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question #dna

Ursulla Kulla <ursulla59@...>
 

Do you have any information about Myeloproliferative disorders? Questioning
Essential Thrombocythemia. I have been tested for this (as well as vWD1),
and have not done any DNA testing. Right now this is all I can take...BM Bx,
Phlebs, etc. My family background that we had written down is: (going
backwards) America, East Germany (Silesia), Old Hungary (Serbia now) &
Bulgaria,and Turkey. My maiden name is Kulla (Kula) and the family came >from
these towns. I have a heavy Jewish background on my fathers side and some
what on mothers. I have read that there is a group in Northern Israel that
might have ET. ?? Would appreciate any and all information. Technical
information is no problem to understand (in Medical profession). Thanks
Ursulla


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DNA Research #DNA question #dna

Ursulla Kulla <ursulla59@...>
 

Do you have any information about Myeloproliferative disorders? Questioning
Essential Thrombocythemia. I have been tested for this (as well as vWD1),
and have not done any DNA testing. Right now this is all I can take...BM Bx,
Phlebs, etc. My family background that we had written down is: (going
backwards) America, East Germany (Silesia), Old Hungary (Serbia now) &
Bulgaria,and Turkey. My maiden name is Kulla (Kula) and the family came >from
these towns. I have a heavy Jewish background on my fathers side and some
what on mothers. I have read that there is a group in Northern Israel that
might have ET. ?? Would appreciate any and all information. Technical
information is no problem to understand (in Medical profession). Thanks
Ursulla


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Bounced mail #latvia

Arlene Beare <arl@...>
 

I am sorry if you received a lot of lyris bounced mail. I tried to avoid
rejecting a multipart mime message by editing it but it failed. I must
therefore ask you all once again to see that your E-mail is sent in Plain
Text or it will be rejected. If you do not know how to do it please ask
your ISP. Eudora always asks if you want it in Plain text if it is sent in
any other format but other Programmes such as Outlook Express need to be
set to Plaintext in the options.

Mark Heckman sent the following advice in a previous message:

Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express: when you compose a message select
"Format -> Plain Text."

Yahoo mail: check the "plain text" box beneath the message.

Netscape: first select "Edit -> Preferences -> Mail & Newsgroups ->
Formatting," then set to "Use the plain text editor" and to "Convert
the message into plain text." You must also select "Edit ->
Preferences -> Mail & Newsgroups -> Messages" and under where it says
"Send messages that use 8-bit characters," check the box next to "As
is."

For other email programs, if the program was supplied by your Internet
Service Provider, they will be able to tell you how to configure your
email program. Similarly, for free email services like Hotmail or
Juno, their tech support people can tell you what to do.


Latvia SIG #Latvia Bounced mail #latvia

Arlene Beare <arl@...>
 

I am sorry if you received a lot of lyris bounced mail. I tried to avoid
rejecting a multipart mime message by editing it but it failed. I must
therefore ask you all once again to see that your E-mail is sent in Plain
Text or it will be rejected. If you do not know how to do it please ask
your ISP. Eudora always asks if you want it in Plain text if it is sent in
any other format but other Programmes such as Outlook Express need to be
set to Plaintext in the options.

Mark Heckman sent the following advice in a previous message:

Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express: when you compose a message select
"Format -> Plain Text."

Yahoo mail: check the "plain text" box beneath the message.

Netscape: first select "Edit -> Preferences -> Mail & Newsgroups ->
Formatting," then set to "Use the plain text editor" and to "Convert
the message into plain text." You must also select "Edit ->
Preferences -> Mail & Newsgroups -> Messages" and under where it says
"Send messages that use 8-bit characters," check the box next to "As
is."

For other email programs, if the program was supplied by your Internet
Service Provider, they will be able to tell you how to configure your
email program. Similarly, for free email services like Hotmail or
Juno, their tech support people can tell you what to do.


