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YABLIK, APPLE, SCHMULENSON #general

zerakodesh@...
 

Hello
I am looking for any one who might have information on YABLIK family
from Tulchin in Vinnitza province. Some of the people use the name APPLE
which is the English translation.
I am also looking for SCHMULENSON >from that same town or nearby areas.
Thank you for any information you can give me.
Have a wonderful New Year.
Sholom
Esther Feinstein Sackheim
ZeraKodesh@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen YABLIK, APPLE, SCHMULENSON #general

zerakodesh@...
 

Hello
I am looking for any one who might have information on YABLIK family
from Tulchin in Vinnitza province. Some of the people use the name APPLE
which is the English translation.
I am also looking for SCHMULENSON >from that same town or nearby areas.
Thank you for any information you can give me.
Have a wonderful New Year.
Sholom
Esther Feinstein Sackheim
ZeraKodesh@aol.com


Griby - Gribai conundrum #general

Flexer/Harrison <stephen.harrison@...>
 

Hi everyone,

I read the references to the above names with interest, in particular the
most recent correspondence viz. "....Spelling "Griby" or "Gribai" as
imaginatively as I am able, did not turn up any likely entries in my usual
gazetteer sources, nor in the Schoenberg's book on Lithuanian Jewish
communities, but I am confident Jewishgenners of Lithanian (sic.) origin
will help..."

Would it be possible that the community might be GRIVA, in Kourland
province, just 6 miles S of Dvinsk (Daugavpils) in Latvia, just north of
the Lithuanian border? I know that a Jewish community existed there - my
paternal grandfather's family (FLEXER-YUDIN) left in 1905.

Riva Flexer
researching FLEXER,Griva, Vienna, Paris; VENDER, Beltz; YUDIN,
Griva;BONCHIK/BONN, Kishinev;TAYLOR, Kishinev; RITT, Leeds, Kharkov;
PADWELL, Leeds; RAYNER, Leeds, Portland OR.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Griby - Gribai conundrum #general

Flexer/Harrison <stephen.harrison@...>
 

Hi everyone,

I read the references to the above names with interest, in particular the
most recent correspondence viz. "....Spelling "Griby" or "Gribai" as
imaginatively as I am able, did not turn up any likely entries in my usual
gazetteer sources, nor in the Schoenberg's book on Lithuanian Jewish
communities, but I am confident Jewishgenners of Lithanian (sic.) origin
will help..."

Would it be possible that the community might be GRIVA, in Kourland
province, just 6 miles S of Dvinsk (Daugavpils) in Latvia, just north of
the Lithuanian border? I know that a Jewish community existed there - my
paternal grandfather's family (FLEXER-YUDIN) left in 1905.

Riva Flexer
researching FLEXER,Griva, Vienna, Paris; VENDER, Beltz; YUDIN,
Griva;BONCHIK/BONN, Kishinev;TAYLOR, Kishinev; RITT, Leeds, Kharkov;
PADWELL, Leeds; RAYNER, Leeds, Portland OR.


19th Century Tilsit Vital Records #general

Anna Olswanger <olswanger@...>
 

If anyone is researching 19th-century Tilsit Vital Records, please
contact me privately. Thank you.

Anna Olswanger
anna@olswanger.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 19th Century Tilsit Vital Records #general

Anna Olswanger <olswanger@...>
 

If anyone is researching 19th-century Tilsit Vital Records, please
contact me privately. Thank you.

Anna Olswanger
anna@olswanger.com


(early 19th century): GUTENSTEIN and GOLDSCHMIDT of Bad Homburg #general

MBernet@...
 

I know there were many old GOLDSCHMIDT families in Frankfurt. Does anyone
know of a GOLDSCHMIDT family connection with Bad Homburg, a suburb only a
few miles to the north of Frankfurt.

My gggf Loeb/Baer GOLDSCHMIDT (b. ca 1800), was a parnas (president) of
the community, a "Hofagent" (contractor) to the Duke of Hesse Homburg and a
son-in-law of Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (b. ca 1770), who was, apparently,
extremely wealthy and influential and was also a parnas and a Hofagent
(three of GUTENSTEIN's children married three Goldschmidt siblings).

Does anyone have any information on these GUTENSTEINs and
GOLDSCHMIDTs of Bad Homburg s? Were theses GOLDSCHMIDTs related
to one of the GOLDSCHMIDT families of Frankfurt or of Wurzburg?

Thanks, and may 2001 bring great genealogy breakthroughs to everyone.

Michael Bernet, New York Mbernet@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen (early 19th century): GUTENSTEIN and GOLDSCHMIDT of Bad Homburg #general

MBernet@...
 

I know there were many old GOLDSCHMIDT families in Frankfurt. Does anyone
know of a GOLDSCHMIDT family connection with Bad Homburg, a suburb only a
few miles to the north of Frankfurt.

