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Cercle de Genealogie Juive Finds Relatives #general

LindaJim Morzillo <jmorzil1@...>
 

I wish to thank the Cercle de Genealogie Juive in Paris for their help in
finding the descendants of my paternal grandfather's brother, my great
uncle. After reading Ronald WALLACE'S contribution on January 13, 2001
[submitted on the 12th] in which he wrote:

<<One day a few weeks ago, I noticed a posting on the Newsgroup >from a
female member of the Cercle de Genealogie Juive de Paris, who offered to
help non French Speaking individuals to find relatives in France. I
thought, what do I have to lose, so I wrote to her.>>

I thought, too, I had nothing to lose. The individual who contacted me had
little hope in finding anyone since the information I had was >from over
fifty years ago. This information was gathered >from two French
naturalization records and a statement concerning a deportment and
subsequent death at Terezia. Two sons and a daughter of my great uncle
were found in (telephone?) directories. The Cercle member spoke to a son
on the telephone and was kind enough to write letters to the two other
children, one of whom has responded. They apparently are in contact with
their aunt's (my great aunt's) family who also left what is now Belarus and
settled in France.

This took a matter of hours for one contact and the other a few days, the
Cercle member is an excellent detective, compensation is success in
connecting people. Thank you again and I encourage others looking for
people in France to contact them.

Linda Morzillo
Saratoga Springs, NY
Jmorzil1@nycap.rr.com

Researching:
PRESS and SCHNEIDER in Vidukle and Kaunas
AMCHISLAVSKY and ERLICHMAN in Rostov-on-Don and previously Kozelsk and
Oster, Chernigov Gubernia
COHEN/KAGAN and BORNSTEIN in Oshmyany, Vilna and France
KOSOFSKY in Stuchin/Szczuczyn/Shchuchyn/Scucyn
SWOTINSKY in Grodno Gubernia Poland/Russia/Belarus


Re: "St. Michael's Hungary" again #general

NFatouros@...
 

In regard to Stephanie Weiner's Jam. 31, 20001, inquiry, Mr. Neuwirth's
understanding of St. Michael being in Hungarian "St. Mihaly," and St.
Miklos being St. Nicholas. makes a lot of sense. It is quite possible that
Ms. Weiner's "St. Michael" was that the part of Budapest, Rakos
Szentmihaly, as Mr. Neuwirth suggested. I am happy to defer to him.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;SAS, Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol; BEHAM,
Salok, Kharkov.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cercle de Genealogie Juive Finds Relatives #general

LindaJim Morzillo <jmorzil1@...>
 

I wish to thank the Cercle de Genealogie Juive in Paris for their help in
finding the descendants of my paternal grandfather's brother, my great
uncle. After reading Ronald WALLACE'S contribution on January 13, 2001
[submitted on the 12th] in which he wrote:

<<One day a few weeks ago, I noticed a posting on the Newsgroup >from a
female member of the Cercle de Genealogie Juive de Paris, who offered to
help non French Speaking individuals to find relatives in France. I
thought, what do I have to lose, so I wrote to her.>>

I thought, too, I had nothing to lose. The individual who contacted me had
little hope in finding anyone since the information I had was >from over
fifty years ago. This information was gathered >from two French
naturalization records and a statement concerning a deportment and
subsequent death at Terezia. Two sons and a daughter of my great uncle
were found in (telephone?) directories. The Cercle member spoke to a son
on the telephone and was kind enough to write letters to the two other
children, one of whom has responded. They apparently are in contact with
their aunt's (my great aunt's) family who also left what is now Belarus and
settled in France.

This took a matter of hours for one contact and the other a few days, the
Cercle member is an excellent detective, compensation is success in
connecting people. Thank you again and I encourage others looking for
people in France to contact them.

