Date   

FW: GATTIN - possible origin #general

Harry Schlanger <hps@...>
 

Thanks Michael,
I read the name >from a German birth certificate for Alfred SCHLANGER. It
states:

...des Herrn Leopold Schlanger und dessen Gattin Rifka, Ascher /:Alfred:/
Schlanger

If "Gattin" means spouse in German, it's obvious the remainder Rifka, Asher
must be the name. However, now I am not sure if Rifka or Asher is the
family name, or if both are first names. Any suggestions?

Harry Schlanger




MBernet@aol.com [mailto:MBernet@aol.com]wrote:

In a message dated 1/13/01 10:51:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
hps@elite.net.au writes:

<< Appreciate any leads on the Schlanger family:

Leopold SCHLANGER

b. Ujvidek, Hungry 1863 (Ujvidek renamed Novid Sad, Yugoslavia) d. Wein,
Austria 04/04/1919
married Rifka Ascher Gattin
Any leads on ancestors of Leopold, siblings would be welcome

Rifka Ascher GATTIN

Caution: The word Gattin is German for wife/spouse.

It is not impossible that someone somwhere mistook the word Gattin as a
woman's maiden name, and that it was subsequently handed down the
bureaucracy ladder.

In Romance languages (and both Romanian and Italian are Romance langueges)
Gattti, Gatto etc means "cat" and it could be a form for the common Jewish
(Kohanic) name KATZ. Certain areas of Yugoslavia (e.g. Trieste) were
Italian-speaking. I am not sure whether the Italian author A. Gatti, who
wrote "Ilia ed Alberto" (1931) was Jewish.

On the other hand GATTIN may be a variant of GOIETIN, the name of a famous
Hungarian family of rabbis, orientalists and experts on Arab and on French
literature and history.

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Re: Need help with profession @ names... #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

Yachet may be Yokheved originally although some say Yehudit. I had a friend
in Pittsburgh named Henrietta whose Jewish name was Yachet. Yetti is often
a nickname for Yenta.

Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

ldashman@bestweb.net [mailto:ldashman@bestweb.net] wrote:

<< The secular name of my grandmother's younger sister, born in Ulanow,
Poland (Galicia), was Chane Jachet. Her diminuitive name was Yetti, and
more formally (in the US) as Henrietta. >>

Lisa Dashman
ldashman@bestweb.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FW: GATTIN - possible origin #general

Harry Schlanger <hps@...>
 

Thanks Michael,
I read the name >from a German birth certificate for Alfred SCHLANGER. It
states:

...des Herrn Leopold Schlanger und dessen Gattin Rifka, Ascher /:Alfred:/
Schlanger

If "Gattin" means spouse in German, it's obvious the remainder Rifka, Asher
must be the name. However, now I am not sure if Rifka or Asher is the
family name, or if both are first names. Any suggestions?

Harry Schlanger




MBernet@aol.com [mailto:MBernet@aol.com]wrote:

In a message dated 1/13/01 10:51:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
hps@elite.net.au writes:

<< Appreciate any leads on the Schlanger family:

Leopold SCHLANGER

b. Ujvidek, Hungry 1863 (Ujvidek renamed Novid Sad, Yugoslavia) d. Wein,
Austria 04/04/1919
married Rifka Ascher Gattin
Any leads on ancestors of Leopold, siblings would be welcome

Rifka Ascher GATTIN

Caution: The word Gattin is German for wife/spouse.

It is not impossible that someone somwhere mistook the word Gattin as a
woman's maiden name, and that it was subsequently handed down the
bureaucracy ladder.

In Romance languages (and both Romanian and Italian are Romance langueges)
Gattti, Gatto etc means "cat" and it could be a form for the common Jewish
(Kohanic) name KATZ. Certain areas of Yugoslavia (e.g. Trieste) were
Italian-speaking. I am not sure whether the Italian author A. Gatti, who
wrote "Ilia ed Alberto" (1931) was Jewish.