My gggf Loeb/Baer GOLDSCHMIDT (b. ca 1800), was a parnas (president) of
the community, a "Hofagent" (contractor) to the Duke of Hesse Homburg and a
son-in-law of Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (b. ca 1770), who was, apparently,
extremely wealthy and influential and was also a parnas and a Hofagent
(three of GUTENSTEIN's children married three Goldschmidt siblings).

Does anyone have any information on these GUTENSTEINs and
GOLDSCHMIDTs of Bad Homburg s? Were theses GOLDSCHMIDTs related
to one of the GOLDSCHMIDT families of Frankfurt or of Wurzburg?

Thanks, and may 2001 bring great genealogy breakthroughs to everyone.

Michael Bernet, New York Mbernet@aol.com


Marshals Soult and Massena: Jewish? #general

R.I. Mateles <rmateles@...>
 

I have seen a suggestion that these Marshals of Napoleon were Jewish or of
Jewish descent. This comes >from a book written by Disraeli about the life
of Lord Bentinck. Does anyone know whether Disraeli was correct, or have
any information about the claim?

Thanks.

Rich Mateles


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Marshals Soult and Massena: Jewish? #general

R.I. Mateles <rmateles@...>
 

I have seen a suggestion that these Marshals of Napoleon were Jewish or of
Jewish descent. This comes >from a book written by Disraeli about the life
of Lord Bentinck. Does anyone know whether Disraeli was correct, or have
any information about the claim?

Thanks.

Rich Mateles


Greencastle #belarus

Richard Streem <rcs9219@...>
 

greencastle@genealogy.f2s.com

Yes, Alex Marko >from Greencastle responds immediately after the site
receives your information. However, anyone researching the city of
Minsk should know that the records there are being restored and any
research will not begin for at least one year. There is hope!

Carol Streem
Cleveland, Ohio

-----------------------
Miriam MARGOLYES wrote:
Someone called Alex MARKO replied very quickly & courteously.
....snip...
-----------------------


Re: Ethical Question, Found Date Discrepancy #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

In genealogy we all find discrepancies. People get younger as they get
older (I myself have been 28 for many years). There are possible
mistakes on every secondary source, and even primary sources have them.

Primary sources are documents made at the time of the event-a birth
record made at the time of the birth for a birth date. Everything else
is secondary. Often we cannot get, or haven't gotten yet, primary
sources for events and have to use secondary ones (we have to know
someones approximate place and date of birth to get a birth certificate,
after all), but we must keep in mind that we do not KNOW.

In addition, over 100 years ago I don't think most people actually knew
when they were born. We are very calendar conscious today, but 100
years or more ago people often had 10 or even 20 kids, maybe half of
them died young, how do you think that people remembered which kid was
born when? We get paid every 2 weeks or whatever and pay the taxman on
April 15 (in the US); In Russia, they paid taxes when someone threatened
them. Hopefully they got paid something at some point. The Hebrew
calendar kept track of holidays, etc.

In addition, if our ancestor was born on the second night of Chanukah
and the date on the tombstone is on the Christian calendar what do you
put? I always say "the ancestor was born the year the cow died-or was
that the baby that died and the ancestor was born the next year." Even
my Western European born, English and Dutch literate, city dwelling
ancestors who may have had a secular calendar in their houses when they
were young didn't know, so what do you expect of someone who lived in
Russia with a Hebrew calendar-and the secular one would be Julian not
Gregorian anyway if they had one. No, no one knew.

So no, don't bother the son and daughter, one date is good as another
for them. They remember their parents, who cares which specific date of
birth. Does it matter that Dad was 86 or 88 when he died? Does it
matter if it was March 3 or April 17? No. Only genealogists care at
all, and we only care because the birth record gives the parents names
and places of birth (hopefully).

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


Belarus SIG #Belarus Greencastle #belarus

Richard Streem <rcs9219@...>
 

greencastle@genealogy.f2s.com

Yes, Alex Marko >from Greencastle responds immediately after the site
receives your information. However, anyone researching the city of
Minsk should know that the records there are being restored and any
research will not begin for at least one year. There is hope!

Carol Streem
Cleveland, Ohio

-----------------------
Miriam MARGOLYES wrote:
Someone called Alex MARKO replied very quickly & courteously.
....snip...
-----------------------


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ethical Question, Found Date Discrepancy #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

In genealogy we all find discrepancies. People get younger as they get
older (I myself have been 28 for many years). There are possible
mistakes on every secondary source, and even primary sources have them.

Primary sources are documents made at the time of the event-a birth
record made at the time of the birth for a birth date. Everything else
is secondary. Often we cannot get, or haven't gotten yet, primary
sources for events and have to use secondary ones (we have to know
someones approximate place and date of birth to get a birth certificate,
after all), but we must keep in mind that we do not KNOW.

