Is anybody familiar with a Rabbi Isaac REINS (1839-1915) who
one of the founders of the religious Zionist movement Mizrachi"?
One part of my ancestors were REIMS, REINS >from Alsace and I'm
searching a connection with this Rabbi.
Thanks
P. Kogan

Pierre Kogan
kogan@wanadoo.fr
Strasbourg, FRANCE

Is anybody familiar with a Rabbi Isaac REINS (1839-1915) who
one of the founders of the religious Zionist movement Mizrachi"?
One part of my ancestors were REIMS, REINS >from Alsace and I'm
searching a connection with this Rabbi.
Thanks
P. Kogan

Pierre Kogan
kogan@wanadoo.fr
Strasbourg, FRANCE

I have a photo of a family who probably have a surname of
SACK/SACH or ELFEMBEM/ELEFENBIEN/ALFEMBEM (or similar) - not sure
which of these two families this photo relates to.
Date probably 1860-1920.
Location Central or Eastern Europe.
The above families are my wife's ancestral families.

Family names include Abraham SACK (son of David SACK).
Becky/Betsy/Beila/Elizabeth ELFEMBEM/ELEFENBIEN/ALFEMBEM (or
similar), daughter of Israel ELFEMBEM (or similar).
Abraham and Becky had a daughter called Rachel Minnie Sack born
in England in 1902.

The photo is posted up on the JewishGen ViewMate site
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/
in the "To View" section - as file - VM301.
It will be available there >from now until 21 January 2001.

Does anyone recognise the persons >from another photo they may
have?
Can anyone date the photo better than I.
How about the region in Europe based on the clothes?
Is the man wearing an army uniform?
What about the material of the clothes. The lady and one boy a
are wearing clothes made of an unusual striped cloth. Anyone
recognise it or got any ideas.
Any ideas or potential family contacts would be gratefully
received.
Thanks in Advance
Sincerely
Laurence Harris
Pinner, Middlesex, England

I have a photo of a family who probably have a surname of
SACK/SACH or ELFEMBEM/ELEFENBIEN/ALFEMBEM (or similar) - not sure
which of these two families this photo relates to.
Date probably 1860-1920.
Location Central or Eastern Europe.
The above families are my wife's ancestral families.

Family names include Abraham SACK (son of David SACK).
Becky/Betsy/Beila/Elizabeth ELFEMBEM/ELEFENBIEN/ALFEMBEM (or
similar), daughter of Israel ELFEMBEM (or similar).
Abraham and Becky had a daughter called Rachel Minnie Sack born
in England in 1902.

The photo is posted up on the JewishGen ViewMate site
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/
in the "To View" section - as file - VM301.
It will be available there >from now until 21 January 2001.

Does anyone recognise the persons >from another photo they may
have?
Can anyone date the photo better than I.
How about the region in Europe based on the clothes?
Is the man wearing an army uniform?
What about the material of the clothes. The lady and one boy a
are wearing clothes made of an unusual striped cloth. Anyone
recognise it or got any ideas.
Any ideas or potential family contacts would be gratefully
received.
Thanks in Advance
Sincerely
Laurence Harris
Pinner, Middlesex, England

Belarus SIGers:

Here's an interesting question on the copyright problem:

Would there be a copyright infringement involved if the individuals
who volunteer to "transcribe" actually write a report on the subject
town, and cite the source (Jewish Encyclopedia) in a bibliography?
As long as no quoting of the actual article is done, I think it might
not be infringement. Just like in high school, the article copy is,
then, for your personal use in writing your report on your shtetl.
This would be more work than simply typing the original, word for word,
but seems more legal. It also leaves the writer the opportunity to
incorporate other information >from other sources ("Where Once We
Walked", etc.), as long as those sources are also cited in a
bibliography.

Just a thought...is there an educated, legal opinion out there as to
whether we could do this? BTW, I have no specific genealogical interest
in Belarus at this time, I subscribe on the possibility that those whose
birthplace is currently unknown may have been >from Belarus! :)

Regards,

Marla Goldman
Mesa AZ

Researching:
GOLDMAN/CITRIN/KOPYT - Olyka, Volhynia, Ukraine/Philadelphia PA and
Boston MA, USA
REINER - Germany or Russia?/Rosenhayn NJ/Philadelphia PA/Boston MA USA
BLEICHER/BLOCHER - Rumania/NYC NY/Philadelphia PA/Boston MA USA

Belarus SIGers:

Here's an interesting question on the copyright problem:

Would there be a copyright infringement involved if the individuals
who volunteer to "transcribe" actually write a report on the subject
town, and cite the source (Jewish Encyclopedia) in a bibliography?
As long as no quoting of the actual article is done, I think it might
not be infringement. Just like in high school, the article copy is,
then, for your personal use in writing your report on your shtetl.
This would be more work than simply typing the original, word for word,
but seems more legal. It also leaves the writer the opportunity to
incorporate other information >from other sources ("Where Once We
Walked", etc.), as long as those sources are also cited in a
bibliography.

