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Re: Update re 1869 census #hungary

korman3 <korman3@...>
 

The FHL in Salt Lake emailed to me the catalog pages for the 1869 census
for the following counties:

Bars
Nitra
Esztergom
Komarom
Abuaj Torna
Zemplin

The collections are organized by Okres (districts) and then
alphabetically by Hungarian name of town, with Slovak town name in
parenthesis.

I will forward the email to anyone who is interested. Except perhaps for
the Zemplin films, which have been available for a while, these are
NEWLY added collections. Please do not ask about other counties, because
they have not yet become available.

Contact me privately.
Debbi


Re: Added note re 1869 censuses #hungary

korman3 <korman3@...>
 

Szepes county is also available.

Debbi


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Update re 1869 census #hungary

korman3 <korman3@...>
 

The FHL in Salt Lake emailed to me the catalog pages for the 1869 census
for the following counties:

Bars
Nitra
Esztergom
Komarom
Abuaj Torna
Zemplin

The collections are organized by Okres (districts) and then
alphabetically by Hungarian name of town, with Slovak town name in
parenthesis.

I will forward the email to anyone who is interested. Except perhaps for
the Zemplin films, which have been available for a while, these are
NEWLY added collections. Please do not ask about other counties, because
they have not yet become available.

Contact me privately.
Debbi


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Added note re 1869 censuses #hungary

korman3 <korman3@...>
 

Szepes county is also available.

Debbi


Re: 1828 tax census #hungary

Steinsteve@...
 

In a message dated 1/4/2001 1:11:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<<


As it is quite unusual that a son has the same first name as his father
unlike the Gentile
custom - junior ), it would be his grandfather, which was and still is
quite
customary.

Tsvi Sinai, Givatayim, Israel >>

I'm afraid this doesn't work either. If it was a living grandfather, in an
Ashkenazic family, the grandson would not have the same name.

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ


Susan King's message posted in incomplete version #hungary

Carol Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

Sorry, but Susan King's message was not posted in its entirety. I am
taking the liberty of forwarding this to the members of the H-SIG mailing
list but am only including the final paragraph and the letter to which
Susan referred which somehow became detached.
====================
Susan writes:

Below you will find a message that came into JewishGen's Yizkor
Book Project which verbalizes some of the meaning of the work
everyone is doing to preserve our history for future generations.
Perhaps, after the first reading it will give us all better
insight into why JewishGen is engaged in the projects we hold so
dear to our hearts. Knowledge of our history can indeed
bridge gaps towards better understanding and mutual respect...
and these qualities are indeed a precursor for PEACE! Please take a few
moments to read it, to feel it and to look beyond the words to perhaps a
new meaning and dimension to what we are all doing together in one of the
greatest grass roots effort ever!

from all of us at JewishGen, we wish you and your families a very
happy, healthy and prosperous New Year!

Susan

Susan E. King
President
JewishGen, Inc.

******************************************
Dateline: Plock, Poland - December 24, 2000
To: JewishGen Yizkor Book Project

I have just read your material and decided to write a few words
to you. I am a young Pole (29) and I have been interested in the
Yedwabne tragedy for a few weeks. The very first thing I came
across about Yedwabne was a huge article published by a Polish
daily newspaper "GAZETA" in November. It was a kind of public
response after publishing a book by Gratz (I haven't read it
yet). I have to admit that the Yedwabne tragedy really shocked
me. It is extremely painful for me for two reasons. The first one
is that I can't believe that such things had happened (though I
am not doubtful at all) and the second is that almost nothing is
being done to "reconcile" the two nations. All those murders
should have been punished many years ago. I totally support your
efforts towards revealing the truth about this mass murder. I
often ask myself why it is so hard to understand, accept and
respect, why it is far easier to hate, ignore and underestimate.
I am a young man and I am trying to be as far objective as I can.
I adore Isaac B. Singer literature and I find a lot about Jewish
customs, living and history through reading his books. Nobody has ever
forced me to do that. There are a lot of young people like me and of course
many others who could be described as
anti-semitic. Hate isn't born >from itself. It is born because of
certain thoughtless actions >from some narrow-minded Poles and
Jews. I think that the truth about Yedwabne must come to light
and that light should be seen by everyone. At the same time I
would really wish Jewish communities (especially in the US) made
efforts towards reconciliation and creation of new relationships
between Poles and Jews. Opening people's minds seems still
difficult. I am writing this on Christmas Eve - one of the
greatest holidays of Christianity and I think that it might shed
a ray of hope and light on our relationships. These are just a
few words that I wanted to say. They don't bring anything
important but ...... with respect, understanding and hope for
better future

M.J.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: 1828 tax census #hungary

Steinsteve@...
 