On the other hand GATTIN may be a variant of GOIETIN, the name of a famous
Hungarian family of rabbis, orientalists and experts on Arab and on French
literature and history.

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Need help with profession @ names... #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

Yachet may be Yokheved originally although some say Yehudit. I had a friend
in Pittsburgh named Henrietta whose Jewish name was Yachet. Yetti is often
a nickname for Yenta.

Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

ldashman@bestweb.net [mailto:ldashman@bestweb.net] wrote:

<< The secular name of my grandmother's younger sister, born in Ulanow,
Poland (Galicia), was Chane Jachet. Her diminuitive name was Yetti, and
more formally (in the US) as Henrietta. >>

Lisa Dashman
ldashman@bestweb.net


Re: Jews in Eastern Galicia before the outbreak of WWII - review of stastistical data #galicia

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Peter,

Thank you kindly for your response. My comments are in the body of the text.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Jassem" <jassep@tdbank.ca>

Alexander Sharon wrote on the Statistical Data in Galicia on Jan. 8, 2001.
Here is my response.

Dear Alex, I admire your passion for research and for sharing your findings
with all of us. Your text is very informative and valuable. But since you
encourage us "to engage you into discussion concerning number of Jews in
Galicia before the outbreak of WWII" I will make few comments.

You wrote:
I would be surprised if data published by Polish statisticians for years
1921 and 1931 was not politically manipulated by the authorities. Poland has
acquired Eastern Galicia (and part of Vilna, Lithuania territory)
as the result of the military aggression against weaker neighbors. Poles
substituted for minorities in some of those territories.<

All scholarly works rely on these statistics. I have consulted a University
of Toronto professor specializing in Jewish studies and he confirmed that
the statistics could be trusted.
________________________________________
AS.
My interoperation of the available statistics is a bit different.
If statistics show that Jewish population of eg. Lwow Province has been
identified as 7% Jews by the nationality and 11.5% by Mosaic religion, I
begin to wonder. What means not identified term "nationality", since all
Jews were Polish citizens. Were 4.5% of the Jewish population allocated?
_____________________________________________________________________
PS
Also, I would not fully agree with the
statement that "Poland has acquired Eastern Galicia as the result of the
military aggression against weaker neighbors." I'd rather say that Poland
used military means to restore its legitimate multi-ethnic country
established as a voluntary union on July 1, 1569. Subsequently the country
was taken apart following thre partitions by Russia, Prussia and Austria in
1772, 1793 and 1795.
__________________________________________________
AS
This is a historical misconception. Unified new country was known as Union
of Two Nations or the Commonwealth of the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand
Duchy of Lithuania (Rzeczypospolita Obojga Narodow), and it was not just the
Catholic Poland.

Leaders of the Commonwealth refused to recognized political aspiration of
the emerging Third Nation - the Ukraine as an equal Partner. This
shortsightedness led to the bloody Chmielnicki revolt in 1648 (known as
Catastrophe in the Jewish history), the subsequent unification of the
Ukraine and Muscovy, and follow up division of the Commonwealth.
_____________________________________________________
PS
In the meantime the Ukrainian national consciousnes
had strenghtened and the 1918 efforts of Marshall Pilsudski to restore the
country were opposed by (perhaps most of) the ethnic Ukrainians. While you
may be right that "Poles substituted for minorities in some of those
territories" it has to be noted that in some other areas, notably the city
of Lwów and Lwów area, the Poles were in clear majority. Pilsudski had a
vision of multi-ethnic, large and strong Poland, which would withstand
aggressive tendencies of her neighbours. Unfortunately subsequent
goverments failed to implement fair ethnic policies or make the country a
leading military power.
_______________________________________________________________
AS
Poland was reestablished in 1918 following Versailles Treaty (Peace
Conference). Of the all beneficiaries of Versailles, Poland was the
greediest and the most bellicious. Poland emerged in 1921, after three years
of fighting, twice as big as had been expected at the Peace Conference.. She
attacked the Ukrainians, getting >from them eastern Gailcia and their capital
Lwow. She fought the Czechs for Teschen (Cieszyn) and failed to get it, one
reason that Poland had no sympathy with Czechs in 1938, though it was in her
long-term interest to side with Czech independence.

