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Bialystok Children/Nazi Negotiations #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hello,

I have revised and expanded my webpage devoted to the case of the 1,200
+ Bialystok children who were at the final liquidation of the Bialystok
Ghetto sent to Theresenstadt concentration camp where they were
maintained while the Nazis carried out negotiations for their "transfer"
to Palestine or Switzerland. When these negotiations failed to produce
an agreement all the children and their adult caretakers were sent to
Auschwitz where they were gassed. According to one witness they were
gassed on Yom Kippur 1943. What were the true intentions of the British
and Nazis in this matter? Why weren't these children saved? Learn all
about this incident on my website

Here is the web address:

http://www.zabludow.com/Bialystokchildren1.html

Tilford Bartman


Re: Lazisko (Poland) Birth-register #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Nelly,

Archives of Lazisko near Tomaszow Mazowiecki are located within the
Piotrkow Trybunalski depositories currently located in Lodz Archives.
You should ask Lodz Archives to search for the records of Tomaszow
Mazowiecki. Tomaszow Mazowiecki Archives include Birth, Marriage and Death
certificated for years 1830 to 1881, thus your gfather birth cerificate
should be amongst them.

To avoid long search time please indicate that you are searching for
Tomaszow Mazowiecki Birth certificates archived under Sygnatura (file)
No.17, and if you are looking for Tomaszow Mazowiecki marriage and death
records, please indicate sygnatura No. 270.

Above information was found in the great source book of Miriam Weiner
"Jewish Roots in Poalnd"

Did you check JRI-P (Jewish Record Indexing -Poland) located in JewishGen
site at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/jriplweb.htm

Over 900,000 names entered by JRI-P volunteers for the 19th century records
in Poland are included there. Search under Piotrkow Guberniya, using *only*
Daitch Mokotoff soundex system for the surname entry. I have checked data
for surname Uszerowicz (precise spelling), and many Uszerowicz are listed
there in Lodz, Tomaszow and Piotrkow. Fact that your gfather was born in
Lazisko is not indicative that he was not registered in either Tomaszow,
Piotrkow or Lodz.

Good luck

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta, Canada

"Nelly Marksitzer" <marksitzer@freesurf.ch> wrote:

My grandfather's birthplace was Lazisko near Tomaszow-Mazowiecki (Lodz).
He was born in 1863. I cant't find any birth certificate. Where is the
birth-register >from Lazisko? In an other town?


Naming question #general

A Tsar Is Born <enchante@...>
 

Among Ashkenazic Jews of Eastern Europe it was the custom, until fairly
recently, to name every child after a relative, but never a living
relation. When my ancestors came to this country (in the 1880s), they kept
this up until about World War I, then began to name children for living
relatives, then forgot even that, except for middle names.

In the first generations here, children's names were as American as
possible -- a lot of these "typical American" first names were in fact the
surnames of English and Scottish noble families, viz. Sidney, Morton,
Howard, Stanley, Bennett -- but the first letter would commemorate a dead
ancestor.

My question: How widespread was the custom of not naming a child for a
living relation? Was it general to Jews, or just East European Ashkenazim?
When did it arise? What was the sanction for it -- in the Bible or in
Talmud or somewhere else?

Curious.

John H. (for my grandfather Herman Martinson) Yohalem
jyohalem@herodotus.com

MODERATOR NOTE: There have been many previous discussions of
naming traditions. These have been archived in the JewishGen
Discussion Group Archives accessible at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~archpop>.
In addition, JewishGen has a number of Infofiles pertaining
to names at <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/#Names>.


Re: Vessel-Bulgarra-Bulgaria #general

Marcia Katzel DeVries <marciadv@...>
 

Judith,

Perhaps it was the Belgravia of the Hamburg-Amerika Line. My uncle came
from Hamburg to NY on the Belgravia in July, 1900. However, there was
also a vessel Bulgaria of the Hamburg-Amerika Line.
Look at http://www.cimorelli.com/safe/shipmenu.htm which is the web
page of CIMO, Cimorelli Immigration Manifests Online. Scroll down
to "Ships" 1890-1930 and click on one or two for various search methods.
I didn't see any ships starting with "B" arriving around May 15, 1903,
but for July 20, 1903 the Bulgaria and the Bluecher were listed, both
from Hamburg.
Hope this helps,

Marcia Katzel DeVries
Concord, CA

From: REINSDORFsearch@webtv.net (judith reinsdorf)
On my Grandfathers Declaration Of Intention...it states he arrived on
the vessel-Bulgarra....May 15, 1903....Then on The Petition of
Naturalization, it states he arrived on the vessel Bulgaria.. July 18,
1903.....This would be easily clarified and I could learn a lot more
from the passenger list.... if I could find these vessels......they dont
seem to exist.......I have tried many sites of Immigrant ships....