Just a thought...is there an educated, legal opinion out there as to
whether we could do this? BTW, I have no specific genealogical interest
in Belarus at this time, I subscribe on the possibility that those whose
birthplace is currently unknown may have been >from Belarus! :)

Regards,

Marla Goldman
Mesa AZ

Researching:
GOLDMAN/CITRIN/KOPYT - Olyka, Volhynia, Ukraine/Philadelphia PA and
Boston MA, USA
REINER - Germany or Russia?/Rosenhayn NJ/Philadelphia PA/Boston MA USA
BLEICHER/BLOCHER - Rumania/NYC NY/Philadelphia PA/Boston MA USA

A kind Genner looked at the scanned wedding
invitation and deciphered the flowery script
as Seinwel. A google search turned up some
10 hits on that given name.

Thanks to all who responded
Jerome

Hi,

I was wondering if there exist publications for Lomza (or anywhere in Poland) that contain censuses, name change lists, or lists of marriages -- as are available for Alsace, France.

Kind regards,
Bernie Hirsch Dallas,Texas,USA bernie06@sprynet.com fax:530-618-7232


GLINKA,GLINKY in Rajgrod, Lomza, and Kolno, Lomza;
LEW in Lomza, Tykocin and Leinuinei, Lomza;
MOEL in Wizna, Lomza;
ROTEROZEN in Rajgrod, Lomza;
RUTKA, RUCKA in Goniondz, Grodno;

A kind Genner looked at the scanned wedding
invitation and deciphered the flowery script
as Seinwel. A google search turned up some
10 hits on that given name.

Thanks to all who responded
Jerome

Hi,

I was wondering if there exist publications for Lomza (or anywhere in Poland) that contain censuses, name change lists, or lists of marriages -- as are available for Alsace, France.

Kind regards,
Bernie Hirsch Dallas,Texas,USA bernie06@sprynet.com fax:530-618-7232


GLINKA,GLINKY in Rajgrod, Lomza, and Kolno, Lomza;
LEW in Lomza, Tykocin and Leinuinei, Lomza;
MOEL in Wizna, Lomza;
ROTEROZEN in Rajgrod, Lomza;
RUTKA, RUCKA in Goniondz, Grodno;

Chortkov (Czortkow) at coordinates 4901 2548 was not part of the Russian
Empire or the Kingdom of Poland in the 19th Century. It was a district town
in the eastern part of Galicia (currently Ukraine), which was a province of
the Austro-Hungarian empire until the end of WWI.

But you have come to the right place. Recently, JRI-Poland embarked on a
project to index vital records held by the AGAD Archives in Poland. This
Archive has over 1,900 vital record registers for 82 towns in the eastern
part of the former Galician province including Czortkow. The Czortkow records
at the AGAD Archives are:

Births: 1874-1894
Deaths: 1884-1891, 1893

Vital records for Tarnopol and 12 nearby towns are currently being indexed.
The records for the remaining 69 towns, including Czortkow, will be indexed
in the future. No schedule has yet been established. However, announcements
regarding future indexing will be carried in this forum.

For further information about this project, please see our web page at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/agad/index.htm>.

Mark Halpern
AGAD Tarnopol Area Coordinator

Chortkov (Czortkow) at coordinates 4901 2548 was not part of the Russian
Empire or the Kingdom of Poland in the 19th Century. It was a district town
in the eastern part of Galicia (currently Ukraine), which was a province of
the Austro-Hungarian empire until the end of WWI.

But you have come to the right place. Recently, JRI-Poland embarked on a
project to index vital records held by the AGAD Archives in Poland. This
Archive has over 1,900 vital record registers for 82 towns in the eastern
part of the former Galician province including Czortkow. The Czortkow records
at the AGAD Archives are:

Births: 1874-1894
Deaths: 1884-1891, 1893

Vital records for Tarnopol and 12 nearby towns are currently being indexed.
The records for the remaining 69 towns, including Czortkow, will be indexed
in the future. No schedule has yet been established. However, announcements
regarding future indexing will be carried in this forum.