Linda Morzillo
Saratoga Springs, NY
Jmorzil1@nycap.rr.com

Researching:
PRESS and SCHNEIDER in Vidukle and Kaunas
AMCHISLAVSKY and ERLICHMAN in Rostov-on-Don and previously Kozelsk and
Oster, Chernigov Gubernia
COHEN/KAGAN and BORNSTEIN in Oshmyany, Vilna and France
KOSOFSKY in Stuchin/Szczuczyn/Shchuchyn/Scucyn
SWOTINSKY in Grodno Gubernia Poland/Russia/Belarus


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: "St. Michael's Hungary" again #general

NFatouros@...
 

In regard to Stephanie Weiner's Jam. 31, 20001, inquiry, Mr. Neuwirth's
understanding of St. Michael being in Hungarian "St. Mihaly," and St.
Miklos being St. Nicholas. makes a lot of sense. It is quite possible that
Ms. Weiner's "St. Michael" was that the part of Budapest, Rakos
Szentmihaly, as Mr. Neuwirth suggested. I am happy to defer to him.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;SAS, Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol; BEHAM,
Salok, Kharkov.


Re: "St. Michaels Hungary" #general

S. & J. Neuwirth <solaris@...>
 

Hello to all,
I missed the original request for "St. Michael..." in Hungary, but St.
Michael translates as "Szent Mihály" in Hungarian and not Szent Miklós,
which would be Saint Nicholas. Also there is a suburb of Budapest called
Rákos Szentmihály that could be the location referred to.
Josef Neuwirth
Calgary, Alberta Canada
solaris@spots.ab.ca

----- Original Message -----
From: <NFatouros@aol.com>
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Cc: <laguna@sciti.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: "St. Michaels Hungary"

No wonder Stephanie Weiner could not find the location of St. Michaels
(Szentmiklos) in Hungary (see her message of Jan. 31, 2001)!

When I looked it up in my 1962 Columbia-Lippincott Gazetteer, the entry
referred me to the entry for "Chinyadevo." (Now "who woulda thunk it," as
my mother would have responded facetiously.)

The 1962 C-L's entry forChinyadevo says it was a village located on the
Latoritsa river, on railroad, in the west trans-Carpathian oblast of the
Ukrainian SSR. In 1941 it had a population of 2,850. It is five miles
north east of Mucachevo and has a 16th century castle. The residents did
lumbering and watch manufacturing. The town is sometimes called
"Chinadeyevo", and in Czech "Cinadjevo."

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "St. Michaels Hungary" #general

S. & J. Neuwirth <solaris@...>
 

Hello to all,
I missed the original request for "St. Michael..." in Hungary, but St.
Michael translates as "Szent Mihály" in Hungarian and not Szent Miklós,
which would be Saint Nicholas. Also there is a suburb of Budapest called
Rákos Szentmihály that could be the location referred to.
Josef Neuwirth
Calgary, Alberta Canada
solaris@spots.ab.ca

----- Original Message -----
From: <NFatouros@aol.com>
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Cc: <laguna@sciti.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: "St. Michaels Hungary"

No wonder Stephanie Weiner could not find the location of St. Michaels
(Szentmiklos) in Hungary (see her message of Jan. 31, 2001)!

When I looked it up in my 1962 Columbia-Lippincott Gazetteer, the entry
referred me to the entry for "Chinyadevo." (Now "who woulda thunk it," as
my mother would have responded facetiously.)

The 1962 C-L's entry forChinyadevo says it was a village located on the
Latoritsa river, on railroad, in the west trans-Carpathian oblast of the
Ukrainian SSR. In 1941 it had a population of 2,850. It is five miles
north east of Mucachevo and has a 16th century castle. The residents did
lumbering and watch manufacturing. The town is sometimes called
"Chinadeyevo", and in Czech "Cinadjevo."

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com


Call for Papers: Child Survivor & 2nd Generation Conference #lodz #poland

Seflaum@...
 