Poland made good "her' rights against Germans by force, in both the Baltic
and Silesia.

Poland invaded newly free Lithuania (the old Partner >from Commonwealth),
occupying Lithuanian capital Wilno and incorporating it after 'plebiscite'.

She waged a full scale war against Russia and persuaded Western powers to
ratify her new frontiers in 1923. In expanding by force Poland skillfully
played on Britain's fears of Bolshevism and France's desire to have a
powerful ally in the east.

At Versailles Poland was obliged to sign a special treaty guaranteeing
rights to her minorities (Jews, Ukrainians, Belarussian, Lithuanian and
Germans). But she did not keep even in the 20ies, still less in 30ies when
her minorities policy deteriorated under the military leadership.

With a third of her population treated as virtual aliens, she maintained an
enormous police force and army. Poland has established its own concentration
camp for the undesirables at Bereza Kartuska.
___________________________________________________________________________
PJ
You Wrote:
It is obvious that Jews that did not declare their mother tongue as
Hebrew/Yiddish were categorized as Poles by nationality. Population of Jews
in Eastern Galicia and subsequently in all prewar Poland in my opinion,
should be larger that quoted by sources as 10% of the total population of
Poland. This would also increase the number of Holocaust victims.<

I don't have the censuses at hand. I will have proper resources soon and
may comment further, but at this point I have two comments.
1. There were two censuses: 1921 and 1931. Each asked different questions.
One asked about religious and ethnic affiliation and the other about
religious affiliation and primary language or mother tongue. I am not sure
which was which but the language one resulted in 300,000 difference between
Yiddish/Hebrew speakers and Mosaic faith followers. It should be also noted
that practically nobody spoke Hebrew. The Hebrew numbers were inflated and
statements were ideologically motivated. But since the numbers were
combined with Yiddish it had no influence on final results.
______________________________________________________________
AS

You have said: "It should be also noted that practically nobody spoke
Hebrew"

Educational Zionist system in Poland secular in orientation, known as
"Tarbut" had 44, 550 (20 % of all Jewish pupils in Jewish schools in Poland)
students on kindergarden, elementary, secondary and vocational levels where
instructions language was exclusively in Hebrew.

Secular Hebrew schools were developed, examples are the Heder Metukkan
(improved kheyder) was informed by new pedagogical ideas: "Hebrew taught in
Hebrew" - this idea was fully incorporated in modern Israeli 'ulpans'
intended for the new immigrants.

Separate educational systes: Shulkul (Shul und kultur farband) Jewish
Secondary School Federation were established with the assistance of Labour
Zionist organization, and Hebrew alongside Yiddish were languages of
instruction, in addition to Polish.

In additional there were private Hebrew Gimnaziums and/or Liceum in nearly
all major Polish cities

(refer to Zineman 1938, Chmielewski 1937 and Maursberg 1968 sources).

My Dad spoke with his first wife, his brothers and all cousins in Hebrew,
they wrote letters in Hebrew. And they all have been educated in Hebrew
schools.

from the all Eastern Europe, Zionist movement was established first in
Galicia, and only later in the Pale Settlement and Congress Poland. All
Zionist parties: General Zionists, Mizrachi, Poale Zion (Labour) and
Jabotinsky's Revisionists had numerous followers who promoted Hebrew.
Kibbutzim were established in Poland preparing youth for the immigration to
Palestine. Members of Kvutzot communicated exclusively in Hebrew.