In a message dated 1/4/2001 1:11:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<<


As it is quite unusual that a son has the same first name as his father
unlike the Gentile
custom - junior ), it would be his grandfather, which was and still is
quite
customary.

Tsvi Sinai, Givatayim, Israel >>

I'm afraid this doesn't work either. If it was a living grandfather, in an
Ashkenazic family, the grandson would not have the same name.

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ


Hungary SIG #Hungary Susan King's message posted in incomplete version #hungary

Carol Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

Sorry, but Susan King's message was not posted in its entirety. I am
taking the liberty of forwarding this to the members of the H-SIG mailing
list but am only including the final paragraph and the letter to which
Susan referred which somehow became detached.
====================
Susan writes:

Below you will find a message that came into JewishGen's Yizkor
Book Project which verbalizes some of the meaning of the work
everyone is doing to preserve our history for future generations.
Perhaps, after the first reading it will give us all better
insight into why JewishGen is engaged in the projects we hold so
dear to our hearts. Knowledge of our history can indeed
bridge gaps towards better understanding and mutual respect...
and these qualities are indeed a precursor for PEACE! Please take a few
moments to read it, to feel it and to look beyond the words to perhaps a
new meaning and dimension to what we are all doing together in one of the
greatest grass roots effort ever!

from all of us at JewishGen, we wish you and your families a very
happy, healthy and prosperous New Year!

Susan

Susan E. King
President
JewishGen, Inc.

******************************************
Dateline: Plock, Poland - December 24, 2000
To: JewishGen Yizkor Book Project

I have just read your material and decided to write a few words
to you. I am a young Pole (29) and I have been interested in the
Yedwabne tragedy for a few weeks. The very first thing I came
across about Yedwabne was a huge article published by a Polish
daily newspaper "GAZETA" in November. It was a kind of public
response after publishing a book by Gratz (I haven't read it
yet). I have to admit that the Yedwabne tragedy really shocked
me. It is extremely painful for me for two reasons. The first one
is that I can't believe that such things had happened (though I
am not doubtful at all) and the second is that almost nothing is
being done to "reconcile" the two nations. All those murders
should have been punished many years ago. I totally support your
efforts towards revealing the truth about this mass murder. I
often ask myself why it is so hard to understand, accept and
respect, why it is far easier to hate, ignore and underestimate.
I am a young man and I am trying to be as far objective as I can.
I adore Isaac B. Singer literature and I find a lot about Jewish
customs, living and history through reading his books. Nobody has ever
forced me to do that. There are a lot of young people like me and of course
many others who could be described as
anti-semitic. Hate isn't born >from itself. It is born because of
certain thoughtless actions >from some narrow-minded Poles and
Jews. I think that the truth about Yedwabne must come to light
and that light should be seen by everyone. At the same time I
would really wish Jewish communities (especially in the US) made
efforts towards reconciliation and creation of new relationships
between Poles and Jews. Opening people's minds seems still
difficult. I am writing this on Christmas Eve - one of the
greatest holidays of Christianity and I think that it might shed
a ray of hope and light on our relationships. These are just a
few words that I wanted to say. They don't bring anything
important but ...... with respect, understanding and hope for
better future

M.J.


ShtetLinks is packing up and moving! #general

Chuck Weinstein <cweinstein@...>
 

For the past several years, JewishGen's ShtetLinks Project has grown by
both adding sites to our servers and by linking to sites off our servers
that had content, but did not necessarily adhere to our guidelines.
There have been a number of problems with dead links, address changes,
etc., which have made it difficult to keep on top of many of these
sites. We have tried to address these issues, but due to our own
growth, we can no longer take the time to fix problems with sites off
our server. At the same time, ShtetLinks is packing up and moving. We
have needed our own server for some time. The sheer size of our
files requires we do this at this point. Currently, ShtetLinks files
take up some 740 Mb. As we move the majority of our current off server
sites to JewishGen, we expect to grow to more than 3 Gb. As we migrate
the off server sites, they will go on our new server,
shtetlinks.jewishgen.org. We are also beginning the process of moving
all of our current sites to the new server.

Effective immediately, ShtetLinks will no longer link to new sites that
are not housed on JewishGen's servers. We are beginning a process to
offer everyone the opportunity to migrate their sites to our servers
with full ability to update and change sites as necessary. However, all
sites on our servers must comply with our simple guidelines, which may
be found at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/documentation/writing.htm>;.
Although no sites that are currently linked will be removed at this
time, we will have to begin that process at some point. There will be
plenty of notice on this, but I would like to advise anyone who reads
this that you need to contact <shtethelp@jewishgen.org> regarding moving
your site.