NOTE...DEADLINE FOR PROPOSED PAPERS IS FEB. 7th
There will also be some programs for Second Generation

">from the Holocaust to Healing the World
>from the Shoah to Tikkun Olam"

Jewish Child Survivors of the Holocaust, Houston and
Second Generation Jewish Holocaust Survivors

Public Forum on Children and Genocide

International Conference - Westin Galleria Hotel
Houston, Texas - October 14-16, 2001

Co-Sponsored by: World Federation of Jewish Child Survivors of the
Holocaust, Holocaust Museum Houston and Rice University

The Public Forum on Children and Genocide is dedicated to
furthering the understanding of the long-term effects of genocide upon
child survivors throughout the world, past and present. A major focus
of the forum will be the discussion by experts on what can be learned
from child survivors of the Holocaust and how those lessons can help
other children, worldwide, who are survivors of genocide today.

Scholars, historians, educators, members of the therapeutic
community, graduate students, and others knowledgeable about the subject
of children and genocide are invited to submit presentations in any form,
including, but not restricted to, lecture, panel, or seminar. There will
be 4 tracks:

1) The historical track will examine children's actual experiences in
the Holocaust, the framework in which these occurred and their aftermath.

2) The therapeutic track will look at the psyche and psychology of the
survivor as child and adult. Holocaust child survivors and children in
countries such as Bosnia, Cambodia, and Rwanda.

3) The educational track will address teaching about Children In The
Holocaust and other genocides in schools, universities, and other
learning institutions.

4) The general track will address the often-ignored effects of
genocidal wars on children and will consider the Holocaust and other
genocides >from various perspectives.

Submissions Accompanied By Page Listing Name(s) Of Presenter(s),
Addresses, Tel., Type Of Presentation, Length (30-90minutes), CV.,
proposal 2-5 pages, double spaced, in English. No returns unless
accompanied with a self-addressed envelope with postage.

DEADLINE FOR SUBMISSION: FEBRUARY 7, 2001

from THE SHOAH TO TIKUN OLAM CONFERENCE
Holocaust Museum Houston
5401 Caroline
Houston, TX 77004
Or by e-mail: ChildH2001@aol.com
Acceptance will be mailed by May 1, 2001.
Contact by e-mail only.

For more information see
< http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/ChildPresentations.htm >

Chaja Verveer
Houston, TX
mailto:ChajaV@aol.com
---


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Call for Papers: Child Survivor & 2nd Generation Conference #lodz #poland

Seflaum@...
 

NOTE...DEADLINE FOR PROPOSED PAPERS IS FEB. 7th
There will also be some programs for Second Generation

">from the Holocaust to Healing the World
>from the Shoah to Tikkun Olam"

Jewish Child Survivors of the Holocaust, Houston and
Second Generation Jewish Holocaust Survivors

Public Forum on Children and Genocide

International Conference - Westin Galleria Hotel
Houston, Texas - October 14-16, 2001

Co-Sponsored by: World Federation of Jewish Child Survivors of the
Holocaust, Holocaust Museum Houston and Rice University

The Public Forum on Children and Genocide is dedicated to
furthering the understanding of the long-term effects of genocide upon
child survivors throughout the world, past and present. A major focus
of the forum will be the discussion by experts on what can be learned
from child survivors of the Holocaust and how those lessons can help
other children, worldwide, who are survivors of genocide today.

Scholars, historians, educators, members of the therapeutic
community, graduate students, and others knowledgeable about the subject
of children and genocide are invited to submit presentations in any form,
including, but not restricted to, lecture, panel, or seminar. There will
be 4 tracks:

1) The historical track will examine children's actual experiences in
the Holocaust, the framework in which these occurred and their aftermath.

2) The therapeutic track will look at the psyche and psychology of the
survivor as child and adult. Holocaust child survivors and children in
countries such as Bosnia, Cambodia, and Rwanda.

3) The educational track will address teaching about Children In The
Holocaust and other genocides in schools, universities, and other
learning institutions.

4) The general track will address the often-ignored effects of
genocidal wars on children and will consider the Holocaust and other
genocides >from various perspectives.

Submissions Accompanied By Page Listing Name(s) Of Presenter(s),
Addresses, Tel., Type Of Presentation, Length (30-90minutes), CV.,
proposal 2-5 pages, double spaced, in English. No returns unless
accompanied with a self-addressed envelope with postage.