And how can you claim that Hebrew was not spoken in Poland?
____________________________________________

PJ
2. Again, I believe there is no reason to distrust the 10% count of Jews in
Poland.
You wrote:
1931 statistics display that in Galicia amount of Jews that declared their
mother tongue as Yiddish or Hebrew was smaller than in other Provinces.<

True, except you shouldn't have included Krakow City and Krakow Province in
the non-Galician column of statistics in this paragraph.
___________________________________________________________

AS

Please pay attention, that I have been dealing with the issue of the "Jews
in EASTERN Galicia...", please refer to the subject line above. Krakow was
shown separately for the comparison reasons only
__________________________________________________
I'll be happy to send more comments when I get to the proper resources in
several days.

Thanks,

Peter
_________________________________________________________________

Your additional comments will be appreciated.

Regards,

Alex
--
Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Jews in Eastern Galicia before the outbreak of WWII - review of stastistical data #galicia

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Peter,

Thank you kindly for your response. My comments are in the body of the text.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Jassem" <jassep@tdbank.ca>

Alexander Sharon wrote on the Statistical Data in Galicia on Jan. 8, 2001.
Here is my response.

Dear Alex, I admire your passion for research and for sharing your findings
with all of us. Your text is very informative and valuable. But since you
encourage us "to engage you into discussion concerning number of Jews in
Galicia before the outbreak of WWII" I will make few comments.

You wrote:
I would be surprised if data published by Polish statisticians for years
1921 and 1931 was not politically manipulated by the authorities. Poland has
acquired Eastern Galicia (and part of Vilna, Lithuania territory)
as the result of the military aggression against weaker neighbors. Poles
substituted for minorities in some of those territories.<

All scholarly works rely on these statistics. I have consulted a University
of Toronto professor specializing in Jewish studies and he confirmed that
the statistics could be trusted.
________________________________________
AS.
My interoperation of the available statistics is a bit different.
If statistics show that Jewish population of eg. Lwow Province has been
identified as 7% Jews by the nationality and 11.5% by Mosaic religion, I
begin to wonder. What means not identified term "nationality", since all
Jews were Polish citizens. Were 4.5% of the Jewish population allocated?
_____________________________________________________________________
PS
Also, I would not fully agree with the
statement that "Poland has acquired Eastern Galicia as the result of the
military aggression against weaker neighbors." I'd rather say that Poland
used military means to restore its legitimate multi-ethnic country
established as a voluntary union on July 1, 1569. Subsequently the country
was taken apart following thre partitions by Russia, Prussia and Austria in
1772, 1793 and 1795.
__________________________________________________
AS
This is a historical misconception. Unified new country was known as Union
of Two Nations or the Commonwealth of the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand
Duchy of Lithuania (Rzeczypospolita Obojga Narodow), and it was not just the
Catholic Poland.

Leaders of the Commonwealth refused to recognized political aspiration of
the emerging Third Nation - the Ukraine as an equal Partner. This
shortsightedness led to the bloody Chmielnicki revolt in 1648 (known as
Catastrophe in the Jewish history), the subsequent unification of the
Ukraine and Muscovy, and follow up division of the Commonwealth.
_____________________________________________________
PS
In the meantime the Ukrainian national consciousnes
had strenghtened and the 1918 efforts of Marshall Pilsudski to restore the
country were opposed by (perhaps most of) the ethnic Ukrainians. While you
may be right that "Poles substituted for minorities in some of those
territories" it has to be noted that in some other areas, notably the city
of Lwów and Lwów area, the Poles were in clear majority. Pilsudski had a
vision of multi-ethnic, large and strong Poland, which would withstand
aggressive tendencies of her neighbours. Unfortunately subsequent
goverments failed to implement fair ethnic policies or make the country a
leading military power.
_______________________________________________________________
AS
Poland was reestablished in 1918 following Versailles Treaty (Peace
Conference). Of the all beneficiaries of Versailles, Poland was the
greediest and the most bellicious. Poland emerged in 1921, after three years
of fighting, twice as big as had been expected at the Peace Conference.. She
attacked the Ukrainians, getting >from them eastern Gailcia and their capital
Lwow. She fought the Czechs for Teschen (Cieszyn) and failed to get it, one
reason that Poland had no sympathy with Czechs in 1938, though it was in her
long-term interest to side with Czech independence.

