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Re: Vessel- Bulgarra- Bulgaria #general

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

Dear Judith,
According to www.cimorelli.com, which indexes ships traveling >from Europe
to the U.S., there indeed was a ship SS Bulgaria, with four trips to New
York in 1903: arriving Feb. 14, April 10, June 27, and July 20.

from your letter, it sounds like you've only searched for the passenger
list online. As tempting as it may be to limit yourself to armchair
research, you'll be missing a lot of opportunity if you do that.

You'll need to either send a request to the National Archives for the
passenger list, hoping they can find it, or review passenger list
microfilms yourself. I recommend reviewing the lists yourself - your
grandfather may be listed under his Hebrew or Yiddish name, or with a
surname variation a National Archives clerk might miss. You can order
the passenger list microfilms through your local Mormon Family History
Center. http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/PassLists

If you don't find your grandfather where you first look for him, you
might need to go back to the passenger list indexes. He might have
mis-remembered the specific date he arrived, but he or his parents
should be listed in the indexes, depending on his age at the time.

Good luck in your research - and put that computer keyboard aside <g>!

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia


"Michel" vs. "Meschulem" #general

Deborah Dworski <ddworski@...>
 

Is there any connection between the given names Michel and Meschulem? A
Galician relative known as Max in the U.S. is listed as "Michel" on his
tombstone. I confirmed this information with his son. For several years I
had unsuccessfully searched for him on ship manifests. No wonder. The
other day I finally found his manifest (yes, I'm certain he's the same
person), and he is listed as "Meschulem." I am trying to determine if the
names Michel and Meschulem are somehow linked / interchangeable--or might
the pronunciation of one name have been so corrupted that it sounded like
the other to a clerk recording the information?

Deborah Dworski
Arlington, Virginia U.S.A.

searching:
DIENER (Gorodenka, Ukr); KOFLER; SCHOR (Gorodenka. Ukr);
SONNENBLUM; STUPP SCHAUDER; SCHIEBER; SCHNEID; SOCKEL (Solotwina, Ukr)
DWORSKI; LEVATINSKY; MINSKY; SILVERSTEIN (Raczki, Pol)
BRAMA; BRAUN/BROWN(Rypin, Pol); GRZEBIEN became GESBEN; LOPATKA(Sierpc,Pol)


Re: Immigration records in the UK? #general

david fielker <david@...>
 

There are no immigration records for that period. The only possible way to
find a town of origin is if your ancestors were naturalised. This means
inquiring of the Public Record Office, Ruskin Avenue, Kew, TW9 4DU
tel: +208 876 3444 fax: +208 878 8905
Web site: <http://www.pro.gov.uk>

David Fielker
London UK

From: "Mimi Katz" <geveret@core.com>
I think I'm looking for a needle in a haystack, but has anyone found
immigration records in the UK, for the 1870's, that might help me locate
the names of the towns my ancestors arrived from?


Re: Towie, 1st name or last? #general

Simon Barak
 

judith reinsdorf wrote:
My  great uncle....Theodore...... On the cerificate of arrival it says
name of alien....Towie. Is Towie a first or last name? I never heard of
a 1st name of Towie...
It's Tuvie or Tuvia or Tevie (Tobias), like the milkman Tuvia in Fiddler
on the Roof

Dr Shimon Barak
Tel Aviv, Israel 

Researching the following surnames:
BARG, BARK, BARCK, BERG  (Anywhere but especially Ukraine & Argentina)
please visit our Homepage at www.geocities.com/bargfamily)
MAURER, NEUMANN (Drohobycz, Boryslaw and Lwow)
TAJMAN, TAKHMAN, TOKER, AXMAN (Chisinau, Argentina)
HOLZMANN (Przasnysz, Poland and Israel)
SILBERSTEIN (Warsaw and Tel Aviv)


Tuvia/Tewel #general

Diane Frankel <dlfrankel@...>
 

It has been my experience in doing my family's research that the
Americanized version of Tewel/Tuvia
is none other than David. Go figure.!

Diane Pressman Frankel
North Miami Beach, FL
dlfrankel@mindspring.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Vessel- Bulgarra- Bulgaria #general

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

Dear Judith,
According to www.cimorelli.com, which indexes ships traveling >from Europe
to the U.S., there indeed was a ship SS Bulgaria, with four trips to New
York in 1903: arriving Feb. 14, April 10, June 27, and July 20.

from your letter, it sounds like you've only searched for the passenger
list online. As tempting as it may be to limit yourself to armchair
research, you'll be missing a lot of opportunity if you do that.

