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Re: Meaning of "Rav" on headstone #general

mpfreed28315861@...
 

Wakohn@aol.com wrote:
My g'grandmother's headstone indicates that her husband was "Rav"Chaim
and he was a Rabbi. It also indicates that her father was "Rav" Eli.
Can I take it that the use of "Rav" indicates that the person is/was a
Rabbi or is it used sometimes as a term of "honor?"
Rav = rabbi.
But I suspect that on this headstone both terms could stand for
Reb = Mister.
Usually if it did mean rabbi the term would be Harav = the Rabbi.
Certainly that would be the case in the name of your ggm's father.

Murray Freedman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Meaning of "Rav" on headstone #general

mpfreed28315861@...
 

Wakohn@aol.com wrote:
My g'grandmother's headstone indicates that her husband was "Rav"Chaim
and he was a Rabbi. It also indicates that her father was "Rav" Eli.
Can I take it that the use of "Rav" indicates that the person is/was a
Rabbi or is it used sometimes as a term of "honor?"
Rav = rabbi.
But I suspect that on this headstone both terms could stand for
Reb = Mister.
Usually if it did mean rabbi the term would be Harav = the Rabbi.
Certainly that would be the case in the name of your ggm's father.

Murray Freedman


Marriage in Eiselstein #general

Gill Joye <Gilljoye@...>
 

I have a copy of a sworn affadavit which states that CHARLES SOLOMON married
Cesira Marinina MIRANDOLI on 16th August 1859 in Eiselstein,near Rotterdam.
(Their Hebrew names were Saul and Sarah). They normally lived in London and
had married abroad (they already had 3 children) because Cesira converted to
the jewish faith at this time.

I am keen to track down the actual marriage record and wondered if anyone
could help me with a lookup or tell me who to contact. I think that
nowadays Eiselstein is the same place as Ijsselstein.

Gill Joye
Kent


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Marriage in Eiselstein #general

Gill Joye <Gilljoye@...>
 

I have a copy of a sworn affadavit which states that CHARLES SOLOMON married
Cesira Marinina MIRANDOLI on 16th August 1859 in Eiselstein,near Rotterdam.
(Their Hebrew names were Saul and Sarah). They normally lived in London and
had married abroad (they already had 3 children) because Cesira converted to
the jewish faith at this time.

I am keen to track down the actual marriage record and wondered if anyone
could help me with a lookup or tell me who to contact. I think that
nowadays Eiselstein is the same place as Ijsselstein.

Gill Joye
Kent


Re: Does anyone want those documents : from Plock, Drobin, Krakow #general

Lili Susser <susserl@...>
 

I would like to add to this posting I failed to mentioned originally.

I am sorry I did not make it clear that those are copy's of the documents I
received >from the LDS. I asked for my branch which does not even resemble
the names on those certificates. However since I read Polish I was able to
get the information and am offering it to whoever is interested. I can scan
it for you or mail it, but for this I'll need an address.
Sorry if I misled anyone
Lili
Lili Susser

I have the following documents that don't belong to me and if you would
like to have them please write to me.
Lili Susser
Susserl@home.com

All documents are >from Plock, Poland

M year 1836 Lajb GOMBINSKI son of Israel Hazan & Ester Teresa SZTUPCZYK
& Liba BROSTER daughter of Henry

1836 M Mojzesz Aron KALMAN s of Josek & Rachela & Sara Fryda GLIKSON d
of Moyzesz

1836 M Israel RESKI s of Szlama & Sura to Bajla Rajza SZTETIN d of Josek &
Eydel

Births: 1830 Hersz LONDYNSKI s of Zacharjasz & Emilia

Bejla ZYTO d of Lewek & wife >from Winogrod

1828
Nyszka SZYMAN d of Chaim & Marya Ryfka NOFSON

Reysza Poznanski d of David & Chana >from Abraham

Drobin 1828
Pinkus FROST s of Chaim & Szasza DAWIDOWICZ

Abraham RUBINSZTEIN & Liba Bela baby Icek

Krakow
Anna PIASECKA, Samuel STRASBURGER L ALBERHAND
mailto:Susserl@home.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Does anyone want those documents : from Plock, Drobin, Krakow #general

Lili Susser <susserl@...>
 

I would like to add to this posting I failed to mentioned originally.