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bialystok Children/Nazi Negotiations #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hello,

I have revised and expanded my webpage devoted to the case of the 1,200
+ Bialystok children who were at the final liquidation of the Bialystok
Ghetto sent to Theresenstadt concentration camp where they were
maintained while the Nazis carried out negotiations for their "transfer"
to Palestine or Switzerland. When these negotiations failed to produce
an agreement all the children and their adult caretakers were sent to
Auschwitz where they were gassed. According to one witness they were
gassed on Yom Kippur 1943. What were the true intentions of the British
and Nazis in this matter? Why weren't these children saved? Learn all
about this incident on my website

Here is the web address:

http://www.zabludow.com/Bialystokchildren1.html

Tilford Bartman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Lazisko (Poland) Birth-register #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Nelly,

Archives of Lazisko near Tomaszow Mazowiecki are located within the
Piotrkow Trybunalski depositories currently located in Lodz Archives.
You should ask Lodz Archives to search for the records of Tomaszow
Mazowiecki. Tomaszow Mazowiecki Archives include Birth, Marriage and Death
certificated for years 1830 to 1881, thus your gfather birth cerificate
should be amongst them.

To avoid long search time please indicate that you are searching for
Tomaszow Mazowiecki Birth certificates archived under Sygnatura (file)
No.17, and if you are looking for Tomaszow Mazowiecki marriage and death
records, please indicate sygnatura No. 270.

Above information was found in the great source book of Miriam Weiner
"Jewish Roots in Poalnd"

Did you check JRI-P (Jewish Record Indexing -Poland) located in JewishGen
site at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/jriplweb.htm

Over 900,000 names entered by JRI-P volunteers for the 19th century records
in Poland are included there. Search under Piotrkow Guberniya, using *only*
Daitch Mokotoff soundex system for the surname entry. I have checked data
for surname Uszerowicz (precise spelling), and many Uszerowicz are listed
there in Lodz, Tomaszow and Piotrkow. Fact that your gfather was born in
Lazisko is not indicative that he was not registered in either Tomaszow,
Piotrkow or Lodz.

Good luck

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta, Canada

"Nelly Marksitzer" <marksitzer@freesurf.ch> wrote:

My grandfather's birthplace was Lazisko near Tomaszow-Mazowiecki (Lodz).
He was born in 1863. I cant't find any birth certificate. Where is the
birth-register >from Lazisko? In an other town?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Naming question #general

A Tsar Is Born <enchante@...>
 

Among Ashkenazic Jews of Eastern Europe it was the custom, until fairly
recently, to name every child after a relative, but never a living
relation. When my ancestors came to this country (in the 1880s), they kept
this up until about World War I, then began to name children for living
relatives, then forgot even that, except for middle names.

In the first generations here, children's names were as American as
possible -- a lot of these "typical American" first names were in fact the
surnames of English and Scottish noble families, viz. Sidney, Morton,
Howard, Stanley, Bennett -- but the first letter would commemorate a dead
ancestor.

My question: How widespread was the custom of not naming a child for a
living relation? Was it general to Jews, or just East European Ashkenazim?
When did it arise? What was the sanction for it -- in the Bible or in
Talmud or somewhere else?

Curious.

John H. (for my grandfather Herman Martinson) Yohalem
jyohalem@herodotus.com

MODERATOR NOTE: There have been many previous discussions of
naming traditions. These have been archived in the JewishGen
Discussion Group Archives accessible at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~archpop>.
In addition, JewishGen has a number of Infofiles pertaining
to names at <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/#Names>.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Vessel-Bulgarra-Bulgaria #general

Marcia Katzel DeVries <marciadv@...>
 

Judith,

Perhaps it was the Belgravia of the Hamburg-Amerika Line. My uncle came
from Hamburg to NY on the Belgravia in July, 1900. However, there was
also a vessel Bulgaria of the Hamburg-Amerika Line.
Look at http://www.cimorelli.com/safe/shipmenu.htm which is the web
page of CIMO, Cimorelli Immigration Manifests Online. Scroll down
to "Ships" 1890-1930 and click on one or two for various search methods.
I didn't see any ships starting with "B" arriving around May 15, 1903,
but for July 20, 1903 the Bulgaria and the Bluecher were listed, both
from Hamburg.
Hope this helps,

Marcia Katzel DeVries
Concord, CA

From: REINSDORFsearch@webtv.net (judith reinsdorf)
On my Grandfathers Declaration Of Intention...it states he arrived on
the vessel-Bulgarra....May 15, 1903....Then on The Petition of
Naturalization, it states he arrived on the vessel Bulgaria.. July 18,
1903.....This would be easily clarified and I could learn a lot more
from the passenger list.... if I could find these vessels......they dont
seem to exist.......I have tried many sites of Immigrant ships....