You'll need to either send a request to the National Archives for the
passenger list, hoping they can find it, or review passenger list
microfilms yourself. I recommend reviewing the lists yourself - your
grandfather may be listed under his Hebrew or Yiddish name, or with a
surname variation a National Archives clerk might miss. You can order
the passenger list microfilms through your local Mormon Family History
Center. http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/PassLists

If you don't find your grandfather where you first look for him, you
might need to go back to the passenger list indexes. He might have
mis-remembered the specific date he arrived, but he or his parents
should be listed in the indexes, depending on his age at the time.

Good luck in your research - and put that computer keyboard aside <g>!

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Michel" vs. "Meschulem" #general

Deborah Dworski <ddworski@...>
 

Is there any connection between the given names Michel and Meschulem? A
Galician relative known as Max in the U.S. is listed as "Michel" on his
tombstone. I confirmed this information with his son. For several years I
had unsuccessfully searched for him on ship manifests. No wonder. The
other day I finally found his manifest (yes, I'm certain he's the same
person), and he is listed as "Meschulem." I am trying to determine if the
names Michel and Meschulem are somehow linked / interchangeable--or might
the pronunciation of one name have been so corrupted that it sounded like
the other to a clerk recording the information?

Deborah Dworski
Arlington, Virginia U.S.A.

searching:
DIENER (Gorodenka, Ukr); KOFLER; SCHOR (Gorodenka. Ukr);
SONNENBLUM; STUPP SCHAUDER; SCHIEBER; SCHNEID; SOCKEL (Solotwina, Ukr)
DWORSKI; LEVATINSKY; MINSKY; SILVERSTEIN (Raczki, Pol)
BRAMA; BRAUN/BROWN(Rypin, Pol); GRZEBIEN became GESBEN; LOPATKA(Sierpc,Pol)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Immigration records in the UK? #general

david fielker <david@...>
 

There are no immigration records for that period. The only possible way to
find a town of origin is if your ancestors were naturalised. This means
inquiring of the Public Record Office, Ruskin Avenue, Kew, TW9 4DU
tel: +208 876 3444 fax: +208 878 8905
Web site: <http://www.pro.gov.uk>

David Fielker
London UK

From: "Mimi Katz" <geveret@core.com>
I think I'm looking for a needle in a haystack, but has anyone found
immigration records in the UK, for the 1870's, that might help me locate
the names of the towns my ancestors arrived from?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Towie, 1st name or last? #general

Simon Barak
 

judith reinsdorf wrote:
My  great uncle....Theodore...... On the cerificate of arrival it says
name of alien....Towie. Is Towie a first or last name? I never heard of
a 1st name of Towie...
It's Tuvie or Tuvia or Tevie (Tobias), like the milkman Tuvia in Fiddler
on the Roof

Dr Shimon Barak
Tel Aviv, Israel 

Researching the following surnames:
BARG, BARK, BARCK, BERG  (Anywhere but especially Ukraine & Argentina)
please visit our Homepage at www.geocities.com/bargfamily)
MAURER, NEUMANN (Drohobycz, Boryslaw and Lwow)
TAJMAN, TAKHMAN, TOKER, AXMAN (Chisinau, Argentina)
HOLZMANN (Przasnysz, Poland and Israel)
SILBERSTEIN (Warsaw and Tel Aviv)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Tuvia/Tewel #general

Diane Frankel <dlfrankel@...>
 

It has been my experience in doing my family's research that the
Americanized version of Tewel/Tuvia
is none other than David. Go figure.!

Diane Pressman Frankel
North Miami Beach, FL
dlfrankel@mindspring.com


Bialystok Children/Nazi Negotiations #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hello,

I have revised and expanded my webpage devoted to the case of the 1,200
+ Bialystok children who were at the final liquidation of the Bialystok
Ghetto sent to Theresenstadt concentration camp where they were
maintained while the Nazis carried out negotiations for their "transfer"
to Palestine or Switzerland. When these negotiations failed to produce
an agreement all the children and their adult caretakers were sent to
Auschwitz where they were gassed. According to one witness they were
gassed on Yom Kippur 1943. What were the true intentions of the British
and Nazis in this matter? Why weren't these children saved? Learn all
about this incident on my website

Here is the web address:

http://www.zabludow.com/Bialystokchildren1.html

Tilford Bartman


Re: Lazisko (Poland) Birth-register #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Nelly,

Archives of Lazisko near Tomaszow Mazowiecki are located within the
Piotrkow Trybunalski depositories currently located in Lodz Archives.
You should ask Lodz Archives to search for the records of Tomaszow
Mazowiecki. Tomaszow Mazowiecki Archives include Birth, Marriage and Death
certificated for years 1830 to 1881, thus your gfather birth cerificate
should be amongst them.