Poland made good "her' rights against Germans by force, in both the Baltic
and Silesia.

Poland invaded newly free Lithuania (the old Partner >from Commonwealth),
occupying Lithuanian capital Wilno and incorporating it after 'plebiscite'.

She waged a full scale war against Russia and persuaded Western powers to
ratify her new frontiers in 1923. In expanding by force Poland skillfully
played on Britain's fears of Bolshevism and France's desire to have a
powerful ally in the east.

At Versailles Poland was obliged to sign a special treaty guaranteeing
rights to her minorities (Jews, Ukrainians, Belarussian, Lithuanian and
Germans). But she did not keep even in the 20ies, still less in 30ies when
her minorities policy deteriorated under the military leadership.

With a third of her population treated as virtual aliens, she maintained an
enormous police force and army. Poland has established its own concentration
camp for the undesirables at Bereza Kartuska.
___________________________________________________________________________
PJ
You Wrote:
It is obvious that Jews that did not declare their mother tongue as
Hebrew/Yiddish were categorized as Poles by nationality. Population of Jews
in Eastern Galicia and subsequently in all prewar Poland in my opinion,
should be larger that quoted by sources as 10% of the total population of
Poland. This would also increase the number of Holocaust victims.<

I don't have the censuses at hand. I will have proper resources soon and
may comment further, but at this point I have two comments.
1. There were two censuses: 1921 and 1931. Each asked different questions.
One asked about religious and ethnic affiliation and the other about
religious affiliation and primary language or mother tongue. I am not sure
which was which but the language one resulted in 300,000 difference between
Yiddish/Hebrew speakers and Mosaic faith followers. It should be also noted
that practically nobody spoke Hebrew. The Hebrew numbers were inflated and
statements were ideologically motivated. But since the numbers were
combined with Yiddish it had no influence on final results.
______________________________________________________________
AS

You have said: "It should be also noted that practically nobody spoke
Hebrew"

Educational Zionist system in Poland secular in orientation, known as
"Tarbut" had 44, 550 (20 % of all Jewish pupils in Jewish schools in Poland)
students on kindergarden, elementary, secondary and vocational levels where
instructions language was exclusively in Hebrew.

Secular Hebrew schools were developed, examples are the Heder Metukkan
(improved kheyder) was informed by new pedagogical ideas: "Hebrew taught in
Hebrew" - this idea was fully incorporated in modern Israeli 'ulpans'
intended for the new immigrants.

Separate educational systes: Shulkul (Shul und kultur farband) Jewish
Secondary School Federation were established with the assistance of Labour
Zionist organization, and Hebrew alongside Yiddish were languages of
instruction, in addition to Polish.

In additional there were private Hebrew Gimnaziums and/or Liceum in nearly
all major Polish cities

(refer to Zineman 1938, Chmielewski 1937 and Maursberg 1968 sources).

My Dad spoke with his first wife, his brothers and all cousins in Hebrew,
they wrote letters in Hebrew. And they all have been educated in Hebrew
schools.

from the all Eastern Europe, Zionist movement was established first in
Galicia, and only later in the Pale Settlement and Congress Poland. All
Zionist parties: General Zionists, Mizrachi, Poale Zion (Labour) and
Jabotinsky's Revisionists had numerous followers who promoted Hebrew.
Kibbutzim were established in Poland preparing youth for the immigration to
Palestine. Members of Kvutzot communicated exclusively in Hebrew.

And how can you claim that Hebrew was not spoken in Poland?
____________________________________________

PJ
2. Again, I believe there is no reason to distrust the 10% count of Jews in
Poland.
You wrote:
1931 statistics display that in Galicia amount of Jews that declared their
mother tongue as Yiddish or Hebrew was smaller than in other Provinces.<

True, except you shouldn't have included Krakow City and Krakow Province in
the non-Galician column of statistics in this paragraph.
___________________________________________________________

AS

Please pay attention, that I have been dealing with the issue of the "Jews
in EASTERN Galicia...", please refer to the subject line above. Krakow was
shown separately for the comparison reasons only
__________________________________________________
I'll be happy to send more comments when I get to the proper resources in
several days.

