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Re: Are you doing indexing projects? #general

Bernie Hirsch <bernie06@...>
 

Hi Sallyann,

I have researched and recorded probably well over 50% of the families in
Schirrhoffen, Bas-Rhin, France >from the late 1700s to the late 1800s. My
sources
are the vital records >from the Mormon Library for Schirrhoffen, as well as
the 1784 Census for Bas-Rhin, France, the 1808 name change list for
Bas-Rhin, France, and the 1851 Census for Bas Rhin, France

They are accessible today on my website at:

http://home.sprynet.com/~bernie06/famtree

-or-

http://here.at/berniehirsch/famtree

==Bernie

Sallyann Sack wrote:



In our spring 20001 issue, AVOTAYNU will report on the many exciting
indexing projects underway in the world of Jewish genealogy.

We already have asked all of the Jewish genealogical societies and our
many SIGs to tell us what they are doing. We would like to hear from
individuals as well, those who are working on their own, not necessarily
as part of a JGS or SIG activity.

Please write to me at <SallyannSack@avotaynu.com> and tell us
1. The nature and scope of your project
2. Its current status (just starting, well underway, finished)
3. How/where the information may be accessed when you are done
--
Kind regards,
Bernie Hirsch


Re: U.S. Alien Registration Records #general

Deborah Dworski <ddworski@...>
 

Hi Allan,
I am not familiar with any Alien Registration Records >from the WWI era, but
I can tell you a bit about obtaining these documents for immigrants who had
not naturalized by the early 1940s (WWII time period). As far as I know,
the INS (Immigration & Naturalization Service) is the only source for these
documents, and they are very tough to obtain. My experience is that INS
will not search for an Alien Registration Record if you only request the
Naturalization file. You must specify that you want the contents of the
Alien Registration Record (if one exists) for the immigrant. For reasons
unknown to me, even if I ask for both the Naturalization file and Alien
Registration Record, the INS seems to ignore or overlook the Alien
Registration portion of my request. Inevitably, I have to follow up with a
reminder to go back and look for the immigrant's Alien Registration Record.

Deborah Dworski
Arlington, Virginia U.S.A.

searching:
DIENER (Gorodenka, Ukr); KOFLER; SCHOR (Gorodenka, Ukr); SONNENBLUM; STUPP
SCHAUDER; SCHIEBER; SCHNEID; SOCKEL (Solotwina, Ukr)
DWORSKI; LEVATINSKY; MINSKY; SILVERSTEIN (Raczki, Pol)
BRAMA; BRAUN / BROWN (Rypin, Pol); GRZEBIEN then GESBEN; LOPATKA (Sierpc,
Pol)

I am confused on the Alien Registration Cards. Can someone help me out?

I understand that people who were not naturalized filed these forms out
before WWI and again before WWII. How does someone go about searching
these forms? Is it only by reqyest to the INS?

Now here's the harder question, if you sent to the INS asking for a
naturalization form do they also search for the Alien Registration Cards?
I know that could be impossible to answer but may be some one can help me?

Thanks.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Are you doing indexing projects? #general

Bernie Hirsch <bernie06@...>
 

Hi Sallyann,

I have researched and recorded probably well over 50% of the families in
Schirrhoffen, Bas-Rhin, France >from the late 1700s to the late 1800s. My
sources
are the vital records >from the Mormon Library for Schirrhoffen, as well as
the 1784 Census for Bas-Rhin, France, the 1808 name change list for
Bas-Rhin, France, and the 1851 Census for Bas Rhin, France

They are accessible today on my website at:

http://home.sprynet.com/~bernie06/famtree

-or-

http://here.at/berniehirsch/famtree

==Bernie

Sallyann Sack wrote:



In our spring 20001 issue, AVOTAYNU will report on the many exciting
indexing projects underway in the world of Jewish genealogy.

We already have asked all of the Jewish genealogical societies and our
many SIGs to tell us what they are doing. We would like to hear from
individuals as well, those who are working on their own, not necessarily
as part of a JGS or SIG activity.