Re: My mtDNA revealed a Bulgarian/Turk/Karelian origin #dna

Andy Carvin <acarvin@...>
 

My mtDNA revealed a Bulgarian/Turk/Karelian origin. Would
this mean that
Levantine Jewish men married women of Anatolia,Bulgaria
(Thrace) or Karelia,
a small country in and near Finland in medieval times? Anyone
else have this
mtDNA in Ashkenazim origin?
It may not be as simple as that. mtDNA mutates over a very slow period of
time - tens of thousands of years - so it's difficult to predict exactly
when your common ancestor existed (especially compared with y chromosome
estimates, which can predict ancestors in the last 1000 years). Also, it's
hard to say whether your ancestor was solely of those origins, in the sense
that both modern-day Turks and Bulgarians have a mix of ethnic backgrounds.
The Ottoman empire was a melting pot of Turkic, Slavic, Balkan, Caucasian
and middle eastern peoples (if you've ever traveled around Turkey you'll
come across every imaginable hair color, eye color, etc), so it's also
possible that the Bulgarians and Turks with your similar mtdna simply had
ancestors who were Jewish, or Slavic, or Turkic, etc. The Ottoman empire was
also a refuge for Spanish Jews, and many Jews became muslims in order to
participate in high levels of the Ottoman civil service. (a very modern
meritocracy for its time).

So it's easy to read too much into the mtDNA results at this point in time.
For example, as I mentioned on the list earlier, my mtDNA had commonalities
with 5 Nubian test subjects, as well as a handful of Levantine/eastern
mediterranean peoples. This could mean that one of my Israelite ancestors
had a child with a Nubian woman, but it could also mean that some of the
original Israelite population had origins in Nubia thousands of years before
they became Jews. (Semitic languages are believed by many to be northeast
African in origin, then migrating into the Levant, rather than vice versa.)
The data in the Macaulay study said that my mutation was anywhere from
18,000 to about 40,000 years old - well before there was any codified notion
of what it meant to be Jewish, an Israelite, etc.

ac
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Benton Foundation
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http://www.DigitalDivideNetwork.org
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http://edweb.gsn.org/anatolia
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-----Original Message-----
From: Annee Ani [mailto:annee_ani@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:12 AM
To: DNA Testing, Ask the Experts
Subject: My mtDNA revealed a Bulgarian/Turk/Karelian origin


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DNA Research #DNA RE: My mtDNA revealed a Bulgarian/Turk/Karelian origin #dna

Andy Carvin <acarvin@...>
 

My mtDNA revealed a Bulgarian/Turk/Karelian origin. Would
this mean that
Levantine Jewish men married women of Anatolia,Bulgaria
(Thrace) or Karelia,
a small country in and near Finland in medieval times? Anyone
else have this
mtDNA in Ashkenazim origin?
It may not be as simple as that. mtDNA mutates over a very slow period of
time - tens of thousands of years - so it's difficult to predict exactly
when your common ancestor existed (especially compared with y chromosome
estimates, which can predict ancestors in the last 1000 years). Also, it's
hard to say whether your ancestor was solely of those origins, in the sense
that both modern-day Turks and Bulgarians have a mix of ethnic backgrounds.
The Ottoman empire was a melting pot of Turkic, Slavic, Balkan, Caucasian
and middle eastern peoples (if you've ever traveled around Turkey you'll
come across every imaginable hair color, eye color, etc), so it's also
possible that the Bulgarians and Turks with your similar mtdna simply had
ancestors who were Jewish, or Slavic, or Turkic, etc. The Ottoman empire was
also a refuge for Spanish Jews, and many Jews became muslims in order to
participate in high levels of the Ottoman civil service. (a very modern
meritocracy for its time).

So it's easy to read too much into the mtDNA results at this point in time.
For example, as I mentioned on the list earlier, my mtDNA had commonalities
with 5 Nubian test subjects, as well as a handful of Levantine/eastern
mediterranean peoples. This could mean that one of my Israelite ancestors
had a child with a Nubian woman, but it could also mean that some of the
original Israelite population had origins in Nubia thousands of years before
they became Jews. (Semitic languages are believed by many to be northeast
African in origin, then migrating into the Levant, rather than vice versa.)
The data in the Macaulay study said that my mutation was anywhere from
18,000 to about 40,000 years old - well before there was any codified notion
of what it meant to be Jewish, an Israelite, etc.

ac
*****************************************
Andy Carvin andy@benton.org
Senior Associate
Benton Foundation
http://edweb.gsn.org/andy
http://www.DigitalDivideNetwork.org
*****************************************
Visit my new website, Anatolian Fortnight
http://edweb.gsn.org/anatolia
*****************************************

-----Original Message-----
From: Annee Ani [mailto:annee_ani@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:12 AM
To: DNA Testing, Ask the Experts
Subject: My mtDNA revealed a Bulgarian/Turk/Karelian origin


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Gordon #latvia

Yoni Shapiro <torahgen@...>
 

I am searching the Gordon family >from Lithuania. Some
names are chaim pertz,chaya tzvia,masha rivka...