DEADLINE FOR SUBMISSION: FEBRUARY 7, 2001

from THE SHOAH TO TIKUN OLAM CONFERENCE
Holocaust Museum Houston
5401 Caroline
Houston, TX 77004
Or by e-mail: ChildH2001@aol.com
Acceptance will be mailed by May 1, 2001.
Contact by e-mail only.

For more information see
< http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/ChildPresentations.htm >

Chaja Verveer
Houston, TX
mailto:ChajaV@aol.com
---


Greenberg in Hartford, CT #general

angstreichc@...
 

I need some help to locate any descendants of Meyer and Sophie Greenberg,
they lived in Hartford, CT approximately >from 1915+_until death. They had
one son, name unknown, who had one or more children. Any help would be
appreciated. If you can not help please direct me to someone who can. Thanks!
Carol A. Zimmerman
mailto:angstreichc@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Greenberg in Hartford, CT #general

angstreichc@...
 

I need some help to locate any descendants of Meyer and Sophie Greenberg,
they lived in Hartford, CT approximately >from 1915+_until death. They had
one son, name unknown, who had one or more children. Any help would be
appreciated. If you can not help please direct me to someone who can. Thanks!
Carol A. Zimmerman
mailto:angstreichc@aol.com


War Bride Websites #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

I am hoping to find my cousins, fruits of a GI marrying an English girl
in the 1940s.

GOLDSMITH - Cissie (nee MICHAELS >from London) settled in Brooklyn with her
children, Alec (known as Boykins) Barbara & Betty. Betty married G.I.
Nathan ASHER-a bagel maker & had 2 daughters, Maxine & Lois. Lois died as
a young woman in the dentist's chair, somewhere in NYC. Maxine is till
alive-I'd love to find her.

Babs married a G.I. Max APPLEBAUM. I have no further information.

Maybe these websites, culled >from the excellent Rootsweb, will help.


AMERICAN WAR BRIDE EXPERIENCES
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9710/WarBrides.html

AMERICAN WAR BRIDES OF WW2 (message boards)
http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb1031235

CANADIAN WAR BRIDES
http://home.istar.ca/~lyster/warbride/

PIER 21 (CANADIAN WAR BRIDE STORIES)
http://www.pier21.ns.ca/storyw.html
[WARBRIDES. A mailing list for putting World War II war brides
and their children in touch with others to share reminiscences.

To subscribe send e-mail that says only SUBSCRIBE to
WARBRIDES-L-request@rootsweb.com (mail mode) or
WARBRIDES-D-request@rootsweb.com (digest mode).
There is an archive of past messages to browse and search at
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/WARBRIDES/2001-01 (for
the January 2001 messages, for example.]

WW2 WAR BRIDES EXPERIENCE http://go.to/USwarbrides/
http://go.to/USwarbrides/

<< Permission to reprint articles >from Rootsweb Review is granted
unless specifically stated otherwise, provided: (1) the reprint
is used for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the
following notice appears at the end of the article:

Written by Myra Vanderpool Gormley. Previously published by
RootsWeb.com, Inc., RootsWeb Review: RootsWeb's Genealogy News,
Vol. 4, No. 3, 17 January 2001. RootsWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/ >>

Miriam Margolyes
Santa Monica

email: 75342.3217@compuserve.com

searching: APPLEBAUM (NYC) ASHER (Brooklyn) GOLDSMITH (NYC)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen War Bride Websites #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

I am hoping to find my cousins, fruits of a GI marrying an English girl
in the 1940s.

GOLDSMITH - Cissie (nee MICHAELS >from London) settled in Brooklyn with her
children, Alec (known as Boykins) Barbara & Betty. Betty married G.I.
Nathan ASHER-a bagel maker & had 2 daughters, Maxine & Lois. Lois died as
a young woman in the dentist's chair, somewhere in NYC. Maxine is till
alive-I'd love to find her.

Babs married a G.I. Max APPLEBAUM. I have no further information.

Maybe these websites, culled >from the excellent Rootsweb, will help.