We are now able to offer FP 2000 Extensions support which will allow you
to upload your own files direct to the Server. We can offer Self
Authoring Access for Packages such as Netscape Composer, Home site, Hot
Dog Pro, etc. In some cases, especially for the larger sites, we can
offer FTP access. All files can also be updated by E-mail.

Information on these processes can be obtained by addressing your
request to <shtethelp@jewishgen.org>. Keep in mind that the choice of
any means of access to your site is based on the discretion of
ShtetLinks. Please do not hit your reply button to get this
information. We are happy to work with you in getting your site
migrated and we will not remove any sites that are in that process.

This change was not arrived at lightly. There have been ongoing
discussions between myself, our ShtetLinks webmaster extraordinaire,
John Berman, JewishGen's webmasters, and the top people at JewishGen.
All of us are convinced that the only way we can keep our system running
at its best. We are also aware that many of our linked sites are using
copyrighted material without permission. Our legal staff informs us
that our liability for that is unclear under US law, yet we have no
effective means of controlling the problem.

Every site housed on JewishGen is required to provide legal protections
that no copyrighted material is being used without permission and that
all material used with permission is properly credited. For
researchers, such documentation is vital anyway. Donor forms are
available for this purpose at the documentation page noted above.

For those of you whose sites are already on JewishGen, this change will
have no practical effect, other than to help insure that your site will
be available at all times, and that we will expect to have far fewer
outages. As ShtetLinks and JewishGen continue to grow, we will continue
to be the best place for information on searching out your roots
anywhere on the internet.

At the same time, we are already moving sites to our new servers. If
you are currently housed on JewishGen's server, your address will be
changing in the next few months. We are moving existing sites from
<www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks> to <www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org>. If
your site was <www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/lodz>, after you have moved
your site it will be <www.shtetlinks.Jewishgen.org/Lodz>.

Instructions for moving are at:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/moving.htm>;. Included on that page
is a template for a redirect page that will insure anyone who has
bookmarked your page will still be able to reach it after the change, as
well as giving them a reminder of your new address.

Thank you all for your cooperation. We will continue to work hard to
make the transition as easy as possible. We do appreciate your efforts
and hard, dedicated work.

Chuck Weinstein
JewishGen ShtetLinks Project Manager
cweinstein@jewishgen.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ShtetLinks is packing up and moving! #general

Chuck Weinstein <cweinstein@...>
 

For the past several years, JewishGen's ShtetLinks Project has grown by
both adding sites to our servers and by linking to sites off our servers
that had content, but did not necessarily adhere to our guidelines.
There have been a number of problems with dead links, address changes,
etc., which have made it difficult to keep on top of many of these
sites. We have tried to address these issues, but due to our own
growth, we can no longer take the time to fix problems with sites off
our server. At the same time, ShtetLinks is packing up and moving. We
have needed our own server for some time. The sheer size of our
files requires we do this at this point. Currently, ShtetLinks files
take up some 740 Mb. As we move the majority of our current off server
sites to JewishGen, we expect to grow to more than 3 Gb. As we migrate
the off server sites, they will go on our new server,
shtetlinks.jewishgen.org. We are also beginning the process of moving
all of our current sites to the new server.

Effective immediately, ShtetLinks will no longer link to new sites that
are not housed on JewishGen's servers. We are beginning a process to
offer everyone the opportunity to migrate their sites to our servers
with full ability to update and change sites as necessary. However, all
sites on our servers must comply with our simple guidelines, which may
be found at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/documentation/writing.htm>;.
Although no sites that are currently linked will be removed at this
time, we will have to begin that process at some point. There will be
plenty of notice on this, but I would like to advise anyone who reads
this that you need to contact <shtethelp@jewishgen.org> regarding moving
your site.

We are now able to offer FP 2000 Extensions support which will allow you
to upload your own files direct to the Server. We can offer Self
Authoring Access for Packages such as Netscape Composer, Home site, Hot
Dog Pro, etc. In some cases, especially for the larger sites, we can
offer FTP access. All files can also be updated by E-mail.

Information on these processes can be obtained by addressing your
request to <shtethelp@jewishgen.org>. Keep in mind that the choice of
any means of access to your site is based on the discretion of
ShtetLinks. Please do not hit your reply button to get this
information. We are happy to work with you in getting your site
migrated and we will not remove any sites that are in that process.