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Latvia SIG #Latvia Gordon #latvia

Yoni Shapiro <torahgen@...>
 

I am searching the Gordon family >from Lithuania. Some
names are chaim pertz,chaya tzvia,masha rivka...

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Re: Tribute to Constance Whippman #latvia

Leslie Ann Leven <leslie@...>
 

Beautifully said. But then you too deserve kudos.
I am inspired by both of you.

Leslie

Arlene Beare wrote:

Members of Latvia SIG and Courland Research Group that belong to Latvia SIG
will have received the latest Latvia SIG newsletter so well edited by our
excellent newsletter editor Leslie Leven.
There has been a lot of space devoted to the detailing of acquisitions of
data and the state of processing of the data. It will be obvious to any
reader that we owe an inestimable debt of gratitude to Constance for all
she has done and continues to do on our behalf.
Constance is a busy Barrister (lawyer) in London and yet has found the time
and energy to organise all the data that both Groups have acquired. She has
also had to find time to write for the newsletter and to write the
Introductions and descriptions of the data that go into the All Latvia
Database.
She has an almost uncanny knack of spotting important material and knowing
how to extract the information that will be of most use to all of us.
I personally am very grateful to her and wanted to publicly acknowledge her
wonderful contribution.
Arlene Beare
President Latvia SIG


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Tribute to Constance Whippman #latvia

Leslie Ann Leven <leslie@...>
 

Beautifully said. But then you too deserve kudos.
I am inspired by both of you.

Leslie

Arlene Beare wrote:

Members of Latvia SIG and Courland Research Group that belong to Latvia SIG
will have received the latest Latvia SIG newsletter so well edited by our
excellent newsletter editor Leslie Leven.
There has been a lot of space devoted to the detailing of acquisitions of
data and the state of processing of the data. It will be obvious to any
reader that we owe an inestimable debt of gratitude to Constance for all
she has done and continues to do on our behalf.
Constance is a busy Barrister (lawyer) in London and yet has found the time
and energy to organise all the data that both Groups have acquired. She has
also had to find time to write for the newsletter and to write the
Introductions and descriptions of the data that go into the All Latvia
Database.
She has an almost uncanny knack of spotting important material and knowing
how to extract the information that will be of most use to all of us.
I personally am very grateful to her and wanted to publicly acknowledge her
wonderful contribution.
Arlene Beare
President Latvia SIG


Goodness! #latvia

CWhippman@...
 

Just a quick and embarrassed note to thank Arlene for her generous and kind
remarks. Believe me, the real fact is that it is the volunteers who not
only
make it all happen but also make it fun. I also wanted to say a big thank
you to all who have come forward to volunteer in the last two weeks
especially. I will be writing to you all personally over the next 48 hours.
One of the things that is in the pipeline is a proper volunteer page with
dedications and credits all collected together so that credit can be given to
each and every person who has been so generous with time, skills and money.
The main thing is that I think you will all really enjoy the latest
Latvia SIG newsletter. Lesley Leven has made it look terrific and it is
packed with information and updates. Pooling information and data really
has begun to bear fruit. Although we all communicate in cyberspace there is
something special about seeing things in print, being able to sit over a cup
of coffee reading through all the various contributions and then pull it out
of a handbag to read on the train.
Yes the new databases are coming. Watch this space over the next week or
two for announcements. Not only are there Dvinsk lists but also lists >from
Mitau, Tukums, The Kurland Young Men's Mutual Aid and the Extraordinary
Commission records. Everyone of these projects is a group effort and I don't
think there is a day that goes by without my feeling the force and
inspiration of the collective effort. Now back to work.
Best regards to all Constance


Latvia SIG #Latvia Goodness! #latvia

CWhippman@...
 