JGS Palm Springs February Meeting #general

JGSPS@...
 

Our February meeting will be on our regular date, the fourth Sunday of
the month, February 25th, at 2:00 p.m. in the board room of the Jewish
Federation, 255 North El Cielo, Suite 420, Palm Springs, and will feature
a video on "The Lost Synagogues of Eastern Europe."

New Members and guests are always welcome. For more information e-mail
Gay Lynne Kegan at glynne@aol.com

Gay Lynne Kegan
President, JGS Palm Springs


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Palm Springs February Meeting #general

JGSPS@...
 

Our February meeting will be on our regular date, the fourth Sunday of
the month, February 25th, at 2:00 p.m. in the board room of the Jewish
Federation, 255 North El Cielo, Suite 420, Palm Springs, and will feature
a video on "The Lost Synagogues of Eastern Europe."

New Members and guests are always welcome. For more information e-mail
Gay Lynne Kegan at glynne@aol.com

Gay Lynne Kegan
President, JGS Palm Springs


Levin and Lurie #lithuania

DWFeldman1@...
 

The oral history of my family related our name as LURIE, but all the written records to date have the name as LEVIN. Is there a direct connection between the names LURIE and LEVIN that I'm just not aware of? Thank you.

Dianne FELDMAN
searching LEVIN/LURIE and VAYNIK >from Vaskai


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Levin and Lurie #lithuania

DWFeldman1@...
 

The oral history of my family related our name as LURIE, but all the written records to date have the name as LEVIN. Is there a direct connection between the names LURIE and LEVIN that I'm just not aware of? Thank you.

Dianne FELDMAN
searching LEVIN/LURIE and VAYNIK >from Vaskai


Vienna Database on European Family History #hungary

Florence & Henry Wellisch <kelwel@...>
 

I received the list of microfilms, shown below, of West Hungarian
communities, presently in the Burgenland, Austria,
located at the University of Salzburg. Please note that it includes
Eisenstadt.
Henry Wellisch
Toronto
----------------------------------------------
microfilm identification: A013
- Breitenbrunn 1857: census list
- Oberrabnitz 1857: table of foreigners
- Unterrabnitz 1857: table of foreigners

microfilm identification: A014
- Purbach 1857 (>from housenumber 11 on): census list
- Oberpullendorf 1857: census list
- Pieringsdorf 1857: census list

microfilm identification: A015
- Kleinhöflein 1857: census list
- Eisenstadt-Berg 1857: census list
- Eisenstadt-Schloß 1857: census list
- Hochstraß 1857: census list
- St.Georgen-Leitha 1857: census list

microfilm identification: A016
- Kaisersdorf 1857: census list
- Siegendorf 1857: census list

microfilm identification: A017
- Kaisersdorf 1857: census list
- Ober-Raibnitz 1857: census list
- Oslip 1857: census list
- Oggau 1857: census list
- Markt Steinberg 1857: census list
- Karl 1857: census list


Hungary SIG #Hungary Vienna Database on European Family History #hungary

Florence & Henry Wellisch <kelwel@...>
 

I received the list of microfilms, shown below, of West Hungarian
communities, presently in the Burgenland, Austria,
located at the University of Salzburg. Please note that it includes
Eisenstadt.
Henry Wellisch
Toronto
----------------------------------------------
microfilm identification: A013
- Breitenbrunn 1857: census list
- Oberrabnitz 1857: table of foreigners
- Unterrabnitz 1857: table of foreigners

microfilm identification: A014
- Purbach 1857 (>from housenumber 11 on): census list
- Oberpullendorf 1857: census list
- Pieringsdorf 1857: census list

microfilm identification: A015
- Kleinhöflein 1857: census list
- Eisenstadt-Berg 1857: census list
- Eisenstadt-Schloß 1857: census list
- Hochstraß 1857: census list
- St.Georgen-Leitha 1857: census list

microfilm identification: A016
- Kaisersdorf 1857: census list
- Siegendorf 1857: census list

microfilm identification: A017
- Kaisersdorf 1857: census list
- Ober-Raibnitz 1857: census list
- Oslip 1857: census list
- Oggau 1857: census list
- Markt Steinberg 1857: census list
- Karl 1857: census list


Re: Towie, 1st name or last? #general

hennynow
 

Replying to Judith,

"Theodore" is often the anglicized or americanized version of Tuviah or
Tevel (Tewel sp?). I can visualize a clerk transcribing Tuviah as
pronounced by someone with a heavy accent into "Towie," particularly if
you realize that the letter "w" in German is pronounced "v."