This change was not arrived at lightly. There have been ongoing
discussions between myself, our ShtetLinks webmaster extraordinaire,
John Berman, JewishGen's webmasters, and the top people at JewishGen.
All of us are convinced that the only way we can keep our system running
at its best. We are also aware that many of our linked sites are using
copyrighted material without permission. Our legal staff informs us
that our liability for that is unclear under US law, yet we have no
effective means of controlling the problem.

Every site housed on JewishGen is required to provide legal protections
that no copyrighted material is being used without permission and that
all material used with permission is properly credited. For
researchers, such documentation is vital anyway. Donor forms are
available for this purpose at the documentation page noted above.

For those of you whose sites are already on JewishGen, this change will
have no practical effect, other than to help insure that your site will
be available at all times, and that we will expect to have far fewer
outages. As ShtetLinks and JewishGen continue to grow, we will continue
to be the best place for information on searching out your roots
anywhere on the internet.

At the same time, we are already moving sites to our new servers. If
you are currently housed on JewishGen's server, your address will be
changing in the next few months. We are moving existing sites from
<www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks> to <www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org>. If
your site was <www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/lodz>, after you have moved
your site it will be <www.shtetlinks.Jewishgen.org/Lodz>.

Instructions for moving are at:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/moving.htm>;. Included on that page
is a template for a redirect page that will insure anyone who has
bookmarked your page will still be able to reach it after the change, as
well as giving them a reminder of your new address.

Thank you all for your cooperation. We will continue to work hard to
make the transition as easy as possible. We do appreciate your efforts
and hard, dedicated work.

Chuck Weinstein
JewishGen ShtetLinks Project Manager
cweinstein@jewishgen.org


JGS Washington State January Meeting #general

Roger Cibella & David Baron <baroncibella@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Washington State

Our next meeting will be held:
Monday, January 8th

Program Speaker: Olga Butler, of the Jewish Historical Society of
Washington State

She will speak about the collection of documents at the University of
Washington Jewish Archives. How to use the Archive's resources for
genealogical research.

AT: Stroum Jewish Community Center, Mercer Island
7 pm , 3801 East Mercer Way, Mercer Island  
206-232-7115

For more info: jgsws@hotmail.com or call 206-232-2666.

David Baron
http://www.jgsws.org


JGS meeting - Orange County (CA) #general

Dorothy Kohanski <dkohanski@...>
 

The JGS of Orange County (in sunny California ) ( VBG ) will meet
Sunday, January 14 at 2 PM, in the Education Classroom building, Room 55
of California State University at Fullerton. Our presenter will be Dr.
Rob Weisskirch, co-president of the JGS-OC, whose topic will be "Using
Computers and the Internet for Jewish Genealogy". Participants will be
able to use the fast computer connections in the university computer
lab. Computer help will be available, and no experience is necessary.
This is a great opportunity to discover what the Internet, and
especially JewishGen, can offer. For more information contact Rob at
<rweisskirch@fullerton.edu> .

Dorothy Kohanski, publicity
JGS-OC
Laguna Woods, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Washington State January Meeting #general

Roger Cibella & David Baron <baroncibella@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Washington State

Our next meeting will be held:
Monday, January 8th

Program Speaker: Olga Butler, of the Jewish Historical Society of
Washington State

She will speak about the collection of documents at the University of
Washington Jewish Archives. How to use the Archive's resources for
genealogical research.

AT: Stroum Jewish Community Center, Mercer Island
7 pm , 3801 East Mercer Way, Mercer Island  
206-232-7115

For more info: jgsws@hotmail.com or call 206-232-2666.

David Baron
http://www.jgsws.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS meeting - Orange County (CA) #general

Dorothy Kohanski <dkohanski@...>
 

The JGS of Orange County (in sunny California ) ( VBG ) will meet
Sunday, January 14 at 2 PM, in the Education Classroom building, Room 55
of California State University at Fullerton. Our presenter will be Dr.
Rob Weisskirch, co-president of the JGS-OC, whose topic will be "Using
Computers and the Internet for Jewish Genealogy". Participants will be
able to use the fast computer connections in the university computer
lab. Computer help will be available, and no experience is necessary.
This is a great opportunity to discover what the Internet, and
especially JewishGen, can offer. For more information contact Rob at
<rweisskirch@fullerton.edu> .

Dorothy Kohanski, publicity
JGS-OC
Laguna Woods, CA


Re: Berea Shul #southafrica

illona <ijhope@...>
 

Hi,

I was in Johannesburg about a year ago and when driving past Berea Shul I
noticed that the Shul was closing down and the property was being sold. I
felt quite sad as my parents, parents-in-law and my husband and I were all
married there, by Rabbi Aloy, plus my husband was barmitzvah'd there.