Just a quick and embarrassed note to thank Arlene for her generous and kind
remarks. Believe me, the real fact is that it is the volunteers who not
only
make it all happen but also make it fun. I also wanted to say a big thank
you to all who have come forward to volunteer in the last two weeks
especially. I will be writing to you all personally over the next 48 hours.
One of the things that is in the pipeline is a proper volunteer page with
dedications and credits all collected together so that credit can be given to
each and every person who has been so generous with time, skills and money.
The main thing is that I think you will all really enjoy the latest
Latvia SIG newsletter. Lesley Leven has made it look terrific and it is
packed with information and updates. Pooling information and data really
has begun to bear fruit. Although we all communicate in cyberspace there is
something special about seeing things in print, being able to sit over a cup
of coffee reading through all the various contributions and then pull it out
of a handbag to read on the train.
Yes the new databases are coming. Watch this space over the next week or
two for announcements. Not only are there Dvinsk lists but also lists >from
Mitau, Tukums, The Kurland Young Men's Mutual Aid and the Extraordinary
Commission records. Everyone of these projects is a group effort and I don't
think there is a day that goes by without my feeling the force and
inspiration of the collective effort. Now back to work.
Best regards to all Constance


Belarus Archives Search #belarus

JSimpson@...
 

Well, today I received a reply >from the National Historical Archives
of Belarus in Grodno, headed by Katarina Batrakova. I had written about
a month ago, inquiring about research into 19th century records that
might have something about my great great grandfather M. Rosenfeld,
born in Brest Litovsk in 1858.

My response >from them is in the Belorussian language. So I am wondering
if there is someone out there who could translate about a quarter of a
page of text of a letter, if I were to scan it and send it along.

Another question:
I suspect that the letter is saying that I need to deposit 80 bucks
into a bank to get the research started, and then agree to pay
whatever charges get racked up as the research is conducted, because
I recently read somewhere that this is how they do things, and I think
I detect an 80 in the text of the letter. Now, I was told by Miriam
Weiner, who conducts research in Belarus, that it is well nigh
impossible to get access to these records. So I am wondering if I send
the money, will I be out of 80 good ole' american green backs?

Has anybody tried this deal?
I just wanted to check before I sent them any money.


Thanks,

Joseph Simpson
Glens Falls, NY USA
Researching Rosenfeld, Rozenfeld in Brest


Belarus SIG #Belarus Belarus Archives Search #belarus

JSimpson@...
 

Well, today I received a reply >from the National Historical Archives
of Belarus in Grodno, headed by Katarina Batrakova. I had written about
a month ago, inquiring about research into 19th century records that
might have something about my great great grandfather M. Rosenfeld,
born in Brest Litovsk in 1858.

My response >from them is in the Belorussian language. So I am wondering
if there is someone out there who could translate about a quarter of a
page of text of a letter, if I were to scan it and send it along.

Another question:
I suspect that the letter is saying that I need to deposit 80 bucks
into a bank to get the research started, and then agree to pay
whatever charges get racked up as the research is conducted, because
I recently read somewhere that this is how they do things, and I think
I detect an 80 in the text of the letter. Now, I was told by Miriam
Weiner, who conducts research in Belarus, that it is well nigh
impossible to get access to these records. So I am wondering if I send
the money, will I be out of 80 good ole' american green backs?

Has anybody tried this deal?
I just wanted to check before I sent them any money.


Thanks,

Joseph Simpson
Glens Falls, NY USA
Researching Rosenfeld, Rozenfeld in Brest


Searching for the Name Seid #belarus

Annette Young
 

Dear Belarus Siggers,

Have any of you come across the Surname Seid? Our family lore said
Paternal family originally came >from White Russia and name was Seid.
My G great grandfather Moses [Morris] Cohen was found in Manchester
England around 1878. The story goes, when family emigrated to England
and gave their name it was misunderstood and they were asked if their
name was Cohen. Morris Cohen married Hanna Sara [Annie] Goldberg >from
Poland. Their oldest daughter Rachael b. 1867 was listed as born in
Poland, Joseph b. 1869 B.Russia, Abraham Wolfe [my Grandfather] born
in Berlin 1877 and Ester born in Manchester, Eng. 1879. I keep finding
the name Zayats in Lachiwicze and Novogruduk with same given names.
Have been unable to find Berlin Birth records for 1877 and or ship
records for those going to UK. Is there someone who might have had same problem.