AMERICAN WAR BRIDE EXPERIENCES
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9710/WarBrides.html

AMERICAN WAR BRIDES OF WW2 (message boards)
http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb1031235

CANADIAN WAR BRIDES
http://home.istar.ca/~lyster/warbride/

PIER 21 (CANADIAN WAR BRIDE STORIES)
http://www.pier21.ns.ca/storyw.html
[WARBRIDES. A mailing list for putting World War II war brides
and their children in touch with others to share reminiscences.

To subscribe send e-mail that says only SUBSCRIBE to
WARBRIDES-L-request@rootsweb.com (mail mode) or
WARBRIDES-D-request@rootsweb.com (digest mode).
There is an archive of past messages to browse and search at
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/WARBRIDES/2001-01 (for
the January 2001 messages, for example.]

WW2 WAR BRIDES EXPERIENCE http://go.to/USwarbrides/
http://go.to/USwarbrides/

<< Permission to reprint articles >from Rootsweb Review is granted
unless specifically stated otherwise, provided: (1) the reprint
is used for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the
following notice appears at the end of the article:

Written by Myra Vanderpool Gormley. Previously published by
RootsWeb.com, Inc., RootsWeb Review: RootsWeb's Genealogy News,
Vol. 4, No. 3, 17 January 2001. RootsWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/ >>

Miriam Margolyes
Santa Monica

email: 75342.3217@compuserve.com

searching: APPLEBAUM (NYC) ASHER (Brooklyn) GOLDSMITH (NYC)


California Vital Records Indexes - County Numbers #general

Ted Gostin
 

There have been several postings lately asking about the county
numbers in the California death index (also used for the birth and
marriage indexes). In particular, there is some confusion over the
use of two different county codes for the four most populous
counties in the state: Alameda, Los Angeles, San Diego and San
Francisco. While I can't provide a complete explanation, I can
debunk a couple of myths and explain how these numbers were
used (although not why).

California began requiring counties to forward copies of their vital
records to the state in 1905. Since that time, the state has
maintained statewide indexes to vital records, some of which are
publicly available. The county in which the event occurred is
identified in these indexes by a two digit numerical code. The
counties were numbered sequentially, in alphabetical order,
starting >from Alameda (01) to Yuba (58). In addition to these
county numbers, the four most populous counties were also given
a second code, using only the decennial numbers starting with 60:
Alameda County - 60, Los Angeles County - 70, San Diego County
- 80, and San Francisco County - 90. Thus, these four counties
have two different county codes, as follows:

Alameda: 01 or 60
Los Angeles: 19 or 70
San Diego: 37 or 80
San Francisco: 38 or 90

The confusion arises because there doesn't seem to be any logic
to the use of these two codes for the four largest counties. While
I'm not sure why two codes were assigned to the counties, or
when, I can say >from experience that there are certain things that
are not true about them.

- They do not represent "city" and "county" codes, as some have
claimed. You will find Los Angeles City deaths, for example,
identified by both the 70 and 19 codes, and deaths in other parts of
the county identified by both codes.

- They do not appear to represent "earlier" and "later" codes, since
the state has alternated their use several times since 1905.

The two sets of county codes for these four counties have been
used as follows:

1905-1939: Only 60, 70, 80 and 90 used. 01, 19, 37 and 38 not
used in the indexes for these years.

1940-1959: Only 01, 19, 37 and 38 used; 60, 70, 80 and 90 not
used in the indexes for these years.

1960-69: Only 60, 70, 80 and 90 used.

1970-79: Both sets of numbers used.

1980-present: Only 01, 19, 37 & 38 used. Decennial numbers (60,
70, 80 & 90) not used in index.

I have examined hundreds of certificates in an attempt to determine
any pattern for the county code number used. It seems to be
somewhat arbitrary. During the decade of the 1970s, it can be
clearly traced to the different "local registration district" codes
being used. Within each county, the state assigned these district
codes for statistical purposes. During the 1970s, different
communities in Los Angeles County had local registration district
numbers starting with either 19 or 70, and this seems to determine
which county code was used in the index. Looking at several
deaths, for example: Burbank local registration district 7097,
deaths in Burbank receive county code 70 in index; Long Beach
local registration district 7052, deaths in Long Beach receive
county code 70 in index; Los Angeles City (after 1974) local
registration district 0190, Los Angeles deaths after 1974 receive
county code 19 in index. Earlier in the decade, most of Los
Angeles also had local registration district number 7097, and these
deaths are identified in the index as county 70.