Thanks,

Peter
_________________________________________________________________

Your additional comments will be appreciated.

Regards,

Alex
--
Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta


Istsia Enquiry #galicia

Fishbein Associates, Inc.
 

I am seeking information (and alternative spellings) for the town of =
Istsia in the Galicia region of Austria-Hungary. I would be grateful =
for any guidance on the location of the town and its Jewish population.

Rand Fishbein
Potomac, Maryland
fishnet@pipeline.com

Researching the name ZIMMERMAN and the MORDECHAI GERSTEIN FAMILY CIRCLE


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Istsia Enquiry #galicia

Fishbein Associates, Inc.
 

I am seeking information (and alternative spellings) for the town of =
Istsia in the Galicia region of Austria-Hungary. I would be grateful =
for any guidance on the location of the town and its Jewish population.

Rand Fishbein
Potomac, Maryland
fishnet@pipeline.com

Researching the name ZIMMERMAN and the MORDECHAI GERSTEIN FAMILY CIRCLE


PRZEMYSL 1926 #galicia

John Wald <john.walde@...>
 

Hi!
Do you recognize someone on the picture V M 283? It is a group of 15 in
Przemysl 1926.( go to www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ "To View" Section)
Contact me john.wald@chello.be

John Wald
Belgium


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia PRZEMYSL 1926 #galicia

John Wald <john.walde@...>
 

Hi!
Do you recognize someone on the picture V M 283? It is a group of 15 in
Przemysl 1926.( go to www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ "To View" Section)
Contact me john.wald@chello.be

John Wald
Belgium


Re: GOODMAN (GUTMAN) - Bielsk, Grodno #galicia

djrichter@...
 

My father's cousin, Helen Brenner, did marry A Joe Goodman and had
daughters Phillys and Natalie. Helen would have been born in NY or NJ in
the 1920's or 1930's.

We have lost touch and no way to contact them, so if anyone knows such a
family, please let me know.

I have no idea about that Joe Goodman's family.

Dave Richter
Bloomfield MI
researching RICHTER/BRENNER/FABER/WEISS in STANISLAWOW/Ivano-Frankivsk


---- you wrote:

Just received Social Security S-5 Form for my stepmother, Florence (nee
GOODMAN) GOLDBERG.

She lists her parents as Abrahm GOODMAN (possibly GUTMAN) and Bela BUSHWITZ
(could be BUSHMITZ).

Florence was born in Bielsk, Grodno, Poland between 1891 and 1900
(discrepancy on form between age listed and date of birth). Florence was my
father, Aaron FUHRER's, second wife.

We find four Bielsk's in the ShtetlSeeker, not sure which is the town where
Florence was born.

Anyone searching GOODMAN, BUSHWITZ (or similar)?

Norman Fuhrer - nfuhrer@iu.net
Titusville (Kennedy Space Ctr.) FL


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: GOODMAN (GUTMAN) - Bielsk, Grodno #galicia

djrichter@...
 

My father's cousin, Helen Brenner, did marry A Joe Goodman and had
daughters Phillys and Natalie. Helen would have been born in NY or NJ in
the 1920's or 1930's.

We have lost touch and no way to contact them, so if anyone knows such a
family, please let me know.

I have no idea about that Joe Goodman's family.

Dave Richter
Bloomfield MI
researching RICHTER/BRENNER/FABER/WEISS in STANISLAWOW/Ivano-Frankivsk


---- you wrote:

Just received Social Security S-5 Form for my stepmother, Florence (nee
GOODMAN) GOLDBERG.

She lists her parents as Abrahm GOODMAN (possibly GUTMAN) and Bela BUSHWITZ
(could be BUSHMITZ).