Please write to me at <SallyannSack@avotaynu.com> and tell us
1. The nature and scope of your project
2. Its current status (just starting, well underway, finished)
3. How/where the information may be accessed when you are done
--
Kind regards,
Bernie Hirsch


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: U.S. Alien Registration Records #general

Deborah Dworski <ddworski@...>
 

Hi Allan,
I am not familiar with any Alien Registration Records >from the WWI era, but
I can tell you a bit about obtaining these documents for immigrants who had
not naturalized by the early 1940s (WWII time period). As far as I know,
the INS (Immigration & Naturalization Service) is the only source for these
documents, and they are very tough to obtain. My experience is that INS
will not search for an Alien Registration Record if you only request the
Naturalization file. You must specify that you want the contents of the
Alien Registration Record (if one exists) for the immigrant. For reasons
unknown to me, even if I ask for both the Naturalization file and Alien
Registration Record, the INS seems to ignore or overlook the Alien
Registration portion of my request. Inevitably, I have to follow up with a
reminder to go back and look for the immigrant's Alien Registration Record.

Deborah Dworski
Arlington, Virginia U.S.A.

searching:
DIENER (Gorodenka, Ukr); KOFLER; SCHOR (Gorodenka, Ukr); SONNENBLUM; STUPP
SCHAUDER; SCHIEBER; SCHNEID; SOCKEL (Solotwina, Ukr)
DWORSKI; LEVATINSKY; MINSKY; SILVERSTEIN (Raczki, Pol)
BRAMA; BRAUN / BROWN (Rypin, Pol); GRZEBIEN then GESBEN; LOPATKA (Sierpc,
Pol)

I am confused on the Alien Registration Cards. Can someone help me out?

I understand that people who were not naturalized filed these forms out
before WWI and again before WWII. How does someone go about searching
these forms? Is it only by reqyest to the INS?

Now here's the harder question, if you sent to the INS asking for a
naturalization form do they also search for the Alien Registration Cards?
I know that could be impossible to answer but may be some one can help me?

Thanks.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com


Re: Prussian Town - Where is it? #general

klein.francoise <klein.francoise@...>
 

Dear Gary,

The first two options are unlikely, as Preussen (Prussia) is in the north of
Germany. Stuttgart is in Bavaria (South) and Hessen in the middle of the
country. Ost Preussen was returned to Poland and the USSR in 1945. Maybe
Encarta Europe would provide more options.
Best regards

Françoise Klein
Paris France

Gary Luke <feraltek@zeta.org.au> a écrit dans le message :
3.0.1.32.20010201001357.0073c578@mail.zeta.org.au...


Would anyone know where Schoking or Schothing in Prussia is? The two
spellings are because it was difficult to decipher the scribbled
handwriting. Any suggestions on what it may have been? The reference
dates >from about the 1830s.

Possibilities -
(1) Scho"ckingen, a tiny town just NW of Stuttgart.
(2) Schotten in Hessen.
(3) Schokken - town listed in an Avotaynu article.

Any comments about whether these were in Prussia?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Prussian Town - Where is it? #general

klein.francoise <klein.francoise@...>
 

Dear Gary,

The first two options are unlikely, as Preussen (Prussia) is in the north of
Germany. Stuttgart is in Bavaria (South) and Hessen in the middle of the
country. Ost Preussen was returned to Poland and the USSR in 1945. Maybe
Encarta Europe would provide more options.
Best regards

Françoise Klein
Paris France

Gary Luke <feraltek@zeta.org.au> a écrit dans le message :
3.0.1.32.20010201001357.0073c578@mail.zeta.org.au...


Would anyone know where Schoking or Schothing in Prussia is? The two
spellings are because it was difficult to decipher the scribbled
handwriting. Any suggestions on what it may have been? The reference
dates >from about the 1830s.