In your case, Judith, I would state that this is definitely a given or
first name.

Henny

Researching: JAWITZ (or YAVETS) - ARONOWITZ - WOLFF - TOLLMAN - CHANANIA
in Lithuania. MOED in Suchovola, Bialystok, Odessa ROTH in West Germany

Henriette Moed Roth
Los Angeles, CA
hennynow@pacbell.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Towie, 1st name or last? #general

hennynow
 

Replying to Judith,

"Theodore" is often the anglicized or americanized version of Tuviah or
Tevel (Tewel sp?). I can visualize a clerk transcribing Tuviah as
pronounced by someone with a heavy accent into "Towie," particularly if
you realize that the letter "w" in German is pronounced "v."

In your case, Judith, I would state that this is definitely a given or
first name.

Henny

Researching: JAWITZ (or YAVETS) - ARONOWITZ - WOLFF - TOLLMAN - CHANANIA
in Lithuania. MOED in Suchovola, Bialystok, Odessa ROTH in West Germany

Henriette Moed Roth
Los Angeles, CA
hennynow@pacbell.net


Kosssovo (Kosava) Belarus #belarus

Robert Kraft <bobbyalice@...>
 

Would anyone know if Kossovo has a town government? My ggf, ZALMUN WOLINSKI
owned a general store there ca 1890-1910 and I have not been able to
verify the fact.
Robert Kraft

Researching WOLANSKI, KRAVCHIC, KRAFT in Belarus:Rome,
SEGALSKI in Lithuania: THOMAS, HOCHMAN in Ukrainia.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Kosssovo (Kosava) Belarus #belarus

Robert Kraft <bobbyalice@...>
 

Would anyone know if Kossovo has a town government? My ggf, ZALMUN WOLINSKI
owned a general store there ca 1890-1910 and I have not been able to
verify the fact.
Robert Kraft

Researching WOLANSKI, KRAVCHIC, KRAFT in Belarus:Rome,
SEGALSKI in Lithuania: THOMAS, HOCHMAN in Ukrainia.


Search in Belorussia - is it possible? #belarus

RonatuF
 

Dear Colleagues!

My name is Roman Tunkel and I am researching Tunkel family
originated in area around Bobruisk. Currently I am looking for any documents
like death certificate, marriage certificate, birth certificate for several
TUNKELs >from Bobruisk, Pinsk, Glussk and Rogachev. I am capable to read or
write Russian so understand this documents is not a problem.
Can you help me with advice or some practical idea how to get this information?
Do you know somebody who can help with that?
Please answer privately.

Mean time you can visit my family tree site at:
http://www.geocities.com/ronatuf.
Hope many of you find it interesting and educational.

Please feel free to send a request for a personal user id and a password.
Thank you all for your interest and participation.

Sincerely yours,
Dr. Roman Tunkel
Arlington, MA, USA
ronatuf@yahoo.com
http://www.geocities.com/ronatuf

Searching for
TUNKEL - TOONKEL WORLDWIDE and
TERUSHKIN or TORUSHKIN (appr.1850-1880)
NEMERZEL' (appr. 1880-1920)
ERENBURG (appr. 1890-1930)
VOLKOV (appr.1900-1920)
RABKIN (appr. 1900-1930)
FRID (appr. 1910-1940)


Mogilev Jewish Cemetary... #belarus

Gerry Gilstrop <ggilstrop@...>
 

Recently on JewishGen.org I read that the cemetary in Mogilev is in
poor condition. I was curious if anyone has photographs of tombstones, a
name index, or perhaps a map (recent or otherwise) of the cemetary.

If so, does anyone have the information accesible either via a personal
website, or an Adobe Acrobat (.pdf) file?

Also does anyone know where in relationship to current Mogilev the
cemetary is located on a map?

Thanks in advance,
Gerry Gilstrop
Baltimore, Maryland
ggilstrop@myexcel.com