I am sorry I did not make it clear that those are copy's of the documents I
received >from the LDS. I asked for my branch which does not even resemble
the names on those certificates. However since I read Polish I was able to
get the information and am offering it to whoever is interested. I can scan
it for you or mail it, but for this I'll need an address.
Sorry if I misled anyone
Lili
Lili Susser

I have the following documents that don't belong to me and if you would
like to have them please write to me.
Lili Susser
Susserl@home.com

All documents are >from Plock, Poland

M year 1836 Lajb GOMBINSKI son of Israel Hazan & Ester Teresa SZTUPCZYK
& Liba BROSTER daughter of Henry

1836 M Mojzesz Aron KALMAN s of Josek & Rachela & Sara Fryda GLIKSON d
of Moyzesz

1836 M Israel RESKI s of Szlama & Sura to Bajla Rajza SZTETIN d of Josek &
Eydel

Births: 1830 Hersz LONDYNSKI s of Zacharjasz & Emilia

Bejla ZYTO d of Lewek & wife >from Winogrod

1828
Nyszka SZYMAN d of Chaim & Marya Ryfka NOFSON

Reysza Poznanski d of David & Chana >from Abraham

Drobin 1828
Pinkus FROST s of Chaim & Szasza DAWIDOWICZ

Abraham RUBINSZTEIN & Liba Bela baby Icek

Krakow
Anna PIASECKA, Samuel STRASBURGER L ALBERHAND
mailto:Susserl@home.com


Tree of Yishayahu/Avraham Eber HOLLANDER #general

Sam Shoshan <samshoshan@...>
 

Am trying to find name of father of Yishayahu
HOLLANDER, Who lived in 1800's. He may be a
descendant of Avrohom Eber ROZENBERG.

Please contact me if you possibly are in this tree, at
sshoshan@yahoo.com

Thx

Shmuel Shoshan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Tree of Yishayahu/Avraham Eber HOLLANDER #general

Sam Shoshan <samshoshan@...>
 

Am trying to find name of father of Yishayahu
HOLLANDER, Who lived in 1800's. He may be a
descendant of Avrohom Eber ROZENBERG.

Please contact me if you possibly are in this tree, at
sshoshan@yahoo.com

Thx

Shmuel Shoshan


Transilation Please #general

Arthur B. Schwartz, Jr. <abschwartzjr@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Can someone deciper the meaning of the following:

shin, vet, chet

This is supposed to be my grandmothers family name in Hebrew (so I have
been told - I don't know Hebrew). I would like to know how it translates
because I am finding it difficult to trace her family because the spelling
was changed at Ellis Island, not once but twice! Two different spellings
for different family members - depending on which line they stood in.

Thanks,

Art Schwartz, Jr.
abschwartzjr@qwest.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Transilation Please #general

Arthur B. Schwartz, Jr. <abschwartzjr@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Can someone deciper the meaning of the following:

shin, vet, chet

This is supposed to be my grandmothers family name in Hebrew (so I have
been told - I don't know Hebrew). I would like to know how it translates
because I am finding it difficult to trace her family because the spelling
was changed at Ellis Island, not once but twice! Two different spellings
for different family members - depending on which line they stood in.