Florence was born in Bielsk, Grodno, Poland between 1891 and 1900
(discrepancy on form between age listed and date of birth). Florence was my
father, Aaron FUHRER's, second wife.

We find four Bielsk's in the ShtetlSeeker, not sure which is the town where
Florence was born.

Anyone searching GOODMAN, BUSHWITZ (or similar)?

Norman Fuhrer - nfuhrer@iu.net
Titusville (Kennedy Space Ctr.) FL


BIEN family #galicia

sbien <sbien@...>
 

My name is Steve Bien, live in Maine, and have hit a wall in my family
researches. My family comes >from Tarnopol on both sides, as follows. I am
the son of Robert and Jennie (Lewittes). Robert is the son of Jacob and
Fannie (Lesenfield). The bulk of the family settled in the NY City area. My
grandmother, Jennie Lewittes, was also >from Tarnopol.

There is also a related branch of the family which descended >from Pesach
Bien, who came >from Tarnopol and also settled in NY. I don't know how this
branch and that of my immediate ancestors are related and am trying to find
out if there is a common ancestor(s) in Galicia.

Steve,
Maine
[Steve, it is a good idea to capitalize SURNAMES so they are easier to pick
out of the text, e.g., Pesach BIEN - Moderator]


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia BIEN family #galicia

sbien <sbien@...>
 

My name is Steve Bien, live in Maine, and have hit a wall in my family
researches. My family comes >from Tarnopol on both sides, as follows. I am
the son of Robert and Jennie (Lewittes). Robert is the son of Jacob and
Fannie (Lesenfield). The bulk of the family settled in the NY City area. My
grandmother, Jennie Lewittes, was also >from Tarnopol.

There is also a related branch of the family which descended >from Pesach
Bien, who came >from Tarnopol and also settled in NY. I don't know how this
branch and that of my immediate ancestors are related and am trying to find
out if there is a common ancestor(s) in Galicia.

Steve,
Maine
[Steve, it is a good idea to capitalize SURNAMES so they are easier to pick
out of the text, e.g., Pesach BIEN - Moderator]


Connecticut JGS meeting Jan. 21st. #general

marciarthur <marciarthur@...>
 

The Connecticut Jewish Genealogy Society will meet on January 21, 2001 at
Temple Emanuel.
150 Derby Ave. in Orange CT.

Contact Marcia Meyers at:
marciarthur@msn.com
or Georgia Haken at:
gwhaken@yahoo.com
for information.

Marcia Indianer Meyers
marciarthur@msn.com
searching: INDIANER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Connecticut JGS meeting Jan. 21st. #general

marciarthur <marciarthur@...>
 

The Connecticut Jewish Genealogy Society will meet on January 21, 2001 at
Temple Emanuel.
150 Derby Ave. in Orange CT.

Contact Marcia Meyers at:
marciarthur@msn.com
or Georgia Haken at:
gwhaken@yahoo.com
for information.

Marcia Indianer Meyers
marciarthur@msn.com
searching: INDIANER


DENMARK - SCANDINAVIA #yizkorbooks

Elsebeth Paikin
 

TO "Yizkor Project"
Denmark SIG might be of interest to you if you have or have had
ancestors or relatives in Denmark.

It might also prove helpful because of the online passenger lists
for emigrants that passed through Denmark. At times the Danish
shipping lines were cheaper than others, and emigrants therefore
chose to go to or via Denmark. All who bought a ticket through
one of the Danish shipping lines agents are in the online searchable
databases of the Danish Emigration Archives:
http://www.emiarch.dk

The Immigration Museum has online searchable database for
1. naturalizations
2. issued work permits
3. persons expelled >from Denmark
the website can be found at:

http://www.immigrantmuseet.dk

Although the name is "Denmark SIG" it is endeavored to cover as far
as I can the other parts of Scandinavia, because the mobility was
very significant. So you might find someone born in Latvia, married
in Sweden, having children born in Norway and later on in Sweden or/
Denmark, living in Denmark and the father working in Sweden, etc.