This explanation doesn't explain the use of 19/70 and the other
pairs in other decades, since the county code used and the local
registration district number don't always match.

One of these days I'll probably find someone in the state who can
provide some explanations for this inconsistent use of the two
codes, but for now, just knowing when the different codes were
used may help some people.


Ted Gostin
Los Angeles, CA
tedgostin@generationspress.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen California Vital Records Indexes - County Numbers #general

Ted Gostin
 

There have been several postings lately asking about the county
numbers in the California death index (also used for the birth and
marriage indexes). In particular, there is some confusion over the
use of two different county codes for the four most populous
counties in the state: Alameda, Los Angeles, San Diego and San
Francisco. While I can't provide a complete explanation, I can
debunk a couple of myths and explain how these numbers were
used (although not why).

California began requiring counties to forward copies of their vital
records to the state in 1905. Since that time, the state has
maintained statewide indexes to vital records, some of which are
publicly available. The county in which the event occurred is
identified in these indexes by a two digit numerical code. The
counties were numbered sequentially, in alphabetical order,
starting >from Alameda (01) to Yuba (58). In addition to these
county numbers, the four most populous counties were also given
a second code, using only the decennial numbers starting with 60:
Alameda County - 60, Los Angeles County - 70, San Diego County
- 80, and San Francisco County - 90. Thus, these four counties
have two different county codes, as follows:

Alameda: 01 or 60
Los Angeles: 19 or 70
San Diego: 37 or 80
San Francisco: 38 or 90

The confusion arises because there doesn't seem to be any logic
to the use of these two codes for the four largest counties. While
I'm not sure why two codes were assigned to the counties, or
when, I can say >from experience that there are certain things that
are not true about them.

- They do not represent "city" and "county" codes, as some have
claimed. You will find Los Angeles City deaths, for example,
identified by both the 70 and 19 codes, and deaths in other parts of
the county identified by both codes.

- They do not appear to represent "earlier" and "later" codes, since
the state has alternated their use several times since 1905.

The two sets of county codes for these four counties have been
used as follows:

1905-1939: Only 60, 70, 80 and 90 used. 01, 19, 37 and 38 not
used in the indexes for these years.

1940-1959: Only 01, 19, 37 and 38 used; 60, 70, 80 and 90 not
used in the indexes for these years.

1960-69: Only 60, 70, 80 and 90 used.

1970-79: Both sets of numbers used.

1980-present: Only 01, 19, 37 & 38 used. Decennial numbers (60,
70, 80 & 90) not used in index.

I have examined hundreds of certificates in an attempt to determine
any pattern for the county code number used. It seems to be
somewhat arbitrary. During the decade of the 1970s, it can be
clearly traced to the different "local registration district" codes
being used. Within each county, the state assigned these district
codes for statistical purposes. During the 1970s, different
communities in Los Angeles County had local registration district
numbers starting with either 19 or 70, and this seems to determine
which county code was used in the index. Looking at several
deaths, for example: Burbank local registration district 7097,
deaths in Burbank receive county code 70 in index; Long Beach
local registration district 7052, deaths in Long Beach receive
county code 70 in index; Los Angeles City (after 1974) local
registration district 0190, Los Angeles deaths after 1974 receive
county code 19 in index. Earlier in the decade, most of Los
Angeles also had local registration district number 7097, and these
deaths are identified in the index as county 70.

This explanation doesn't explain the use of 19/70 and the other
pairs in other decades, since the county code used and the local
registration district number don't always match.

One of these days I'll probably find someone in the state who can
provide some explanations for this inconsistent use of the two
codes, but for now, just knowing when the different codes were
used may help some people.