To avoid long search time please indicate that you are searching for
Tomaszow Mazowiecki Birth certificates archived under Sygnatura (file)
No.17, and if you are looking for Tomaszow Mazowiecki marriage and death
records, please indicate sygnatura No. 270.

Above information was found in the great source book of Miriam Weiner
"Jewish Roots in Poalnd"

Did you check JRI-P (Jewish Record Indexing -Poland) located in JewishGen
site at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/jriplweb.htm

Over 900,000 names entered by JRI-P volunteers for the 19th century records
in Poland are included there. Search under Piotrkow Guberniya, using *only*
Daitch Mokotoff soundex system for the surname entry. I have checked data
for surname Uszerowicz (precise spelling), and many Uszerowicz are listed
there in Lodz, Tomaszow and Piotrkow. Fact that your gfather was born in
Lazisko is not indicative that he was not registered in either Tomaszow,
Piotrkow or Lodz.

Good luck

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta, Canada

"Nelly Marksitzer" <marksitzer@freesurf.ch> wrote:

My grandfather's birthplace was Lazisko near Tomaszow-Mazowiecki (Lodz).
He was born in 1863. I cant't find any birth certificate. Where is the
birth-register >from Lazisko? In an other town?


Naming question #general

A Tsar Is Born <enchante@...>
 

Among Ashkenazic Jews of Eastern Europe it was the custom, until fairly
recently, to name every child after a relative, but never a living
relation. When my ancestors came to this country (in the 1880s), they kept
this up until about World War I, then began to name children for living
relatives, then forgot even that, except for middle names.

In the first generations here, children's names were as American as
possible -- a lot of these "typical American" first names were in fact the
surnames of English and Scottish noble families, viz. Sidney, Morton,
Howard, Stanley, Bennett -- but the first letter would commemorate a dead
ancestor.

My question: How widespread was the custom of not naming a child for a
living relation? Was it general to Jews, or just East European Ashkenazim?
When did it arise? What was the sanction for it -- in the Bible or in
Talmud or somewhere else?

Curious.

John H. (for my grandfather Herman Martinson) Yohalem
jyohalem@herodotus.com

MODERATOR NOTE: There have been many previous discussions of
naming traditions. These have been archived in the JewishGen
Discussion Group Archives accessible at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~archpop>.
In addition, JewishGen has a number of Infofiles pertaining
to names at <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/#Names>.


Re: Vessel-Bulgarra-Bulgaria #general

Marcia Katzel DeVries <marciadv@...>
 

Judith,

Perhaps it was the Belgravia of the Hamburg-Amerika Line. My uncle came
from Hamburg to NY on the Belgravia in July, 1900. However, there was
also a vessel Bulgaria of the Hamburg-Amerika Line.
Look at http://www.cimorelli.com/safe/shipmenu.htm which is the web
page of CIMO, Cimorelli Immigration Manifests Online. Scroll down
to "Ships" 1890-1930 and click on one or two for various search methods.
I didn't see any ships starting with "B" arriving around May 15, 1903,
but for July 20, 1903 the Bulgaria and the Bluecher were listed, both
from Hamburg.
Hope this helps,

Marcia Katzel DeVries
Concord, CA

From: REINSDORFsearch@webtv.net (judith reinsdorf)
On my Grandfathers Declaration Of Intention...it states he arrived on
the vessel-Bulgarra....May 15, 1903....Then on The Petition of
Naturalization, it states he arrived on the vessel Bulgaria.. July 18,
1903.....This would be easily clarified and I could learn a lot more
from the passenger list.... if I could find these vessels......they dont
seem to exist.......I have tried many sites of Immigrant ships....


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bialystok Children/Nazi Negotiations #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hello,

I have revised and expanded my webpage devoted to the case of the 1,200
+ Bialystok children who were at the final liquidation of the Bialystok
Ghetto sent to Theresenstadt concentration camp where they were
maintained while the Nazis carried out negotiations for their "transfer"
to Palestine or Switzerland. When these negotiations failed to produce
an agreement all the children and their adult caretakers were sent to
Auschwitz where they were gassed. According to one witness they were
gassed on Yom Kippur 1943. What were the true intentions of the British
and Nazis in this matter? Why weren't these children saved? Learn all
about this incident on my website

Here is the web address:

http://www.zabludow.com/Bialystokchildren1.html

Tilford Bartman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Lazisko (Poland) Birth-register #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Nelly,

Archives of Lazisko near Tomaszow Mazowiecki are located within the
Piotrkow Trybunalski depositories currently located in Lodz Archives.
You should ask Lodz Archives to search for the records of Tomaszow
Mazowiecki. Tomaszow Mazowiecki Archives include Birth, Marriage and Death
certificated for years 1830 to 1881, thus your gfather birth cerificate
should be amongst them.