Thanks,

Art Schwartz, Jr.
abschwartzjr@qwest.net


Campbell-Craig of London #general

Foxinexile <andrew.fielding@...>
 

I am looking for the CAMPBELL-CRAIGS. Wilfred/Ada/Heather/Betsy

Last I knew they were living in Kingston on Thames, Surrey

Andrew Fielding


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Campbell-Craig of London #general

Foxinexile <andrew.fielding@...>
 

I am looking for the CAMPBELL-CRAIGS. Wilfred/Ada/Heather/Betsy

Last I knew they were living in Kingston on Thames, Surrey

Andrew Fielding


Louis Handel & Regina Morris - marriage certificate #general

Sally Hohensee <hohensees@...>
 

I have a marriage certificate for Louis HANDEL and Regina MORRIS, married in
1915 in the Bronx, New York City. Louis was 27 years old, born in New York
City, parents Jacob HANDEL and Talima (?) WEISS. Regina was 23 years old,
born in Newark, New Jersey, parents Nathan MORRIS and Hilda DOWERICH.

If these are your relatives, please contact me at HohenseeS@hotmail.com and
I will mail it to you. My grandfather was also Louis HANDEL, but not this
one!

Sally Hohensee
Prairie Village, Kansas, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Louis Handel & Regina Morris - marriage certificate #general

Sally Hohensee <hohensees@...>
 

I have a marriage certificate for Louis HANDEL and Regina MORRIS, married in
1915 in the Bronx, New York City. Louis was 27 years old, born in New York
City, parents Jacob HANDEL and Talima (?) WEISS. Regina was 23 years old,
born in Newark, New Jersey, parents Nathan MORRIS and Hilda DOWERICH.

If these are your relatives, please contact me at HohenseeS@hotmail.com and
I will mail it to you. My grandfather was also Louis HANDEL, but not this
one!

Sally Hohensee
Prairie Village, Kansas, USA


Re: Need ideas on naturalizations #general

David Cooper <dcooper@...>
 

Allen,

Try checking voter registration records. In Cleveland, Ohio (Cuyahoga
County) the records give the date, place, and certificate number for
naturalization.

David
Genealogy Utilities & Family Research
Researching: ALLEN,BERZONER,COHEN,COOPER,KUPFERZMIDT,
POSNER (POIZNER), PRITIKIN, STARKMAN
Dachau Camp Entry List, Genealogy Utilities
http://pages.prodigy.net/dcooper000/index.htm

Allan Jordan says...

I am stumped and I am hoping this great community can give me some new
ideas.

I am looking for the naturalization of a family member who was named
Goodman COHN. As best I know he was always called Goodman but on his
tombstone it does tell me his full name was Avraham Goodman.

I have searched the US and NYC census records and I can trace Goodman and
his family >from 1900 to 1905, 1910, 1915, 1920, 1925. Somewhere between
1910 and 1915 he moved >from Manhattan to Brooklyn. Goodman does not show
up in city directories.

I want to find his naturalization records. According to the Census
despite the fact he arrived in the 1880s he is only shown to have
naturalized in 1915. The 1925 NY Census says in the naturalization
column "1915-NY" -- and that's where the mystery begins.

I checked with the NARA records in NYC. I checked with the Manhattan
records. I checked in Brooklyn. Nothing. I mailed away to the
Immigration and Naturalization Service in Washington, DC with all of
the details I have and they just wrote back and said they could not
find it.

Goodman died in the late 1920s, but his wife Jennie lived on in New York
until her death in around 1947.

Now what do I do? Do I assume Goodman never naturalized? Do I assume
the records are lost? Do I give up?

If anyone has had a similar experience, please let me know how you
finally found the records.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com
mailto:aejordan@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Need ideas on naturalizations #general

David Cooper <dcooper@...>
 

Allen,

Try checking voter registration records. In Cleveland, Ohio (Cuyahoga
County) the records give the date, place, and certificate number for
naturalization.

David
Genealogy Utilities & Family Research
Researching: ALLEN,BERZONER,COHEN,COOPER,KUPFERZMIDT,
POSNER (POIZNER), PRITIKIN, STARKMAN
Dachau Camp Entry List, Genealogy Utilities
http://pages.prodigy.net/dcooper000/index.htm

Allan Jordan says...

I am stumped and I am hoping this great community can give me some new
ideas.

I am looking for the naturalization of a family member who was named
Goodman COHN. As best I know he was always called Goodman but on his
tombstone it does tell me his full name was Avraham Goodman.