Ted Gostin
Los Angeles, CA
tedgostin@generationspress.com


Pfalz Germany researcher needed #general

paul klein <pklein@...>
 

I am trying to find someone to do research in the area of Gauersheim,
Alzey, Gaugrehweiler, Bischofsheim.

If you can recommend someone, please reply privately.

Paul Klein
Cleveland, Ohio, US
pklein@stratos.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Pfalz Germany researcher needed #general

paul klein <pklein@...>
 

I am trying to find someone to do research in the area of Gauersheim,
Alzey, Gaugrehweiler, Bischofsheim.

If you can recommend someone, please reply privately.

Paul Klein
Cleveland, Ohio, US
pklein@stratos.net


Re: Mutilation to avoid Conscription #belarus

Andrea Vangor <drav@...>
 

With apologies for a sort of non-contribution to the discussion,
although negative evidence is still evidence: my great-grandfather
left Vitebsk, Russia when he was probably draft age or near to it.
He had been blinded in one eye due to a childhood illness, probably
measles. However, no one in our family ever said or heard anything
to suggest that this was a deliberate injury to avoid the draft...

Andrea Vangor


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Mutilation to avoid Conscription #belarus

Andrea Vangor <drav@...>
 

With apologies for a sort of non-contribution to the discussion,
although negative evidence is still evidence: my great-grandfather
left Vitebsk, Russia when he was probably draft age or near to it.
He had been blinded in one eye due to a childhood illness, probably
measles. However, no one in our family ever said or heard anything
to suggest that this was a deliberate injury to avoid the draft...

Andrea Vangor


Re: Drafted into the Imperial Russian Army #belarus

farran <farran@...>
 

My grandfather served in the Russian Army. In fact, his photo is in
the Belarus "SIG" newletter, in Logan M. Lockabey 's article of
unknown photos:

http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/newsletter/photo2.htm

He is sitting flanked by two standing soldiers [photo # 13]. Logan
and I will soon be writting a story about it. There are two stories
about his service. The better of the two stories has him:
a. becomming a sergent in the calvalry
b. talking his men into a demostration for greater bread rations
c. being sent to prison in Siberia
d. being sent into the front lines during the War of !905 .
e. beign found my his mothaer in Siberia and with her urging
deserting with his five horses
f. He shaves ands dresses as a woman. They take the railroad back
to Polotsk, where his uncle, who just happens to be my
Grandmother's ( his future wife) father pays his way to England.
g. He loved ham--never had it before or after the Army.

This story was told to me by my Grandmother--during my Yiddish school
homework. Surely it was !00% the truth --Would a Bubba lie to a 10
year old?

The second story was told by my grandfather's nephew.
It is very simple. My grandfather finished his tour of duty.
He gathered his three younger brothers and proclaimed that none of them
were ever going to be subjected to horrors of the Russain Army.
They all were going to America.

Bill Farran


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Drafted into the Imperial Russian Army #belarus

farran <farran@...>
 

My grandfather served in the Russian Army. In fact, his photo is in
the Belarus "SIG" newletter, in Logan M. Lockabey 's article of
unknown photos:

http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/newsletter/photo2.htm

He is sitting flanked by two standing soldiers [photo # 13]. Logan
and I will soon be writting a story about it. There are two stories
about his service. The better of the two stories has him:
a. becomming a sergent in the calvalry
b. talking his men into a demostration for greater bread rations
c. being sent to prison in Siberia
d. being sent into the front lines during the War of !905 .
e. beign found my his mothaer in Siberia and with her urging
deserting with his five horses
f. He shaves ands dresses as a woman. They take the railroad back
to Polotsk, where his uncle, who just happens to be my
Grandmother's ( his future wife) father pays his way to England.
g. He loved ham--never had it before or after the Army.

This story was told to me by my Grandmother--during my Yiddish school
homework. Surely it was !00% the truth --Would a Bubba lie to a 10
year old?

The second story was told by my grandfather's nephew.
It is very simple. My grandfather finished his tour of duty.
He gathered his three younger brothers and proclaimed that none of them
were ever going to be subjected to horrors of the Russain Army.
They all were going to America.

Bill Farran