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Re: One story behind the age changes #general

Prof. Slifkin <slifkin@...>
 

There is no ban on first cousins marrying each other among
Orthodox Jews. Uncles can even marry nieces and although
it is illegal in many countries I know people who went
abroad to marry their nieces.


only thing that they had to be careful of was that the
bride and groom were not first cousins. Even this
became a problem, because people were driven
from "shtetel to shtetle" as the Czar or Cossacks went
on rampages (Pogroms), or anti-semitism became so
threatening, as in Poland, and especially Galicia, that
flight was imperative. Thus, family ties were lost, and
later it was found that indeed first cousins did marry,
albeit unknowingly. This may well explain some of the
genetic diseases common to Jews of Eastern
European "origin".

Professor M A Slifkin userid: slifkin@mail.jct.ac.il
Jerusalem Israel


Canadian Immigration Records #general

greystoke@...
 

The Canadian Archives website provides detailed information on how to
access immigration records, border crossings and passenger lists.  They
offer some level of researcher services.  There is also an online
database covering the years 1925-1935 - searchable by surname, given
name, ship,  port of arrival, year of arrival.  It can take a bit of
time and sometimes imagination on how names might have been spelled but
it works.
 
http://www.archives.ca/exec/naweb.dll?fs&;02020204&e&top&0
 
Best of luck
 
Lucy Walker
Toronto
greystoke@attcanada.ca
 
VOLKOVICH / ZAIDMAN  (Odessa)  BULBIER (Kishinev)  GOLD / SMILOVICI
(Iasi Roumania) SCOP (Pulin)
EJNECHOWICZ / CHENNOCOVICH / HENNICOVICH / WEINSTOCK  (Opatow, Poland)
GOTLIEB (Radom, Poland)
PLASHIEWSKI  (Charsznica, Poland) ELBAUM (Kielce, Poland)


Re: Age changes #general

Cyndee Meystel <cmeys@...>
 

Sally's comments about 1st cousins, etc. marrying are very correct.

I once spoke on Jewish geneology to an Orthodox Jewish women's organization.
I asked the women present if anyone could name all 8 of her husband and her
great-grandparents. One woman (a member of a very prominent Chassidic
rabbinic family -- daughter of a famous Rebbe) tentatively raised her hand,
and said that she could name all of their great-grandparents, but between
her and her husband, they only had 5 (not 8)! -- because of so many relative
marriages!

Cyndee Meystel
Chicago, IL

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the e-mail address to reply.
cmeys@nospamearthlink.net

In Jewish law, marriage between first cousins is very legal. It is even
legal for an uncle to marry a neice. First cousin marriages were
extremely common, and not because the families didn't know they were
related. The parents of first cousins are brothers and sisters! It had
nothing to do with losing touch and moving around. If you look at a
stable population, first cousin marriages are very common. Check out my
family tree for many examples!


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: One story behind the age changes #general

Prof. Slifkin <slifkin@...>
 

There is no ban on first cousins marrying each other among
Orthodox Jews. Uncles can even marry nieces and although
it is illegal in many countries I know people who went
abroad to marry their nieces.


only thing that they had to be careful of was that the
bride and groom were not first cousins. Even this
became a problem, because people were driven
from "shtetel to shtetle" as the Czar or Cossacks went
on rampages (Pogroms), or anti-semitism became so
threatening, as in Poland, and especially Galicia, that
flight was imperative. Thus, family ties were lost, and
later it was found that indeed first cousins did marry,
albeit unknowingly. This may well explain some of the
genetic diseases common to Jews of Eastern
European "origin".

Professor M A Slifkin userid: slifkin@mail.jct.ac.il
Jerusalem Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Canadian Immigration Records #general

greystoke@...
 