Possibilities -
(1) Scho"ckingen, a tiny town just NW of Stuttgart.
(2) Schotten in Hessen.
(3) Schokken - town listed in an Avotaynu article.

Any comments about whether these were in Prussia?


Re: Certainty of fatherhood #general

Jacob D. Goldstein <jake@...>
 

At 12:47 AM 1/31/01 Wachtel@aol.com wrote:
The mistaken paternity rate
would be less than 1 percent per generation.
Failure to carry the Cohen gene marker does not not necessarily translate
into a question of paternity. It is possible that along the line someone
started calling himself a "kohen" for social reasons or out of
ignorance. In a synagogue, newcomers are generally asked the
question "Are you a kohen or a levi?" because special honors are reserved
for members of these tribes. Some people assume these are the only two
alternatives for a Jew and they pick one. Confusion persists even after
you explain that these are not the ony two choices, I've had individuals
answer the question with a resounding "yes." When you inquire further,
the "kohen" thinks that his last name "Cohen" makes him a member of the
kohen tribe and the "Levi" responds "yes," because he thinks his Hebrew
name Levi/Lev/Leib makes him as a "Levi."

So... it's probably less than "less than 1%" :-)

Jake


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Certainty of fatherhood #general

Jacob D. Goldstein <jake@...>
 

At 12:47 AM 1/31/01 Wachtel@aol.com wrote:
The mistaken paternity rate
would be less than 1 percent per generation.
Failure to carry the Cohen gene marker does not not necessarily translate
into a question of paternity. It is possible that along the line someone
started calling himself a "kohen" for social reasons or out of
ignorance. In a synagogue, newcomers are generally asked the
question "Are you a kohen or a levi?" because special honors are reserved
for members of these tribes. Some people assume these are the only two
alternatives for a Jew and they pick one. Confusion persists even after
you explain that these are not the ony two choices, I've had individuals
answer the question with a resounding "yes." When you inquire further,
the "kohen" thinks that his last name "Cohen" makes him a member of the
kohen tribe and the "Levi" responds "yes," because he thinks his Hebrew
name Levi/Lev/Leib makes him as a "Levi."

So... it's probably less than "less than 1%" :-)

Jake


Re: The town of "Shalat" Austria #general

klein.francoise <klein.francoise@...>
 

Hi >from Paris

The Austrian-Hungarian was huge at the time and Budapest is only 180 miles
from Wien. His hometown was (maybe) in current Hungary. If you happen to
read Alfred Schnitzler's ors Stefan Zweig's novel (especially memories of an
European), you mighr learn a lot about these troubled time beforeWW1.
However, if he ran a farm/ranch, he wa unlikely to live in a shtetl.
Best regards

Françoise Klein

Pamela Weisberger <thewks@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message :
F11i95HfqR77bieLYCT00000e84@hotmail.com...


Dear Genners:

I just received the 1919 NYC marriage certificate of my grandparents in
which my grandfather, Samuel Greenhaut, lists his town/country of birth
as:
"Shalat, Austria."

On the shtetlfiner there is only one similar listing--that of "Shlatt,
Austria" and many other towns with similar Soundex matches for many other
countries. Yet, since he always identified himself as Austrian, and, as
family lore has it, he spent some time in Vienna, living with relatives
and
working as a lamplighter, before emigrating to the states as a teenager in
the early 1900s, it would seem that his town, indeed, was in Austria.
Although the marriage certificate was filled in by him (in his own
handwriting), it is possible he misspelled the town's name. Does anyone
have any information on this town (either spelling) and it's Jewish
history?
The only story we have is that his family owned a "ranch" which was
burned to the ground by (I assume) unfriendly forces of the time.

Many thanks!


Re: Derschlag -- Rhineland #general

David Ehrens <david_ehrens@...>
 

From: <RWS25@aol.com>
...
We cannot find Derschlag on any map of Germany.
Does anyone know the current name for this town?
http://gov.genealogy.net/ort.jsp?id=31855

It still appears to be called Derschlag. Go to http://www.mapquest.com
and check its location; it appears to be a bit south of Gummersbach.