Annette Young, Westminster,CA

Researching:
SEID -COHEN, Belarus, Berlin,Germany, Manchester England
GOLDBERG, BLUMENSTEIN Piotrkow,Poland and England
MARGOLIUS,GOMELSHEYN,OLSHVANG, ZALMAN-Lithuania, Latvia, Scotland, Canada


Belarus SIG #Belarus Searching for the Name Seid #belarus

Annette Young
 

Dear Belarus Siggers,

Have any of you come across the Surname Seid? Our family lore said
Paternal family originally came >from White Russia and name was Seid.
My G great grandfather Moses [Morris] Cohen was found in Manchester
England around 1878. The story goes, when family emigrated to England
and gave their name it was misunderstood and they were asked if their
name was Cohen. Morris Cohen married Hanna Sara [Annie] Goldberg >from
Poland. Their oldest daughter Rachael b. 1867 was listed as born in
Poland, Joseph b. 1869 B.Russia, Abraham Wolfe [my Grandfather] born
in Berlin 1877 and Ester born in Manchester, Eng. 1879. I keep finding
the name Zayats in Lachiwicze and Novogruduk with same given names.
Have been unable to find Berlin Birth records for 1877 and or ship
records for those going to UK. Is there someone who might have had same problem.

Annette Young, Westminster,CA

Researching:
SEID -COHEN, Belarus, Berlin,Germany, Manchester England
GOLDBERG, BLUMENSTEIN Piotrkow,Poland and England
MARGOLIUS,GOMELSHEYN,OLSHVANG, ZALMAN-Lithuania, Latvia, Scotland, Canada


ZALMINOVICH/FREYERMAN #belarus

renee1056@...
 

I am trying to find out what the town of POPOVA GORA, S in the Uyzed
Gubernia SURAZH CHEMIGOV is now located. I have a listing >from the Vsia
Rossiia database for 1895 with the family name of ZALMINOVICH. This was
my grandmothers maiden name. I know that her parents owned a grocery
store in Mogliva Gaberniia, which is really true because I found them in
the Vsia Rossiia listed for 1911. My grandmother came to the USA NY, I
don't know what port she landed at, I always thought it was Elis Island,
in 1906 with my uncle who was 2 years old. My grandfather FREYERMAN
according to the passport was already here. If any one can tell me were
this is located I would appreciate it. Also trying to locate ship
manifests for that year any help would be appreciated.

Thanks fellow researchers
Renee Marcus


Belarus SIG #Belarus ZALMINOVICH/FREYERMAN #belarus

renee1056@...
 

I am trying to find out what the town of POPOVA GORA, S in the Uyzed
Gubernia SURAZH CHEMIGOV is now located. I have a listing >from the Vsia
Rossiia database for 1895 with the family name of ZALMINOVICH. This was
my grandmothers maiden name. I know that her parents owned a grocery
store in Mogliva Gaberniia, which is really true because I found them in
the Vsia Rossiia listed for 1911. My grandmother came to the USA NY, I
don't know what port she landed at, I always thought it was Elis Island,
in 1906 with my uncle who was 2 years old. My grandfather FREYERMAN
according to the passport was already here. If any one can tell me were
this is located I would appreciate it. Also trying to locate ship
manifests for that year any help would be appreciated.

Thanks fellow researchers
Renee Marcus


The trek from Belarus to Western Ports #belarus

JSimpson@...
 

Hello All,

The story in my family is that my g-g-grandfather, as a teenager,
with his little 8 year old sister left Brest Litovsk in the dead
of winter, someone in Poland sledd-ed them across Poland, and then
they had to get through Germany (eventually arriving in Liverpool,
UK). One story which intrigues me is that he and his sister had to
hide in some woods in Germany >from the "enemy" (the enemy spoke
German so I guess they were German troops) and this was around the
early 1870's. Now, while they were in the woods, the little sister
got sick and died, and Mattas, my g-g-grandfather had to bury her
there in the woods.

Does anyone have any similar stories handed down to them that would
be of interest to me? And, for those with experience in German records
and such I have a question: I assume Mattas buried his little sister
in snow, as the ground would've been rock solid and covered in snow,
so that when the spring thaw came the body of the little girl would've
been exposed. Now, I would think there is a good chance the girl
would've been found. I know in WWII days a dead Jewish girl found in
German woods wouldn't have been news as Jews were being hunted down
in woods all over Europe, but I figure in 1800's it may have been a
news item. So I wonder if there would be a police report on file in
German records >from this time and place in Germany of a dead girl
being found. Does anybody know where in Germany old police records
would be kept, or who I could contact? I know it is a long shot, but
that is what makes it fun.

Joe Simpson
Glens Falls, NY
Searching for Rosenfelds in Brest LItovsk


Re: Zvi Gitelman #belarus

Plutsk@...
 

Author Zvi Gitelman is Director of Academic Programs in the Judaic
Studies Program at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. He is
also holds the titles of Professor in the Political Science Department
and of Research Scientist, Center for Russian & East European Studies.

Steve Gold
Detroit area