This is a resend of a response I sent to Jewishgen which did not get
published during its most recent move, although the inquirer, Don Saklad
did receive the copy I had included. Since then I have rewritten part of
it to supply additional information to the mail group.

In his message of 02-13-01 Don Saklad asked where on the Internet could
a map showing the location of the town of "Bzenc," which he asserted
was "the only correct spelling."

I found an entry for a town called "Bzenec" (or in German, "Bisentz") in
my 1962 Columbia-Lippincott Gazetteer. This source says that "Bzenec," a
village with a population of 3,930, is located in a fertile area in S.
Moravia, Czechoslovakia, 25 miles southwest of Gottwaldov. It was a rail
junction and was noted for its "colorful folkways" and wine. Coal mining
was done in its vicinity.

On my paper map of the Slovak Republic I saw no reference to "Bzenec"
but I did found a town called Bzenica, located northeast of Koenigsberg
("Nova Bana"). There is a webpage in printed in Slovakian devoted to
Bzenec's history at:

http://www.mestobzenec.cz/

The Simon Weisenthal center has a couple of pages on Benzec and its Jews
at:

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t012/t01294.html

A Benzec cemetery description can be found at the Cemetery Project
affiliated with Jewishgen.

At: http://www.khuner.com/history/in01.htm

there is an interview with the violinist Felix Khuner (1906-1991) who
talked briefly about the German Jewish population of "Bisence" which he
said was "now called Bzenec."

There were some other sites in Slovak for Bzenec, but since I really
couldn't read much of their texts I had to click them off. Still, I found
several others in English, having to do with a monument to the Jews of
Bzenec. One of the sites I clicked on, which apparently concerned the
saving of artifacts >from Bzenec at the Jewish Museum would not "respond."

(Typing in "Bzenc" in the "google" search engine drew up one commercial
site devoted to temptingly described varieties of garlic!)

I sent privately to Mr. Saklad a number of "click on" URL messages
and for a map location I suggested that he try Jewishgen's ShtetlSeeker
which offers a click-on feature allowing searchers to be transferred to a
map showing the location of the town of interest.

Mr. Saklad later wrote me to say that he had found "Bzenc" in an old
atlas, showing that it was southwest of Gottwaldow, and that in 1980 he
had traveled >from Vienna to Gottwaldow. He then asked me whether
Gottwaldow was the same as a town called "Zlin." After some rummaging in
my C-L Gazetteer, I found it was; "Zlin" was the name of Gottwaldow until
1948.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;SAS, Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol; BEHAM,
Salok, Kharkov.

I am looking for information on:

Moses Jacobs - Holland
+ Hanna - Holland

Jane b.abt 1797 (imigrated to USA ca 1846)
Sarah b. abt 1802 (imigrated to USA ca 1833)
+ Samuel Phillips b.abt. 1799

Mary b.20 dec 1831
Moss Samuel b.15 nov 1832
Louis
Sophia
Hannah

Any help is greatly appreciated.
Phyllis Dahl
pda@get2net.dk

Searching: PHILLIPS (UK,New York); COWAN (UK,USA); HYMAN (USA); JACOBS
(UK,USA); FELDMAN (UK); FISHEL (USA); FAUST (USA); MORRIS (USA); WEINBERG
(USA); GELDER (USA); STEINER (USA); KACHERAK (New Jersey); SWERN (New
Jersey)

I am searching my relations which lived in Ireland around 1880. Can you
tell me where a list and surname of Irish Jews can be found...thanks
Butch Kucan
butchkucan@webtv.net

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen has an Infofile pertaining to researching Irish
Jewish roots at <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/ie-info.txt>.

This is a resend of a response I sent to Jewishgen which did not get
published during its most recent move, although the inquirer, Don Saklad
did receive the copy I had included. Since then I have rewritten part of
it to supply additional information to the mail group.

In his message of 02-13-01 Don Saklad asked where on the Internet could
a map showing the location of the town of "Bzenc," which he asserted
was "the only correct spelling."

I found an entry for a town called "Bzenec" (or in German, "Bisentz") in
my 1962 Columbia-Lippincott Gazetteer. This source says that "Bzenec," a
village with a population of 3,930, is located in a fertile area in S.
Moravia, Czechoslovakia, 25 miles southwest of Gottwaldov. It was a rail
junction and was noted for its "colorful folkways" and wine. Coal mining
was done in its vicinity.