Regards,
David Ehrens


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The town of "Shalat" Austria #general

klein.francoise <klein.francoise@...>
 

Hi >from Paris

The Austrian-Hungarian was huge at the time and Budapest is only 180 miles
from Wien. His hometown was (maybe) in current Hungary. If you happen to
read Alfred Schnitzler's ors Stefan Zweig's novel (especially memories of an
European), you mighr learn a lot about these troubled time beforeWW1.
However, if he ran a farm/ranch, he wa unlikely to live in a shtetl.
Best regards

Françoise Klein

Pamela Weisberger <thewks@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message :
F11i95HfqR77bieLYCT00000e84@hotmail.com...


Dear Genners:

I just received the 1919 NYC marriage certificate of my grandparents in
which my grandfather, Samuel Greenhaut, lists his town/country of birth
as:
"Shalat, Austria."

On the shtetlfiner there is only one similar listing--that of "Shlatt,
Austria" and many other towns with similar Soundex matches for many other
countries. Yet, since he always identified himself as Austrian, and, as
family lore has it, he spent some time in Vienna, living with relatives
and
working as a lamplighter, before emigrating to the states as a teenager in
the early 1900s, it would seem that his town, indeed, was in Austria.
Although the marriage certificate was filled in by him (in his own
handwriting), it is possible he misspelled the town's name. Does anyone
have any information on this town (either spelling) and it's Jewish
history?
The only story we have is that his family owned a "ranch" which was
burned to the ground by (I assume) unfriendly forces of the time.

Many thanks!


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Derschlag -- Rhineland #general

David Ehrens <david_ehrens@...>
 

From: <RWS25@aol.com>
...
We cannot find Derschlag on any map of Germany.
Does anyone know the current name for this town?
http://gov.genealogy.net/ort.jsp?id=31855

It still appears to be called Derschlag. Go to http://www.mapquest.com
and check its location; it appears to be a bit south of Gummersbach.

Regards,
David Ehrens


Help in Sheepshead Bay #lithuania

sman@...
 

I am looking for help with something in Sheepshead Bay, NY

In trying to trace a relative, I need help identifying the street
where they lived in Sheepshead Bay, NY. Of course a phonebook from
the 70's or 80's would help but I don't have access to that.

The address was about five streets away >from the Belt Parkway. Coming >from the Verazzano Bridge on the Belt, it was the first
exit after the bay and ship docks you see on your right just as you go
through Sheepshead Bay. There were loads of little stores along the streets leading to and including the one where their apartment building was; almost all of the signs (store and restaurant) were in Russian.

Anyone know what street it may be?

Please reply privately,
Scott Noar
sman@uscom.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Although we're not quite sure which Lithuanian uezd Brooklyn is in, we'll include this query in tonight's Digest. Such general questions, however, are best posted to the JewishGen Discussion Group


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Help in Sheepshead Bay #lithuania

sman@...
 

I am looking for help with something in Sheepshead Bay, NY

In trying to trace a relative, I need help identifying the street
where they lived in Sheepshead Bay, NY. Of course a phonebook from
the 70's or 80's would help but I don't have access to that.

The address was about five streets away >from the Belt Parkway. Coming >from the Verazzano Bridge on the Belt, it was the first
exit after the bay and ship docks you see on your right just as you go
through Sheepshead Bay. There were loads of little stores along the streets leading to and including the one where their apartment building was; almost all of the signs (store and restaurant) were in Russian.

Anyone know what street it may be?