The Canadian Archives website provides detailed information on how to
access immigration records, border crossings and passenger lists.  They
offer some level of researcher services.  There is also an online
database covering the years 1925-1935 - searchable by surname, given
name, ship,  port of arrival, year of arrival.  It can take a bit of
time and sometimes imagination on how names might have been spelled but
it works.
 
http://www.archives.ca/exec/naweb.dll?fs&;02020204&e&top&0
 
Best of luck
 
Lucy Walker
Toronto
greystoke@attcanada.ca
 
VOLKOVICH / ZAIDMAN  (Odessa)  BULBIER (Kishinev)  GOLD / SMILOVICI
(Iasi Roumania) SCOP (Pulin)
EJNECHOWICZ / CHENNOCOVICH / HENNICOVICH / WEINSTOCK  (Opatow, Poland)
GOTLIEB (Radom, Poland)
PLASHIEWSKI  (Charsznica, Poland) ELBAUM (Kielce, Poland)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Age changes #general

Cyndee Meystel <cmeys@...>
 

Sally's comments about 1st cousins, etc. marrying are very correct.

I once spoke on Jewish geneology to an Orthodox Jewish women's organization.
I asked the women present if anyone could name all 8 of her husband and her
great-grandparents. One woman (a member of a very prominent Chassidic
rabbinic family -- daughter of a famous Rebbe) tentatively raised her hand,
and said that she could name all of their great-grandparents, but between
her and her husband, they only had 5 (not 8)! -- because of so many relative
marriages!

Cyndee Meystel
Chicago, IL

--
NOTICE: The e-mail address is deliberately incorrect. Delete "nospam" from
the e-mail address to reply.
cmeys@nospamearthlink.net

In Jewish law, marriage between first cousins is very legal. It is even
legal for an uncle to marry a neice. First cousin marriages were
extremely common, and not because the families didn't know they were
related. The parents of first cousins are brothers and sisters! It had
nothing to do with losing touch and moving around. If you look at a
stable population, first cousin marriages are very common. Check out my
family tree for many examples!


Re: Dollar Wire Transfers to Belarus #belarus

Herbert Maletz <herbmal@...>
 

Thanks for your message. I have used Western Union and
it is perfect for some of my purposes, however I also have
a situation where funds must be sent to a bank which is the
basis for my message.

Herb Maletz, Staten Island


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Dollar Wire Transfers to Belarus #belarus

Herbert Maletz <herbmal@...>
 

Thanks for your message. I have used Western Union and
it is perfect for some of my purposes, however I also have
a situation where funds must be sent to a bank which is the
basis for my message.

Herb Maletz, Staten Island


Re: Dollar Wire Transfers to Belarus #belarus

roman.vilner@...
 

from what I know >from people who do transfer money back
to Belarus (or Ukraine for that matter) Western Union is
the best way. the charge does depend on the anount and
is around $15 minimum. It's structured as
1. flat fee for any transfer +
2. % of the transfer
so the more one sends the less percentage it is of the
total amount.

Hope it helps
Roman
Brooklyn, NY


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Dollar Wire Transfers to Belarus #belarus

roman.vilner@...
 

from what I know >from people who do transfer money back
to Belarus (or Ukraine for that matter) Western Union is
the best way. the charge does depend on the anount and
is around $15 minimum. It's structured as
1. flat fee for any transfer +
2. % of the transfer
so the more one sends the less percentage it is of the
total amount.

Hope it helps
Roman
Brooklyn, NY


town of Tulchin #general

zerakodesh@...
 

Hello
Does any one know where the birth , marriage and death records are for
the town of Tulchin in Vinnitza province for the 1850s. Are they available?
Thank you for any information you can provide.
Esther Feinstein Sackheim
ZeraKodesh@aol.com


Town Help! Steffensk, Romania #general

Shel Bercovich <sbercovich@...>
 

Hi all,

My gm's Canadian Naturalization Record and her Canadian Passport, both
issued some 37 years after her entry to Canada, state her town of
birth as "Steffensk, Romania". I'd always taken this to be the
Stefanesti, Romania located parallel with Dorohoi and on the
Romania/Moldava border, but the JGFF says that there was no
appreciable Jewish population in that town and won't accept my entry
of the name. My father was born in Dorohoi.

Can anyone suggest an alternative?