On my paper map of the Slovak Republic I saw no reference to "Bzenec"
but I did found a town called Bzenica, located northeast of Koenigsberg
("Nova Bana"). There is a webpage in printed in Slovakian devoted to
Bzenec's history at:

http://www.mestobzenec.cz/

The Simon Weisenthal center has a couple of pages on Benzec and its Jews
at:

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t012/t01294.html

A Benzec cemetery description can be found at the Cemetery Project
affiliated with Jewishgen.

At: http://www.khuner.com/history/in01.htm

there is an interview with the violinist Felix Khuner (1906-1991) who
talked briefly about the German Jewish population of "Bisence" which he
said was "now called Bzenec."

There were some other sites in Slovak for Bzenec, but since I really
couldn't read much of their texts I had to click them off. Still, I found
several others in English, having to do with a monument to the Jews of
Bzenec. One of the sites I clicked on, which apparently concerned the
saving of artifacts >from Bzenec at the Jewish Museum would not "respond."

(Typing in "Bzenc" in the "google" search engine drew up one commercial
site devoted to temptingly described varieties of garlic!)

I sent privately to Mr. Saklad a number of "click on" URL messages
and for a map location I suggested that he try Jewishgen's ShtetlSeeker
which offers a click-on feature allowing searchers to be transferred to a
map showing the location of the town of interest.

Mr. Saklad later wrote me to say that he had found "Bzenc" in an old
atlas, showing that it was southwest of Gottwaldow, and that in 1980 he
had traveled >from Vienna to Gottwaldow. He then asked me whether
Gottwaldow was the same as a town called "Zlin." After some rummaging in
my C-L Gazetteer, I found it was; "Zlin" was the name of Gottwaldow until
1948.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;SAS, Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol; BEHAM,
Salok, Kharkov.

I am looking for information on:

Moses Jacobs - Holland
+ Hanna - Holland

Jane b.abt 1797 (imigrated to USA ca 1846)
Sarah b. abt 1802 (imigrated to USA ca 1833)
+ Samuel Phillips b.abt. 1799

Mary b.20 dec 1831
Moss Samuel b.15 nov 1832
Louis
Sophia
Hannah

Any help is greatly appreciated.
Phyllis Dahl
pda@get2net.dk

Searching: PHILLIPS (UK,New York); COWAN (UK,USA); HYMAN (USA); JACOBS
(UK,USA); FELDMAN (UK); FISHEL (USA); FAUST (USA); MORRIS (USA); WEINBERG
(USA); GELDER (USA); STEINER (USA); KACHERAK (New Jersey); SWERN (New
Jersey)

I am searching my relations which lived in Ireland around 1880. Can you
tell me where a list and surname of Irish Jews can be found...thanks
Butch Kucan
butchkucan@webtv.net

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen has an Infofile pertaining to researching Irish
Jewish roots at <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/ie-info.txt>.

Hello, anyone find family >from Timikovichi(Belarus) with this last name?
J. Zeliansky lived at 40 Canal Street in 1904 when my great uncle Aron
Garfinkel, came to stay with them.. I can not find them in the 1905
state census in NY..also the family had a branch who lived in Sioux
City, Iowa, the Zell's..I think the spelling of this last name is the
problem..Help..
Gayle of San Gabriel, Ca

Amough the three genealogy software programs that I use I'm having some
difficulty with Family Tree Maker entering an adopted son by showing both
his birth parent and adopted parent. It's a situation where the mother
remarried and her husband legally adopted the son. The father if the boy
feels it is important that his son also know the true blood line.

Please reply to NormTillman@aol.com

Thank you,
Norman Tillman Albany, NY

Searching: TILLMAN, TYLMAN, DAVIDSON, DAVIDUVITCH, TRAKMAN, SHARFF or
SCHARF, ZYMAN ZIMAN in Poland, Lithuania and Latvia Regions

Hi,

Thank You to everyone who answered my question about the date of Yom
Kippur , 1943. For those of you who aren't aware, my reason for inquiry
is that there is survivor testimony >from Auschwitz that the 1,200
children taken >from the final liquidation of the Bialystok Ghetto in
August of 1943 to Theresenstadt, then sent to Auschwitz >from
Theresenstadt on October 5th 1943 were murdered in Auschwitz on Yom
Kippur. I just wanted to check and see if this if plausible which is
certainly is, and to get the yahrzeit.