I have searched the US and NYC census records and I can trace Goodman and
his family >from 1900 to 1905, 1910, 1915, 1920, 1925. Somewhere between
1910 and 1915 he moved >from Manhattan to Brooklyn. Goodman does not show
up in city directories.

I want to find his naturalization records. According to the Census
despite the fact he arrived in the 1880s he is only shown to have
naturalized in 1915. The 1925 NY Census says in the naturalization
column "1915-NY" -- and that's where the mystery begins.

I checked with the NARA records in NYC. I checked with the Manhattan
records. I checked in Brooklyn. Nothing. I mailed away to the
Immigration and Naturalization Service in Washington, DC with all of
the details I have and they just wrote back and said they could not
find it.

Goodman died in the late 1920s, but his wife Jennie lived on in New York
until her death in around 1947.

Now what do I do? Do I assume Goodman never naturalized? Do I assume
the records are lost? Do I give up?

If anyone has had a similar experience, please let me know how you
finally found the records.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com
mailto:aejordan@aol.com


Success story - Please Read.... #general

Marc D. Manson <mdmcousa@...>
 

JewishGen was the means by which someone in the U.S. was able to connect
with someone in France and as a result, in a very short time, connected
with family, ...family they would not have been able to reach in any other
way.

There was a letter >from another person recently expressing thanks to
JewishGen for being the source of information that led to a family
connection. The person then said a donation was being made. I thank that
person for the donation, but if people only support JewishGen _after_ they
receive something >from it, then they just don't get it.

Donations come in all forms ....... donating data and information, whether
it is just your family names (JGFF), a submission to the Family Tree of
the Jewish People (FTJP), transcribing an index >from microfilm, or
volunteering time on any of the JewishGen online or offline projects. But
_money_ is also needed to pay the everyday expenses of maintaining the
vast databases and internet access lines that enable all of us, at the touch
of a button, to go on world-wide explorations >from the comfort of our
homes.

With all that JewishGen offers to the tens of thousands of daily users, why
is it that only 2,173 of us have made a financial donation to make this all
possible?

We all want and need the resources that are made available on JewishGen. We
all know its value -- both to us today, and to our ancestors in the future.
But it will only be here if we support it. No longer can we say "let the
other person do it."

Sometimes we only realize and appreciate the value of something after it is
gone - whether it is a loved one or something that was lost, stolen or
destroyed. Though relatively new, JewishGen has become one of those things
that we have decided to take for granted -- that it is there, and that it
will always be there. But what if we logged on one day and the screen was
blank? What would we do then? Who would we blame then?

*** If Not Us, Who? If Not Now, When? *** ........ sound familiar?

Let _us now_ make a committment to support JewishGen -- *all of us*.
Whether you can make an annual contribution of $25 or $250, make a
contribution. We know that we will ultimately receive much more than we give.

Marc D. Manson
Farmington Hills, Michigan

MAN'SKIJ>MANSKY>MANSON (Volkovysk; Slonim, Belarus) WAGNER (Austria; Ft.
Wayne, IN; Toledo, OH) MAC>MATZ (Skaryszew;Radom; Poland) POMERANTZ
(Brest-Litovsk - Belarus) TURUFF--TUREFF (Russia; New York) BROCK (New York)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Success story - Please Read.... #general

Marc D. Manson <mdmcousa@...>
 

JewishGen was the means by which someone in the U.S. was able to connect
with someone in France and as a result, in a very short time, connected
with family, ...family they would not have been able to reach in any other
way.

There was a letter >from another person recently expressing thanks to
JewishGen for being the source of information that led to a family
connection. The person then said a donation was being made. I thank that
person for the donation, but if people only support JewishGen _after_ they
receive something >from it, then they just don't get it.

Donations come in all forms ....... donating data and information, whether
it is just your family names (JGFF), a submission to the Family Tree of
the Jewish People (FTJP), transcribing an index >from microfilm, or
volunteering time on any of the JewishGen online or offline projects. But
_money_ is also needed to pay the everyday expenses of maintaining the
vast databases and internet access lines that enable all of us, at the touch
of a button, to go on world-wide explorations >from the comfort of our
homes.