Shel

Searching: BERCOVICI, GOLDENBERG, MOSCOVICI - Dorohoi, Iasi &
Stefanesti, Romania
KLEBANOV (various spellings), LIPKIND - Minsk Gubernia; NYC
HECHTER (ECHTER), ZWANG - Tulchin, Botha, & Krivoye Ozero,
Ukraine; Israel


Orsanno, Austria? #general

Denise Azbill <famaz@...>
 

Hi Genners,

I recently found one of my ancestors on the Hamburg "link to your roots"
site. This person traveled in 1890 >from Hamburg to New York. The data
says his "state of residence" is Osterreich(Austria), and place of
residence says "Orsanno". I looked this up in shtetlseeker and on a
couple of map sites and could not find this town. Has anyone ever heard
of it, and what it is now?

Thank you very much!

Denise Azbill
Las Vegas, NV


London-Hoop Lane Cemetery #general

r.van wijngaarden <r.van.wijngaarden@...>
 

Good day to you all,

Family of mine was buried in the Hoop Lane Cemetery in London.

DELVALLE Hannah 27.11.1935 age 59
DELVALLE Isaac 19.4.1942 age 66
They left sons Hyman,Edward, Reginald & Claude

I would like to get in touch with possible living descendants.

Can you please give me any suggestions where I can find more information
about this Hoop Lane cemetery in London NW11

Thanks in advance

René F.van Wijngaarden
Netherlands
E-mail : r.van.wijngaarden@hccnet.nl
Familytree at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Creek/6534
Searching for: Del Valle/Delvalle/Van Daelen/Salom del Valle/


Re: The Yiddish work "roys" #general

Kirsten Gradel <kmgradel@...>
 

Does anyone know what "roys" in Yiddish might be. I just found out that
my family name ROSE was originally something like it.
Roys means Rose (a roys by any other name:-)

Kirsten Gradel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen town of Tulchin #general

zerakodesh@...
 

Hello
Does any one know where the birth , marriage and death records are for
the town of Tulchin in Vinnitza province for the 1850s. Are they available?
Thank you for any information you can provide.
Esther Feinstein Sackheim
ZeraKodesh@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Town Help! Steffensk, Romania #general

Shel Bercovich <sbercovich@...>
 

Hi all,

My gm's Canadian Naturalization Record and her Canadian Passport, both
issued some 37 years after her entry to Canada, state her town of
birth as "Steffensk, Romania". I'd always taken this to be the
Stefanesti, Romania located parallel with Dorohoi and on the
Romania/Moldava border, but the JGFF says that there was no
appreciable Jewish population in that town and won't accept my entry
of the name. My father was born in Dorohoi.

Can anyone suggest an alternative?

Shel

Searching: BERCOVICI, GOLDENBERG, MOSCOVICI - Dorohoi, Iasi &
Stefanesti, Romania
KLEBANOV (various spellings), LIPKIND - Minsk Gubernia; NYC
HECHTER (ECHTER), ZWANG - Tulchin, Botha, & Krivoye Ozero,
Ukraine; Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Orsanno, Austria? #general

Denise Azbill <famaz@...>
 

Hi Genners,

I recently found one of my ancestors on the Hamburg "link to your roots"
site. This person traveled in 1890 >from Hamburg to New York. The data
says his "state of residence" is Osterreich(Austria), and place of
residence says "Orsanno". I looked this up in shtetlseeker and on a
couple of map sites and could not find this town. Has anyone ever heard
of it, and what it is now?

Thank you very much!

Denise Azbill
Las Vegas, NV


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen London-Hoop Lane Cemetery #general

r.van wijngaarden <r.van.wijngaarden@...>
 

Good day to you all,

Family of mine was buried in the Hoop Lane Cemetery in London.

DELVALLE Hannah 27.11.1935 age 59
DELVALLE Isaac 19.4.1942 age 66
They left sons Hyman,Edward, Reginald & Claude

I would like to get in touch with possible living descendants.

Can you please give me any suggestions where I can find more information
about this Hoop Lane cemetery in London NW11

Thanks in advance

René F.van Wijngaarden
Netherlands
E-mail : r.van.wijngaarden@hccnet.nl
Familytree at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Creek/6534
Searching for: Del Valle/Delvalle/Van Daelen/Salom del Valle/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The Yiddish work "roys" #general

Kirsten Gradel <kmgradel@...>
 

Does anyone know what "roys" in Yiddish might be. I just found out that
my family name ROSE was originally something like it.
Roys means Rose (a roys by any other name:-)

Kirsten Gradel