I have a webpage devoted to these children, and the efforts that were
made to save them, which of course failed. The web address:

http://www.zabludow.com/Bialystokchildren1.html

Thanks Again,

Tilford Bartman

I am trying to find the name of my ggm's brother and know that he was a
founder of the Anglo Palestine Bank Ltd which was a precursor to Bank
Leumi. Does anyone know where I can obtain a list of the founders names?

Varda Epstein
yknow@netvision.net.il
researching; KOPELMAN, YANOVSKY ( Vasilishki ),SCHAFFER/SAKUTSKY,SCHWARTZ
( Vilna Guberniya ), RODAK, MOKSEL, ( Raczanes)ROSENTHAL,EPSTEIN,
(Tilsit ), MAYER/MEYERS, MENDELSOHN,PAUL,OSTROFSKY

As Norman H. Carp responded today (02-14-01) to David Henry's inquiry of
02-13-01, early marriages among Jews (and other peoples) were not uncommon
and many instances can be cited.

Only the day before yesterday, I found on the Internet an acoount about
the marriage of an eleven year old boy, Soloman MAIMON, whose first child
was born when he was thirteen. His life story is at:

http://www.inform.umd.edu/EdRes/Colleges/ARHU/Depts/History/Faculty/
BCooperman/Modern/maimon.html

This autobiography of the grandson of Heiman Joseph is interesting to read
not only for its early marriage stories (the author also mentions a 12
year old prospective bride of another fellow), but also because he offers
a detailed picture of the life of Jewish leaseholders, some information
about one of the Radziwill princes, the education of young boys, the
practice of arranged marriages, disputes among various interpreters of
Jewish law, and many more facets of European Jewish life, some of which
many people, even Jews, today would find shocking and unsavory.

Although two hundred years ago, some people lived a long life, most did
not. Not only did they suffer the effects of poor nourishment, they died
at relatively young ages >from tuberculosis and >from epidemic diseases
caused by poor sanitation. Not even the rich, or the nobles (not all of
whom were necessarily rich) were immune to such scourges. Moreover, we
mustn't forget that our modern ideas about a long carefree childhood and
youth are just that: modern.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;SAS, Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol; BEHAM,
Salok, Kharkov.

Hello, anyone find family >from Timikovichi(Belarus) with this last name?
J. Zeliansky lived at 40 Canal Street in 1904 when my great uncle Aron
Garfinkel, came to stay with them.. I can not find them in the 1905
state census in NY..also the family had a branch who lived in Sioux
City, Iowa, the Zell's..I think the spelling of this last name is the
problem..Help..
Gayle of San Gabriel, Ca

Amough the three genealogy software programs that I use I'm having some
difficulty with Family Tree Maker entering an adopted son by showing both
his birth parent and adopted parent. It's a situation where the mother
remarried and her husband legally adopted the son. The father if the boy
feels it is important that his son also know the true blood line.

Please reply to NormTillman@aol.com

Thank you,
Norman Tillman Albany, NY

Searching: TILLMAN, TYLMAN, DAVIDSON, DAVIDUVITCH, TRAKMAN, SHARFF or
SCHARF, ZYMAN ZIMAN in Poland, Lithuania and Latvia Regions

Hi,

Thank You to everyone who answered my question about the date of Yom
Kippur , 1943. For those of you who aren't aware, my reason for inquiry
is that there is survivor testimony >from Auschwitz that the 1,200
children taken >from the final liquidation of the Bialystok Ghetto in
August of 1943 to Theresenstadt, then sent to Auschwitz >from
Theresenstadt on October 5th 1943 were murdered in Auschwitz on Yom
Kippur. I just wanted to check and see if this if plausible which is
certainly is, and to get the yahrzeit.

I have a webpage devoted to these children, and the efforts that were
made to save them, which of course failed. The web address:

http://www.zabludow.com/Bialystokchildren1.html

Thanks Again,

Tilford Bartman

I am trying to find the name of my ggm's brother and know that he was a
founder of the Anglo Palestine Bank Ltd which was a precursor to Bank
Leumi. Does anyone know where I can obtain a list of the founders names?