I can only presume that this, in fact, took place.

Illona Hope
Perth Australia

At 09:21 PM 1/3/01 +1100, you wrote:

Hi,

My late great grandfather, Louis Joel Markowitz was one of the founding
members of the Berea Shul in Johannesburg.

Does anyone have any information to share about this Shul? Any photos,
articles, information or anecdotes of it's early days and members?

Thank you,
Lisa Bortz
Sydney, Australia
bortzid@idx.com.au


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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Berea Shul #southafrica

illona <ijhope@...>
 

Hi,

I was in Johannesburg about a year ago and when driving past Berea Shul I
noticed that the Shul was closing down and the property was being sold. I
felt quite sad as my parents, parents-in-law and my husband and I were all
married there, by Rabbi Aloy, plus my husband was barmitzvah'd there.

I can only presume that this, in fact, took place.

Illona Hope
Perth Australia

At 09:21 PM 1/3/01 +1100, you wrote:

Hi,

My late great grandfather, Louis Joel Markowitz was one of the founding
members of the Berea Shul in Johannesburg.

Does anyone have any information to share about this Shul? Any photos,
articles, information or anecdotes of it's early days and members?

Thank you,
Lisa Bortz
Sydney, Australia
bortzid@idx.com.au


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Research in Ukraine--a report #ukraine

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

My recent messages regarding research in Ukraine have generated a lot
of interest (judging by responses I have received). Many people have
asked: "What did you learn?" In fact, I have gathered quite a bit of
information. If by chance you are interested in "my" surnames or "my"
towns in Ukraine, please let me know. I have prepared a very detailed
report that I would be glad to share with interested parties.

My surnames:
LISS/ LIS/
OBERMAN / GUBERMAN / HUBERMAN /
STEIN / SHTEIN / (brief research only)

My towns in Ukraine:
Zaslav (now Izyaslav)--Volyn?
Medvedovka--Volynia
Proskurov (now Khmelnitskiy)--Podolia
Mikolajow (now Nikolayev)--Podolia
Krasilov--Volyn? Podolia?
Mogilev Podolskiy--Podolia?

Please respond to me privately, at:

dkazez@mail.wittenberg.edu

Dan
Daniel Kazez <dkazez@mail.wittenberg.edu>
Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland: TALMAN, ENGLANDER, JURKIEWICZ, STRAUSBERG, KIFER, CZAPNIK
Ukraine: OBERMAN-HOBERMAN-GUBERMAN, LISS, SOBLE-SOBEL, STEIN, AXMAN
Turkey: KAZEZ-KAZES, FRESKO-FRESCO, ALHADEF-ELHADEF
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/fam/ent/fam.html


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Research in Ukraine--a report #ukraine

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

My recent messages regarding research in Ukraine have generated a lot
of interest (judging by responses I have received). Many people have
asked: "What did you learn?" In fact, I have gathered quite a bit of
information. If by chance you are interested in "my" surnames or "my"
towns in Ukraine, please let me know. I have prepared a very detailed
report that I would be glad to share with interested parties.

My surnames:
LISS/ LIS/
OBERMAN / GUBERMAN / HUBERMAN /
STEIN / SHTEIN / (brief research only)

My towns in Ukraine:
Zaslav (now Izyaslav)--Volyn?
Medvedovka--Volynia
Proskurov (now Khmelnitskiy)--Podolia
Mikolajow (now Nikolayev)--Podolia
Krasilov--Volyn? Podolia?
Mogilev Podolskiy--Podolia?

Please respond to me privately, at:

dkazez@mail.wittenberg.edu

Dan
Daniel Kazez <dkazez@mail.wittenberg.edu>
Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland: TALMAN, ENGLANDER, JURKIEWICZ, STRAUSBERG, KIFER, CZAPNIK
Ukraine: OBERMAN-HOBERMAN-GUBERMAN, LISS, SOBLE-SOBEL, STEIN, AXMAN
Turkey: KAZEZ-KAZES, FRESKO-FRESCO, ALHADEF-ELHADEF
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/fam/ent/fam.html


Pinsk yizkor book #yizkorbooks

Joyce Field <jfield@...>
 

This is a reply to Linda Sluchak, who inquired about a Pinsk yizkor
book. One book has been translated and will be online shortly. Keep
looking for it.

Joyce Field
Yizkor Book Project Manager


Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks Pinsk yizkor book #yizkorbooks

Joyce Field <jfield@...>
 

This is a reply to Linda Sluchak, who inquired about a Pinsk yizkor
book. One book has been translated and will be online shortly. Keep
looking for it.

Joyce Field
Yizkor Book Project Manager