For further information about this project, please see our web page at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/agad/index.htm>.

Mark Halpern
AGAD Tarnopol Area Coordinator

Hello Everyone,

I'm new to the list and thought I would post my research interests. I am
researching both the PETERS and DERFIELD surnames >from the Manchester area.

My grandfather was David (Teddy) PETERS who left England in the 1920s never
to return. He refused to speak of his family in England and certainly never
told anyone he was Jewish. Last year I managed to locate PETERS relatives
still living in Manchester and have managed to piece together much of the
family tree. However, all but one of David's sibling remain a mystery.
David had two brothers, Arthur and Louis (known as Bozzy), and one sister
named Annie. Their father's name was Ellis Isaac PETERS (known as Motty to
family) and and their mother was Sohpia DERFIELD. Both Louis and Arthur
married outside the Jewish faith and were therefore cut-off >from the rest
of the family. Annie PETERS married a GOODMAN and I have since found that
family. However, due to the separation of the siblings they have no idea
where or how to contact Louis and Arthur's families.

The quest to find DERFIELDs still living in England has proved to be
difficult. I believe there was only one family in all of England with that
surname. Last year I managed to find a couple of people who I'm related to
and they were able to provide me with a brief background into the family.
Sophia DERFIELD had four siblings (that I know of) one of which was Harry
DERFIELD who had 10 children. All the kids were musical and one, Nathaniel
DERFIELD, even had his own orchestra. I would love to find additional
descendants of the DERFIELD family and learn more about the surname and
additional relatives that I'm missing in my research.

My big quest however is to find my grandfather's siblings and their
families. It would be nice to meet family as well as solve an eighty year
old mystery as to why David PETERS left England never to return.

I would appreciate _any_ information at all!!

Thank you!

Lisa Bako

I have discovered some entries in the Tarnopol AGAD Births 1866-1892 but
have been unable to find the LDS film number. I downloaded the file
containing LDS microfilm numbers and could find no reference to any Tarnopol records. Can someone help, please?

Regards

Greta James
greta@attglobal.net
Sydney, Australia

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Some people say "timing is everything." In this case, Greta's message to the JRI-Poland Digest was followed by sheer coincidence by a message >from Mark Halpern, describing the indexing currently taking place for Tarnopol records in the AGAD Archives. It should provide an answer to Greta's question.

Hello Everyone,

I'm new to the list and thought I would post my research interests. I am
researching both the PETERS and DERFIELD surnames >from the Manchester area.

My grandfather was David (Teddy) PETERS who left England in the 1920s never
to return. He refused to speak of his family in England and certainly never
told anyone he was Jewish. Last year I managed to locate PETERS relatives
still living in Manchester and have managed to piece together much of the
family tree. However, all but one of David's sibling remain a mystery.
David had two brothers, Arthur and Louis (known as Bozzy), and one sister
named Annie. Their father's name was Ellis Isaac PETERS (known as Motty to
family) and and their mother was Sohpia DERFIELD. Both Louis and Arthur
married outside the Jewish faith and were therefore cut-off >from the rest
of the family. Annie PETERS married a GOODMAN and I have since found that
family. However, due to the separation of the siblings they have no idea
where or how to contact Louis and Arthur's families.

The quest to find DERFIELDs still living in England has proved to be
difficult. I believe there was only one family in all of England with that
surname. Last year I managed to find a couple of people who I'm related to
and they were able to provide me with a brief background into the family.
Sophia DERFIELD had four siblings (that I know of) one of which was Harry
DERFIELD who had 10 children. All the kids were musical and one, Nathaniel
DERFIELD, even had his own orchestra. I would love to find additional
descendants of the DERFIELD family and learn more about the surname and
additional relatives that I'm missing in my research.

My big quest however is to find my grandfather's siblings and their
families. It would be nice to meet family as well as solve an eighty year
old mystery as to why David PETERS left England never to return.

I would appreciate _any_ information at all!!

Thank you!

Lisa Bako

I have discovered some entries in the Tarnopol AGAD Births 1866-1892 but
have been unable to find the LDS film number. I downloaded the file
containing LDS microfilm numbers and could find no reference to any Tarnopol records. Can someone help, please?

Regards

Greta James
greta@attglobal.net
Sydney, Australia

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Some people say "timing is everything." In this case, Greta's message to the JRI-Poland Digest was followed by sheer coincidence by a message >from Mark Halpern, describing the indexing currently taking place for Tarnopol records in the AGAD Archives. It should provide an answer to Greta's question.