Varda Epstein
yknow@netvision.net.il
researching; KOPELMAN, YANOVSKY ( Vasilishki ),SCHAFFER/SAKUTSKY,SCHWARTZ
( Vilna Guberniya ), RODAK, MOKSEL, ( Raczanes)ROSENTHAL,EPSTEIN,
(Tilsit ), MAYER/MEYERS, MENDELSOHN,PAUL,OSTROFSKY

As Norman H. Carp responded today (02-14-01) to David Henry's inquiry of
02-13-01, early marriages among Jews (and other peoples) were not uncommon
and many instances can be cited.

Only the day before yesterday, I found on the Internet an acoount about
the marriage of an eleven year old boy, Soloman MAIMON, whose first child
was born when he was thirteen. His life story is at:

http://www.inform.umd.edu/EdRes/Colleges/ARHU/Depts/History/Faculty/
BCooperman/Modern/maimon.html

This autobiography of the grandson of Heiman Joseph is interesting to read
not only for its early marriage stories (the author also mentions a 12
year old prospective bride of another fellow), but also because he offers
a detailed picture of the life of Jewish leaseholders, some information
about one of the Radziwill princes, the education of young boys, the
practice of arranged marriages, disputes among various interpreters of
Jewish law, and many more facets of European Jewish life, some of which
many people, even Jews, today would find shocking and unsavory.

Although two hundred years ago, some people lived a long life, most did
not. Not only did they suffer the effects of poor nourishment, they died
at relatively young ages >from tuberculosis and >from epidemic diseases
caused by poor sanitation. Not even the rich, or the nobles (not all of
whom were necessarily rich) were immune to such scourges. Moreover, we
mustn't forget that our modern ideas about a long carefree childhood and
youth are just that: modern.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;SAS, Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol; BEHAM,
Salok, Kharkov.

I recently found my mother's invitation list to my wedding back in 1963. On
the list was an Abe Drezner who lived in Brooklyn on Mina St. at one time.
I would think that that person is probably gone by now but maybe some one
related to him may see this request.

My name is Shmuel Fisher. My mother was Pauline Grossman and father Alfred
Fisher. We lived in Passaic New Jersey.

If this rings a bell, please respond privately.

Thanks,
Shmuel Fisher

ddworski@erols.com writes:
<< Is there any connection between the given names Michel and Meschulem? A
Galician relative known as Max in the U.S. is listed as "Michel" on his
tombstone. I confirmed this information with his son. For several years I
had unsuccessfully searched for him on ship manifests. No wonder. The
other day I finally found his manifest (yes, I'm certain he's the same
person), and he is listed as "Meschulem." I am trying to determine if the
names Michel and Meschulem are somehow linked / interchangeable--or might
the pronunciation of one name have been so corrupted that it sounded like
the other to a clerk recording the information? >>

There is no real connection between the two, except in your family and
perhaps others. It looks like Meshullem (Meshulam in Hebrew) was
simplified as Mischel (in some areas Yiddish for Michael), and
eventually "Anglicized" as Max.

I went a similar route. My Hebrew name is Me'ir; my parents in Germany
registered me as Manfred, a name so German that it made my life a misery
in wartime Britain. I asked people to call me Me'ir but it came out as
Mere, or Mare, so when I had reached the required age of 16 I walked into
my local Food-and-Identity Card office and formally chose a name that
started with an M and was both Hebrew and acceptable to the British. And
thus, by my own hand, I was legally Michael when I emerged on Grainger
Road.

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER

Is there any connection between the given names Michel and Meschulem?

No there isn't, but that doesn't preclude the possibility of a Meshullam's
going to a western country and taking a name like Michael.

Israel Pickholtz

I recently found my mother's invitation list to my wedding back in 1963. On
the list was an Abe Drezner who lived in Brooklyn on Mina St. at one time.
I would think that that person is probably gone by now but maybe some one
related to him may see this request.

My name is Shmuel Fisher. My mother was Pauline Grossman and father Alfred
Fisher. We lived in Passaic New Jersey.

If this rings a bell, please respond privately.

Thanks,
Shmuel Fisher