To avoid long search time please indicate that you are searching for
Tomaszow Mazowiecki Birth certificates archived under Sygnatura (file)
No.17, and if you are looking for Tomaszow Mazowiecki marriage and death
records, please indicate sygnatura No. 270.

Above information was found in the great source book of Miriam Weiner
"Jewish Roots in Poalnd"

Did you check JRI-P (Jewish Record Indexing -Poland) located in JewishGen
site at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/jriplweb.htm

Over 900,000 names entered by JRI-P volunteers for the 19th century records
in Poland are included there. Search under Piotrkow Guberniya, using *only*
Daitch Mokotoff soundex system for the surname entry. I have checked data
for surname Uszerowicz (precise spelling), and many Uszerowicz are listed
there in Lodz, Tomaszow and Piotrkow. Fact that your gfather was born in
Lazisko is not indicative that he was not registered in either Tomaszow,
Piotrkow or Lodz.

Good luck

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta, Canada

"Nelly Marksitzer" <marksitzer@freesurf.ch> wrote:

My grandfather's birthplace was Lazisko near Tomaszow-Mazowiecki (Lodz).
He was born in 1863. I cant't find any birth certificate. Where is the
birth-register >from Lazisko? In an other town?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Naming question #general

A Tsar Is Born <enchante@...>
 

Among Ashkenazic Jews of Eastern Europe it was the custom, until fairly
recently, to name every child after a relative, but never a living
relation. When my ancestors came to this country (in the 1880s), they kept
this up until about World War I, then began to name children for living
relatives, then forgot even that, except for middle names.

In the first generations here, children's names were as American as
possible -- a lot of these "typical American" first names were in fact the
surnames of English and Scottish noble families, viz. Sidney, Morton,
Howard, Stanley, Bennett -- but the first letter would commemorate a dead
ancestor.

My question: How widespread was the custom of not naming a child for a
living relation? Was it general to Jews, or just East European Ashkenazim?
When did it arise? What was the sanction for it -- in the Bible or in
Talmud or somewhere else?

Curious.

John H. (for my grandfather Herman Martinson) Yohalem
jyohalem@herodotus.com

MODERATOR NOTE: There have been many previous discussions of
naming traditions. These have been archived in the JewishGen
Discussion Group Archives accessible at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~archpop>.
In addition, JewishGen has a number of Infofiles pertaining
to names at <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/#Names>.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Vessel-Bulgarra-Bulgaria #general

Marcia Katzel DeVries <marciadv@...>
 

Judith,

Perhaps it was the Belgravia of the Hamburg-Amerika Line. My uncle came
from Hamburg to NY on the Belgravia in July, 1900. However, there was
also a vessel Bulgaria of the Hamburg-Amerika Line.
Look at http://www.cimorelli.com/safe/shipmenu.htm which is the web
page of CIMO, Cimorelli Immigration Manifests Online. Scroll down
to "Ships" 1890-1930 and click on one or two for various search methods.
I didn't see any ships starting with "B" arriving around May 15, 1903,
but for July 20, 1903 the Bulgaria and the Bluecher were listed, both
from Hamburg.
Hope this helps,

Marcia Katzel DeVries
Concord, CA

From: REINSDORFsearch@webtv.net (judith reinsdorf)
On my Grandfathers Declaration Of Intention...it states he arrived on
the vessel-Bulgarra....May 15, 1903....Then on The Petition of
Naturalization, it states he arrived on the vessel Bulgaria.. July 18,
1903.....This would be easily clarified and I could learn a lot more
from the passenger list.... if I could find these vessels......they dont
seem to exist.......I have tried many sites of Immigrant ships....


JGS Palm Springs February Meeting #general

JGSPS@...
 

Our February meeting will be on our regular date, the fourth Sunday of
the month, February 25th, at 2:00 p.m. in the board room of the Jewish
Federation, 255 North El Cielo, Suite 420, Palm Springs, and will feature
a video on "The Lost Synagogues of Eastern Europe."

New Members and guests are always welcome. For more information e-mail
Gay Lynne Kegan at glynne@aol.com

Gay Lynne Kegan
President, JGS Palm Springs


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Palm Springs February Meeting #general

JGSPS@...
 

Our February meeting will be on our regular date, the fourth Sunday of
the month, February 25th, at 2:00 p.m. in the board room of the Jewish
Federation, 255 North El Cielo, Suite 420, Palm Springs, and will feature
a video on "The Lost Synagogues of Eastern Europe."

New Members and guests are always welcome. For more information e-mail
Gay Lynne Kegan at glynne@aol.com

Gay Lynne Kegan
President, JGS Palm Springs