I tried to reach Susan Shapiro PROCTOR, JewishGen Family Finder
researcher # 26707 at slp1@earthlink.net. The e-mail message bounced
back to me, marked "User unknown".

Can anyone tell me how to get in touch with her? Trying to track SHAPIRO
families is tough since the name is so common, but I think there's a
decent chance of a connection here.

Thank you!

Tish Shapiro
tish_shapiro@juno.com

I tried to reach Susan Shapiro PROCTOR, JewishGen Family Finder
researcher # 26707 at slp1@earthlink.net. The e-mail message bounced
back to me, marked "User unknown".

Can anyone tell me how to get in touch with her? Trying to track SHAPIRO
families is tough since the name is so common, but I think there's a
decent chance of a connection here.

Thank you!

Tish Shapiro
tish_shapiro@juno.com

I am looking for my relatives, who probably live in Canada
and/or in the United States. Below I present you the small
information that I have with my suppositions.

There were four brothers in the former Russia with surname
GARBER (they had no sisters, as I know). Their father's first
name was Ruvim in Russian spelling and Reuben or Rube or
Rubin in English spelling.

Two of them (textile workers?), I may suppose, the oldest,
went to Canada (through USA?) about 1905-1910 from
the Ukraine region and lived there with their large families
(my father told me about corresponding family photo).

I may suppose that among their children was Reuben or Rube
or Rubin Garber named in honour of his grandfather as I was
named in honour of my grandfather, Elias Ruvimovich Garber.
This person was probably born in 1910-1925 in Canada.

My grandfather Elias (or Elijah in English spelling)
Ruvimovich Garber was born in 1893, that's why I think that
his Canadien brothers were older. He lived until 1914 in
Belovezskaya Puscha (now, Belarus). He was a soldier in the
World War I at the Turkish front, and then, after 1917,
lived in Rostov-on-Don city. My father Eugene (his only
child) was born there in 1923. My grandfather had
correspondence with Canadien brothers until WWII. They
sent him letters, presents, parcels etc. My grandfather was
killed in 1941 fighting against nazists.

The last, fourth brother, Semen (?) lived before the World
War II in Sumy, now Ukraine. >from the words of my father I
know that he had a daughter approximately of his age, may
be slightly older.

I ask you to help me in my search of the relatives, the
children of my predecessors. It is very important for me
to restore broken connections.

Let me shortly introduce myself. I, Elias Garber, was born in
1950 near Murmansk, Russia, married, Ph. D. in Psychology.

I would appreciate any help or advice directing me how to
solve my problem and contact with the relatives.

With best wishes,
Elias

I am looking for my relatives, who probably live in Canada
and/or in the United States. Below I present you the small
information that I have with my suppositions.

There were four brothers in the former Russia with surname
GARBER (they had no sisters, as I know). Their father's first
name was Ruvim in Russian spelling and Reuben or Rube or
Rubin in English spelling.

Two of them (textile workers?), I may suppose, the oldest,
went to Canada (through USA?) about 1905-1910 from
the Ukraine region and lived there with their large families
(my father told me about corresponding family photo).

I may suppose that among their children was Reuben or Rube
or Rubin Garber named in honour of his grandfather as I was
named in honour of my grandfather, Elias Ruvimovich Garber.
This person was probably born in 1910-1925 in Canada.

My grandfather Elias (or Elijah in English spelling)
Ruvimovich Garber was born in 1893, that's why I think that
his Canadien brothers were older. He lived until 1914 in
Belovezskaya Puscha (now, Belarus). He was a soldier in the
World War I at the Turkish front, and then, after 1917,
lived in Rostov-on-Don city. My father Eugene (his only
child) was born there in 1923. My grandfather had
correspondence with Canadien brothers until WWII. They
sent him letters, presents, parcels etc. My grandfather was
killed in 1941 fighting against nazists.

The last, fourth brother, Semen (?) lived before the World
War II in Sumy, now Ukraine. >from the words of my father I
know that he had a daughter approximately of his age, may
be slightly older.

I ask you to help me in my search of the relatives, the
children of my predecessors. It is very important for me
to restore broken connections.

Let me shortly introduce myself. I, Elias Garber, was born in
1950 near Murmansk, Russia, married, Ph. D. in Psychology.

I would appreciate any help or advice directing me how to
solve my problem and contact with the relatives.

With best wishes,
Elias