There is also some information on the Northern part of Germany
(Schleswig-Holstein) because that it belonged to Denmark for a long time.
The first Danish Jews were invited to settled there in 1622!

Many of the members of Denmark SIG are experienced and knowledgeable
genealogists and historians, so if you are in need of help or want
some information, please subscribe to the Denmark SIG discussion
group and post your requests for help or information there.

You can join Denmark SIG - as all the other SIGs - by going to
JewishGen's webpage:

http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs.htm

and follow the instructions (be sure to check the box in front of the
SIG you want to subscribe to!!)

But do not write to me personally, regrettably I do not have the
time to help individual researchers, and I don't have time to send
a polite reply either. (I get about 5-10 a day sometimes!).
I haven't even had time for my own research for the past year!

Best wishes for a happy 2001
and for your research

-------------------------------------------------
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator & Webmaster of JewishGen Denmark SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/denmark
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk
---------------------------------------------------


Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks DENMARK - SCANDINAVIA #yizkorbooks

Elsebeth Paikin
 

TO "Yizkor Project"
Denmark SIG might be of interest to you if you have or have had
ancestors or relatives in Denmark.

It might also prove helpful because of the online passenger lists
for emigrants that passed through Denmark. At times the Danish
shipping lines were cheaper than others, and emigrants therefore
chose to go to or via Denmark. All who bought a ticket through
one of the Danish shipping lines agents are in the online searchable
databases of the Danish Emigration Archives:
http://www.emiarch.dk

The Immigration Museum has online searchable database for
1. naturalizations
2. issued work permits
3. persons expelled >from Denmark
the website can be found at:

http://www.immigrantmuseet.dk

Although the name is "Denmark SIG" it is endeavored to cover as far
as I can the other parts of Scandinavia, because the mobility was
very significant. So you might find someone born in Latvia, married
in Sweden, having children born in Norway and later on in Sweden or/
Denmark, living in Denmark and the father working in Sweden, etc.

There is also some information on the Northern part of Germany
(Schleswig-Holstein) because that it belonged to Denmark for a long time.
The first Danish Jews were invited to settled there in 1622!

Many of the members of Denmark SIG are experienced and knowledgeable
genealogists and historians, so if you are in need of help or want
some information, please subscribe to the Denmark SIG discussion
group and post your requests for help or information there.

You can join Denmark SIG - as all the other SIGs - by going to
JewishGen's webpage:

http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs.htm

and follow the instructions (be sure to check the box in front of the
SIG you want to subscribe to!!)

But do not write to me personally, regrettably I do not have the
time to help individual researchers, and I don't have time to send
a polite reply either. (I get about 5-10 a day sometimes!).
I haven't even had time for my own research for the past year!

Best wishes for a happy 2001
and for your research

-------------------------------------------------
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator & Webmaster of JewishGen Denmark SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/denmark
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk
---------------------------------------------------


RV: Searching for my father's family SCHORR MISCHEL #galicia

lilian schorr <lilianschorr@...>
 

Dear genners,


Have posted 4 photos of my father's family >from Galizia. Please see
http://www.jewishgen.org.viewmate/ in the "To View" section - as files
VM265/266/267/268.
The Galizia shtets/cities involved are Stanislawow, Stryy, and Lwow.
Also possibilities for VM 265 in Wien.
Please contact me at lilianschorr@infovia.com.ar

Lilian Schorr Landes
lilianschorr@infovia.com.ar


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RV: Searching for my father's family SCHORR MISCHEL #galicia

lilian schorr <lilianschorr@...>
 

Dear genners,


Have posted 4 photos of my father's family >from Galizia. Please see
http://www.jewishgen.org.viewmate/ in the "To View" section - as files
VM265/266/267/268.
The Galizia shtets/cities involved are Stanislawow, Stryy, and Lwow.
Also possibilities for VM 265 in Wien.
Please contact me at lilianschorr@infovia.com.ar

Lilian Schorr Landes
lilianschorr@infovia.com.ar