In addition, over 100 years ago I don't think most people actually knew
when they were born. We are very calendar conscious today, but 100
years or more ago people often had 10 or even 20 kids, maybe half of
them died young, how do you think that people remembered which kid was
born when? We get paid every 2 weeks or whatever and pay the taxman on
April 15 (in the US); In Russia, they paid taxes when someone threatened
them. Hopefully they got paid something at some point. The Hebrew
calendar kept track of holidays, etc.

In addition, if our ancestor was born on the second night of Chanukah
and the date on the tombstone is on the Christian calendar what do you
put? I always say "the ancestor was born the year the cow died-or was
that the baby that died and the ancestor was born the next year." Even
my Western European born, English and Dutch literate, city dwelling
ancestors who may have had a secular calendar in their houses when they
were young didn't know, so what do you expect of someone who lived in
Russia with a Hebrew calendar-and the secular one would be Julian not
Gregorian anyway if they had one. No, no one knew.

So no, don't bother the son and daughter, one date is good as another
for them. They remember their parents, who cares which specific date of
birth. Does it matter that Dad was 86 or 88 when he died? Does it
matter if it was March 3 or April 17? No. Only genealogists care at
all, and we only care because the birth record gives the parents names
and places of birth (hopefully).

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


DANKBERG, DENKBERG Family #general

Robert Schoenfeld <roberts@...>
 

I found only 6 references in the Yisker Book for Chortkov and am wondering
how to find out more on those people Also I looked in the Jewish Family
names in both Poland and Russia and could not find that name I know the
family came >from Chortkov and was wondering they only got a last name
after the Austrians took over

Bob

e-mail:roberts@liii.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen DANKBERG, DENKBERG Family #general

Robert Schoenfeld <roberts@...>
 

I found only 6 references in the Yisker Book for Chortkov and am wondering
how to find out more on those people Also I looked in the Jewish Family
names in both Poland and Russia and could not find that name I know the
family came >from Chortkov and was wondering they only got a last name
after the Austrians took over

Bob

e-mail:roberts@liii.com


Re: Ethical Questions and Date Discrepancies #general

Cyndee Meystel <cmeys@...>
 

When researching our family, particularly my husband's grandfather and his
9 siblings, birthdates were an issue. Only one person admitted to a date
that could possible be correct (we knew as a fact that the oldest sibling
was born within a range of 2 years, that the youngest sibling was 20 years
younger than the oldest and that they were all born before the year their
father came to America).

In our family book, I listed only the birthdate of the sibiling that had
any likelihood of being correct based ont he above. I listed all other
siblings in age order, without birthdates, and let the readers come to
their own conclusions with the knowledge of those above givens.

Cyndee Meystel
Chicago, IL

NOTICE: The e-mail address is deliberately incorrect. Delete "nospam" from
the e-mail address to reply.
cmeys@nospamearthlink.net

"david fielker" <david@lecture.demon.co.uk> wrote in message

It's not only the dead who have hidden their true ages. When I eventually
tracked down a living cousin,I asked her for her date of birth,explaining
that only genealogists were permitted to asksuch a question of a lady.She
said she would admit to the date on her driving licence.

Later I found her birth record, which gave a date six years earlier!!

However, in deference I put her preferred date in the family book, with a
note about the driving licence story.

David Fielker
London UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ethical Questions and Date Discrepancies #general

Cyndee Meystel <cmeys@...>
 

When researching our family, particularly my husband's grandfather and his
9 siblings, birthdates were an issue. Only one person admitted to a date
that could possible be correct (we knew as a fact that the oldest sibling
was born within a range of 2 years, that the youngest sibling was 20 years
younger than the oldest and that they were all born before the year their
father came to America).

In our family book, I listed only the birthdate of the sibiling that had
any likelihood of being correct based ont he above. I listed all other
siblings in age order, without birthdates, and let the readers come to
their own conclusions with the knowledge of those above givens.

Cyndee Meystel
Chicago, IL

NOTICE: The e-mail address is deliberately incorrect. Delete "nospam" from
the e-mail address to reply.
cmeys@nospamearthlink.net

"david fielker" <david@lecture.demon.co.uk> wrote in message

It's not only the dead who have hidden their true ages. When I eventually
tracked down a living cousin,I asked her for her date of birth,explaining
that only genealogists were permitted to asksuch a question of a lady.She
said she would admit to the date on her driving licence.

Later I found her birth record, which gave a date six years earlier!!

However, in deference I put her preferred date in the family book, with a
note about the driving licence story.

David Fielker
London UK


Rudnitzki/Rudnitzka #general

dorothy rivers <dotvic@...>
 

Dear mishpocha,

I promised my cousin (through marriage) that I would ask you about his
father's home town in Poland. If anyone recognizes the name please let me
know.

Danke-- Sorothy Auerbach Rivers New Mexico, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rudnitzki/Rudnitzka #general

dorothy rivers <dotvic@...>
 

Dear mishpocha,

I promised my cousin (through marriage) that I would ask you about his
father's home town in Poland. If anyone recognizes the name please let me
know.

Danke-- Sorothy Auerbach Rivers New Mexico, USA