With all that JewishGen offers to the tens of thousands of daily users, why
is it that only 2,173 of us have made a financial donation to make this all
possible?

We all want and need the resources that are made available on JewishGen. We
all know its value -- both to us today, and to our ancestors in the future.
But it will only be here if we support it. No longer can we say "let the
other person do it."

Sometimes we only realize and appreciate the value of something after it is
gone - whether it is a loved one or something that was lost, stolen or
destroyed. Though relatively new, JewishGen has become one of those things
that we have decided to take for granted -- that it is there, and that it
will always be there. But what if we logged on one day and the screen was
blank? What would we do then? Who would we blame then?

*** If Not Us, Who? If Not Now, When? *** ........ sound familiar?

Let _us now_ make a committment to support JewishGen -- *all of us*.
Whether you can make an annual contribution of $25 or $250, make a
contribution. We know that we will ultimately receive much more than we give.

Marc D. Manson
Farmington Hills, Michigan

MAN'SKIJ>MANSKY>MANSON (Volkovysk; Slonim, Belarus) WAGNER (Austria; Ft.
Wayne, IN; Toledo, OH) MAC>MATZ (Skaryszew;Radom; Poland) POMERANTZ
(Brest-Litovsk - Belarus) TURUFF--TUREFF (Russia; New York) BROCK (New York)


Re: Need help identifying a grandfather #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

I would say that your document 2) is probably not your grandfather.
David surname Abraham married Ryfka Marya Flaks. Your grandfather, you
say, was David Rubinstein. I would say that Lajb Zalman Flaks was
probably related to Zelman Matthew Flaks-they were both named after
Zalmen but Lajb's Father was probably Zalman, whereas Zelman's was
probably Matthew. Probably, probably, probably-anything is possible.

However, have you checked at home? If David came to the US and died
here, his tombstone, if it is in Hebrew, or other Jewish sources would
identify his father's name. He could be David ben Abraham sometimes
known as Rubinstein sometimes known by his patronymic David Abraham.

You also have a date problem You say David was born 1885-60. I hope
you mean 1855-60 otherwise his wife was 35 years older than he was.

The birth certificates don't give the dates or in-law names for
David-how sure are you of them.

Were there any other brothers and sisters of David's who came to the
US-you could get the information >from their death certificates as a
check?

So I think you are close but keep looking. You have the family but
probably not the right person. Remember also that all marriages like
all births and all deaths were not recorded. I have birth records for 6
kids of my great great great uncle with 3 different wife's names but no
death records and only the third marriage was recorded.

Good luck.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Need help identifying a grandfather #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

I would say that your document 2) is probably not your grandfather.
David surname Abraham married Ryfka Marya Flaks. Your grandfather, you
say, was David Rubinstein. I would say that Lajb Zalman Flaks was
probably related to Zelman Matthew Flaks-they were both named after
Zalmen but Lajb's Father was probably Zalman, whereas Zelman's was
probably Matthew. Probably, probably, probably-anything is possible.

However, have you checked at home? If David came to the US and died
here, his tombstone, if it is in Hebrew, or other Jewish sources would
identify his father's name. He could be David ben Abraham sometimes
known as Rubinstein sometimes known by his patronymic David Abraham.

You also have a date problem You say David was born 1885-60. I hope
you mean 1855-60 otherwise his wife was 35 years older than he was.

The birth certificates don't give the dates or in-law names for
David-how sure are you of them.

Were there any other brothers and sisters of David's who came to the
US-you could get the information >from their death certificates as a
check?

So I think you are close but keep looking. You have the family but
probably not the right person. Remember also that all marriages like
all births and all deaths were not recorded. I have birth records for 6
kids of my great great great uncle with 3 different wife's names but no
death records and only the third marriage was recorded.

Good luck.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY