again for all the good wishes on the occasion
of our marriage.

from our engagement announcement I wish to make a correction as

my wife's Hebrew name is Yehudit Shoshanna bat reb Levie and not
as I pre-supposed at that time.
Here is the excerpt >from the announcement message:
"Engagement - David Ziants - Judith Verhoef"
Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:25:49 +0200
<<<
With great joy I, David Ziants - David Yossef ben Mordechai, originally

from the UK, am pleased to have announced my engagement to Judith

Verhoef - Yehudit Shoshanna bat Yisrael, recently >from Holland.

Judith's mother is Jewish but her father is not and so
I wrote down "Yisrael" as a generic patronymic.

On discussing our names with the Rav (Rabbi) approaching the wedding
we were given the decision that my wife should be known as:
Yehudit Shoshanna bat reb Levie, where Levie was her maternal
grandfather, who perished in the holocaust. He felt that this was
better than other options, like the one I suggested above, or
"bat Avraham" which is used for converts.

I am submitting this to set the records correct.

By the way, in our community, the term "reb" (Yiddish for "Mr.")
is not usually used before the man's name, but the Rav said we
should use "reb" in this case in order not to make confusion with
someone who is "a daughter of the tribe of Levi" - the term
"bat Levi" is used in this context in the Tora.

More about our names can be found in a recent thread:
"The term kinnui" on Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:01:27 +0200 ,
where I mentioned about the use of our names David Jonathan
vis David Yossef and Judith Roos vis Yehudit Shoshanna.

These messages can be found in the Jewishgen archives by
searching >from the month of November 2000 the word: Ziants .

David and Judith Ziants
Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel

David Ziants searching:
ZENETSKI (became ZIANTS), ISHMA (became DAVIDSON) and FRIEDMAN
all >from Narewka near Bialystok.
Also: GEVELBAR (became GABLE, RAVELLE and GALE) >from Europe;
REINER and MICHAELS >from Holland.

MODERATOR NOTE: The archives can be searched at
http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~archpop

Does anyone have access to the Family Archive 1820-1850?
Also, Germans to America #355?

Thanks again,
Susan Stock
Agoura Hills, Ca

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

I recently received a translation of a death record which I had
originally gotten >from the Polish Archives. The translation, which was
done by a very competent translator, stated that the deceased was
survived by 4 sons, Icek 18, Zelig 16, Aysyk 15, and Boruch 3. Even
though they are spelled differently, Icek and Ayzyk, as far as I know,
are pronounced the same. Any explanations would be gratefuly received.
Cindy Gallard
Denver, CO

Yes.. people did go back and didn't return. My great grandfather
left the U.S. for his home town in the Ukraine about 1905. Family
lore is that: a. he said people here worked too hard; b. he said
people here were unkind to Jews (but he paid for 2-3 sons to come
here while he was in the U.S. and in total 4 sons came and stayed
here; also in the 1920s my widowed great grandmother came over);
or/and c. there was a family scandal in the U.S. and he left.
During the time he was in this country (about 1900 to 1905) most
of his family remained in the Ukraine. He must have made his
living as a tailor, and seemed to travel quite a bit while in the U.S.

Joel Weintraub
Dana Point, CA

My gr gr aunt Brina's husband went back to Poland sometime around 1900,
supposedly.

My gr gr uncle came to the US three times before he brought his family
over-because there was not enough "culture" here (Jewish culture).

So, no, it was not strange. We may think they were crazy to go back to
pogroms and such, but they had different ideas.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY

Firstly, thank you once again for all the good wishes on the occasion
of our marriage.

from our engagement announcement I wish to make a correction as

my wife's Hebrew name is Yehudit Shoshanna bat reb Levie and not
as I pre-supposed at that time.
Here is the excerpt >from the announcement message:
"Engagement - David Ziants - Judith Verhoef"
Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:25:49 +0200
<<<
With great joy I, David Ziants - David Yossef ben Mordechai, originally

from the UK, am pleased to have announced my engagement to Judith

Verhoef - Yehudit Shoshanna bat Yisrael, recently >from Holland.

Judith's mother is Jewish but her father is not and so
I wrote down "Yisrael" as a generic patronymic.

On discussing our names with the Rav (Rabbi) approaching the wedding
we were given the decision that my wife should be known as:
Yehudit Shoshanna bat reb Levie, where Levie was her maternal
grandfather, who perished in the holocaust. He felt that this was
better than other options, like the one I suggested above, or
"bat Avraham" which is used for converts.

I am submitting this to set the records correct.

By the way, in our community, the term "reb" (Yiddish for "Mr.")
is not usually used before the man's name, but the Rav said we
should use "reb" in this case in order not to make confusion with
someone who is "a daughter of the tribe of Levi" - the term
"bat Levi" is used in this context in the Tora.

More about our names can be found in a recent thread:
"The term kinnui" on Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:01:27 +0200 ,
where I mentioned about the use of our names David Jonathan
vis David Yossef and Judith Roos vis Yehudit Shoshanna.

These messages can be found in the Jewishgen archives by
searching >from the month of November 2000 the word: Ziants .

David and Judith Ziants
Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel

David Ziants searching:
ZENETSKI (became ZIANTS), ISHMA (became DAVIDSON) and FRIEDMAN
all >from Narewka near Bialystok.
Also: GEVELBAR (became GABLE, RAVELLE and GALE) >from Europe;
REINER and MICHAELS >from Holland.

MODERATOR NOTE: The archives can be searched at
http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~archpop

Does anyone have access to the Family Archive 1820-1850?
Also, Germans to America #355?

Thanks again,
Susan Stock
Agoura Hills, Ca

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

I recently received a translation of a death record which I had
originally gotten >from the Polish Archives. The translation, which was
done by a very competent translator, stated that the deceased was
survived by 4 sons, Icek 18, Zelig 16, Aysyk 15, and Boruch 3. Even
though they are spelled differently, Icek and Ayzyk, as far as I know,
are pronounced the same. Any explanations would be gratefuly received.
Cindy Gallard
Denver, CO

Yes.. people did go back and didn't return. My great grandfather
left the U.S. for his home town in the Ukraine about 1905. Family
lore is that: a. he said people here worked too hard; b. he said
people here were unkind to Jews (but he paid for 2-3 sons to come
here while he was in the U.S. and in total 4 sons came and stayed
here; also in the 1920s my widowed great grandmother came over);
or/and c. there was a family scandal in the U.S. and he left.
During the time he was in this country (about 1900 to 1905) most
of his family remained in the Ukraine. He must have made his
living as a tailor, and seemed to travel quite a bit while in the U.S.

Joel Weintraub
Dana Point, CA

My gr gr aunt Brina's husband went back to Poland sometime around 1900,
supposedly.

My gr gr uncle came to the US three times before he brought his family
over-because there was not enough "culture" here (Jewish culture).

So, no, it was not strange. We may think they were crazy to go back to
pogroms and such, but they had different ideas.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY

Israel Genealogical Society/ Jerusalem/ English speaking section.
Notice of March meeting.

Date: Tuesday, March 20
Time: Library is open >from 6:00 P.M. We will meet at
7:30 P.M. in the large hall for general announcements.
The English program will begin at 8:00 P.M. in the
downstairs library.
Place: Mevakshai Derech Synagogue.
22 Shai Agnon Blvd.
Jerusalem Bus #22

Topic: "A Personal Research Workshop" A chance to discuss
with other researchers what you already know, what
you still need, and where and how to get it.
Guidance >from the IGS library staff will be available.
This should be a valuable experience for everyone
>from newbies to experienced researchers as there will
be opportunities for interaction and networking.

Entrance fee for IGS members: Free
Entrance fee for guests: 15 NIS

For further information, please contact Barbara Siegel at
mailto:bsiegel@netvision.net.il

Israel Genealogical Society/ Jerusalem/ English speaking section.
Notice of March meeting.

Date: Tuesday, March 20
Time: Library is open >from 6:00 P.M. We will meet at
7:30 P.M. in the large hall for general announcements.
The English program will begin at 8:00 P.M. in the
downstairs library.
Place: Mevakshai Derech Synagogue.
22 Shai Agnon Blvd.
Jerusalem Bus #22

Topic: "A Personal Research Workshop" A chance to discuss
with other researchers what you already know, what
you still need, and where and how to get it.
Guidance >from the IGS library staff will be available.
This should be a valuable experience for everyone
>from newbies to experienced researchers as there will
be opportunities for interaction and networking.

Entrance fee for IGS members: Free
Entrance fee for guests: 15 NIS

For further information, please contact Barbara Siegel at
mailto:bsiegel@netvision.net.il

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Bergen County will be having its next
meeting on Sunday, April 1, 2001. Rhoda Miller of the Long Island
Jewish Genealogical Society will be speaking on "OrganizIt".

* * * * * *
Reducing your research clutter will help you get it all together so that
you be a more effective researcher, be better able to find things when
you want them, and give you a means for breaking through those brick
walls. Find out how to prepare for a research trip and especially for
London 2001.
* * * * * *

The main meeting starts at 2PM and is held at the JCC on the Palisades
in Tenafly. The JCC of the Palisades as located at 401 East Clinton
Avenue in Tenafly. Their phone number is 201-569-7900.

This month, there will *not* be a 12:30 schmooze session at Avotaynu.

If you need directions, go to our homepage at
http://www.crosswinds.net/~erosenbaum/jgsbc/

* * * * * *
January began our new membership year. Membership in the JGS of Bergen
County entitles you to 4 issues of our newsletter, "The Gatherers". In
addition, members can borrow selected books and tapes >from our 400 book
library. The final membership benefit is that our webmaster will search
the internet for up to 500 unique email addresses of people with a
surname that you are researching. For more information, please see our
website at
http://www.crosswinds.net/~erosenbaum/jgsbc/membership.htm.
Please start your membership by mailing a tax deductible check for $20
($25 for couples) to

JGS of Bergen County
c/o Edward Rosenbaum
135 Chestnut Ridge Road
Montvale, NJ 07645
* * * * * *


Sincerely,

Edward L. Rosenbaum
President
JGS of Bergen County, NJ

About the JGS of Bergen county

We are an organization of Jewish genealogists who are enjoying the
growing pastime of tracing our families' roots back to the Old Country
and collecting records of our family, some of them hundreds of years
old. The Jewish Genealogical Society of Bergen County is one of over 70
member organizations of the International Association of Jewish
Genealogical Societies.

The Family History Center in Emerson will be reopening on Tuesday, March
20 at 9:00am.

As of this moment, the scheduled hours will be Tuesdays, Wednesdays and
Thursdays >from 9:00 AM to 3:00 PM. Weekend and evening hours have not
yet been determined - - it's a matter of finding staff to work hours
beyond those weekday/daytime hours cited.

FYI, the address is: 840 Soldier Hill Road, Emerson. Phone:
201/262-7357.

I'll let you know as soon as additional hours are determined.

-Edward Rosenbaum
President, JGS of Bergen County, New Jersey
(http://www.crosswinds.net/~erosenbaum/jgsbc)
email: erosenbaum@yahoo.com

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Bergen County will be having its next
meeting on Sunday, April 1, 2001. Rhoda Miller of the Long Island
Jewish Genealogical Society will be speaking on "OrganizIt".

* * * * * *
Reducing your research clutter will help you get it all together so that
you be a more effective researcher, be better able to find things when
you want them, and give you a means for breaking through those brick
walls. Find out how to prepare for a research trip and especially for
London 2001.
* * * * * *

The main meeting starts at 2PM and is held at the JCC on the Palisades
in Tenafly. The JCC of the Palisades as located at 401 East Clinton
Avenue in Tenafly. Their phone number is 201-569-7900.

This month, there will *not* be a 12:30 schmooze session at Avotaynu.

If you need directions, go to our homepage at
http://www.crosswinds.net/~erosenbaum/jgsbc/

* * * * * *
January began our new membership year. Membership in the JGS of Bergen
County entitles you to 4 issues of our newsletter, "The Gatherers". In
addition, members can borrow selected books and tapes >from our 400 book
library. The final membership benefit is that our webmaster will search
the internet for up to 500 unique email addresses of people with a
surname that you are researching. For more information, please see our
website at
http://www.crosswinds.net/~erosenbaum/jgsbc/membership.htm.
Please start your membership by mailing a tax deductible check for $20
($25 for couples) to

JGS of Bergen County
c/o Edward Rosenbaum
135 Chestnut Ridge Road
Montvale, NJ 07645
* * * * * *


Sincerely,

Edward L. Rosenbaum
President
JGS of Bergen County, NJ

About the JGS of Bergen county

We are an organization of Jewish genealogists who are enjoying the
growing pastime of tracing our families' roots back to the Old Country
and collecting records of our family, some of them hundreds of years
old. The Jewish Genealogical Society of Bergen County is one of over 70
member organizations of the International Association of Jewish
Genealogical Societies.

The Family History Center in Emerson will be reopening on Tuesday, March
20 at 9:00am.

As of this moment, the scheduled hours will be Tuesdays, Wednesdays and
Thursdays >from 9:00 AM to 3:00 PM. Weekend and evening hours have not
yet been determined - - it's a matter of finding staff to work hours
beyond those weekday/daytime hours cited.

FYI, the address is: 840 Soldier Hill Road, Emerson. Phone:
201/262-7357.

I'll let you know as soon as additional hours are determined.

-Edward Rosenbaum
President, JGS of Bergen County, New Jersey
(http://www.crosswinds.net/~erosenbaum/jgsbc)
email: erosenbaum@yahoo.com

Dear Genners,
I just posted on the ViewMate site
(http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/vm473.html in the "To View" section -
as file - VM473 ) an image of the entry in a column <Occupation> in the
1910 Census.
On the first line, there is an entry, the first word of which, I cannot
decipher. It looks like this person worked in a <Millinery shop>, but the
profession is not understandable and I could not find it in a dictionary.
The word starts with a <P>, but the rest is a mystery. Any suggestions are
appreciated. Please, send all responses to me directly at ilyaz@iline.com

Ilya Zeldes
ilyaz@iline.com

I would like to find the address for Rabbi Edward Tennenbaum.He is in Los
Angeles. I have a Tulchin person who is looking for him. I met him in Los
Angeles several years ago. while he was visiting a patient.
Thank you for any help you can give.
Esthe Feinstein Sackheim
ZeraKodesh@aol.com

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Any one searching for Emil Storch of Vienna? a tailor with relations to
Tarnobrzeg? I bought a postcard connection those as a bill for
material..I have Storch's, Eder's and Schlissel's in my family.. Gayle
Riley of San Gabriel, Ca

I'm searching a surname "MEJIA" that could/would be
asssoicited with the JewishGen. Have found no clues or
evidence other than ???????