Please reply privately,
Scott Noar
sman@uscom.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Although we're not quite sure which Lithuanian uezd Brooklyn is in, we'll include this query in tonight's Digest. Such general questions, however, are best posted to the JewishGen Discussion Group


Simnas, Dambava, Bitten and SULKOWITCH #lithuania

spirit-images <spirit-images@...>
 

I have just joined. So far I have found 3 out of 4 surnames that I am
searching for and the 3 all are in Lithuania. Berman is in Simnas,
Lasdaisky in Dambava (Dembova Duba) and possibly Lasdaija, and Shershevsky
in Bitten or what I think is Bittehnen. I am interested in finding
information on all these places. I have found locations on maps, and the
most information is on Simnos.

I have yet to find information on Sulkowitch. The family thinks Lithuania is the place, but I wonder if it is Poland...or perhaps another place...I am not sure the direction to go at this point. Does anyone know through their own research any sources of information on these places, or any ideas on the surname Sulkowitch?

Ava Sweeney
Durham, NC

Researching
BERMAN - SIMNAS
LASDAISKY- DAMBAVA
SHERSHEVSKY-BITTEHNEN
SULKOWITCH-?


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Simnas, Dambava, Bitten and SULKOWITCH #lithuania

spirit-images <spirit-images@...>
 

I have just joined. So far I have found 3 out of 4 surnames that I am
searching for and the 3 all are in Lithuania. Berman is in Simnas,
Lasdaisky in Dambava (Dembova Duba) and possibly Lasdaija, and Shershevsky
in Bitten or what I think is Bittehnen. I am interested in finding
information on all these places. I have found locations on maps, and the
most information is on Simnos.

I have yet to find information on Sulkowitch. The family thinks Lithuania is the place, but I wonder if it is Poland...or perhaps another place...I am not sure the direction to go at this point. Does anyone know through their own research any sources of information on these places, or any ideas on the surname Sulkowitch?

Ava Sweeney
Durham, NC

Researching
BERMAN - SIMNAS
LASDAISKY- DAMBAVA
SHERSHEVSKY-BITTEHNEN
SULKOWITCH-?


Temple Emanu-el, New York City #usa

Buffysmomplus3@...
 

Hi. My mother's maternal and paternal grandparents, the HARRIS and
SILVERSTEIN families of New York City, were both in the United States at least as early
as the 1870's. I have found my ggreat aunt Annie SILVERSTEIN's confirmation
book >from Temple Emanu-El, ca, 1880's. I spoke with the temple to find out if
they kept archives. I was told that they did but their books were to old to
open! Does anyone know who else may have Temple Emanu-El archives? I'm
wondering if anyone knows what percent of the Temple's congregation was still
German in the 1870-80's.
Thanks,
Marcy Portney

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Early American SIG #USA Temple Emanu-el, New York City #usa

Buffysmomplus3@...
 

Hi. My mother's maternal and paternal grandparents, the HARRIS and
SILVERSTEIN families of New York City, were both in the United States at least as early
as the 1870's. I have found my ggreat aunt Annie SILVERSTEIN's confirmation
book >from Temple Emanu-El, ca, 1880's. I spoke with the temple to find out if
they kept archives. I was told that they did but their books were to old to
open! Does anyone know who else may have Temple Emanu-El archives? I'm
wondering if anyone knows what percent of the Temple's congregation was still
German in the 1870-80's.
Thanks,
Marcy Portney

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Boer War URL #southafrica

shaul <shaul@...>
 

www.vms.org.uk/abwmp is a superb Boer war resource site. It mentions a
number of Jews such as Jackals Segall, Judelowitz and Sarah Glueck ( heroine
of Lady Grey).

Saul

Dr Saul Issroff
London2001 - 21st International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
8-13 July 2001 www.jewishgen.org/london2001
info.london2001@talk21.com


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Boer War URL #southafrica

shaul <shaul@...>
 

www.vms.org.uk/abwmp is a superb Boer war resource site. It mentions a
number of Jews such as Jackals Segall, Judelowitz and Sarah Glueck ( heroine
of Lady Grey).

Saul

Dr Saul Issroff
London2001 - 21st International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
8-13 July 2001 www.jewishgen.org/london2001
info.london2001@talk21.com